Board 8 > Chris Hardwick (Nerdist)'s career might be finished.

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Tomba42 posted...

Did everyone who is saying she should just leave even finish the article? She did leave and then he and a cohort conspired to sabotage her life and career. I mean fuck.

I did
Everything from that point is indefensible if it's true
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Nanis23 posted...

But if his career get hurt in any way because of this, this is uncalled for

Oh hey, we figured out why Nanis is being such a Nanis.
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Hardwick's career is hosting shows that talk about other shows. Let's not pretend that it isn't a career that's relatively valueless. He's a parasite feeding on greater creative minds.
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Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

"Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established."

I stopped reading there. I'm sorry I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who gets themselves in a bad relationship FROM THE START and wonders why things got so bad down the road.

She's not asking that you feel sorry for her, she's trying to bring awareness for other people who have or may in the future run into this, to learn from her mistakes.

Most relationships don't work out and they typically end badly. The relationship is over...move on. Learn from it. Look at what wrong. What did he do wrong and more importantly what did I do wrong? That way you don't end up reliving the same b.s. but with someone else. That's kind of what she did here....but it she didn't need to post this publicly. Write it down...I get it it's therapeutic. Show your friends, family, or therapist . This seems like retaliation to me. Bring awareness for other people...lol no that's not her real intention here.
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But who will host the Talking Dead?
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guffguy89 posted...

But who will host the Talking Dead?

Does it matter
S9 will bomb so bad it will be the last
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Vlado posted...

In this case, the only one stopping the girl was herself! People have free will. Believing someone else must take responsibility for your own fuckups is immature. But this is a general fault of many people and I am not surprised to see lots of that mentality in this topic, too.

It's not an either-or thing. They both had free will. He chose to be a controlling abuser, and she chose not to leave. Both of them share the responsibility, and attempting to shunt it solely to either one of them is only getting half the story.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

The problem with all these harassment claims is that so many of them are proven to be made up, lying, or clear "please give me money" or "please fire this male I don't like yay girl power" claims. There are just as many men having their lives ruined by false claims as there are women having their lives ruined by legitimate scumbags, but you don't hear about those men much. That woman also clearly stayed in that relationship for money. Zero sympathy whatsoever.

Some girl just came out and accused a guy that died in 9/11 of harassment and specifically mentioned his pension amount. So because of idiot women like that, I'm automatically taking in these claims with a huge grain of salt unless there is stone cold proof. On the same exact day I read that 9/11 article, I saw some Princeton article accusing Einstein of racism 70 years after his death. What class. I joked when this garbage began that women would start accusing dead people of harassment when they ran out of living people to run down, but it actually happened.

I don't believe she is lying about most things
The blacklisting thing does seem a bit fishy though
Just how strong are his connections? how can every place she went to had a connection to him? and how come he said someone like "if you hire her, I won't do business with you anymore" and they were willing to let that slide?
It just sounds too weird to be true
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i figured you did if you were defending him!

I guess I was trying to think about negative patterns people get into in their relationships. I don't know who Chris Hardwick is.
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I mean, to be in the public spotlight requires a certain unhinged personality. You have to have huge ambition (which leads one to be very controlling, vindictive, or maniacal), and then when you find success, you get this massively overinflated ego from all the success. I mean, imagine being the kind of person who thinks you're right all the time and mix that will huge popularity and adoration from the masses.

I mean, we're all well aware of the addictions that plague young actors/performers, and older ones at that. And one may think it's just the pressures of Hollywood, but I think there's just a certain kind of person that can pull off that lifestyle, and it's not an average joe like you or me. Same thing with politics. It requires someone who is...just not quite stable, and that can manifest in many ways.
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Man fuck women but also FUCK women am I right haha high five ulti
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Nanis23 posted...

but "emotional abuse" is something I can't take seriously because emotions are the "victim's" "fault"

Emotions are a part of every human being that we cannot ignore, and sometimes it clouds our judgment. If you simply refuse to acknowledge that it's the case, then so be it. What I take such issue with is that you have this notion that somehow, taking advantage of someone's weak emotional state is not a "more bad" thing to do than being in a weak emotional state. It's like saying Germany wasn't wrong to invade Poland during WW2 because Germany had a strong army and Poland didn't, and that somehow Poland is JUST AS BAD, heck, according to you, WORSE, than Germany was. The guy was the AGGRESSOR here. HE was the one doing bad things TO HER. And she's just as guilty as he is?
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wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

Paratroopa1 posted...

wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

It's just me Ulti and Vlado
It doesn't count

Yet
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But guys she had every choice to leave

I mean the dude actively sabotages the lives of women who defy him and has a friend that has helped it do it, meaning this girl would probably have a pretty good idea he'd go after her as well, but that obviously doesn't count because ???
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trentpac posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

"Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established."

I stopped reading there. I'm sorry I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who gets themselves in a bad relationship FROM THE START and wonders why things got so bad down the road.

She's not asking that you feel sorry for her, she's trying to bring awareness for other people who have or may in the future run into this, to learn from her mistakes.

Most relationships don't work out and they typically end badly. The relationship is over...move on. Learn from it. Look at what wrong. What did he do wrong and more importantly what did I do wrong? That way you don't end up reliving the same b.s. but with someone else. That's kind of what she did here....but it she didn't need to post this publicly. Write it down...I get it it's therapeutic. Show your friends, family, or therapist . This seems like retaliation to me. Bring awareness for other people...lol no that's not her real intention here.

I mean, you already stated that you didn't read 99% of the article, but as it has been mentioned, he took steps to harm her career after she finally took action, so if it somehow isn't a warning to women in general about "Look out for dudes that do this!" it's at least a warning about "look out for this dude!" in particular. Even if part of her motivation were retaliation, can you really say it's unwarranted?

Your point about introspection upon the end of the relationship is certainly a good point, but why is it so wrong for her to try and inform other people about what each of them did wrong so that they may learn? In addition, this isn't your everyday breakup where introspection will fix everything after it's done. The dude actually tried to get back at her for leaving. After she took action, after she introspected and made the right decision, she still suffered. HE is the one who was being retaliatory. But again, you wouldn't know that because you didn't finish reading the article.
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limerence
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Panthera posted...

But guys she had every choice to leave

I mean the dude actively sabotages the lives of women who defy him and has a friend that has helped it do it, meaning this girl would probably have a pretty good idea he'd go after her as well, but that obviously doesn't count because ???

If she stayed because she was afraid of career sabotage, that would be fair. But that's not how it sounds from the article. Based on the article, she stayed because (1) she still craved his approval and (2) he abused her to the point where she didn't have the self-worth to realize "I deserve better than this kind of life."
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Emeraldegg posted...

Nanis23 posted...

but "emotional abuse" is something I can't take seriously because emotions are the "victim's" "fault"

Emotions are a part of every human being that we cannot ignore, and sometimes it clouds our judgment. If you simply refuse to acknowledge that it's the case, then so be it. What I take such issue with is that you have this notion that somehow, taking advantage of someone's weak emotional state is not a "more bad" thing to do than being in a weak emotional state. It's like saying Germany wasn't wrong to invade Poland during WW2 because Germany had a strong army and Poland didn't, and that somehow Poland is JUST AS BAD, heck, according to you, WORSE, than Germany was. The guy was the AGGRESSOR here. HE was the one doing bad things TO HER. And she's just as guilty as he is?

This is a very weird example
I mean, it's not like Poland could say at any point "stop invading me" or had any say in the matter
She did, she wasn't forced to. She just succumbed herself into doing it
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Nanis23 posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

It's just me Ulti and Vlado
It doesn't count

Yet

Don't forget esteemed user Trentpac (unless he's someone's alt I'm not realizing)
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Nanis23 posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

It's just me Ulti and Vlado
It doesn't count

Yet

yeah... it's not just you

Also I don't see anything wrong with retaliation, if what she says is true.

The guy ruined her life for years, then, after she left, he tried to ruin her career out of spite. Retaliation is 100% fair. See how you like it when your career is being ruined.
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Gatarix posted...

If she stayed because she was afraid of career sabotage, that would be fair. But that's not how it sounds from the article. Based on the article, she stayed because (1) she still craved his approval and (2) he abused her to the point where she didn't have the self-worth to realize "I deserve better than this kind of life."

My point is that in addition to what you are saying, it's reasonable to think with how controlling the guy was and with how she says he even told her he knew he'd be in trouble if she ever talked, she had reason to worry about the consequences of trying to get away from him. Which obviously ended up a legit fear. Anything that hints at the abuser screwing the victim over further for trying to leave just makes the victim more likely to stay and hold out hope that the abuser will change at some point, as that looks to them like the only chance they have of not being hurt by that person.
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Emeraldegg posted...

Emotions are a part of every human being that we cannot ignore, and sometimes it clouds our judgment. If you simply refuse to acknowledge that it's the case, then so be it. What I take such issue with is that you have this notion that somehow, taking advantage of someone's weak emotional state is not a "more bad" thing to do than being in a weak emotional state.

I hate to be that person, but isn't this the line of reasoning that physical abusers use?

"You made me so angry i lost control of myself"

Edit: actually i think I misread the post. I take it back.
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And the guy in the article is obviously terrible. There's no real reason in splitting hairs about it
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Gatarix posted...

If she stayed because she was afraid of career sabotage, that would be fair. But that's not how it sounds from the article. Based on the article, she stayed because (1) she still craved his approval and (2) he abused her to the point where she didn't have the self-worth to realize "I deserve better than this kind of life."

I think that people can have gut reactions about how people will respond to being dumped, even not knowing specifically what will happen. In this case, that gut reaction was borne out and basically proved her right to be afraid of leaving.
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banananor posted...

I hate to be that person, but isn't this the line of reasoning that physical abusers use?

"You made me so angry i lost control of myself"

yeah except that her weakness/lack of self-control don't result in hurting another person
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Nanis23 posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Nanis23 posted...

but "emotional abuse" is something I can't take seriously because emotions are the "victim's" "fault"

Emotions are a part of every human being that we cannot ignore, and sometimes it clouds our judgment. If you simply refuse to acknowledge that it's the case, then so be it. What I take such issue with is that you have this notion that somehow, taking advantage of someone's weak emotional state is not a "more bad" thing to do than being in a weak emotional state. It's like saying Germany wasn't wrong to invade Poland during WW2 because Germany had a strong army and Poland didn't, and that somehow Poland is JUST AS BAD, heck, according to you, WORSE, than Germany was. The guy was the AGGRESSOR here. HE was the one doing bad things TO HER. And she's just as guilty as he is?

This is a very weird example
I mean, it's not like Poland could say at any point "stop invading me" or had any say in the matter
She did, she wasn't forced to. She just succumbed herself into doing it

The point is that by your logic, Poland was "asking for it" by being weak, and that Germany, who was the one who wanted to have dominance over someone, can go take what they want and go "not my fault, they were weak!". In this case, by your logic, the lady was "asking for it" by being weak, and the guy, who is the one who wanted dominance over someone, can go and take what he wants and go "not my fault, she was weak!"

If that's really how you see it then I have nothing more to say to you.
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nanis rejectin' slave morality up in here

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

"Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established."

I stopped reading there. I'm sorry I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who gets themselves in a bad relationship FROM THE START and wonders why things got so bad down the road.

She's not asking that you feel sorry for her, she's trying to bring awareness for other people who have or may in the future run into this, to learn from her mistakes.

Most relationships don't work out and they typically end badly. The relationship is over...move on. Learn from it. Look at what wrong. What did he do wrong and more importantly what did I do wrong? That way you don't end up reliving the same b.s. but with someone else. That's kind of what she did here....but it she didn't need to post this publicly. Write it down...I get it it's therapeutic. Show your friends, family, or therapist . This seems like retaliation to me. Bring awareness for other people...lol no that's not her real intention here.

I mean, you already stated that you didn't read 99% of the article, but as it has been mentioned, he took steps to harm her career after she finally took action, so if it somehow isn't a warning to women in general about "Look out for dudes that do this!" it's at least a warning about "look out for this dude!" in particular. Even if part of her motivation were retaliation, can you really say it's unwarranted?

Your point about introspection upon the end of the relationship is certainly a good point, but why is it so wrong for her to try and inform other people about what each of them did wrong so that they may learn? In addition, this isn't your everyday breakup where introspection will fix everything after it's done. The dude actually tried to get back at her for leaving. After she took action, she still suffered. HE is the one who was being retaliatory. But again, you wouldn't know that because you didn't finish reading the article.

And you're taking everything that she said as fact. Relationships are messy, even the good ones...
The fact of the matter here is that we're only hearing one side of this. Hers.

I watched my friends go through a really messy divorce. They were both very good friends of mine. I basically told them that I loved them both and that if either of them need to talk I'll be there for them and they don't need to worry about me telling the other person what they said. And I didn't. They both ended up confiding in me a great deal. Soooo...

I learned a lot from their situation. They both did and said fucked up things that basically ruined thier relationship. Both were good people...but in the same breath both of them could've written a letter/article just like this and the other person would appear to be some sort of a monster.
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Emeraldegg posted...

The point is that by your logic, Poland was "asking for it" by being weak, and that Germany, who was the one who wanted to have dominance over someone, can go take what they want and go "not my fault, they were weak!". In this case, by your logic, the lady was "asking for it" by being weak, and the guy, who is the one who wanted dominance over someone, can go and take what he wants and go "not my fault, she was weak!"

If that's really how you see it then I have nothing more to say to you.

What??? no, you misunderstood completely
I am not one of those people that believe in "asking for it" (same goes for women that dress like whores, no I am not in the "they asked to be raped" idiots club)
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Most relationships don't work out and they typically end badly. The relationship is over...move on. Learn from it. Look at what wrong. What did he do wrong and more importantly what did I do wrong? That way you don't end up reliving the same b.s. but with someone else. That's kind of what she did here....but it she didn't need to post this publicly. Write it down...I get it it's therapeutic. Show your friends, family, or therapist . This seems like retaliation to me. Bring awareness for other people...lol no that's not her real intention here.

man it's like i'm reading the z. quinn drama all over again
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trentpac posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

"Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established."

I stopped reading there. I'm sorry I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who gets themselves in a bad relationship FROM THE START and wonders why things got so bad down the road.

She's not asking that you feel sorry for her, she's trying to bring awareness for other people who have or may in the future run into this, to learn from her mistakes.

Most relationships don't work out and they typically end badly. The relationship is over...move on. Learn from it. Look at what wrong. What did he do wrong and more importantly what did I do wrong? That way you don't end up reliving the same b.s. but with someone else. That's kind of what she did here....but it she didn't need to post this publicly. Write it down...I get it it's therapeutic. Show your friends, family, or therapist . This seems like retaliation to me. Bring awareness for other people...lol no that's not her real intention here.

I mean, you already stated that you didn't read 99% of the article, but as it has been mentioned, he took steps to harm her career after she finally took action, so if it somehow isn't a warning to women in general about "Look out for dudes that do this!" it's at least a warning about "look out for this dude!" in particular. Even if part of her motivation were retaliation, can you really say it's unwarranted?

Your point about introspection upon the end of the relationship is certainly a good point, but why is it so wrong for her to try and inform other people about what each of them did wrong so that they may learn? In addition, this isn't your everyday breakup where introspection will fix everything after it's done. The dude actually tried to get back at her for leaving. After she took action, she still suffered. HE is the one who was being retaliatory. But again, you wouldn't know that because you didn't finish reading the article.

And you're taking everything that she said as fact. Relationships are messy, even the good ones...
The fact of the matter here is that we're only hearing one side of this. Hers.

I watched my friends go through a really messy divorce. They were both very good friends of mine. I basically told them that I loved them both and that if either of them need to talk I'll be there for them and they don't need to worry about me telling the other person what they said. And I didn't. They both ended up confiding in me a great deal. Soooo...

I learned a lot from their situation. They both did and said fucked up things that basically ruined thier relationship. Both were good people...but in the same breath both of them could've written a letter/article just like this and the other person would appear to be some sort of a monster.

You accuse me of judging prematurely and yet you're taking her as doing this for attention as fact.
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Nanis23 posted...

same goes for women that dress like whores

lol
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UltimaterializerX posted...

It isnt blaming the victim to tell someone theyre in charge of their own life. If you stay in a bad relationship for money, you made the choice to stay.

this is really weird coming from someone who has been open about their own struggles with mental health.

also TIL you can't date a person with money unless it's for the money. she specifically talks about how this isn't the case but go off, you would know better.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

I mean look at the users involved. You knew every single one of their stances before they posted.
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Surskit posted...

this is really weird coming from someone who has been open about their own struggles with mental health.

Honest to god I would recommend doubting literally everything Ulti has ever said about himself. The only mental health issue I buy he has is serial lying.
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Nanis23 posted...

I just honestly want to say this - I do not understand "emotional abuse"

Then you shouldn't put forward an opinion on something you lack the capacity to understand.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

wow there's a surprising amount of victim blaming going on in this topic

I mean I guess it shouldn't be surprising but whatever

pretty much none of what the man in this article did is acceptable and it is not her fault for getting caught up in it

I mean look at the users involved. You knew every single one of their stances before they posted.

This is very depressing
I wish people here were more flexible with their mindset, but instead we have 2 "camps" all the time
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Always hated that unclefucker. Glad to see I was right again.
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Gatarix posted...

Also I don't see anything wrong with retaliation, if what she says is true.

The guy ruined her life for years, then, after she left, he tried to ruin her career out of spite. Retaliation is 100% fair. See how you like it when your career is being ruined.

True story I think this is the main reason she's doing it. The way the article reads I think she would ultimately agree in largely blaming herself for most of the earlier stuff at least, so I don't really consider it victim blaming to acknowledge this. Like if you're committing to a relationship with 9 oppressive rules 2 weeks in yeah that is definitely some issue on your end too. I think she probably would've stayed silent about all this if he didn't try to spite her in the end, because the large sum of his abuse she was entirely complicit in.

Which is completely fair and more power to her but in some ways kinda illustrates how the #MeToo stuff can be abused. Not saying it was abused here, but saying it was used as a tool to help achieve a worthy goal wouldn't necessarily be inaccurate.
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Nanis23 posted...

I wish people here were more flexible with their mindset, but instead we have 2 "camps" all the time

I'm flexible!

He's a scumbag and what he did was completely unacceptable. She was foolish and exercised poor judgment in staying with him. These things are both true. It is kinda mind-boggling that people want to assign all the blame to one side of the equation, as if only one of the parties had any agency.

(I understand that emotional abuse/dependency is a thing, but this guy is laying down ridiculous rules two weeks into the relationship bail bail bail)
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The controlling stuff isn't super surprising... lots of girls who are in love succumb to that kind of abuse because they don't want the relationship to end.

What's surprising is that his strict/psychotic "ground rules" were established 2 weeks after they started dating. That's either a lie or this girl is completely insane for not telling him to fuck off.
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Nanis has repeatedly stated that he believes you must defend men at all costs or else you are attacking yourself. He absolutely believes the world is Men vs Women. There are teams and you are completely illogical and mentally unstable if you go against your own team.

It's pure bio-social collectivism. He feels absolutely no individuality as a human being, only as a member of the Male team. This also extends to race but for Nanis it's much stronger with sex (vs Vlado for example who cares more about race).

When you attack Hardwick and other men for being sexually/emotionally abusive, Nanis LITERALLY feels like you're attacking him directly. You are calling Nanis sexually and emotionally abusive. You are stealing Nanis' peaceful life from him with baseless attacks on his character.
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Nanis I was including you in that statement.
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Nanis23 posted...

I just honestly want to say this - I do not understand "emotional abuse"

Do you want to?

Are you gonna be flexible or not?
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the only way to "not understand" emotional abuse is to live completely detached from any form of a society other people

nanis living in complete isolation finally makes sense of everything
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanis23 posted...

I just honestly want to say this - I do not understand "emotional abuse"

Do you want to?

Are you gonna be flexible or not?

Well that second sentence is emotional abuse and the opening salvo of sexual abuse so
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