Board 8 > Any incels here?

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Wanglicious posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

To be Darkcel, is to know that there is no light in the Tunnel of Life, there is only darkness. and as Darkcels, we tame the darkness, and forge our own destiny among the endless nothingness, we create a future, we, are architects of destiny itself.
We Darkcels, are born from that darkness at its worse, the darkness was not kind to us, but we do not sorrow or complain about the past, because our suffering IS what turned us into the transcendent beings that we are today.

man, the plot to Kingdom Hearts 4 looks pretty intense.

Beat me to it, damn!
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mnkboy907 posted...

I did like how the grammar just got worse and worse as it went on.

It was like reading those sentences where letters in words are scrambled other than the first and last
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NFUN posted...

What the hell are "moids"?

femoids -> females -> women
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Personally, Im of the opinion that the incels claims about dating apps are unfounded. If you bring literally anything to the table and arent utterly demeaning, degrading, and treat women as actual people then you will do fine on dating apps.

Instead of acknowledging that they are the problem (likely because they cant even pretend to be a decent person for five minutes), incels blame women, feminists, Chads, or God knows what for their issues. Im sure that their standards for women they would be interested in dating are way above anything reasonable too, which cant help.

I and the majority of guys I know around my age (22-25) use Tinder + other dating apps without any issues. I dont know any guys, regardless of attractiveness, height/weight, income, or interests that literally cant succeed on a dating app.

All apps suck
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Not Final Fantasy Record Keeper
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Its tolerable
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relevant

https://twitter.com/oliviabradley88/status/1148958211531268099
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NFUN posted...

relevant

https://twitter.com/oliviabradley88/status/1148958211531268099

I had to stop after 10 seconds, way too cringe
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NFUN posted...

relevant

https://twitter.com/oliviabradley88/status/1148958211531268099

An incel caught in the wild!
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Hannyabal posted...

I dont know any guys, regardless of attractiveness, height/weight, income, or interests that literally cant succeed on a dating app.

I can't cuz I'm not extroverted enough
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Waluigi1 posted...

NFUN posted...

relevant

https://twitter.com/oliviabradley88/status/1148958211531268099

An incel caught in the wild!

Too small, throw it back.
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mnkboy907 posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

NFUN posted...

relevant

https://twitter.com/oliviabradley88/status/1148958211531268099

An incel caught in the wild!

Too small, throw it back.

This is easily my favorite incel-related topic ever.
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Theres so much wrong with that guy, you dont need to insult his height
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Hannyabal posted...

Personally, Im of the opinion that the incels claims about dating apps are unfounded. If you bring literally anything to the table and arent utterly demeaning, degrading, and treat women as actual people then you will do fine on dating apps.

Instead of acknowledging that they are the problem (likely because they cant even pretend to be a decent person for five minutes), incels blame women, feminists, Chads, or God knows what for their issues. Im sure that their standards for women they would be interested in dating are way above anything reasonable too, which cant help.

I and the majority of guys I know around my age (22-25) use Tinder + other dating apps without any issues. I dont know any guys, regardless of attractiveness, height/weight, income, or interests that literally cant succeed on a dating app.

I used eHarmony a while back. I spoke with a few women, but never got past a few emails. Im not special, so I figure at least a few of them are just socially awkward like me.

Uglyface2 posted...

Hannyabal posted...

Personally, Im of the opinion that the incels claims about dating apps are unfounded. If you bring literally anything to the table and arent utterly demeaning, degrading, and treat women as actual people then you will do fine on dating apps.

Instead of acknowledging that they are the problem (likely because they cant even pretend to be a decent person for five minutes), incels blame women, feminists, Chads, or God knows what for their issues. Im sure that their standards for women they would be interested in dating are way above anything reasonable too, which cant help.

I and the majority of guys I know around my age (22-25) use Tinder + other dating apps without any issues. I dont know any guys, regardless of attractiveness, height/weight, income, or interests that literally cant succeed on a dating app.

I used eHarmony a while back. I spoke with a few women, but never got past a few emails. Im not special, so I figure at least a few of them are just socially awkward like me.

No one uses that shit

Just make an okcupid account, fill out the prompts and put up good photos. I don't do selfies so most are nice pictures from functions or other shit like that.
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I tried to do eharmony back in the day and it wouldn't let me because it didn't have anybody for me

Wasn't the best for my self esteem
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foolm0r0n posted...

Hannyabal posted...

I dont know any guys, regardless of attractiveness, height/weight, income, or interests that literally cant succeed on a dating app.

I can't cuz I'm not extroverted enough

Well I cant necessarily speak to your exact situation since Im not privy to it, but in general I dont think the logic tracks here. If youre looking to meet another introvert (or even someone who wants to date an introvert), a dating app would contain more introverts than any form of in-person dating, almost by definition.

Extroverted people might not need to use dating apps as they can meet and date people through IRL social avenues (friends, bars, whatever). Introverted people cant really do that and so they would prefer to use a dating app where they dont have to really put themselves out there socially.

Empirically speaking, Im mostly introverted (with some extroverted tendencies) and Ive met many introverted as well as extroverted girls on Tinder/Hinge/Bumble/etc. Maybe Im just a lot younger and so its different because of that? Im not really familiar with any of the browser based dating sites like OKC, PoF, or paid ones like eHarmony. If youre under the age of 30 though, you should do fine on Tinder/Hinge/Bumble as long as you keep reasonable standards.

Tinder/Dating apps also depend a lot on your area. If you're more rural, they're a fucking nightmare.

But for people that live in big cities it's a lot easier.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Tinder/Dating apps also depend a lot on your area. If you're more rural, they're a fucking nightmare.

But for people that live in big cities it's a lot easier.

Thats definitely fair and a great point. When I was in college (couple years ago), setting the match radius to anything above a few miles was definitely a drastic change, and Im sure the same would be the case if I set my range to anything more than ~15 miles currently (roughly the size of the metro area I live in).

Its definitely not for everyone or even possible for everyone, but there are definitely huge social/dating merits to living in even a midsized city. Most of what I have to say on this subject might not even be relevant to anyone outside of a bigger city or over the age of 30 - not sure what the demographics here look like. I used to browse/lurk this board when I was like 15 or 16 but never really posted much and dont really remember too much about the people here.

Isnt that what FarmersOnly.com is for?
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I had to Google what incel means...

"Incels are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one"

How does this work? It seems like people use the term but dont put forth an honest effort to possibly identify why no one would date them and try a little self improvement?

The ones in the subculture dont believe in self-improvement. They feel that society is to blame and that women need to be shamed at any opportunity
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Hannyabal posted...

Thats definitely fair and a great point. When I was in college (couple years ago), setting the match radius to anything above a few miles was definitely a drastic change, and Im sure the same would be the case if I set my range to anything more than ~15 miles currently (roughly the size of the metro area I live in).

Its definitely not for everyone or even possible for everyone, but there are definitely huge social/dating merits to living in even a midsized city. Most of what I have to say on this subject might not even be relevant to anyone outside of a bigger city or over the age of 30 - not sure what the demographics here look like. I used to browse/lurk this board when I was like 15 or 16 but never really posted much and dont really remember too much about the people here.

Right. There's definitely a disconnect that guys who don't live in rural areas have when it comes to Tinder. I usually see the "Bro literally just logon and meet girls it's simple" mindset from city guys and I'm like pump the brakes guy it ain't always that easy.
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Jakyl25 posted...

The ones in the subculture dont believe in self-improvement. They feel that society is to blame and that women need to be shamed at any opportunity

Okay... well theres over 3 billion women on the planet so if you can't find a single one interested in you maybe self improvement is worth a thought? I kinda feel like some of them dont actually want a partner. Its easier to just hate on people for not finding you desirable then to do a little self reflection.

I dunno

Im trying to improve myself. Im losing weight, and Im moving out of my parents house. Im still going to be a socially awkward, probably creepy guy at the end of this. I dont blame women, its just how things turned out.

ExThaNemesis posted...

Right. There's definitely a disconnect that guys who don't live in rural areas have when it comes to Tinder. I usually see the "Bro literally just logon and meet girls it's simple" mindset from city guys and I'm like pump the brakes guy it ain't always that easy.

In a sense thats a trade-off that youve willingly made though. Giving up on the social advantages of a city for the salary, cost of living, etc. or even less desirable job prospects of rural areas. (But obviously not everyone has the means or the opportunities to live in a city even if they want to).

You honestly couldnt pay me to live in a rural area though so the only real dating advice I have for anyone living there is just lol just move to the city then which isnt particularly constructive or helpful.

Why did the incel sue Wayfair?

Because they claimed to have just what he needs but they dont sell girlfriends.
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Hannyabal posted...

If youre looking to meet another introvert (or even someone who wants to date an introvert), a dating app would contain more introverts than any form of in-person dating, almost by definition.

First of all, I definitely don't want to date an introvert, I have enough of that myself already.

But the apps are absolutely not full of introverted people at all. The apps are about volume and persistence. They are about digging through hundreds of profiles and playing the intro game with each one. It's a ton of effort and it requires a lot of social energy (extroversion). It's the worst part of meeting new people, repeated over and over in quick succession.

The match and okcupid type of sites solve that by matching you up automatically. That skips the worst part of the process for introverts, so I imagine those sites have a lot of introverts (which is also why I have 0 interest in them).

The analogy is like shopping online. If you're looking for an HDMI cable IRL, you just get the one the store has. But if you're looking online, there's dozens, hundreds you have to sift through and compare for you to find the best one. It gets way more intense than it needs to be, but it is addictive for us to minmax so we keep doing it. That's what the dating apps do.

The apps like to pretend they are like they are bars/clubs except online, but they're really not. They are the manic information-dense 50-tabs-at-once optimization that makes the internet so draining, except with real people that you have to actually meet IRL at the end of the day.

Bars/clubs are really a lot more like the matching sites, where they give you a place to go and skip a lot of the introduction stuff simply by existing as yourself in that space. Alcohol doesn't hurt either. It's really the best place for introversion in my experience, but I understand if people are intimidated by the concept.
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Uglyface2 posted...

Im trying to improve myself. Im losing weight, and Im moving out of my parents house. Im still going to be a socially awkward, probably creepy guy at the end of this. I dont blame women, its just how things turned out.

I dont know how old you are so my advice may or may not be relevant, but I really think your self-awareness is key. If youre honest about yourself, that really goes a long way. You can admit to people that you have some social anxiety and generally people will be pretty understanding or even accommodating to that. If youre honest with others about yourself and about your intentions with them (friendship, romantic relationships, casual dating, whatever it may be), then thats really all you can ask for. Eventually you will have some success.

foolm0r0n posted...

Hannyabal posted...

If youre looking to meet another introvert (or even someone who wants to date an introvert), a dating app would contain more introverts than any form of in-person dating, almost by definition.

First of all, I definitely don't want to date an introvert, I have enough of that myself already.

But the apps are absolutely not full of introverted people at all. The apps are about volume and persistence. They are about digging through hundreds of profiles and playing the intro game with each one. It's a ton of effort and it requires a lot of social energy (extroversion). It's the worst part of meeting new people, repeated over and over in quick succession.

The match and okcupid type of sites solve that by matching you up automatically. That skips the worst part of the process for introverts, so I imagine those sites have a lot of introverts (which is also why I have 0 interest in them).

The analogy is like shopping online. If you're looking for an HDMI cable IRL, you just get the one the store has. But if you're looking online, there's dozens, hundreds you have to sift through and compare for you to find the best one. It gets way more intense than it needs to be, but it is addictive for us to minmax so we keep doing it. That's what the dating apps do.

The apps like to pretend they are like they are bars/clubs except online, but they're really not. They are the manic information-dense 50-tabs-at-once optimization that makes the internet so draining, except with real people that you have to actually meet IRL at the end of the day.

Bars/clubs are really a lot more like the matching sites, where they give you a place to go and skip a lot of the introduction stuff simply by existing as yourself in that space. Alcohol doesn't hurt either. It's really the best place for introversion in my experience, but I understand if people are intimidated by the concept.

I certainly dont disagree with your online shopping argument and I definitely waver between deleting the apps and coming back to them (aka theyve got me addicted to some degree).

On the other hand, I think I just frame dating apps differently. Lets run with this online shopping analogy. In your analogy, you would find online shopping for an HDMI cable frustrating because theres a full page of information on every cable and you dont want to have to deal with reading through all the info.

If I were shopping for an HDMI cable, I would go in knowing that I want, say, a 3 foot cable HDMI cable. So I can look on Amazon where theres hundreds and hundreds of HDMI cables and just automatically throw out all the 1 foot, 6 foot, 10 foot cables because theyre not the type I want. I dont have to look further than the picture and the title to know that its not what Im looking for.

I genuinely disagree with you in your assessment that this process is super draining. Swiping right or left isnt intended to be a comprehensive evaluation of this person. Just swipe on your gut reaction.

Once I actually match with someone, then Ill take a look at their bio. At that point Ill actually make a judgement of whether I want to message them or not. Im not really interested in having the same oh where do you work? Whered you go to school, etc conversation a million times, so i try and pick out something about them that I actually am interested in learning more about. at this point, that conversation should feel natural and you should just bail if it doesnt

Besides, if you want to meet and date extroverted people, youre going to have to put in some level of extroversion, whether thats sitting at a bar or on an app. Its unreasonable to expect not to have to. Otherwise youre just living passively, waiting on someone to engage with you.

@RPGlord95 @Whiskey_Nick

I think uglyface2 needs the brojo hes a better candidate than luster for sure
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Simply swiping on OKC just doesn't really cut it. You can't see messages without a mutual match now. So to get to the front of the queue to see if she (or he) "likes" you you need to send a message. And the more attractive the person is, the less likely they are actively swiping anyway: they are talking to people they already matched, once that fizzles out they'll move on or whatever.

I absolutely agree with foolmo on the effort using as an introvert being forced to do extroverted things. Especially with how the site works now. The rest, well, I didn't bother to read. Coming up with at the very least mediocre intros for the 10 profiles you found at least decent or attractive or whatever your criteria is pretty draining. For me at least. If I sent crappy messages I'd never get a reply, so the effort to get at least 1 in 10 back requires the effort.
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greengravy294 posted...

Simply swiping on OKC just doesn't really cut it. You can't see messages without a mutual match now. So to get to the front of the queue to see if she (or he) "likes" you you need to send a message. And the more attractive the person is, the less likely they are actively swiping anyway: they are talking to people they already matched, once that fizzles out they'll move on or whatever.

You both may be correct as far as OKC and other browser based sites go; I havent used them and Im not really familiar with them. Im really only speaking to apps like Tinder, Hinge, Bumble where you can match with no message. Apologies that I wasnt clear about that.

i burned down the Brojo
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/cbsatd/part_3_misogynistic_minimale_from_bagel_boss/

I may be late with this, but there are other vids of the bagel store guy from a couple days ago - he's a psychopath.
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He has clearly just taken the blackpill and knows the truth about femoids
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Hannyabal posted...

At that point Ill actually make a judgement of whether I want to message them or not. Im not really interested in having the same oh where do you work? Whered you go to school, etc conversation a million times, so i try and pick out something about them that I actually am interested in learning more about. at this point, that conversation should feel natural and you should just bail if it doesnt

This is clearly the part that is draining. Specifically, coming up with a line of conversation that I think would be interesting, and continually putting energy into it.

The main flaw is that when you try to have a convo with an interesting girl on an app, you're just a slice of her attention. Whether it's 2, 5, or 100 people, you have to be way louder and extroverted to make up for the lack of direct connection. In person, I have no problem making small talk with an interesting girl. Talking about what school we went to, jobs, or even the color of the floor tiles or whatever. It's not an interview (or an online product comparison to use my analogy) so I don't really care what we talk about. I just want that back and forth reverberation of energy that signifies the "spark" or "click" of romance. This is absolutely impossible on an app, by design.

Yes you need some extroversion at a bar, but you just need to spend a tiny bit to know if the other person is going to reciprocate and amplify the energy, otherwise you move on. On the app, you need to beat 100 other people's energy before even getting a chance to see what the other person is about. Hyper extroverts naturally clean up in that environment.
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Another thing that is interesting about that is that by the time you have your first meeting, your first date, there's already so much weight put on it due to the effort you have invested before that point. Sure it's just a few messages online etc, but it's compounded.

For example, let's say you spend 2 weeks swiping and messaging and each failed at various points. Then you finally get a decent situation and go on a first date. It's not just the 10 messages back and forth that are weighing on that date, it's the whole 2 weeks you spent failing too. This is due to the depersonalized/mechanical/online design of the apps. I'm thinking of someone I matched with who I hung out with WAY more than I should've, just because it felt like a waste if I didn't, since I spent all that time and effort. I was soooo tired of her so quickly, and it wasn't her fault at all.

So what could've been just a light drink or two at a bar with a possibly interesting person, turns into a culmination of 2 weeks of intense "online shopping", and the expectations are all wrecked. The #1 advice for dating is to make the first date comfortable and light, and the apps prevent that.

Now if you're at a bar and meet someone randomly and just have a drink right there, there's literally no expectation. You can leave after 5 minutes or 3 hours depending on how you feel. It's way more natural because it's always about connecting with people, not evaluating/comparing them.

That said, this is only if you were going to the bar/club already and just happen to randomly meet people (which is what introverts should do FYI). If you go there to "hunt" then it quickly becomes like tinder, but offline. Like a job or something. But if that's the only way you know how to go out anyways... I guess the apps are a solid upgrade.
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Agreed, in person is way easier than online for me, or at least it was the last time I was dating nearly four years ago. Online, every guy has jokes, stories, rehearsed conversations and ways to keep em going. It's gotta be so difficult to separate yourself when the average girl is probably juggling 10x the average number of conversations the average guy is.

If you can tell a decent enough story and make a girl laugh IRL, you are very likely better suited for in-person dating and can skip the online stuff.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Hannyabal posted...

At that point Ill actually make a judgement of whether I want to message them or not. Im not really interested in having the same oh where do you work? Whered you go to school, etc conversation a million times, so i try and pick out something about them that I actually am interested in learning more about. at this point, that conversation should feel natural and you should just bail if it doesnt

This is clearly the part that is draining. Specifically, coming up with a line of conversation that I think would be interesting, and continually putting energy into it.

The main flaw is that when you try to have a convo with an interesting girl on an app, you're just a slice of her attention. Whether it's 2, 5, or 100 people, you have to be way louder and extroverted to make up for the lack of direct connection. In person, I have no problem making small talk with an interesting girl. Talking about what school we went to, jobs, or even the color of the floor tiles or whatever. It's not an interview (or an online product comparison to use my analogy) so I don't really care what we talk about. I just want that back and forth reverberation of energy that signifies the "spark" or "click" of romance. This is absolutely impossible on an app, by design.

Yes you need some extroversion at a bar, but you just need to spend a tiny bit to know if the other person is going to reciprocate and amplify the energy, otherwise you move on. On the app, you need to beat 100 other people's energy before even getting a chance to see what the other person is about. Hyper extroverts naturally clean up in that environment.

I still tend to disagree. Aside from a small portion of women who will swipe right on almost everyone and rack up hundreds and hundreds of matches a week, its really only your pictures/bio that has to beat 100 other people (at least for apps where you have to mutually swipe each other before you can have a conversation, Im sure its different when anyone can message you without matching). Youve essentially already beaten the odds at that point.

After sending 1-2 messages you should be able to tell if shes willing to engage or reciprocate or energy, and if not then you move on, same as in a bar. And its not impossible to tell if theres any spark at all. Ive been able to call my shot with regard to seeing a girl off of tinder for multiple dates within the first couple messages many times. It could just be that I have a well-defined type, but I think the odds on that are far better than just trying to meet random people at bars.

It might take more effort, depending on your personality (though i would maintain that trying to meet women IRL through any method other than having mutual friends is far more exhausting), but the trade-off is that theres so much less random chance. I can control who I match with on tinder and cater that toward the type of person Im interested in but theres no guarantee whatsoever that anyone youre interested in will be at the bar/club/library/whatever. Plus, you know that (almost) everyone on a dating app is actually single.

foolm0r0n posted...

Another thing that is interesting about that is that by the time you have your first meeting, your first date, there's already so much weight put on it due to the effort you have invested before that point. Sure it's just a few messages online etc, but it's compounded.

For example, let's say you spend 2 weeks swiping and messaging and each failed at various points. Then you finally get a decent situation and go on a first date. It's not just the 10 messages back and forth that are weighing on that date, it's the whole 2 weeks you spent failing too. This is due to the depersonalized/mechanical/online design of the apps. I'm thinking of someone I matched with who I hung out with WAY more than I should've, just because it felt like a waste if I didn't, since I spent all that time and effort. I was soooo tired of her so quickly, and it wasn't her fault at all.

My personal rule is that you have 7 days from the time you matched to meet in person. If you havent met them in 7 days, its not going to work out. Its simply unsustainable to talk for longer than that and not meet them in person.

There's another thing I want to point out on the side of dating apps and incels. I noticed as I was swiping, I was feeling disgust/anger for perfectly normal women based on innocuous things in their profile. The moment I deleted hinge was when I was scrolling through a beautiful girl's profile, who had similar interests, saw that she liked settlers of catan and, with literal distain, thought "Ugh catan sucks" and swiped left (or whatever the hinge version of turning her down was)

It reminded me of a recent study I heard about where playing games without voice chat increases our aggression when we play online, because we assume the worst, and we're not having a human experience with the other person.

I want to put this out there, because it's easy to blame incels but we have to consider there's multiple tech companies out there literally playing/experimenting with their millions of users psyche for their own profit.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

The moment I deleted hinge was when I was scrolling through a beautiful girl's profile, who had similar interests, saw that she liked settlers of catan and, with literal distain, thought "Ugh catan sucks" and swiped left (or whatever the hinge version of turning her down was)

Wtf lol.

Anyway, so take all these issues and then multiply them by like 10 for us gay guys. ._.

Like I live in a fairly medium to small town and my selection of guys is abysmally small. I've basically talked or seen every available guy in my area and they all suck. I gotta go out like 50+ miles to find good ones to talk to but then that's so far it's hard to really start a relationship.
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Waluigi1 posted...

I've basically talked or seen every available guy in my area and they all suck.

Isn't that a good thing?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

I've basically talked or seen every available guy in my area and they all suck.

Isn't that a good thing?

Haha nice one.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

There's another thing I want to point out on the side of dating apps and incels. I noticed as I was swiping, I was feeling disgust/anger for perfectly normal women based on innocuous things in their profile. The moment I deleted hinge was when I was scrolling through a beautiful girl's profile, who had similar interests, saw that she liked settlers of catan and, with literal distain, thought "Ugh catan sucks" and swiped left (or whatever the hinge version of turning her down was)

It reminded me of a recent study I heard about where playing games without voice chat increases our aggression when we play online, because we assume the worst, and we're not having a human experience with the other person.

I want to put this out there, because it's easy to blame incels but we have to consider there's multiple tech companies out there literally playing/experimenting with their millions of users psyche for their own profit.

The only way to get better is to admit the problem Santncel
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SantaRPidgey posted...

There's another thing I want to point out on the side of dating apps and incels. I noticed as I was swiping, I was feeling disgust/anger for perfectly normal women based on innocuous things in their profile. The moment I deleted hinge was when I was scrolling through a beautiful girl's profile, who had similar interests, saw that she liked settlers of catan and, with literal distain, thought "Ugh catan sucks" and swiped left (or whatever the hinge version of turning her down was)

It reminded me of a recent study I heard about where playing games without voice chat increases our aggression when we play online, because we assume the worst, and we're not having a human experience with the other person.

I want to put this out there, because it's easy to blame incels but we have to consider there's multiple tech companies out there literally playing/experimenting with their millions of users psyche for their own profit.

To play devils advocate, would you feel the same disdain if a guy (say, a new male coworker) was discussing his interests at lunch and mentioned he likes video games, board games, etc. and said he loves Catan specifically?

Literally every corporation in the entire world is attempting to play with your psyche for profit. But its also not profitable for them to intentionally manipulate you to feelings of disgust towards women using the app too - thats the opposite of what theyre trying to manipulate you towards!

You cant blame your attitude towards women on dating app companies (especially when it doesnt even make logical sense for them to manipulate you that way). Thats exactly what the incel subculture does - they pretend that they have no agency and that feminism/Chads/liberals/the government/whatever is holding them back and thats the only reason that they cant succeed.

Hannyabal posted...

but the trade-off is that theres so much less random chance

That's where the preference comes in probably. I like to think I have a type but in practice I really don't at all. I could describe my ideal type right now, but every girl I've had success with is not that. So I actually want the randomness of life to match me with a girl that I wouldn't pick myself.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

but we have to consider there's multiple tech companies out there literally playing/experimenting with their millions of users psyche for their own profit.

Again, you're talking about something that's completely off from what incels are. You are apologizing for rage and harassment and assault by comparing it to a left swipe.
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