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MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:21:52 PM #1:	I do not see why not --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901384459] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>I do not see why not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 05/15/18 1:22:29 PM #2:	No. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:901384503] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:22:52 PM #3:	Sure, political people aren't a protected class --- But Why? <cite>UnknownLurker posted [p:901384526] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poiuyt 05/15/18 1:22:54 PM #4:	Isn't religious discrimination allowed again for business owners? --- https://imgur.com/pj1636D <cite>Poiuyt posted [p:901384529] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Isn't religious discrimination allowed again for business owners?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 05/15/18 1:23:37 PM #5:	Yes, they can refuse. "Dumbass" is not a protected class. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:901384587] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Yes, they can refuse. "Dumbass" is not a protected class.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/15/18 1:23:42 PM #6:	it should be illegal to make that cake <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:901384594] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>it should be illegal to make that cake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:24:30 PM #7:	Fam_Fam posted... it should be illegal to make that cake So, fuck the First Amendment? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901384641] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>it should be illegal to make that cake</quote> So, fuck the First Amendment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:25:01 PM #8:	UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. Nobody should be forced to create something they don't approve of. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901384668] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. Nobody should be forced to create something they don't approve of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 05/15/18 1:25:03 PM #9:	Yes. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:901384670] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/15/18 1:25:16 PM #10:	Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake? --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:901384682] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 05/15/18 1:25:23 PM #11:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... Yes, they can refuse. "Dumbass" is not a protected class. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:901384687] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, they can refuse. "Dumbass" is not a protected class.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:25:41 PM #12:	darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. --- But Why? <cite>UnknownLurker posted [p:901384710] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 05/15/18 1:27:51 PM #13:	can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:901384825] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 05/15/18 1:28:40 PM #14:	Yes. Political party isnt a protected class. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:901384872] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Yes. Political party isnt a protected class.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/15/18 1:29:07 PM #15:	I will regard any baker who refuses to make a MAGA cake as a traitor and a threat to the republic. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:901384897] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>I will regard any baker who refuses to make a MAGA cake as a traitor and a threat to the republic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:29:47 PM #16:	UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901384945] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 05/15/18 1:31:02 PM #17:	eston posted... Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake? Make America Gay Again! --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/M1TnV8w <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:901385018] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Can a baker refuse to make a gay MAGA cake?</quote> Make America Gay Again!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/15/18 1:31:29 PM #18:	It would depend on state law. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:901385040] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>It would depend on state law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 05/15/18 1:32:10 PM #19:	JE19426 posted... It would depend on state law. Which state? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:901385081] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>It would depend on state law.</quote> Which state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:32:13 PM #20:	darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay. --- But Why? <cite>UnknownLurker posted [p:901385086] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue.</quote> How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/15/18 1:35:03 PM #21:	A_Good_Boy posted... Which state? Why are you asking me? I didn't make the hypothetical. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:901385225] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>Which state? </quote> Why are you asking me? I didn't make the hypothetical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:36:49 PM #22:	UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay. That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901385332] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue.</quote> How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay.</quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnknownLurker 05/15/18 1:40:38 PM #23:	darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay. That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. It wasn't a gay custom cake. It was a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery advertised that they made wedding cakes. It's not like the cake said anything special on it. --- But Why? <cite>UnknownLurker posted [p:901385525] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue.</quote> How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay.</quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> It wasn't a gay custom cake. It was a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery advertised that they made wedding cakes. It's not like the cake said anything special on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:45:53 PM #24:	UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... darkjedilink posted... UnknownLurker posted... Sure, political people aren't a protected class Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment. This isn't the first amendment though. At all. A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue. How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay. That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. It wasn't a gay custom cake. It was a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery advertised that they made wedding cakes. It's not like the cake said anything special on it. A wedding cake IS a custom cake. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901385812] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnknownLurker posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, political people aren't a protected class</quote> Protected classes don't trump the First Amendment.</quote> This isn't the first amendment though. At all.</quote> A custom cake is most definitely a First Amendment issue.</quote> How so? No one is stopping the customers from decorating the cake. The bakers just refuse to do so. This is completely different from the couple turned down for actually being gay.</quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> It wasn't a gay custom cake. It was a wedding cake for a gay couple. The bakery advertised that they made wedding cakes. It's not like the cake said anything special on it.</quote> A wedding cake IS a custom cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/15/18 1:48:09 PM #25:	darkjedilink posted... That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901385964] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:49:03 PM #26:	Caution999 posted... can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake? I wonder --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901386018] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>can a Muslim bakery refuse to make a gay wedding cake?</quote> I wonder</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:49:37 PM #27:	uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions. Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386050] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions.</quote> Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jmikla 05/15/18 1:51:56 PM #30:	Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty. --- So say we all <cite>jmikla posted [p:901386187] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/15/18 1:52:16 PM #31:	darkjedilink posted... uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions. Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with. Right, that is what I am saying. If they disagree with the work itself, then it is fine. If they disagree with who it is for, then it may or may not be. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901386209] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions.</quote> Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with.</quote> Right, that is what I am saying. If they disagree with the work itself, then it is fine. If they disagree with who it is for, then it may or may not be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:52:18 PM #32:	Conflict posted... A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them Are all wedding cakes the exact same? --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901386214] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them</quote> Are all wedding cakes the exact same?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:53:15 PM #33:	Conflict posted... A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them So a cake that they decorate from scratch, taking multiple days to create, isn't custom? Are you really suggesting they had a bunch of cakes pre-made in boxes in the back? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386273] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them</quote> So a cake that they decorate from scratch, taking multiple days to create, isn't custom? Are you really suggesting they had a bunch of cakes pre-made in boxes in the back?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:53:43 PM #34:	uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that. How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions. Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with. Right, that is what I am saying. If they disagree with the work itself, then it is fine. If they disagree with who it is for, then it may or may not be. Nope. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386309] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> That's what I'm saying - the business owner has a First Amendment right to not make a custom cake. Your 'protected class' doesn't trump that.</quote> How I see it is if they wouldn't make the cake regardless of the group/class of the person who's asking, then it is completely fine since they are then objecting to the content of the cake which is a first amendment issue, if they would for some people but not others, then it is discrimination and protected class stuff applies and determines the legality of their actions.</quote> Nope. Nobody can legally be compelled to create art they disagree with.</quote> Right, that is what I am saying. If they disagree with the work itself, then it is fine. If they disagree with who it is for, then it may or may not be.</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:54:18 PM #35:	MedzXVIII posted... Conflict posted... A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them Are all wedding cakes the exact same? Apparently. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386343] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>MedzXVIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them</quote> Are all wedding cakes the exact same?</quote> Apparently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 05/15/18 1:56:32 PM #38:	I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:901386469] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/15/18 1:56:38 PM #39:	darkjedilink posted... Conflict posted... A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them So a cake that they decorate from scratch, taking multiple days to create, isn't custom? Are you really suggesting they had a bunch of cakes pre-made in boxes in the back? That is made to order. If a cake place has say a basic design catalog and someone picks a cake out of it without making changes, then it wouldn't be a custom cake. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901386478] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them</quote> So a cake that they decorate from scratch, taking multiple days to create, isn't custom? Are you really suggesting they had a bunch of cakes pre-made in boxes in the back?</quote> That is made to order. If a cake place has say a basic design catalog and someone picks a cake out of it without making changes, then it wouldn't be a custom cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:56:43 PM #40:	Conflict posted... jmikla posted... Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty. Too bad the law doesn't agree with you MedzXVIII posted... Conflict posted... A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them Are all wedding cakes the exact same? Are all cakes the exact same? This isn't an argument. The bakery advertised that they make wedding cakes as already pointed out So they only sell one style of wedding cake? --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901386483] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jmikla posted...</cite> <quote>Baker has the birthright to self-determination and can refuse as he/she wishes without lawful penalty.</quote> Too bad the law doesn't agree with you <cite>MedzXVIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>A wedding cake is not a custom cake and I find it amusing how you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that they'd have made a wedding cake for a straight couple but not for them</quote> Are all wedding cakes the exact same?</quote> Are all cakes the exact same? This isn't an argument. The bakery advertised that they make wedding cakes as already pointed out</quote> So they only sell one style of wedding cake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cal12 05/15/18 1:57:58 PM #43:	You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:901386567] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote>You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/15/18 1:59:11 PM #44:	Cal12 posted... You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay. They didn't refuse to make them a cake. They refused to decorate it as a wedding cake. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386628] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote>You cant be compelled to decorate the cake if I understand the ruling about the gay cake issue in Colorado. You just cant refuse to sell them a cake because they are gay.</quote> They didn't refuse to make them a cake. They refused to decorate it as a wedding cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/15/18 1:59:29 PM #45:	fenderbender321 posted... All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" Because that way they're not refusing service directly. It's kinda stupid how all these anti-discrimination laws really do is just make it so that you have to be crafty in how you refuse service. As such, they really don't do anything effective toward combatting discrimination. what if they want the cake to say happy gay wedding or something? --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901386645] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" Because that way they're not refusing service directly. It's kinda stupid how all these anti-discrimination laws really do is just make it so that you have to be crafty in how you refuse service. As such, they really don't do anything effective toward combatting discrimination.</quote> what if they want the cake to say happy gay wedding or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 05/15/18 1:59:55 PM #47:	fenderbender321 posted... All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" Because that way they're not refusing service directly. It's kinda stupid how all these anti-discrimination laws really do is just make it so that you have to be crafty in how you refuse service. As such, they really don't do anything effective toward combatting discrimination. Generally you order the toppers from a catalogue and they have a whole variety of options including same sex, so this wouldn't make much sense unless they just want to give every customer way fewer options. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:901386670] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>All you have to do is tell the gay couple "sure, I will make you a wedding cake. But we only make wedding cakes with one female bride and one male groom figurines on them. Are you still interested?" Because that way they're not refusing service directly. It's kinda stupid how all these anti-discrimination laws really do is just make it so that you have to be crafty in how you refuse service. As such, they really don't do anything effective toward combatting discrimination.</quote> Generally you order the toppers from a catalogue and they have a whole variety of options including same sex, so this wouldn't make much sense unless they just want to give every customer way fewer options.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 05/15/18 2:00:20 PM #50:	eston posted... I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker. Two dudes at the top is intrinsically different. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901386705] in Can a bake... [t:76609890]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I think what he's saying is that there isn't anything about a gay wedding cake that makes it intrinsically different from a straight wedding cake. I mean unless they wanted a bunch of gay stuff on it, obviously. It doesn't seem like it should be all that relevant to the baker.</quote> Two dudes at the top is intrinsically different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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