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davidponte
05/14/19 8:43:42 PM
#51:


There might be a riot if the Lakers win this.
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:44:52 PM
#52:


Cavs drop to 5, all is right in the world.
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Nrrr
05/14/19 8:45:39 PM
#53:


I hate this
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:45:48 PM
#54:


This is about as unexpected a top 4 as you could ask for, other than the Knicks. The Suns got shafted.
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Nrrr
05/14/19 8:48:35 PM
#55:


If the Lakers get number 1 I will probably have very strong opinions
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 8:49:12 PM
#56:


davidponte posted...
The Knicks are about to Knicks and trade away the first overall pick once they get it, aren't they?

Nah. Zion is worth too much money.
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:49:33 PM
#57:


The Knicks won't need to trade Zion to the Lakers if the Lakers just win the lottery themselves!
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:50:23 PM
#58:


Crisis averted!
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:50:48 PM
#59:


LMAO Knicks

You love to see it.

Zion to the Pelicans, as we all predicted.
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:51:24 PM
#60:


This is hilarious considering Zion for AD has been thrown out there in the last 24 hours.
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Nrrr
05/14/19 8:52:34 PM
#61:


I'm so happy the pelicans won out of those 4 and the Lakers got last. The only thing I'm happy about.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 8:53:11 PM
#62:


aahahahaa I want to die

literally the two least popular teams in the NBA
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 8:54:18 PM
#63:


Poor Zion. He just lost like 9 figures from his first endorsement
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:55:05 PM
#64:


Tonight was a victory for not tanking, and therefore the world.
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davidponte
05/14/19 8:55:52 PM
#65:


The four tanking teams all miss the top four!
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ScareChan
05/14/19 8:59:19 PM
#66:


RIP Zion

We hardly knew ye
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Nrrr
05/14/19 8:59:41 PM
#67:


Who was tanking? The suns didn't tank, they just sucked. They signed expensive vets like Ariza, traded young players for Ryan Anderson hoping to get better and ended up worse.
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burritosatan
05/14/19 8:59:47 PM
#68:


I'm late to the party did the Oilers get the No.1 overall pick?
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davidponte
05/14/19 9:00:14 PM
#69:


close enough
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ninkendo
05/14/19 9:00:15 PM
#70:


There was a 5 minute period where I was hopeful for possibility of LeZion
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 9:00:45 PM
#71:


This makes me fucking despise Anthony Davis even more. If he didn't quit on the team they would not have been in this position.
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Shadow Dino
05/14/19 9:02:41 PM
#72:


Bulls wind up with #7 again. Three years in a row!
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davidponte
05/14/19 9:03:47 PM
#73:


Zion about to change his mind and go back to Duke for a year.
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Nrrr
05/14/19 9:06:10 PM
#74:


The team that got to sign the best player in the world solely because they are in LA got a better pick than the actually bad teams without all stars. What a good change to the lottery!
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davidponte
05/14/19 9:07:26 PM
#75:


Watching videos of Knicks fans reactions on Twitter is making my night
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neonreaper
05/14/19 9:08:24 PM
#76:


Nice the Grizzlies pick didnt convey. Now have to root for them to really suck next year
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 9:10:03 PM
#77:


Can't wait until RJ Barrett does his best Andrew Wiggins impersonation in a Knicks uniform.

I don't know what the lesson for the tanking teams is gonna be. "Better sign Khris Middleton to a max contract." They're just gonna tank again.
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KommunistKoala
05/14/19 9:39:42 PM
#78:


Zion gonna be on that Anthony Davis plan I see
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 9:41:35 PM
#79:


But for real if AD actually decided to play hard this year, this is a solid team
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ExThaNemesis
05/14/19 9:44:10 PM
#80:


I hate literally everything about the new draft system and what happened tonight.

What a tragedy for the NBA.

The Pelicans are the biggest joke franchise in the entire league. They wasted Chris Paul. They wasted Anthony Davis.

They cut their ENTIRE FACE OFF to spite their face last year just to troll LeBron, and in another four years I guarantee they will be staring down the barrel of "I don't want to be here" yet again.
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Emeraldegg
05/14/19 10:00:50 PM
#81:


The common thinking at that time was that the lakers offer would still stand during the offseason and the celtics could get involved and cause a bidding war, so holding onto AD until more suitors could be involved is hardly a poor decision. And now the lakers have even more capital to throw at them.
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 10:03:18 PM
#82:


ExThaNemesis posted...
They cut their ENTIRE FACE OFF to spite their face last year just to troll LeBron, and in another four years I guarantee they will be staring down the barrel of "I don't want to be here" yet again.


Restricted free agency guarantees it will be at least seven years.
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ExThaNemesis
05/14/19 10:06:40 PM
#83:


God.

Such misery.

He should go back to Duke for another year.
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burritosatan
05/14/19 10:11:22 PM
#85:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Zion was noticeably upset. Should have stayed at Duke, bro.

Also can this finally put to rest the ideas that the lottery is rigged and/or tanking is a good idea?


Why dont they just adopt the nfl method

That way you can even stay in college for a second year if you KNOW you're the number one pick and hate that team
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 10:17:14 PM
#86:


So terrible that they made him sit through that
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ShatteredElysium
05/14/19 10:30:50 PM
#87:


Pelicans getting Zion is meh but it's better than a tanking team getting him. Maybe the Pelicans still trade AD to try get a team around Zion in a few years rather than risking AD walking if next year goes badly.

Grizzlies potentially getting Ja Morant is interesting too given they have supposedly been wanting to blow it up and shopping Conley. That salary is a lot to swallow but they may just take a cut price deal on Conley now. I know the Magic were interested before deadline but now matching salaries realistically may make it difficult.
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 10:47:34 PM
#88:


So now instead of disincentivizing teams from tanking, it will now incentivize teams near but not quite in the playoffs to tank late in the season.

Memphis was 19-22 and finished 33-49 (14-27 second half).
New Orleans was 19-22 and finished 33-49 (14-27 second half).
Los Angeles was 22-19 and finished 37-45 (15-26 second half).

You didnt stop tanking, you expanded it.
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ShatteredElysium
05/14/19 11:01:28 PM
#89:


Not sure those 3 are good examples.

Grizzlies didn't tank, they attempted to blow it up but only managed to shift Gasol. They were still trying to win, they just weren't as good.

Pelicans started losing because of the Davis situation and not wanting to get him hurt and who knows what happened behind closed doors

Lakers started losing more because Lebron and Lonzo got hurt and then moral took a shitter after the whole Davis trade situation. I'm sure they tanked a little towards the end but circumstances definitely played a big part in their downfall.

Wizards are a team who phoned it in down the stretch. They got within like a game of the playoffs late in the year and then lost a few key games then somehow ended up with 6th best odds so I can only assume they won virtually no games after that
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Nrrr
05/14/19 11:03:29 PM
#90:


Who do you think tanked? If making wise decisions like sitting AD so he doesn't get injured is not considered tanking I seriously have no idea what teams you thought tanked.
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 11:07:56 PM
#91:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Not sure those 3 are good examples.

Grizzlies didn't tank, they attempted to blow it up but only managed to shift Gasol. They were still trying to win, they just weren't as good.

Pelicans started losing because of the Davis situation and not wanting to get him hurt and who knows what happened behind closed doors

Lakers started losing more because Lebron and Lonzo got hurt and then moral took a shitter after the whole Davis trade situation. I'm sure they tanked a little towards the end but circumstances definitely played a big part in their downfall.

Wizards are a team who phoned it in down the stretch. They got within like a game of the playoffs late in the year and then lost a few key games then somehow ended up with 6th best odds so I can only assume they won virtually no games after that


That's the whole point. It's completely fucking random. A ball bounces a different way and a team that "clearly threw in the towel" drafts in the top 4 and a team that "just tried hard and it didn't work out" finishes something like 9th.

In 2010, the Pistons and Wizards finished with the exact same record. One drafted 1st. One drafted 7th. Can you explain to me how that's fair, or makes sense, or is anything other that so fucking stupid that not a single person should justify that sort of system?
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 11:09:16 PM
#92:


Bulls won 22 games and will draft 7th.
Lakers won 37 games and will draft 4th.

Explain how that makes any sense whatsoever.
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ShatteredElysium
05/14/19 11:10:10 PM
#93:


I think the Davis situation is more unique than just tanking. If they just sat him for no reason then yes its absolutely tanking. But sitting a player who says he wants to be traded and has massive trade value isn't tanking, it's being sensible as an injury would potentially massively reduce his value.

Tanking teams are the teams that basically roll out their G-league teams and sit all their best players for no reason. Pelicans do not sit Davis if he doesn't ask for a trade / says he won't resign
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Nrrr
05/14/19 11:13:08 PM
#94:


ShatteredElysium posted...
I think the Davis situation is more unique than just tanking. If they just sat him for no reason then yes its absolutely tanking. But sitting a player who says he wants to be traded and has massive trade value isn't tanking, it's being sensible as an injury would potentially massively reduce his value.

Tanking teams are the teams that basically roll out their G-league teams and sit all their best players for no reason. Pelicans do not sit Davis if he doesn't ask for a trade / says he won't resign


Okay so who tanked?
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 11:15:56 PM
#95:


The Knicks literally didn't have their best player all season thanks to a major injury. What could they have possibly done to be better than they were? Cleveland lost the best player in the league, what could they have possibly done to be better than they were? Why can't teams be allowed to rebuild? Teams have to bottom out, almost every team at some point has to be one of the worst, if not the worst, in the league.
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ShatteredElysium
05/14/19 11:20:43 PM
#96:


Knicks, Bulls, Cavs. I am hesitant to say the Suns as that was more just incompetence than tanking

Statistics say there was about a 30% reduction in tanking this year going off player rotations (they used average age of teams as the year went on as the main factor). So flattening the odds out has helped somewhat
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ExThaNemesis
05/14/19 11:21:31 PM
#97:


y'all

this is the only place where I've seen this shit system defended and I help run an NBA group with 30,000 members. Everyone but Pelicans fans is mystified.
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 11:22:07 PM
#98:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Statistics say there was about a 30% reduction in tanking this year going off player rotations (they used average age of teams as the year went on as the main factor). So flattening the odds out has helped somewhat


Where's this article from?
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TheRock1525
05/14/19 11:23:27 PM
#99:


ExThaNemesis posted...
y'all

this is the only place where I've seen this shit system defended and I help run an NBA group with 30,000 members. Everyone but Pelicans fans is mystified.


Tanking is essentially the US-Mexican Border of sports.

People are absolutely convinced it's a crisis based on completely isolated incidents when the larger view shows it's not a problem at all.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/14/19 11:25:26 PM
#100:


So if you're the pelicans... You really start considering trading Davis for 2 of Ball/Ingram/Kuzma + the #4 pick right?
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