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TheCodeisBosco
07/08/19 5:39:51 PM
#151:


ZenOfThunder posted...
this thread is still going huh

can someone tl;dr this topic and tell me if we actually have incels on here


I don't think I've seen anyone seriously identify as an incel on Board 8, whether ITT or otherwise.
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ZenOfThunder
07/08/19 5:40:50 PM
#152:


that's good to know thanks Bosco!! <3
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Lopen
07/08/19 5:41:30 PM
#153:


Corrik7 posted...
I mean, you guys could at least differentiate it with 2nd Wave Incel or something.

Gatarix's thinking of what it meant is basically exactly with how it was formed and coined.


Unless we all took a time machine to the beginning of incel culture before it meant what it does now I don't see the need to make that distinction. Should be clear from context of the discussion taking place in present day what it means.
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Jakyl25
07/08/19 5:45:18 PM
#154:


TheRock1525 posted...
It's a mixture of things. Mostly I think it stems from the fact that ugly dudes can't money their way into better looking women like they used to and so now they're angry at the world.


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"The wall" aka the strongest cope is nothing but a carrot on a stick. Unattractive young men get told to focus on studying and finding a high paying job in order to betabuxx for an used up roastie later in life. This is supposed to happen the moment women hit "the wall". But they never hit "the wall". Women attract men even in their 50s and 60s. It's true that the biological clock is ticking but that doesn't matter thanks to freezing eggs and other tools.

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Peace___Frog
07/08/19 5:47:02 PM
#155:


Corrik asking us to change our usage of a term, based on its generally understood meaning, is fucking gold.

Tell me more about how the world should revolve around you and how language shouldn't evolve over time.
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Jakyl25
07/08/19 5:47:10 PM
#156:


Lopen posted...
Unless we all took a time machine to the beginning of incel culture before it meant what it does now


The Wiki Glossary says these people are called protocels
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 5:48:26 PM
#157:


The deal with Incels, is that, yes we are put in a situation unlike any before in history, so no one knows how to get a partner, what an ideal partner should look like, what the rules are for engaging a potential mate etc.

In a sense, they're right to perceive that the situation they're put in is not really their fault. You can throw a dart at a board of concepts and find fault wherever it lands, soceity, feminism, big business, multiculturalism, the sugar industry, bpa in water bottles, all these things have shaped a society where men have a record harder time finding a worthy partner.

You can almost look at it as a business that sells a product that not many people are interested in anymore. When that happens what can that business do? It can still offer the same product and hope it's market came back, it can shift its demographic, it can change its marketing etc.

Incels are basically people who are petitioning the government for subsidies so they can continue operating their business the same as always without fearing the loss of profit (mad poon) They're not wrong in perceiving the problem but their solution is selfish and simple-minded.
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TheCodeisBosco
07/08/19 5:48:48 PM
#158:


ZenOfThunder posted...
that's good to know thanks Bosco!! <3


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Eddv
07/08/19 5:49:46 PM
#159:


SantaRPidgey posted...
The deal with Incels, is that, yes we are put in a situation unlike any before in history, so no one knows how to get a partner, what an ideal partner should look like, what the rules are for engaging a potential mate etc.


Uh huh.
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Metal_DK
07/08/19 5:53:10 PM
#160:


The vast majority of this issue is social media. Most incels are dudes who spent all of 2007 and beyond on the fucking net all day and are now bitter tons of people passed them by. With that said i do think most people arent really for ending gender roles much (if at all- both men and women), so i do reserve some criticism towards blank slate feminism.

Sadly idiots think it means harass leslie jones because they made some ghostbuster movie with women in it.
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CeraSeptem
07/08/19 5:54:24 PM
#161:


I'm so glad no one engaged Ulti's non sequiters. See, people, we can learn.

Like all words, it's a matter a description not prescription. Incel means the subcommunity of angry bois. Not just a person who isn't getting laid at a particular moment in time. Obviously, people are free to use it however they'd like but it's going to cause confusion. Like using "literally" for "figuratively."

But if they're persistent enough maybe it'll change. Like using "literally" for "figuratively."
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Jakyl25
07/08/19 5:55:02 PM
#162:


SantaRPidgey posted...

Incels are basically people who are petitioning the government for subsidies so they can continue operating their business the same as always without fearing the loss of profit (mad poon) They're not wrong in perceiving the problem but their solution is selfish and simple-minded.


Their ideological term for this is Rodger-Marxism, co-named for the guy who tried to shoot up a sorority
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Corrik7
07/08/19 6:03:07 PM
#163:


Lopen posted...
Corrik7 posted...
I mean, you guys could at least differentiate it with 2nd Wave Incel or something.

Gatarix's thinking of what it meant is basically exactly with how it was formed and coined.


Unless we all took a time machine to the beginning of incel culture before it meant what it does now I don't see the need to make that distinction. Should be clear from context of the discussion taking place in present day what it means.

Then you can't be upset when people know what the term is from it's actual conception. It's not on me to know you are only allowing it's implementation on a single forum subset of it!
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Nrrr
07/08/19 6:03:55 PM
#164:


Kenri posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
'there's no personal solution to systemic dating problems for men and only societal hardship (such as mass poverty) can solve men's systemic dating issues'


Basically being blackpilled means that you understand that self-improvement to find sexual success is a lie and the only way for incels to become sexually active is in a dystopic society where women have lost all leverage in the sexual marketplace

They say its supported by science!

This is tantalizingly close to them understanding feminism.


Right, it is kind of like the socialist/capitalist divide. One is like ah I see so the imbalance of power is causing things to be unfair, creating exploitation, and that is bad. The other says ah the imbalance of power is the only thing that lets privileged dweebs get whatever they want at the expense of others,and I'm one of those, or want to be. They just blatantly see the problem as "women are too free to choose not to fuck us now", which is why it's explicitly a right wing movement. The problem they see is the situation isn't as exploitable as it used to be, and needs to be less fair.

And to all the people calling antifa a terrorist cell, they have never killed anyone and are a totally decentralized movement. They aren't organized. The Incel cult had an actual place they all congregated, and they have killed a significant number of women, not to mention the men who killed themselves as a result of the brainwashing. It's a laughable comparison.
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Lopen
07/08/19 6:07:38 PM
#165:


Corrik7 posted...
It's not on me to know you are only allowing it's implementation on a single forum subset of it!


I'm just telling you how it's used these days. Really do not care about the history lesson.
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Corrik7
07/08/19 6:09:01 PM
#166:


Lopen posted...
Corrik7 posted...
It's not on me to know you are only allowing it's implementation on a single forum subset of it!


I'm just telling you how it's used these days. Really do not care about the history lesson.

That's not a good viewpoint, Lopen.... = /
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 6:09:07 PM
#167:


Eddv posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
The deal with Incels, is that, yes we are put in a situation unlike any before in history, so no one knows how to get a partner, what an ideal partner should look like, what the rules are for engaging a potential mate etc.


Uh huh.


For the record, I'm using we as in "We as a society" I'm not an incel by any definition, though I guess if I get aroused later and no ones around I'll switch to Corrik's definition.
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Corrik7
07/08/19 6:11:05 PM
#168:


Like, I assumed in a topic of "Any incels here?" That it was intended as the actual term. Not is there any anti-women misogynists that think women are pieces of dirt and should be eradicated from the earth. Lol
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 6:12:25 PM
#169:


greengravy294 posted...
Uglyface2 posted...
Do you have to subscribe to the crazy bits to be an incel

Pretty much that's my definition of it


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Lopen
07/08/19 6:12:30 PM
#170:


Corrik7 posted...
Like, I assumed in a topic of "Any incels here?" That it was intended as the actual term. Not is there any anti-women misogynists that think women are pieces of dirt and should be eradicated from the earth. Lol


Why would you? Look at who made the topic.
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Jakyl25
07/08/19 6:13:01 PM
#171:


Corrik7 posted...
Not is there any anti-women misogynists that think women are pieces of dirt and should be eradicated from the earth.


Not eradicated! Treated as cattle!
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Nrrr
07/08/19 6:13:04 PM
#172:


Yeah but the rest of us are smarter than you and didn't assume something blatantly and obviously wrong
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CaptainOfCrush
07/08/19 6:32:07 PM
#173:


About 75 posts in and two thoughts:

1. I just got back from 16 days in Guatemala (best vacation of my life). My gf's cousin spent some time touring us, and during a drive through a seedier part of town, we saw two (surprisingly incredible looking) prostitutes. Based on what little her cousin knows, apparently you can get negotiate some sex acts for as little as 50 quetzales, or like $7. Couldn't fucking believe it. Also, the polite term for prostitutes there is something that translated to "lady who has temporarily compromised her morals". There's always hope to find the virtuous path again!

2. Thank god I'll happily settle for a handy/motorboat combo. Even if it's a one-night stand and not a sex worker, putting your dick in someone you barely know has always struck me as too risky.
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NFUN
07/08/19 6:33:33 PM
#174:


I'm sorry but are we just going to ignore the term "2nd Wave Incel"?
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Jakyl25
07/08/19 6:33:58 PM
#175:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
About 75 posts in and two thoughts:

1. I just got back from 16 days in Guatemala (best vacation of my life). My gf's cousin spent some time touring us, and during a drive through a seedier part of town, we saw two (surprisingly incredible looking) prostitutes. Based on what little her cousin knows, apparently you can get negotiate some sex acts for as little as 50 quetzales, or like $7. Couldn't fucking believe it. Also, the polite term for prostitutes there is something that translated to "lady who has temporarily compromised her morals". There's always hope to find the virtuous path again!

2. Thank god I'll happily settle for a handy/motorboat combo. Even if it's a one-night stand and not a sex worker, putting your dick in someone you barely know has always struck me as too risky.


Have you heard of condoms?
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ChaosTonyV4
07/08/19 6:34:45 PM
#176:


Corrik7 posted...
Lopen posted...
Corrik7 posted...
It's not on me to know you are only allowing it's implementation on a single forum subset of it!


I'm just telling you how it's used these days. Really do not care about the history lesson.

That's not a good viewpoint, Lopen.... = /


So you DO agree antifa means anti-fascist. Youre anti-fascist, right Corrik?
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Nrrr
07/08/19 6:36:38 PM
#177:


When I was in Korea, one of my co-workers had previously lived in Vietnam and said that they got a combination haircut and a blowjob for $5. I don't think I'd ever pay that little for a haircut.
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CelesMyUserName
07/08/19 6:37:00 PM
#178:


NFUN posted...
I'm sorry but are we just going to ignore the term "2nd Wave Incel"?

from the person who brought you kindergarten trans riot squad
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ExThaNemesis
07/08/19 6:37:15 PM
#179:


I like the fact that Kenri correlated incels with feminists completely unprompted.
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Uglyface2
07/08/19 6:37:53 PM
#180:


Waluigi1 posted...
It's pretty easy to not be creepy/harassy...


Not for me, it isn't.
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Gatarix
07/08/19 6:43:17 PM
#181:


SantaRPidgey posted...
The deal with Incels, is that, yes we are put in a situation unlike any before in history, so no one knows how to get a partner, what an ideal partner should look like, what the rules are for engaging a potential mate etc.

I think you're making things sound weirder than they really are. Basically it's finding a best friend for life who you want to bang and vice versa. I'm not saying that's easy, because finding a good friend is tough AND you have to want to bang them AND they have to want to bang you. But it's not some mysterious arcane artifact of modernity. It's just that all relationships between multiple people are going to be complex. The kid in elementary school who can't make any friends in class, that's complex too.
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TheCodeisBosco
07/08/19 6:47:28 PM
#182:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Also, the polite term for prostitutes there is something that translated to "lady who has temporarily compromised her morals". There's always hope to find the virtuous path again!


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MoogleKupo141
07/08/19 6:52:13 PM
#183:


I still want to know how long you have to go without having sex to legally be considered an incel
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TheRock1525
07/08/19 6:53:16 PM
#184:


At least 2 hours.
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 7:04:55 PM
#185:


Gatarix posted...
Basically it's finding a best friend for life who you want to bang and vice versa


I mean first of all it's not. How much does your partner need to make before you consider him? What is the status of their job? What medical issues do they have? 30 years ago, heck even 12 years ago it would have been reasonable to find someone in your town, stay with them, and start your life together in that town or near that town. Nowadays people are on the move, you need to sync up 5 year plans/30 year plans and life plans in a way that was previously a given. Dating is infinitely more complex than it ever has been and we're given less tools to solve them, and the tools we are given are basically industry driven. Not even taking faith and cultural beliefs into account, it's a madhouse out there.

and the "Finding your best friend" concept is a relatively recent western convention, it's not routed in tradition, it has no grounds as a success marker for marriage, it's a random unexplored variable, completely independent of what makes a partner "worthy" or "desirable."
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Waluigi1
07/08/19 7:11:28 PM
#186:


Man this topic is great. Like what even is that last post.
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Nrrr
07/08/19 7:19:56 PM
#187:


Incels aren't mad they can't find a wife, they are mad they aren't "a Chad" who fucks lots of women.

But material and health concerns have always existed. Being with your best friend is significantly easier than ever before precisely because you aren't restricted to the town you grew up in. Also it's significantly easier than ever before because now women have more earning power for themselves and do not need to rely on marrying a man for financial need quite as much as they used to. Men also just have, generally, healthier conception of women as equals which makes a happy relationship more likely. The only way in which things are more difficult now compared to for our parents is that we are in a worse financial situation due to unfettered capitalism.
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 7:21:51 PM
#188:


Nrrr posted...
Also it's significantly easier than ever before because now women have more earning power for themselves and do not need to rely on marrying a man for financial need quite as much as they used to.


They still require a high income in their partner, which they sell as "ambitious"
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Kenri
07/08/19 7:22:23 PM
#189:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I like the fact that Kenri correlated incels with feminists completely unprompted.

I literally quoted the prompt in my post?
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TheRock1525
07/08/19 7:22:53 PM
#190:


Nrrr posted...
The only way in which things are more difficult now compared to for our parents is that we are in a worse financial situation due to unfettered capitalism.


Which is ironic because that created the necessity for women to work more.

Single income families are dead.
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Nrrr
07/08/19 7:25:32 PM
#191:


Like judging from what you said in the other zea topic it seems like your conception of things being more difficult is because you personally want a situation basically no girl is interested in and think it would be easy to get a girl to be willing to settle for it if she had less options.

And if girls realize they cannot find a man at their income level, then they will eventually have to change that expectation or decide they prefer to be alone. It's not a long term problem either way. And if we were a more equal society, again, people would care less about material concerns!
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MoogleKupo141
07/08/19 7:26:08 PM
#192:


it's significantly easier than ever before because now women have more earning power for themselves and do not need to rely on marrying a man for financial need quite as much as they used to


but for the incels this is making things harder because women have less need of a man and thus are less likely to settle for any of the grossos in the incel community
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Nrrr
07/08/19 7:27:03 PM
#193:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
it's significantly easier than ever before because now women have more earning power for themselves and do not need to rely on marrying a man for financial need quite as much as they used to


but for the incels this is making things harder because women have less need of a man and thus are less likely to settle for any of the grossos in the incel community


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MoogleKupo141
07/08/19 7:27:54 PM
#194:


oh yes I agree, the grossos should try to be less gross
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 7:33:19 PM
#196:


Nrrr posted...
Like judging from what you said in the other zea topic it seems like your conception of things being more difficult is because you personally want a situation basically no girl is interested in and think it would be easy to get a girl to be willing to settle for it if she had less options.


Not particularly, the things I'm looking for and my personal strugges vs the pitfalls of modern dating is a ven diagram with some heavy room on the edges. I fully acknowledge that it's hard for me, and it should be hard for me because I'm in a niche in a niche. I'm willing to accept that.
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Waluigi1
07/08/19 7:36:07 PM
#197:


I feel like the more Santa talks, the more he sounds like an incel himself lol
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CeraSeptem
07/08/19 7:41:29 PM
#198:


UltimaterializerX posted...
CeraSeptem posted...
I'm so glad no one engaged Ulti's non sequiters. See, people, we can learn.

You realize this ridiculous topic is probably going to hit 500, right

Yeah but not because of you. Win.
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 7:41:59 PM
#199:


Can you elaborate on why?

I actually kind of get it, if you don't know pretty well me it's easy to interpret some of my words with creepy alternate meanings behind them.

ah who am I kidding even if you know me I'm that way
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SantaRPidgey
07/08/19 7:43:00 PM
#200:


CeraSeptem posted...
Yeah but not because of you. Win.


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