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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:21:52 PM #1: |
I do not see why not
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VandorLee 05/15/18 1:22:29 PM #2: |
No.
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UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:22:52 PM #3: |
Sure, political people aren't a protected class
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Poiuyt 05/15/18 1:22:54 PM #4: |
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TheBiggerWiggle 05/15/18 1:23:37 PM #5: |
Yes, they can refuse.
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Fam_Fam 05/15/18 1:23:42 PM #6: |
it should be illegal to make that cake
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:24:30 PM #7: |
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it should be illegal to make that cake So, fuck the First Amendment? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:25:01 PM #8: |
UnknownLurker posted...
Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. Nobody should be forced to create something they don't approve of. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sayoria 05/15/18 1:25:03 PM #9: |
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eston 05/15/18 1:25:16 PM #10: |
Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake?
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BLAKUboy 05/15/18 1:25:23 PM #11: |
TheBiggerWiggle posted...
Yes, they can refuse. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:25:41 PM #12: |
darkjedilink posted...
UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class This isn't the first amendment though. At all. --- But Why? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 05/15/18 1:27:51 PM #13: |
can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?
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sktgamer_13dude 05/15/18 1:28:40 PM #14: |
Yes.
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DifferentialEquation 05/15/18 1:29:07 PM #15: |
I will regard any baker who refuses to make a MAGA cake as a traitor and a threat to the republic.
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:29:47 PM #16: |
UnknownLurker posted...
darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 05/15/18 1:31:02 PM #17: |
eston posted...
Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake? Make America Gay Again! --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/M1TnV8w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 05/15/18 1:31:29 PM #18: |
It would depend on state law.
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A_Good_Boy 05/15/18 1:32:10 PM #19: |
JE19426 posted...
It would depend on state law. Which state? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:32:13 PM #20: |
darkjedilink posted...
UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay. --- But Why? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 05/15/18 1:35:03 PM #21: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:36:49 PM #22: |
UnknownLurker posted...
darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:40:38 PM #23: |
darkjedilink posted...
UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class It wasn't a gay custom cake. It was a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery advertised that they made wedding cakes. It's not like the cake said anything special on it. --- But Why? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:45:53 PM #24: |
UnknownLurker posted...
darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...darkjedilink posted...UnknownLurker posted...Sure, political people aren't a protected class A wedding cake IS a custom cake. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 05/15/18 1:48:09 PM #25: |
darkjedilink posted...
How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:49:03 PM #26: |
Caution999 posted...
can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I wonder --- Hi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:49:37 PM #27: |
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted... Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jmikla 05/15/18 1:51:56 PM #30: |
Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty.
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uwnim 05/15/18 1:52:16 PM #31: |
darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...darkjedilink posted... Right, that is what I am saying. If they disagree with the work itself, then it is fine. If they disagree with who it is for, then it may or may not be. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:52:18 PM #32: |
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A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them Are all wedding cakes the exact same? --- Hi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:53:15 PM #33: |
Conflict posted...
A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them So a cake that they decorate from scratch, taking multiple days to create, isn't custom? Are you really suggesting they had a bunch of cakes pre-made in boxes in the back? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:53:43 PM #34: |
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...uwnim posted...darkjedilink posted... Nope. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:54:18 PM #35: |
MedzXVIII posted...
Conflict posted...A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them Apparently. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 05/15/18 1:56:32 PM #38: |
I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker.
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uwnim 05/15/18 1:56:38 PM #39: |
darkjedilink posted...
Conflict posted...A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them That is made to order. If a cake place has say a basic design catalog and someone picks a cake out of it without making changes, then it wouldn't be a custom cake. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:56:43 PM #40: |
Conflict posted...
jmikla posted...Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty. So they only sell one style of wedding cake? --- Hi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cal12 05/15/18 1:57:58 PM #43: |
You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay.
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:59:11 PM #44: |
Cal12 posted...
You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay. They didn't refuse to make them a cake. They refused to decorate it as a wedding cake. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:59:29 PM #45: |
fenderbender321 posted...
All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" what if they want the cake to say happy gay wedding or something? --- Hi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 05/15/18 1:59:55 PM #47: |
fenderbender321 posted...
All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" Generally you order the toppers from a catalogue and they have a whole variety of options including same sex, so this wouldn't make much sense unless they just want to give every customer way fewer options. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 2:00:20 PM #50: |
eston posted...
I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker. Two dudes at the top is intrinsically different. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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