Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic 46

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It's crazy how much pre-ordering a single expansion helps with a collection.

Obviously dusting rotating cards out for 10k dust helped a bunch, but thanks to the 130+ packs I opened of Witchwood, I had enough dust to craft essentially any deck I wanted, and didn't feel the need to further spend gold on packs.

I have 12k dust right now, after already spending 10k on cards (I had zero before dusting the rotating cards), and already have 3000 gold saved for the next expansion.
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BlackDra90n posted...

I think a lot more people are playing arena now so the overall quality of players is lower.

Yeah...

Just now I had an 8/6 volcanosaur on board. Guy has a 3-attack and a 4-attack minion on board. He needs to clear or face almost certain lethal next turn.

He trades in the 3-attack....plays a stormwind knight and trades it in....then trades in the 4-attack for the last 1 health.

>___>

That was at 2 wins, btw.

Tom Bombadil posted...

banananor posted...

if you guys actually hate RNG this much, you can always go play Prismata.

Is it out of closed beta yet

missed this for some reason!

yep, at least on steam. even when it was in closed beta the devs were handing out keys like candy in their subreddit

i'll be honest, i don't play it all that much, and when i do i mostly just play against AI of varying difficulty

zero RNG, turn-based games are absolutely brutal. i bring up the game because i think it gives good perspective on the usefulness of randomness
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davidponte posted...

It's crazy how much pre-ordering a single expansion helps with a collection.

Obviously dusting rotating cards out for 10k dust helped a bunch, but thanks to the 130+ packs I opened of Witchwood, I had enough dust to craft essentially any deck I wanted, and didn't feel the need to further spend gold on packs.

I have 12k dust right now, after already spending 10k on cards (I had zero before dusting the rotating cards), and already have 3000 gold saved for the next expansion.

Caverns of Time event helps alot too. I greatly underestimated the difference getting dust with every quest makes when working toward crafting a legendary.
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So like Ive played miracle rogue on three separate occasions and each time Ive brrn queued into s kingsbane version (which is a really bad matchup). And like facing kingsbane with anything makes me want to quit the game.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

banananor posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

banananor posted...

if you guys actually hate RNG this much, you can always go play Prismata.

Is it out of closed beta yet

missed this for some reason!

yep, at least on steam. even when it was in closed beta the devs were handing out keys like candy in their subreddit

i'll be honest, i don't play it all that much, and when i do i mostly just play against AI of varying difficulty

zero RNG, turn-based games are absolutely brutal. i bring up the game because i think it gives good perspective on the usefulness of randomness

Zero RNG is automatically better because you have to be good to win. There is no getting bailed out for making stupid plays.

So, to ask the obvious question - why aren't you playing this game already!
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the tempo rogue I was playing shit all over kingsbane, it was an amazing feeling. sadly I rarely ever queued into them. but apparently it's more of a problem at higher ranks. so I guess I have to get there first before I can counter them...
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I don't think anyone thought i was being a nonhuman, but i appreciate it just the same.

Not to mention you were going to have to at some point when they let you join a mafia game anyways.
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I really dont want to take Ulti off of block

Which is why I hope he doesnt get into a mafia hame anytime soon

Lying and slandering me is not very nice

Woo I made it to rank 10. Now I guess I'll try and get to rank 5. Don't see that happening.
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Had a priest reminensce against me twice, and twice pull a Coffin Crasher+ Obsidian Statue. Holy shit, people dont know what bad RNG is.

I haven't touched wild in a long time, are there any fun wombo combos out there?
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Camden posted...

I haven't touched wild in a long time, are there any fun wombo combos out there?

I believe this works in standard too, but since I started playing wild there's been a few cases where I face off against a druid and he ends up with a billion armor, no cards in his deck, then he plays togwaggle and naturalize to kill me with fatigue damage.
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MariaTaylor posted...

Camden posted...

I haven't touched wild in a long time, are there any fun wombo combos out there?

I believe this works in standard too, but since I started playing wild there's been a few cases where I face off against a druid and he ends up with a billion armor, no cards in his deck, then he plays togwaggle and naturalize to kill me with fatigue damage.

Yup, and it's currently right under Kingsbane Rogue in terms of deck I want to see die forever.
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I think it's really dumb as well, but I figured it was something some of you guys might like playing!
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It 100% works in standard

The thing with Wild is that you can togwaggle and azalina in the same turn easier since you dont need the twig; you have Aviana + Kun
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One of the cooler things Ive seen is Reno Shaman

You also run Shudderwock and you can get Reno for infinite healing
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Tog Druid loses easily to Dirty Rat and Deathlord, which are in almost every control deck now. It's "fair." It's decent but the Malygos combo is more resilient to those hate cards so it's stronger right now. That's just Aviana + Kun + Ixilid + Maly + Faceless to make 4 Malygos and leave 7 mana left over for spells. Also runs Twig in case Aviana or Kun get pulled.

Exodia Mage is still around in Wild, it's not really good but it's doable. The cool thing is you don't need the quest. You just need a Thaurissan tick on 4 combo pieces (out of Tony, Apprentice, Molten Reflection)and you can do it in one turn.

There were some Priest combo decks like Dragon Inner Fire and Spawn of Shadows combo, but I think those have mostly fallen out of favor.

Oh and I lost to a Howlfiend + Treachery + Defile Warlock once, that was interesting
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One of the decks I'm going to play around with is the Patron/Juggler/Defile combo, but if I remember right Defile doesn't go off that many times so it's not really an OTK type of deck.

I like the idea of Togwaggle Druid, but good lord my dust would disappear fast as I don't think I have any of the necessary legendaries for it. Same for the Malygos variant. No Togwaggle, Malygos, Aviana, Kun, Azalina, Twig, whatever else they run.

VeryInsane posted...

One of the cooler things Ive seen is Reno Shaman

You also run Shudderwock and you can get Reno for infinite healing

Well, I am the kind of person who ran Brewmaster in my old Reno decks so I could play it more than once. And unlike Druid, I seem to be predisposed to opening Shaman legendaries. I think I have all of them that are even remotely useful aka not Moorabi.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Exodia Mage is still around in Wild, it's not really good but it's doable. The cool thing is you don't need the quest. You just need a Thaurissan tick on 4 combo pieces (out of Tony, Apprentice, Molten Reflection)and you can do it in one turn.

Exodia still works in standard as well, unless one of the recent nerfs/changes impacted something.
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Yeah, I know Exodia still works in Standard, but in Wild the deck is better since you still have Ice Block, and Thaurissan is better than messing around with Leyline Manipulator or the quest.

There's also the Uther DK + Beardo OTK that uses Burgly Bully coins. Awful deck but a good meme combo.
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If you like Aviana/Kun shenanigans there's Ragnaros > Cube > Faceless > Deathwing

Camden posted...

I like the idea of Togwaggle Druid, but good lord my dust would disappear fast as I don't think I have any of the necessary legendaries for it. Same for the Malygos variant. No Togwaggle, Malygos, Aviana, Kun, Azalina, Twig, whatever else they run.

I think VI is talking about a different deck than I am.

all you need to make it work is Togwaggle and Naturalize, and a ton of armor gain, removal tools, and card draw. those are far easier on the wallet.

stuff like Kun and Twig are not needed. you can play Togwaggle and 2xNaturalize on the same turn.

what you do is gain a bunch of armor and then empty your own deck while playing the control/midrange game. by using Ultimate Infestation to draw cards you can also deal 10 damage to the enemy face, but this is situational. at the end you play Togwaggle followed by double Naturalize in the same turn. this deals 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 (10 total) damage to your opponent immediately.

the only thing that would probably make it work even better is having something like thaurissan and two coldlight oracles. then you could ideally play some oracles for additional damage. An extra 5+6+7+8 means a peak damage of up to 36 damage just during the togwaggle turn... not including the extra damage you can manage to pile on during the game just by fighting for the board.

granted this probably fails against other druid decks which are gaining 150 life. and druids are pretty common. and even other togwaggle druids are going to be fairly common right now. so yeah it might not be the best time to attempt to play this deck... especially the weaker variant that I was talking about.
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Eh I think its still necessary because you arent guaranteed lethal from togwaggle (its only 15, including your opponents next turn. This will help against some decks but is nowhere near enough against most armor gaining classes like Druid/Mage/Warrior and most Control decks like Priest or Warlock will be over that range). Like that combo is cool but theres a lot more burn out there in Wild, like freeze mage and oil rogue are decks that do way more with burn

Its smarter to just try to do an azalina on the same turn through cheating or just burn the ransom play so that way the fatigue damage is still present and your opponent cant just shrug it off
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VeryInsane posted...

Eh I think its still necessary because you arent guaranteed lethal from togwaggle (its only 15, including your opponents next turn. This will help against some decks but is nowhere near enough against most armor gaining classes like Druid/Mage/Warrior and most Control decks like Priest or Warlock will be over that range). Like that combo is cool but theres a lot more burn out there in Wild, like freeze mage and oil rogue are decks that do way more with burn

Its smarter to just try to do an azalina on the same turn through cheating or just burn the ransom play so that way the fatigue damage is still present and your opponent cant just shrug it off

oh I don't disagree at all with what you're saying about the version with azalina being better. I even referred to the one you mentioned as the optimal version (edit: or rather I called the other one the 'weaker' version, but yeah)

I was just clarifying that when I first brought it up, I was talking about a more simple version.
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I thought the way you do it is to Naturalize first so they don't get the Ransom when you play Togwaggle.
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It depends on the matchup. Most players know what your win condition is, so they won't ever stick themselves with 8 cards in hand, so that's never possible. And if you have to double Naturalize into Togwaggle, you're thinning the deck you receive off them pretty heftily. Again, it all depends on the circumstances.
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I dont know if its been said here, but Cavern Dreamer was a friggin mistake.

I just coined one out on turn 1. Immediately answered my opponents 2-drop and he just scooped. I have two copies that have carried this otherwise mediocre deck to 6 wins now.
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Mage is like the 4th best class in arena right now. Just because you are bad at playing around boardclears doesnt make them broken.
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You know what a fun match is? Spell Druid vs Spell Druid. An exciting battle between two people who didn't put win conditions in their deck, just 30 spells to try and complete the quest.
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Tavern mage is op.

The only reason why normal arena mage is not as strong is because arena drafting has gotten to a point where the high win decks almost always have lists that are good against mid level board clears.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

How this game doesnt have a ladder ban yet is beyond me. Spell mage literally cannot beat token druid. Its 100% impossible. And rather than Blizzard actually caring about balance, they continue to use the we dont care, you idiots figure it out yourselves approach.

I cannot wait for this shitty company to collapse. It will be so well deserved.

Why do you play? Legit question.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Spell mage literally cannot beat token druid.

If that is a match up you want to be favored in or at least less-unfavored in then feel free to tech in some cards to help the match up. But in doing so some of your other matchups Will likely take a hit.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

No other card game has a good player base, and it?s fun 95% of the time. In most other games you?re waiting 3-5 minutes for a match.

How many games do you play if your complaining only encompasses 5% of games yet you post about them multiple times a day.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Spell mage literally cannot beat token druid.

If that is a match up you want to be favored in or at least less-unfavored in then feel free to tech in some cards to help the match up. But in doing so some of your other matchups Will likely take a hit.

It usually takes an opponent playing sub-optimally or drawing poorly for Control Mage to have a real chance.

I tech a single Abomination, which has helped, and it's something that isn't absolutely terrible in other matchups.
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It depends on who gets what first, does the Mage get Lich King or does the Druid get a wispering woods and soul turn

In most cases its the latter just because of druids Ramp and card draw that being said its not Mages worst matchup (Shudderwock is worse) and its not Token Druids Best (it does better against Odd Paladin)
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