Board 8 > Smash Bros Ultimate General Discussion 3

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StealThisSheen posted...

EDIT: Like, the viewer count dropped to 2 million by the end

You are correct - however, Sans appears in that original video.
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mnkboy907 posted...

It's not even necessarily all about people not knowing or not liking Undertale. Even people that like it can still feel like Undertale doesn't belong in Smash and anti-vote him for that reason.

And that's fair, too, and likely right.

I think my main point of contention is that I don't agree with the 80% number. Saying there's pretty much nobody that doesn't know who Sans is just seems crazy to me.
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KamikazePotato posted...

You are correct - however, Sans appears in that original video.

Speaking to the retention rate thing

I guarantee you like less than 1% of people who only watched that one video are going to remember Sans, particularly considering that views != full views.
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KamikazePotato posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

EDIT: Like, the viewer count dropped to 2 million by the end

You are correct - however, Sans appears in that original video.

That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to remember him from a random Pewdiepie video
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Sans isn't the main character but he's absolutely the mascot and the series 'representative' at this point.
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Ok wait.

Ever since Snake made it, everyone said "Simon Belmont would be the second Konami character, even though we want Alucard".
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Hey sep and lopen have you guys ever considered just not participating in an argument instead of just talking out of your ass and then wasting a huge amount of time defending your dumb ass statements?
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Saying Sans is an Undertale mascot is a disservice to the word mascot

I mean it's technically correct to the extent it can be correct but yeah
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Hey sep and lopen have you guys ever considered just not participating in an argument instead of just talking out of your ass and then wasting a huge amount of time defending your dumb ass statements?

I've spent about as much time thinking about it as you've thought about making posts worth reading
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Hey sep and lopen have you guys ever considered just not participating in an argument instead of just talking out of your ass and then wasting a huge amount of time defending your dumb ass statements?

Have you ever considered just not reading it instead of bitching

There's already been somebody who has said they've enjoyed the discussion so you can go be an ass somewhere else thanks

Maybe go make some more of those videos where you do nothing but say penis, that seemed pretty good
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Did I just go back in time to that contest Undertale won

I feel like this may be the key to unlocking the secrets of time travel
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You could probably replace every word in the typical Santa post with the word penis and not change the experience much so it couldn't hurt
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I mean, maybe I'm wrong but I don't really feel like this is an "argument"

Both sides have presented valid points for why they feel how they do and there's actually been general agreement in a lot of places. It's a friendly discussion, not really worth being a dick over.
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Panthera posted...

Did I just go back in time to that contest Undertale won

I feel like this may be the key to unlocking the secrets of time travel

Once again, this is about why a non-GameFAQs poll seems to show a poor performance from Undertale. It would be obvious if it was a GameFAQs poll. >_>
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76921839

I made this thread but I gotta go to bed someone watch it for me
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Ooh, I actually really like the second option in that poll, since it gives a bit of insight that we haven't necessarily thought out much

How many people know Sans from memes and not from the game itself, which is interesting since it raises questions like... How many are anti-voting because of that? How many recognize him but don't actually know anything about the character, and does that actually count as knowing him or not? And so on.
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You're going to have some slightly skewed results on that considering it was rallied to a contest victory on the site we're on but it'll be interesting anyway
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ZenOfThunder posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Why do you guys keep saying Marvel instead of MvC. It's super weirding me out.

I don't know anyone who doesn't call it Marvel but I watch a ton of fighting game streams and went to a college with a huge Marvel scene

Really? I don't keep up with the fighting scene or anything. That's still dumb and confusing imo. And it mainly bothers me when its typed out, as it's more letters.
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It's not "Marvel".

It's "Mahvel".
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ZenOfThunder posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76921839

I made this thread but I gotta go to bed someone watch it for me

ZenOfThunder posted...

Trying to settle an argument between a few friends

Awwww, what a nice gesture
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Video of K.Rool in action. That combo into his already launched cannonball is pretty sick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbuHUz_Wkas" data-time="
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Having seen him in action I have to say I'm pretty sold on K Rool after having originally been softly critical of his inclusion. They always seem to get these things right

I kinda like that it shows an offscreen radar and score, too
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Grand Kirby posted...

It's not "Marvel".

It's "Mahvel".

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here's Chrom / Dark Samus gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP1cmXGpii8" data-time="

also shows off the stage morphing feature

ps people are all arguing over whether or not the announcer says "King Rool," "K. Rool," "Krool" or his Japanese name "Kururu" everywhere I go. People who have been saying "Krool" their whole lives are looking for validation
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Dark Samus might actually make me want to play Samus

I know the moves are the same but somehow Dark Samus looks more fun to play. Maybe because she's floatier?
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also in "dumb leak news" this was posted two nights ago:



there was the random note that they removed the "wins" from the results screen and the recent gameplay demos show that is true, but sane people pointed out that it had been removed earlier than these demos so there really isn't any validity to that

plus the idea of "dark meta knight" and "Camelot doesn't even want Isaac" makes me wanna die
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I've always pronounced it "Kay Rool" but it does sound like "Krool" in that video
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also from the "smash speculation farm," there is now talk of Skull Kid NOT being playable because Ganondorf and Wolf's victory jingles are still the same as their respective heroes' (heros'?)

meanwhile K Rool and Ridley/Dark Samus have unique jingles so people now think there's no potential for a new Zelda villain

it's a bit of a reach but I must do my due diligence reporting any news
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I don't think the jingle thing means anything. They could be holding back the reveal of a new Zelda villain jingle to keep us in the dark or Skull Kid could have a special Majora's Mask jingle like Rosalina has a Galaxy jingle

or neither? It does make me wonder why Wolf doesn't get a jingle based on his theme when dang Dark Pit gets one.
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The problem with the latest leak for me is there is too many Pokemon. Also, Dark Meta Knight seems like a silly choice.
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c'mon, if you are gonna make a fake leak you have gotta at least put Isabelle on it
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ZenOfThunder posted...

also in "dumb leak news" this was posted two nights ago:



there was the random note that they removed the "wins" from the results screen and the recent gameplay demos show that is true, but sane people pointed out that it had been removed earlier than these demos so there really isn't any validity to that

plus the idea of "dark meta knight" and "Camelot doesn't even want Isaac" makes me wanna die

I would be 100% happy with all this except for elma getting in over Kos-Mos (hopefully Kos-Mos as an echo DLC is possible)
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I don't believe that leak because it says DLC will be free.
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(also I would lose 10 bucks)
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PrinceKaro posted...

c'mon, if you are gonna make a fake leak you have gotta at least put Isabelle on it

yeah if Sakurai is throwing out echos left and right it seems weird to not toss one to Animal Crossing

I mean... Gothitelle? Who has ever wanted that?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

yeah if Sakurai is throwing out echos left and right it seems weird to not toss one to Animal Crossing

I mean... Gothitelle? Who has ever wanted that?

Not that it's a real leak, but Gardevoir/Gothitelle would give you a rep from gen 3 and 5, which otherwise have nothing. Then you could add a gen 6 and 7 rep via DLC?
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Gen 6 has greninja, 7 would have incineroar
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Gen 6 has greninja, 7 would have incineroar

Even better.
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everyone keeps saying that it would be cool to have reps from each gen, and I get that and I don't disagree

but would that really be a priority for sakurai? does he look down the roster and say to himself "something is missing... we need reps from EACH GEN OF POKEMON! Get me ANYTHING from gen 5, even that weird goth thing nobody remembers!"
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the REAL reason Pichu came back
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i think most people would rather have emolga as an echo of pikachu instead of fucking gothielle
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ZenOfThunder posted...

everyone keeps saying that it would be cool to have reps from each gen, and I get that and I don't disagree

but would that really be a priority for sakurai? does he look down the roster and say to himself "something is missing... we need reps from EACH GEN OF POKEMON! Get me ANYTHING from gen 5, even that weird goth thing nobody remembers!"

I agree with you, but if you're going to add Gardevoir and Gothitelle of all things, that seems like the only reason you would.
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Gothitelle is actually the prospect Im most excited for. Im so over these popular characters being the go to. I miss the days of smash in the 64 version and melee where I didnt know half the characters and it felt cool playing as them.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Gothitelle is actually the prospect Im most excited for. Im so over these popular characters being the go to. I miss the days of smash in the 64 version and melee where I didnt know half the characters and it felt cool playing as them.

If Sakurai really is going for fan favorites, that won't happen again this time.

I seriously doubt Gothitelle will be in, anyway.
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I would take literally any 5th Gen Pokmon from another line over Gothitelle.
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so if Sakurai was going to add a Gen 3 pokemon, there are only a few viable options:

-Sceptile
-Blaziken
-Swampert
-Gardevoir
-Mawile
-Plusle & Minun
-Deoxys

if Sakurai's only criteria was "they need to be a notable Pokemon from Gen III and have a plausible echo from Gen V," then we can start narrowing down the list:

-Sceptile - Not really notable anymore, he's pretty forgettable. You can argue that Treeko would be a better pick but I don't think people are clamoring for him

-Blaziken - A memorably final starter evo that has had smash buzz since its creation, but now that Incineroar exists and could potentially have a wrestling moveset plus more relevancy, why should Blaziken exist?

-Swampert - A poor man's Greninja

-Gardevoir - Recently in Pokken and is super popular, still makes appearances here and there. Good moveset potential based on all the psychic moves ever in Pokemon. Tons of porn. Had to be said. Great choice.

-Mawile - I only put this one on here because people still seem to like her, but I don't think she's too popular. She's bipedal and could potentially have a semi-decent moveset but she really isn't THAT notable

-Plusle & Minun - Part of the Forbidden Seven, but Pichu exists to fuck it why do this now when they are the least relevant they have ever been?

-Deoxys - Way better and more relevant legendaries with better moveset potential. Also this thing is ugly af

Once you have it broken down, I guess all you got left is Gardevoir, and when you look down the Gen V Pokedex... Yeah, Gothitelle is the only one who could really be an echo. Actually, when you look down the Gen V Pokedex you see that there's actually not many viable Pokemon at all:

-Victini
-Snivy
-Emboar
-Oshawott
-the ugly element monkeys
-Krookodile
-Gothitelle
-Chandelure
-Keldeo
-Meloetta
-Genesect

so if you break these down, you got starters that are no longer popular, ugly monkeys that would be a pain to implement, Krookodile who is just a shitty K Rool, a chandelier that was in Pokken for some reason, and three legendaries nobody even remembers because there are now 16 legendaries per generation

that leaves Gothitelle, who really isn't notable on her own, but when attached to Gardevoir, why the hell not?

I don't wanna believe the leaks but she's just such an out-of-nowhere pick, and yeah having her be an echo of Gardevoir seems like a no-brainer if you already have Gardevoir on your fake leak roster, but why go that extra mile when it could potentially invalidate the rest of your leak? and what about the convenience of getting a rep from each gen? is that just a coincidence?

i can't believe I'm trying to rationalize Gothitelle being in a Smash Bros game, what the fuck
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Snake's new d-smash appears to be just a kick instead of a landmine.
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Kenri posted...

I don't believe that leak because it says DLC will be free.

To be fair, it doesn't say all DLC, just anything cut for time, which isn't completely unheard of. Tekken Tag Tournament 2 did it.
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