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darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:17:56 PM #153:	Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... Webmaster4531 posted... I agree with Trevor on the first two points. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Gunpoint is a huge figurative exaggeration. It's absurd. On the third, if you wish to run a business you must treat protected classes equally. So at no point is a business owner allowed to refuse service to anyone? Never said that. You kinda did, unless you're saying that only certain people can be refused service due to not being a protected class, which is blatantly violating the equal protection clause. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901394810] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree with Trevor on the first two points. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Gunpoint is a huge figurative exaggeration. It's absurd. On the third, if you wish to run a business you must treat protected classes equally.</quote> So at no point is a business owner allowed to refuse service to anyone?</quote> Never said that.</quote> You kinda did, unless you're saying that only certain people can be refused service due to not being a protected class, which is blatantly violating the equal protection clause.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:18:29 PM #154:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Djl, respond to this please: TrevorBlack79 posted... I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Then we can get into how this: darkjedilink posted... If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that. is factually wrong. Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country. The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901394840] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Djl, respond to this please: <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with.</quote> Then we can get into how this: <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that.</quote> is factually wrong.</quote> Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country.</quote> The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/15/18 4:18:50 PM #155:	As far as SJWs are concerned, sexual orientation trumps religious beliefs, therefore the bullies weaponizing their orientation is a-ok. That's all this really comes down to, with the gay cake thing. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901394857] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>As far as SJWs are concerned, sexual orientation trumps religious beliefs, therefore the bullies weaponizing their orientation is a-ok. That's all this really comes down to, with the gay cake thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 05/15/18 4:19:35 PM #156:	Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:901394905] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:20:07 PM #157:	darkjedilink posted... Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... Webmaster4531 posted... I agree with Trevor on the first two points. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Gunpoint is a huge figurative exaggeration. It's absurd. On the third, if you wish to run a business you must treat protected classes equally. So at no point is a business owner allowed to refuse service to anyone? Never said that. You kinda did, unless you're saying that only certain people can be refused service due to not being a protected class, which is blatantly violating the equal protection clause. How so? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901394943] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree with Trevor on the first two points. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Gunpoint is a huge figurative exaggeration. It's absurd. On the third, if you wish to run a business you must treat protected classes equally.</quote> So at no point is a business owner allowed to refuse service to anyone?</quote> Never said that.</quote> You kinda did, unless you're saying that only certain people can be refused service due to not being a protected class, which is blatantly violating the equal protection clause.</quote> How so?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:21:26 PM #158:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Djl, respond to this please: TrevorBlack79 posted... I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Then we can get into how this: darkjedilink posted... If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that. is factually wrong. Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country. The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution. What law? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901395024] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Djl, respond to this please: <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with.</quote> Then we can get into how this: <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that.</quote> is factually wrong.</quote> Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country.</quote> The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution.</quote> What law?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/15/18 4:21:57 PM #159:	darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:901395055] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cal12 05/15/18 4:22:24 PM #160:	Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:901395084] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/15/18 4:22:40 PM #161:	southcoast09 posted... Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901395101] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:23:34 PM #162:	TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901395156] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 05/15/18 4:24:08 PM #163:	Uh. Yeah you can refuse. Political beliefs arent protected in that manner Why does this topic have so many posts --- DezCaughtIt AKA freakofnature30 Brockhampton makes me *saturate* <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:901395191] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Uh. Yeah you can refuse. Political beliefs arent protected in that manner Why does this topic have so many posts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 05/15/18 4:24:20 PM #164:	The Great Muta 22 posted... southcoast09 posted... Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol How is it different? ~~Its not~~ --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:901395204] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol</quote> How is it different? Its not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/15/18 4:25:10 PM #165:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Djl, respond to this please: TrevorBlack79 posted... I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Then we can get into how this: darkjedilink posted... If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that. is factually wrong. Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country. The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution. Then open up a business, violate it, and take your case to the SCOTUS. Because at the end of the day all your bitching about how unfair it is that equal protection civil rights are a thing won't change anything. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901395244] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Djl, respond to this please: <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with.</quote> Then we can get into how this: <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that.</quote> is factually wrong.</quote> Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country.</quote> The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution.</quote> Then open up a business, violate it, and take your case to the SCOTUS. Because at the end of the day all your bitching about how unfair it is that equal protection civil rights are a thing won't change anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:25:28 PM #166:	darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. In your ancap dream. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901395262] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> In your ancap dream.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/15/18 4:25:54 PM #167:	southcoast09 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... southcoast09 posted... Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol How is it different? ~~Its not~~ I am agreeing it's not different --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901395289] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol</quote> How is it different? Its not</quote> I am agreeing it's not different</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:26:52 PM #168:	southcoast09 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... southcoast09 posted... Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol How is it different? ~~Its not~~ What do you think Muta is saying "no" to? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901395345] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol</quote> How is it different? Its not</quote> What do you think Muta is saying "no" to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:27:45 PM #169:	Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901395385] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 05/15/18 4:28:22 PM #170:	southcoast09 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... southcoast09 posted... Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how. The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol How is it different? ~~Its not~~ Thats literally what he just said --- DezCaughtIt AKA freakofnature30 Brockhampton makes me *saturate* <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:901395422] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I loved asking liberals this during the debate. Theyd melt down and try to say thats different u racist!!1!!1 and failed to explain how.</quote> The answer is "no". Your gotcha isn't that effective lol</quote> How is it different? Its not</quote> Thats literally what he just said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:29:37 PM #171:	darkjedilink posted... And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple You can't actually. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901395494] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple</quote> You can't actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cal12 05/15/18 4:31:17 PM #172:	darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple. Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:901395586] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple.</quote> Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 05/15/18 4:32:59 PM #173:	Theres literally no point in having any discussion with darkjedilink. Treat him just like DE --- DezCaughtIt AKA freakofnature30 Brockhampton makes me *saturate* <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:901395686] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Theres literally no point in having any discussion with darkjedilink. Treat him just like DE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:34:41 PM #174:	DezDroppedFreak posted... Theres literally no point in having any discussion with darkjedilink. Treat him just like DE CE has gotten to the point I can't respond to anyone under that criteria. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901395772] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>DezDroppedFreak posted...</cite> <quote>Theres literally no point in having any discussion with darkjedilink. Treat him just like DE</quote> CE has gotten to the point I can't respond to anyone under that criteria.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:39:16 PM #175:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Djl, respond to this please: TrevorBlack79 posted... I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with. Then we can get into how this: darkjedilink posted... If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that. is factually wrong. Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country. The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution. Then open up a business, violate it, and take your case to the SCOTUS. Because at the end of the day all your bitching about how unfair it is that equal protection civil rights are a thing won't change anything. It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396037] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Djl, respond to this please: <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree 100%. They chose to participate in the economy when they opened a public-facing business, at which point they lose the right to decide who they do and do not conduct business with.</quote> Then we can get into how this: <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If you're arguing the baker is in the wrong, you're doing EXACTLY that.</quote> is factually wrong.</quote> Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> Do you not understand how businesses work? You still have to comply with the law. A complete free market where the company controls all aspects of business doesn't, has will never, exist in this country.</quote> The law is a blatant violation of the Constitution.</quote> Then open up a business, violate it, and take your case to the SCOTUS. Because at the end of the day all your bitching about how unfair it is that equal protection civil rights are a thing won't change anything.</quote> It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:40:21 PM #176:	Cal12 posted... darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple. Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination. He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396092] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple.</quote> Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination.</quote> He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/15/18 4:41:33 PM #177:	Cal12 posted... He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901396162] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote>He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. </quote> Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/15/18 4:42:15 PM #178:	darkjedilink posted... It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. You don't get it and likely never will, so all you're doing is yelling at clouds at this point. Fucking AnCaps are ridiculous people --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901396203] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. </quote> You don't get it and likely never will, so all you're doing is yelling at clouds at this point. Fucking AnCaps are ridiculous people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:47:12 PM #180:	darkjedilink posted... It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. How so? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901396471] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service.</quote> How so?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cal12 05/15/18 4:47:48 PM #181:	darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple. Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination. He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue. Thats some terrible logic there. I cant even begin to think how your mind thinks discriminating against the gay wedding isnt discriminating because they are gay. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:901396504] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple.</quote> Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination.</quote> He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue.</quote> Thats some terrible logic there. I cant even begin to think how your mind thinks discriminating against the gay wedding isnt discriminating because they are gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:49:30 PM #182:	Cal12 posted... darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... darkjedilink posted... Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of. They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow. They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple. Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination. He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue. Thats some terrible logic there. I cant even begin to think how your mind thinks discriminating against the gay wedding isnt discriminating because they are gay. Because he literally offered to bake them any other cake BUT a wedding cake? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396593] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, bakers should not be forced to bake cakes against their will. That goes for MAGA cakes or gay wedding cakes or literally anything one can conceive of.</quote> They asked for a wedding cake for their ceremony. Not a wedding cake with gay designs on it or whatever youre thinking they asked for. You cant refuse the same sale you would make to a straight person to a gay person. Its literally a gay version of Jim Crow.</quote> They weren't refused because they were gay, so it isn't. And you CAN refuse this service to a straight couple, so there's no argument that you can't for a gay couple.</quote> Youre completely misunderstanding this or being completely obtuse. Read the decision. He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Using the he could refuse straight people line is a fallacy cause he wouldnt unless they wanted something vulgar that he didnt want to do, not a wedding cake which they offer for sale. He refused to sell them the cake cause they are gay and were having a gay wedding ceremony. There is no better example of clear cut discrimination.</quote> He refused to make a cake for a gay wedding - NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GAY. It wasn't the people, but the venue.</quote> Thats some terrible logic there. I cant even begin to think how your mind thinks discriminating against the gay wedding isnt discriminating because they are gay.</quote> Because he literally offered to bake them any other cake BUT a wedding cake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cal12 05/15/18 4:50:00 PM #183:	Funbazooka posted... Cal12 posted... He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people. Two of you. Wow. Its literally the same exact thing. A cake for their reception. For being married. They are gay. He refused because it was a gay wedding. That literally is refusing cause they are gay. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:901396619] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote>He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. </quote> Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people.</quote> Two of you. Wow. Its literally the same exact thing. A cake for their reception. For being married. They are gay. He refused because it was a gay wedding. That literally is refusing cause they are gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:50:31 PM #184:	Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. How so? Do you not know what 'equal' means? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396651] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service.</quote> How so?</quote> Do you not know what 'equal' means?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:50:53 PM #185:	Cal12 posted... Funbazooka posted... Cal12 posted... He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people. Two of you. Wow. Its literally the same exact thing. A cake for their reception. For being married. They are gay. He refused because it was a gay wedding. That literally is refusing cause they are gay. No, it isn't. That's like saying refusing service to a feminist rally is refusing service to women. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396671] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote>He refused to make them the cake when he found out it was for a gay wedding ceremony. </quote> Which is distinct from refusing to bake goods simply because they are gay. Gay people should be protected from discrimination but ceremonies aren't people.</quote> Two of you. Wow. Its literally the same exact thing. A cake for their reception. For being married. They are gay. He refused because it was a gay wedding. That literally is refusing cause they are gay.</quote> No, it isn't. That's like saying refusing service to a feminist rally is refusing service to women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/15/18 4:52:03 PM #186:	darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:901396732] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:53:23 PM #187:	TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396793] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency.</quote> So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 05/15/18 4:54:17 PM #188:	darkjedilink posted... Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service. How so? Do you not know what 'equal' means? That's just a name for the clause. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:901396839] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally not 'equal protection' if only some people can be refused service.</quote> How so?</quote> Do you not know what 'equal' means?</quote> That's just a name for the clause.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Laserion 05/15/18 4:54:23 PM #189:	Didn't they just refuse to letter the cake "Robert and Randolph" or whatever their names were? They were still going to make the cake. --- There is no "would of", "should of" or "could of". There is "would've", "should've" and "could've". <cite>Laserion posted [p:901396849] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Didn't they just refuse to letter the cake "Robert and Randolph" or whatever their names were? They were still going to make the cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 4:55:44 PM #190:	Laserion posted... Didn't they just refuse to letter the cake "Robert and Randolph" or whatever their names were? They were still going to make the cake. Pretty much, yeah. 'NOT CUSTOM IN ANY WAY!' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901396917] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Laserion posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't they just refuse to letter the cake "Robert and Randolph" or whatever their names were? They were still going to make the cake.</quote> Pretty much, yeah. 'NOT CUSTOM IN ANY WAY!'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/15/18 4:57:01 PM #191:	If only these Russian Redhats would spend as much time worrying about the rights of minorities as they do about the rights of bakers. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901396989] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>If only these Russian Redhats would spend as much time worrying about the rights of minorities as they do about the rights of bakers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 05/15/18 4:57:59 PM #192:	is it discrimination if they make a MAGA cake but they spell MAGA out with brown frosting so it looks like turds --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 94/99 Fishing. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:901397034] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>is it discrimination if they make a MAGA cake but they spell MAGA out with brown frosting so it looks like turds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 05/15/18 4:58:52 PM #193:	the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs. --- Playing: Doom (2016) (PC) *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:901397074] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 05/15/18 5:00:43 PM #194:	Political party isn't a protected class (aside from certain types of employment-related matters) and businesses have always been free to refuse to propagate a certain message. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Chosen Traveler/Forbidden Power/Divine Combo <cite>bover_87 posted [p:901397168] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Political party isn't a protected class (aside from certain types of employment-related matters) and businesses have always been free to refuse to propagate a certain message.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/15/18 5:01:36 PM #195:	TrevorBlack79 posted... The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. actually, the law generally agrees with him except in the instance of specially protected classes --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:901397215] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. </quote> actually, the law generally agrees with him except in the instance of specially protected classes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/15/18 5:03:59 PM #196:	darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first. Right. I can be refused a sale because I can't or won't pay for the home. I can't be refused the sale because I'm gay. Are you getting this yet? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:901397332] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency.</quote> So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first.</quote> Right. I can be refused a sale because I can't or won't pay for the home. I can't be refused the sale because I'm gay. Are you getting this yet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 5:06:06 PM #198:	TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... darkjedilink posted... Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights. When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. darkjedilink posted... Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market? if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with. No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it. The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency. So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first. Right. I can be refused a sale because I can't or won't pay for the home. I can't be refused the sale because I'm gay. Are you getting this yet? First, you said you're entitled to service merely for your ability to pay. I just pointed out that's false. Second, nobody was denied service for being gay. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901397445] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Merely opening a storefront does not entitle anyone to your property. You still have property rights.</quote> When that "property" is goods and services for sale to the public, yes, it objectively does entitle me to it provided I can pay for it. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you not understand the fundamentals of a free market?</quote> if you believe markets regulations are antithetical to a free market, then by your logic the US never had a free market to begin with.</quote> No, you're only entitled if you DO pay for it.</quote> The law disagrees with you. As does basic human decency.</quote> So by securing a home loan, you can start moving into any house you want? Nope - gotta actually pay for it first.</quote> Right. I can be refused a sale because I can't or won't pay for the home. I can't be refused the sale because I'm gay. Are you getting this yet?</quote> First, you said you're entitled to service merely for your ability to pay. I just pointed out that's false. Second, nobody was denied service for being gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 5:07:06 PM #199:	Giant_Aspirin posted... the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs. I am. First Amendment explicitly allows it. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901397503] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs.</quote> I am. First Amendment explicitly allows it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/15/18 5:08:52 PM #200:	Giant_Aspirin posted... the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs. --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901397612] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/15/18 5:08:53 PM #201:	darkjedilink posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs. I am. First Amendment explicitly allows it. Nope. Your AnCap utopia will never be a reality in this country. Go move to Somalia if you love it so much. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901397616] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the folks who support the bakers refusing the cake for the gay wedding should be perfectly fine with Muslims refusing things based on beliefs -- ie refusing to pick up a single woman in a cab because its against his beliefs.</quote> I am. First Amendment explicitly allows it.</quote> Nope. Your AnCap utopia will never be a reality in this country. Go move to Somalia if you love it so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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