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ChaosTonyV4
06/28/19 4:50:59 PM
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Im sorry.
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Yao
06/28/19 4:53:19 PM
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Spicy
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NFUN
06/28/19 4:55:46 PM
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ORB
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06/28/19 4:56:33 PM
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please literally never make a topic again
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 5:00:48 PM
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538/Morning Consult poll tracking movement after the debates:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1144688884896403456

Big Biden drop/Harris gain, but Biden's approval didn't drop much. I would have thought the reverse was more likely, but I guess my intuition was bad.
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ChaosTonyV4
06/28/19 5:03:19 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
538/Morning Consult poll tracking movement after the debates:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1144688884896403456

Big Biden drop/Harris gain, but Biden's approval didn't drop much. I would have thought the reverse was more likely, but I guess my intuition was bad.


You thought Biden would gain and Harris would drop?
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 5:05:15 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You thought Biden would gain and Harris would drop?

No, I thought that his net approval would be hurt more than his poll numbers because I suspected that the people who would be most turned off by his debate performance would have been those who weren't supporting him anyway.
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Suprak the Stud
06/28/19 5:05:42 PM
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Both Biden and Bernie are either maxed out or almost maxed out imo. Literally everyone knows who they are by this point.

If you're going to see big gains, you'll be looking at people like Harris or Buttigieg or MARIANNE WILLIAMSON who aren't as big names.
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Suprak the Stud
06/28/19 5:06:07 PM
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Oh never mind that makes more sense then!
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Yao
06/28/19 5:25:28 PM
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downward movement for Biden (42% -> 32%)

How low of a number would Biden still feel comfortable at
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ChaosTonyV4
06/28/19 5:32:04 PM
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Anecdotally, a significant portion of Biden support seems to be people who have largely no opinion about him except Obamas VP, but think hes the favorite, and thus the best chance to beat Trump.

So naturally, the only way for him to go is down.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/28/19 6:01:28 PM
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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1144676029883133952

So. Democracy Corps data shows Bidens favorability with African American voters went up a net 18% after last nights debate, while Mayor Petes went down 10%. Stan Greenberg chalked a lot of it up to defensiveness over the perception that the Obama-Biden legacy was under attack


Reposting. If Biden isn't damaged now, he's invincible in this primary.
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DoomTheGyarados
06/28/19 6:02:48 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1144676029883133952

So. Democracy Corps data shows Bidens favorability with African American voters went up a net 18% after last nights debate, while Mayor Petes went down 10%. Stan Greenberg chalked a lot of it up to defensiveness over the perception that the Obama-Biden legacy was under attack


Reposting. If Biden isn't damaged now, he's invincible in this primary.


... I guess so if that pans out.
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 6:09:16 PM
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Really important point about that Biden drop I didn't notice: over half of it came after debate 1, where Biden wasn't even a participant
https://twitter.com/dbernstein/status/1144710531170762757
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HeroicSpiderPig
06/28/19 6:14:19 PM
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Polling predix for eve of next debate:

Biden: 30%
Warren: 18%
Sanders: 13%
Harris: 10%
Buttegig: 8%
Booker: 5%
Castro: 4%
Beto: 4%
The Field: 7-8%
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 6:15:54 PM
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https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1144629684686262273
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Nelson_Mandela
06/28/19 6:20:35 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1144629684686262273

I love this so much
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 6:51:14 PM
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Also this Williamson quote:

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1078580231215202304
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Yao
06/28/19 7:45:13 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Also this Williamson quote:

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1078580231215202304


Hey its sarah palin
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 8:44:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1144753184604225536

Absolutely disgusting. Fuck both of them.
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Yao
06/28/19 9:08:36 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1144753184604225536

Absolutely disgusting. Fuck both of them.


Gotta keep your enemies close
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Mr Lasastryke
06/28/19 9:42:27 PM
#22:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1144740178948493314

Hello(?)!
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CelesMyUserName
06/28/19 11:18:40 PM
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CelesMyUserName
06/28/19 11:36:13 PM
#24:


man yang can't catch the smallest of breaks for getting coverage

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang_2020/status/1144610616335831041

this one obv isn't intentional but lmao even the graphics displays randomly start malfunctioning when you mention his name
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 11:40:35 PM
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CelesMyUserName posted...
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/is-this-quote-from-marianne-williamson-or-metal-gear-solid.html

Amazing
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LordoftheMorons
06/28/19 11:45:07 PM
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...maybe somebody can get David Hayter to read some Williamson tweets
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CelesMyUserName
06/28/19 11:47:41 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/williamsonmarianne/posts/10151736245680580

Mentally quarantine the government of Syria. See them and their minions surrounded by a golden egg that their malevolence cannot penetrate.

Within the egg, let's see them showered with light to awaken them.


Syria response: https://tinyurl.com/y5d3gu4z
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Paratroopa1
06/29/19 1:46:09 AM
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CelesMyUserName posted...
https://www.facebook.com/williamsonmarianne/posts/10151736245680580

Mentally quarantine the government of Syria. See them and their minions surrounded by a golden egg that their malevolence cannot penetrate.

Within the egg, let's see them showered with light to awaken them.


Syria response: https://tinyurl.com/y5d3gu4z

oh my god imagine this in donald trump's voice though
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/19 12:55:34 PM
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red sox 777
06/29/19 2:31:05 PM
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SephG come now you know you just want Biden to win the primary to guarantee a Trump win in the general.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/29/19 2:34:24 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
SephG come now you know you just want Biden to win the primary to guarantee a Trump win in the general.

No, I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America. I guess 1996 is probably the last time we had that?
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red sox 777
06/29/19 2:40:05 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
SephG come now you know you just want Biden to win the primary to guarantee a Trump win in the general.

No, I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America. I guess 1996 is probably the last time we had that?


Biden may not intend to destroy America, but he will do nothing to stop his party from doing so. He is a rather weak and ineffective leader. And his party will interpret any victory to mean that the people support their plans.

If the D party didn't see Biden and Hillary before him as their ticket to victory, they would have turned on them with the most vicious attacks. If any Republican had the same history and policies as Hillary they would be calling for multiple life sentences.
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Xeybozn
06/29/19 2:41:12 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America.

Then why do you keep saying you want to see Biden face Trump? OK, calling Biden a Republican is a bit much, but it's as close as we can get to your nightmare scenario.
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red sox 777
06/29/19 2:52:33 PM
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So the candidates that could beat Trump:

Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Pete Buttigieg
Andrew Yang

I think he has nothing to fear from the rest. All of them except for Warren are outsiders, and Warren is a really good speaker with a policy focus on the issues Americans actually want (socioeconomic mobility and less inequality).

I think all of these would give Trump more of a challenge on actual policy issues than any others. Hillary, for all her supposed expertise, never once tried to substantively pitch her policies to the voters during the debates. Sure, the moderators and the format made substantive debate hard, but someone with vision like Trump can overcome that and impose his vision on the debate.
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Yao
06/29/19 2:56:24 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
So the candidates that could beat Trump:

Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Pete Buttigieg
Andrew Yang

I think he has nothing to fear from the rest. All of them except for Warren are outsiders, and Warren is a really good speaker with a policy focus on the issues Americans actually want (socioeconomic mobility and less inequality).

I think all of these would give Trump more of a challenge on actual policy issues than any others. Hillary, for all her supposed expertise, never once tried to substantively pitch her policies to the voters during the debates. Sure, the moderators and the format made substantive debate hard, but someone with vision like Trump can overcome that and impose his vision on the debate.


Yang & Buttigieg dont stand a chance against Trump honestly speaking
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red sox 777
06/29/19 3:03:31 PM
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What could he attack them with? They have minimal association with the national Democratic Party. Essentially, someone can support them without supporting the core Democratic party platform:

1. Double down on 1995-2008 economic policy.
2. Call anyone who disagrees with you deplorable and ostracize them from society.
3. Enshrine the executive branch bureaucracy as above the constitution.
4. Open borders.
5. Hatred of Christianity.
6. Abortion.

Americans don't want the above platform and any Dem who can make people believe they won't allow it to come to pass can probably beat Trump.
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Inviso
06/29/19 3:12:40 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
What could he attack them with? They have minimal association with the national Democratic Party. Essentially, someone can support them without supporting the core Democratic party platform:

1. Double down on 1995-2008 economic policy.
2. Call anyone who disagrees with you deplorable and ostracize them from society.
3. Enshrine the executive branch bureaucracy as above the constitution.
4. Open borders.
5. Hatred of Christianity.
6. Abortion.

Americans don't want the above platform and any Dem who can make people believe they won't allow it to come to pass can probably beat Trump.


Those first three are all the Republican Party platform, as is number 5.
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Ashethan
06/29/19 3:20:09 PM
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Inviso posted...
Those first three are all the Republican Party platform, as is number 5.


No, they love Christianity. Well the prosperity gospel, anyway. And they definitely want Christian-Sharia law.
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Inviso
06/29/19 3:20:39 PM
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Ashethan posted...
Inviso posted...
Those first three are all the Republican Party platform, as is number 5.


No, they love Christianity. Well the prosperity gospel, anyway. And they definitely want Christian-Sharia law.


They love the old testament. Not so much the Jesus stuff.
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/19 3:52:35 PM
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https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1144962600188469248?s=21
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Not_an_Owl
06/29/19 5:12:35 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America.

That's funny, I'd like to have an election that isn't Democrat vs. Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America.
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ChaosTonyV4
06/29/19 5:13:32 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
SephG come now you know you just want Biden to win the primary to guarantee a Trump win in the general.

No, I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America. I guess 1996 is probably the last time we had that?


Gore and Kerry were trying to destroy America? Obama was actively trying to destroy America?
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Suprak the Stud
06/29/19 5:37:08 PM
#43:


Every republican I know (all liberal republicans to be fair) likes Biden. Some really like him.

It is unsettling.
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/19 5:40:10 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Every republican I know (all liberal republicans to be fair) likes Biden. Some really like him.

It is unsettling.

If he becomes the nominee I'm sure they'll find reasons to hate him!
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/19 5:46:57 PM
#45:


Speaking of which, a GOP operative has set up a fake Biden site (as well as fake Sanders, Warren, and Harris sites) which was, until recently, above the real site in google search results:

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1145067818771255296
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Mr Lasastryke
06/29/19 6:35:17 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
2. Call anyone who disagrees with you deplorable and ostracize them from society.


i can't believe you're STILL spouting this bullshit.

also, i don't see how the democrats are the platform of "hatred of christianity." hasn't every dem presidential candidate ever been a christian? hillary was probably a lot more christian than donald fucking trump.
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MoogleKupo141
06/29/19 6:38:50 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
SephG come now you know you just want Biden to win the primary to guarantee a Trump win in the general.

No, I'd like to finally have an election that doesn't feel like the Republican vs Someone Actively Trying to Destroy America. I guess 1996 is probably the last time we had that?


Gore and Kerry were trying to destroy America? Obama was actively trying to destroy America?


obviously yes
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red sox 777
06/29/19 6:48:37 PM
#48:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
red sox 777 posted...
2. Call anyone who disagrees with you deplorable and ostracize them from society.


i can't believe you're STILL spouting this bullshit.

also, i don't see how the democrats are the platform of "hatred of christianity." hasn't every dem presidential candidate ever been a christian? hillary was probably a lot more christian than donald fucking trump.


Cyrus the Great was not Christian/Jewish either but the Bible credits him for doing great things for Israel nonetheless. Trump has appointed judges faithful to our constitution who have protected our religion.
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Mr Lasastryke
06/29/19 6:48:38 PM
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sephy: conservatives are way more accepting of opposing viewpoints than liberals
also sephy: KERRY (THE MOST MILQUETOAST DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVER) WAS ACTIVELY TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/19 6:52:03 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Cyrus the Great was not Christian/Jewish either but the Bible credits him for doing great things for Israel nonetheless. Trump has appointed judges faithful to our constitution who have protected our religion.

I guess caging children is a small price to pay...!
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