Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 21: A far fetched return.

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barreldragon88 posted...

Wow, how did they decide to make Azura free when they could have milked her

i think her and Aversa were possible incentives to make you want to try the new mode, since there aren't a lot of female choices (and 3DS females are particularly rare, when those tend to be the best sellers). but then those two are the only two you can't actually get extra copies of yet. i wonder how often they'll update that.
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Can't even buy Aversa in the shop yet!

This new grail thing seems like a good idea with bad implementation, much like 90% of the new features added to the game. I guess there's a chance that the new mode will actually be fun and not grindy but yeah right.
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You know if they were going to make this grail thing have exactly 20 summons per unit, couldn't they make each grail summon grab a different nature (there are exactly 20-non neutral possibilities) so we could actually get natures on these units. Dumb.
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i'm guessing we'll be able to buy Aversa in like a month. not really a big deal with how slowly that new currency is coming in.
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I bought a Valter. Aversa will probably be my second to +10. I like Joshua and Marisa and Robin more but she serves the most unique purpose of the others. Not sure who after those 4. Maybe Eliwood. Maybe some skill fodder. Probably just hoard in case another good TT/GHB unit shows up at some point.

I imagine the currency will eventually come in more quickly once they've realized they've grossly undertuned it just like they did with feathers. But yeah no huge rush. I'm just annoyed that they had the perfect gimmick to give these guys natures and missed it.
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Have IS ever acknowledged natures as being present in the game? They obviously do, but I don't remember learning about it through the game itself (apart from differing stats at level 40 in the early arena anyway).
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No they haven't. God knows why. The game would be so much more convenient if they just colored the good attribute green and the bad attribute red and explained it in the menus instead of making me go to a wikipedia page whenever I draw a new unit.
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They keep adding all these modes. Don't like most of them.
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I wish they'd spend their time on new modes just developing fun maps to play.

Remove all modes that aren't story, arena and I guess arena assault from the game, instead give us a GHB style map to solve daily with a 2 week time limit per map or so.

Game is suddenly much better. I'm sure you'd get some lemons but if one was released per day you'd probably hit often enough that it'd be good.

There's like one mode I'd actually like to see in the game, a gauntlet type thing to emulate normal fire emblem where you build temporary copies of low level characters up featuring permadeath for the temp units, etc, but I have my doubts we'll ever see anything like it. As I only really play for GHB maps and to do gacha draws.
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Characters are officially stated to have stat variance but there are no official details on how it works. Everything we know has been worked out by fans. Initially by testing and later on through datamining.
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So I have a bit more mobile time to pick up another game and chose this. Needless to say I am overwhelmed. I don't even know where to start. Please help a newbie with advice and tips.

And be my friend: 1876612641
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Did you reroll for any 5* units? If so, who did you get?
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I got:

Brave Lady Lynn
Brave Warrior Hector
Moonlit Witch Mia
The Trickster Loki

And I also got a dupe of Kindly Priest Wrys which I have no idea what to do with.
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Having not touched the game in a while, heard about Grails and think that sounds neat. Racked up a bunch of orbs quickly and got a +HP -Atk Loki without much trouble, and with how Thokk works that's actually not a terrible setup.
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You start with a fair amount of storage space so you don't need to worry about duplicates or unwanted unit for a while.

If you don't mind skipping ahead a bit in the story, you want to beat Book II Chapter 1 (Lv5 enemies) to pick up Fjorm and Xenologue 3 (Lv10 enemies) for Ike.

In regards to summoning strategy, one of the most popular ones is called "sniping". This is when a player only targets coloured stones that match the 5* focus unit they want. For example, if you wanted Myrrh, you would only select Red stones whenever possible and back out if there are none left.

In regards to unit stats. The same unit of the same rarity can have slightly different stats at max level (Lv40). For each of a units 5 stats, there are 3 possible final values: low, medium and high. Usually, one stat is selected to be the low value, one will be the high value and the other three will be the medium value. Sometimes a unit will just have 5 medium values, though. This stat variation is known as a unit's IV (because apparently there are a lot of Pokemon fans who play this game). You can determine a units IVs based on their Lv1 or Lv40 stats by comparing them to charts online. There's no easy in game way to find your unit's IVs. Units that are given out for free (like your Brave Lyn and Brave Hector) always have 5x Medium stats. Generally units with -Atk are among the worse variations of a unit. -Spd can hurt as well depending on the unit.

The biggest source of Orbs right now are the Story maps but they won't go anywhere. See if you can complete any of the lower difficulty versions of the Bound Hero Battle or Rival Domains first. The other special maps right now are just maps the cycle daily so you can do them whenever.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So I have a bit more mobile time to pick up another game and chose this. Needless to say I am overwhelmed. I don't even know where to start. Please help a newbie with advice and tips.

And be my friend: 1876612641

I sent you a friend request and added you to the spreadsheet in the opening post.
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Thanks!

The info helps, but how should I craft my team?

And also, should I upgrade my castle to the 20% Experience thing?
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I did 4 of the 5 castle upgrades, and I'm perfectly content not doing the 5th. If I could go back and undo the 4th, I probably would. I feel like 3/5 is the hotspot.
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Is a +10 Josuha more worth than a +10 Black Knight?

Trying to think how will I plan my grails.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Thanks!

The info helps, but how should I craft my team?

And also, should I upgrade my castle to the 20% Experience thing?

At the beginning, your team will basically consist of whichever 5* units you managed to summon. It's 20k feathers to promote a 4* to a 5* so it will take your some time to grow your roster that way. There are quite a number of useful 4* units to look into later.

It's nice to have a balance of each color on your team. Eventually, you may form cavalry, armor, or flying teams since there are skills available that buff the same unit type like Hone Cavalry or Fortify Cavalry.

Seikon_No_Qwase posted...

Is a +10 Josuha more worth than a +10 Black Knight?

Trying to think how will I plan my grails.

Black Knight has higher BST and will score better unless you want to give Joshua R Infantry Duel skill
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Thanks!

The info helps, but how should I craft my team?

And also, should I upgrade my castle to the 20% Experience thing?

You probably want a decent variety of units to start with. For example, you don't even have a 5* Green unit right now. Eventually you'll want to make teams of a specific movement type or blessing since a lot of quests ask for things like "Use a team of 4 armors to do X" or "Use 4 Cavalry to do Y". Hone Cavalry and Fortify Cavalry are relatively common skills so making a cavalry team generally isn't too bad.

Some players like to aim for a high ranking in the Arena as a long term goal. Arena scoring is a bit wonky so you'll need to read up on the details on it if you want to make a team for that.

Exp boosting is kinda useful at first since you are training a bunch of characters to Lv40. However, in the long term you will be drowning in shard and crystals so exp is never really a problem. In fact, you'll frequently want less exp while battling since that means the unit gains more SP on the way to Lv40.
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Well, I looked at aether battles. It is very complicated. No idea where to even start after the tutorial!
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Aether battles are a bit more complicated than they should be for sure. The tutorials are kinda bad. Just poke around the battles and building menus a bit. The key is that you kill the enemy team without dying, and killing the two aether structures are stretch goals to get an aether refund.

But I think I like this. Wait. I like this?

That's not how new modes are supposed to be.
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This is easily the best game mode they've ever made. It's not even close.
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@Lopen I auto build everything!
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Arena is so awful to go back to after playing Aether, good lord.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Arena is so awful to go back to after playing Aether, good lord.

And it only continues to get worse
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Haven't seriously played Arena in a real long time. Much easier to just veer from 18-20 and get the easy orbs weekly than put any real effort in. I will eventually get some Lokis due to drawing for her because I want one with a decent nature on her, and then I'll probably use the Duel Skills on Matthew and Serra and rake with a good score, but before then yeah there's no point.
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I love the fact that you can see defense matches.

Got a lot of satisfaction of seeing my Nino just destroy someone's team because they tried to tank her with Female Grima.

(In compete fairness their only merged unit is a +1 Raven so I basically just dunked on a beginner, but still it was fun to watch)

Really hope they bring this feature to regular arena in the near future.
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Another random question.

What are those random numbers that pop up after a battle on my units?
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Hero merit. Every 500 you get you get 500 feathers. It's a reward for using characters a lot. It's listed in the character menu. Caps at 5000.
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got a free dream female Corrin from the new banner. -spd unfortunately but +atk to sorta make up for it. better than Anna for next arena season at least, and good for auto-battling that upcoming TT.

this new mode... kinda skeptical atm. it's been very easy to win deathless, like significantly easier than regular arena. one guy i faced had the most obnoxious setup to kill their aether things though so i was only able to kill one. they basically gave up on actually killing anyone, 4 offensive cav units with no obstructions to go after you right down the middle and buried their aether in the corners behind tons of junk. another one i just messed up and hit a trap when i was trying to attack their aether, but could have attacked from a different direction and not hit the trap, so i missed out there as well, so i couldn't reach 900.
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also is it just me or is their like, zero incentive to improving your defense? seems like you're better off saving everything for improving your offensive structures.
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If your Lift is over 4000, you lose Lift for failed defenses. If your defense team is able to kill some attacks, it reduces the amount of Lift you lose for the loss. After your defense team loses once, you won't lose any Lift for further losses for the next 20 hours.

That's the incentive for having stronger defenses. However, I'm of the opinion that it's a lost cause. At least with the resources I have. So I plan to just take the hit every 20 hours and dump everything into Offense.
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okay so another awful game mode confirmed then.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I love the fact that you can see defense matches.

Got a lot of satisfaction of seeing my Nino just destroy someone's team because they tried to tank her with Female Grima.

(In compete fairness their only merged unit is a +1 Raven so I basically just dunked on a beginner, but still it was fun to watch)

Really hope they bring this feature to regular arena in the near future.

Seriously, why hasn't this been a feature from the beginning
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I think improving defense is smart just because it's easy to win on offense. I've put all my stuff into defense at the moment
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Free summon got neutral Leo. Sweet free Quick Riposte 3 for Oboro.
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Was expecting OG Corrin's to be TT bonuses and thought I could finally dust off my F!Corrin, but Hinoka and Ryoma are nice. Ryoma doesn't get used anymore, sadly. Might put both Hinoka's on my TT team
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Leo is a bonus in the upcoming TT so if you don't have another one, it could be nice to keep him around for a little while.

(Annoying how it's another 5* exclusive + TT freebie. At least I don't have to grind without a bonus this time...)
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So I guess I ought to just ask.

Should I still feel a little lost playing this? Like, lots of stats, items, and skills, and stuff like that, and I'm not sure what to do with anything. But I can battle just fine (that part is simple thankfully).

I'm sure I'll get it in time, but it's not just me in feeling like it's a bit overwhelming being new playing this, right?
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Dark Young Link posted...

Leo is a bonus in the upcoming TT so if you don't have another one, it could be nice to keep him around for a little while.

Yeah I try to keep one copy of every unit, generally, just for bonus reasons unless I absolutely must have their skill ASAP (QR3 ain't enough of an upgrade over QR2 that I had to). Already had a +Atk -Def one
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I'm sure I'll get it in time, but it's not just me in feeling like it's a bit overwhelming being new playing this, right?

Yeah there are a ton of menus and stuff that were trickled in as new features over time that I could see being overwhelming to new players. They really should story gate more stuff. Just read the ? explanations in the corner for the menus and do as best you can. Most of it isn't totally important as you've realized
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There's definitely a lot of different things to learn about. Units had a lot fewer skills at launch and complexity sort of grew over time. Eventually you'll have the common skills memorized and what types of units might want them via Skill Inheritance. Rare skill are rare so you can just decide as you go how to deal with them.
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Yeah it takes a while to get used to, but it eventually becomes second nature.

For new accounts I'd recommend working on going through book 1 so you can unlock the sacred seal forge and the weapon refinery. Both of these are unlockable in the intermission missions at the end of book 1.

Though if you haven't already, you can get a free hero by clearing chapter 1 of Book 2(You don't have to clear all of book 1 to access Book 2)
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Big things that are important to absorb how they work:

Skill Inheritance, Merging/Unlock Potential, Weapon Refining, Sacred Seals

But even then just getting dudes to level 40 comes first

Everything else is pretty minor. Like combat manuals are good to look into if you're running out of barracks space, but pretty minor.
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New calendar:
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The replays might be my favourite feature of Aether Raids. Watching some, it amazes me how many people still get caught out by Armor March after all this time, even on units it natively comes on. They usually still win of course, because most teams are still three from Reinhardt, Brave Lyn, Veronica or Fjorm + a dancer, but it raises a smile at least.
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People fall pretty hardcore for the WoM dancer trick too (to be fair it's garbage that shouldn't be in the game so I can't blame them). But yeah they still win regardless.
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I had one defense win where the guy just kept shuffling his units around outside of my attack range for all 7 turns. No idea what he thought would happen.
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