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HaRRicH
04/23/18 4:51:01 PM
#101:


A candidate ought to one day come fully out against the Electoral College. "A vote for me is for a vote that matters" or something.

I understand the truth to make the Popular Vote the official vote would be harder than making the campaign promise, but that seems like a good way to stand out and get voters to feel like they're being heard across the aisle. Couldn't be any harder for people to,buy into that than convincing people Mexico's gonna pay for a wall anyway....
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Dancedreamer
04/23/18 5:13:08 PM
#102:


I think more people's voices being heard is always for the better.

Which is why we need more than two parties, and a different system for presidential elections AND congressional elections. Honestly at this point all each party has to do is run as "Not the other guys", and they win. Just look at how the Republicans did nothing but oppose Obama's agenda when he was President.

For a lot of people it comes down to this:
-Which party supports women's rights, gay rights, and the environment.
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-Which party supports gun rights, traditional christian values, and lower taxes.

Anything else they do is inconsequential to so many people. Because the alternative, to them, is worse.
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Eddv
04/23/18 6:19:45 PM
#103:


HaRRicH posted...
A candidate ought to one day come fully out against the Electoral College. "A vote for me is for a vote that matters" or something.

I understand the truth to make the Popular Vote the official vote would be harder than making the campaign promise, but that seems like a good way to stand out and get voters to feel like they're being heard across the aisle. Couldn't be any harder for people to,buy into that than convincing people Mexico's gonna pay for a wall anyway....


You've got it backwards.

Someone with the political clout to do something about it should campaign to actually bring about that change and use that as a rationale for being president with that accomplishment as their resume
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ChaosTonyV4
04/23/18 8:51:06 PM
#104:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/384461-flight-records-show-trump-spent-night-in-russia-contradicting-what-he

Loooool the pee tape is fucking real, isnt it?
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Jakyl25
04/23/18 8:53:17 PM
#105:


Of course it is.

I think weve pretty much known since the FBI revealed that their own intelligence corroborated the Steele Dossiers findings
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Eddv
04/23/18 8:59:52 PM
#106:


Its gonna be a great day for america when the FOIA request for that tape gets approved.
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Paratroopa1
04/23/18 9:03:22 PM
#107:


The pee tape thing is so weird

Real talk, like normally, if you asked me if I thought the pee tape was real, I'd say no, that sounds like some really fucking stupid gossip. Even for someone like Trump I'm dismissing that claim outright. It's nonsense.

But then the way that he keeps acting about it is exactly the way a really shitty liar would act if the pee tape was real. So what the hell am I supposed to think
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Metal_DK
04/23/18 9:23:37 PM
#108:


Dancedreamer posted...
I think more people's voices being heard is always for the better.


its not always better, especially when people only use 140 characters to express their opinion (and people only wanna read 140 and make massive judgement calls)
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Forceful_Dragon
04/23/18 9:27:03 PM
#109:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The pee tape thing is so weird

Real talk, like normally, if you asked me if I thought the pee tape was real, I'd say no, that sounds like some really fucking stupid gossip. Even for someone like Trump I'm dismissing that claim outright. It's nonsense.

But then the way that he keeps acting about it is exactly the way a really shitty liar would act if the pee tape was real. So what the hell am I supposed to think


Maybe its more if that there 4D chess.

Maybe the tape is NOT real, but by acting like a bad liar he is intentionally convincing people not to believe him. And then when the tape is nowhere to be found he says "see everything they are saying about me is uninformed rumors just like the tape".
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Jakyl25
04/23/18 9:28:54 PM
#110:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The pee tape thing is so weird

Real talk, like normally, if you asked me if I thought the pee tape was real, I'd say no, that sounds like some really fucking stupid gossip. Even for someone like Trump I'm dismissing that claim outright. It's nonsense.

But then the way that he keeps acting about it is exactly the way a really shitty liar would act if the pee tape was real. So what the hell am I supposed to think


Its hilarious that he wanted Comey to somehow prove a negative that it wasnt true.

If its established Trump was in the country that night, theres no way
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SupremeZero
04/23/18 9:29:10 PM
#111:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Paratroopa1 posted...
The pee tape thing is so weird

Real talk, like normally, if you asked me if I thought the pee tape was real, I'd say no, that sounds like some really fucking stupid gossip. Even for someone like Trump I'm dismissing that claim outright. It's nonsense.

But then the way that he keeps acting about it is exactly the way a really shitty liar would act if the pee tape was real. So what the hell am I supposed to think


Maybe its more if that there 4D chess.

Maybe the tape is NOT real, but by acting like a bad liar he is intentionally convincing people not to believe him. And then when the tape is nowhere to be found he says "see everything they are saying about me is uninformed rumors just like the tape".


You mean like what he's been saying the entire time about the investigation, and no one believes him, because it's trying to prove a negative?
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charmander6000
04/23/18 9:54:05 PM
#112:


While golden showers are a huge turn-off for me, I don't understand why it matters if they are real or not. What goes on in the bedroom shouldn't matter (outside of illegal activities).
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Jakyl25
04/23/18 9:56:58 PM
#113:


charmander6000 posted...
While golden showers are a huge turn-off for me, I don't understand why it matters if they are real or not. What goes on in the bedroom shouldn't matter (outside of illegal activities).


In this case, it kinda proves that Russia has compromising material on the President of the USA.

And thats a problem!
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xp1337
04/23/18 9:57:02 PM
#114:


charmander6000 posted...
I don't understand why it matters if they are real or not.

Well, in this particular case, it would be the idea that a foreign government would have leverage/blackmail.
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Jakyl25
04/23/18 9:57:37 PM
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Not_an_Owl
04/23/18 9:58:57 PM
#116:


charmander6000 posted...
While golden showers are a huge turn-off for me, I don't understand why it matters if they are real or not. What goes on in the bedroom shouldn't matter (outside of illegal activities).

Because the GOP still likes to claim it's the party of family values, and if their president cheated on his wife with a couple of Russian prostitutes (especially in such a "deviant" way) it would be yet another example of Republicans being fucking hypocrites.

Not that it would have any effect whatsoever on their base. But it might just swing a couple unaffiliated voters.
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HaRRicH
04/23/18 9:59:09 PM
#117:


Kink-shaming is the weakest angle here, though it's also the most obvious. I'm no pee-fan either and will laugh the day it's proven true, but it just doesn't matter so much.

It's more about Donald being compromised by Russians and to a lesser extent his absolute disdain for Obama.
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CelesMyUserName
04/23/18 10:02:49 PM
#118:


Yeah the larger story is that it's held over Trump's head to compromise him

If Trump just said from the beginning the Russians recorded him with hookers peeing on Obama's bed I would actually respect him for not backing down to blackmail.
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Paratroopa1
04/23/18 10:15:30 PM
#119:


Well now it also sounds like part of the story is that Trump lied about not being in Russia which isn't a great look
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Jakyl25
04/23/18 10:17:26 PM
#120:


Just because Trump flew there and back in his plane doesnt mean he was there the whole time! Maybe he took a road trip to Finland!
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Kenri
04/23/18 10:34:22 PM
#121:


CelesMyUserName posted...
If Trump just said from the beginning the Russians recorded him with hookers peeing on Obama's bed I would actually respect him for not backing down to blackmail.

honestly though? same
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Eddv
04/23/18 10:36:41 PM
#122:


Yeah, I am with Para.

At the beginning I was pretty certain Trump wasn't actually guilty of all that much aside from his son being kind of a dick.

Now, I am nearly dead certain he colluded with the russians in exchange for unknown favors after he got peed on by russian prostitutes in Obamas hotel room.

And that's entirely on Trumps reaction to events.
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Dancedreamer
04/23/18 11:06:26 PM
#123:


Honestly I don't think the pee tape is real, and that Trump is playing 4D chess and there's something a lot worse and he'd rather people think there's a pee tape than to find out what really happened.
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StealThisSheen
04/23/18 11:20:33 PM
#124:


I think any amount of "Trump is playing 4D chess!" is laughable
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HaRRicH
04/23/18 11:46:50 PM
#125:


I feel like Donald playing 4D Chess is code for saying he likes DD chests.
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Jakyl25
04/24/18 11:14:47 AM
#126:


https://twitter.com/janelytv/status/988790539150540800?s=21

The Toronto van attacker might have been doing it...for the incels?
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 11:16:16 AM
#127:


4/22/2018
TWITTER - Sarah Chadwick (MSD 19, member of #marchforourlives)

Sleepy eyes is an anti Semitic term that was and is stilled used by neo- nazis groups relating to how to spot a Jew. Donald Trump just used anti semitic terminology against a Jewish reporter. Why are people not talking about this?! https://t.co/cy54ZEE92v

*IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP*

Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we havent given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!

https://twitter.com/Sarahchadwickk/status/988230952165040128?s=19


I never knew the term could be used as an antisemitic term before...seeing some snark that it was more commonly used from the days where Mr. Magoo and Mr. Peepers were relevant.
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Jakyl25
04/24/18 11:26:46 AM
#128:


I would say that its doubtful he knew it was a slur

But he did grow up with a KKK member father...
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SupremeZero
04/24/18 11:32:16 AM
#129:


Jakyl25 posted...
I would say that its doubtful he knew it was a slur

But he did grow up with a KKK member father...

It's an oddly specific term if he doesn't know it's a slur. Chuck Todd doesn't really look sleepy or some shit that would provoke it.
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Forceful_Dragon
04/24/18 11:50:53 AM
#130:


If Chuck Todd didn't happen to be Jewish then I would find it easier to believe it was an innocent expression on par with 'lyin ted' or any other such infantile moniker.

But even that, which is the best case scenario in this case, is still a pretty crappy state of affairs.

"Oh that? Yeah our PRESIDENT has a long history of making up insulting nicknames for everyone he interacts with. He wasn't specifically being racist, he was just behaving like a child who has to put everyone else down to feel superior."
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 11:54:52 AM
#131:


For those who don't know, Chuck Todd is Jewish. This insult either a bad-looking coincidence, or not.

Even if Donald didn't know, he does now and his reaction (or lack thereof) should be telling. I've accidentally used a word I thought was informal but not offensive before when it actually was, and I felt pretty strongly about trying to clear my name and let people know I didn't mean my use of the word like that.

I can see how the term in question wouldn't be widely known as offensive here, so Donald's got an opportunity to disavow it. Does he care to? And if so, we can discuss how much it matters, but let's see if he even gets to that point.
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Jakyl25
04/24/18 11:54:56 AM
#132:


He wasnt being a bigoted bully, he was being an equal opportunity bully! Thats all!
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Kenri
04/24/18 11:57:08 AM
#133:


Trump's best buds with some serious anti-semites so even if he doesn't know it's a slur (because he's an idiot) I'm sure he knows it's a thing people he likes call Jews they don't like.
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Forceful_Dragon
04/24/18 12:01:49 PM
#134:


Jakyl25 posted...
He wasnt being a bigoted bully, he was being an equal opportunity bully! Thats all!


Right, and let's not forget Melania's whole anti-bullying platform and how ironic that is considering who she married.

But to be fair to her it sounds like she's making a real effort of it, in spite of the damage her husband's behavior does to the topic.
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 12:02:20 PM
#135:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
"Oh that? Yeah our PRESIDENT has a long history of making up insulting nicknames for everyone he interacts with. He wasn't specifically being racist, he was just behaving like a child who has to put everyone else down to feel superior."


I think this is the main thing. Donald's our oldest President ever and comes with a history of racism. He's also our publicly rudest President in our lifetime. Some people will defend his insults and rage-tweeting, but when some old-school bigoted termonology comes out from those moments those people need to acknowledge they've defended him too far or demanded too little from their President.

"but jared and ivanka are jewish though"
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NFUN
04/24/18 12:04:14 PM
#136:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
He wasnt being a bigoted bully, he was being an equal opportunity bully! Thats all!


Right, and let's not forget Melania's whole anti-bullying platform and how ironic that is considering who she married.

But to be fair to her it sounds like she's making a real effort of it, in spite of the damage her husband's behavior does to the topic.

how
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 12:04:49 PM
#137:


Have you got a link for what Melania's done against cyber-bullying?
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Forceful_Dragon
04/24/18 12:05:24 PM
#138:


We tend to lose sight of just how unacceptable his behavior is in general by getting caught in the minutia of why what he did or said was bad.

People find ways to rationalize and defend the minutia, but they ignore the fact that his behavior is STILL unacceptable, even if you happen to accept the rationalization of the details.
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NFUN
04/24/18 12:12:10 PM
#139:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
We tend to lose sight of just how unacceptable his behavior is in general by getting caught in the minutia of why what he did or said was bad.

People find ways to rationalize and defend the minutia, but they ignore the fact that his behavior is STILL unacceptable, even if you happen to accept the rationalization of the details.

No not that. what has Melania done
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Forceful_Dragon
04/24/18 12:15:06 PM
#140:


NFUN posted...
how


HaRRicH posted...
Have you got a link for what Melania's done against cyber-bullying?


It appears I must offer a retraction.

She spoke again about her intention to campaign against cyber bullying as recently as a month ago, and there are articles about her speaking about the topic again:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/politics/melania-trump-cyberbulling/index.html

Buuuut, I appear to have been hasty in interpreting that to mean that she has actually done anything yet. She has not actually done anything of note in this regard. Her office hired a policy director in January, but her communication's director is quoted as saying that he is still getting up to speed (with what, I'm not sure) so there has been no actual policy coming forth yet.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/24/18 12:17:02 PM
#141:


NFUN posted...
No not that. what has Melania done


I was not responding to your post at that point. It was a follow up to HaRRicH's post 135. I was not expecting 2 replies to insert themselves before then.
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 12:25:58 PM
#142:


The clarification's appreciated, thanks -- her hiring a policy director is news to me, but that took her a year to hire and I've not heard of real action from her before or since.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/24/18 1:04:21 PM
#143:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Right, and let's not forget Melania's whole anti-bullying platform and how ironic that is considering who she married.


i still love her half-assed response when she was first confronted with this.

"well, my husband just lashes out super harshly when he gets attacked!" yeah, i'm sure the people getting bullied by him feel way better about it with that explanation.
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HaRRicH
04/24/18 2:47:15 PM
#144:


4/23/2018
TWITTER - Ben Rhodes (Obama foreign policy adviser and speechwriter)

Tom Cotton put a hold on Cassandra Butts simply because she was a friend of Barack Obama's that lasted for many months, through an illness, until she died without being confirmed. https://t.co/lB3hxgwAJh

*IN RESPONSE TO ADAM GOLDMAN*

The @TomCottonAR says Democrats, especially on the Foreign Relations Committee, are really engaged in shameful political behavior. https://t.co/tdcYtSbnOK

https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/988587512619847681?s=19

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LordoftheMorons
04/24/18 2:49:44 PM
#145:


Like all of the Obama staffers I follow made independent tweets about that

Something tells me they're not big fans of Tom Cotton...!
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Nelson_Mandela
04/24/18 3:48:43 PM
#146:


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/america-owes-jeff-sessions-and-rod-rosenstein-a-debt-of-thanks/

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Mr Lasastryke
04/24/18 3:50:18 PM
#147:


lol national review
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Nelson_Mandela
04/24/18 3:52:16 PM
#148:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
lol national review

I'm not sure what you're implying. The National Review is a highly reputable opinion journal.
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Eddv
04/24/18 4:53:11 PM
#149:


The National Review lately has been a great examination into kinky Stockholm Syndrome. Grasping at literally anything to celebrate as the ideals they cherish get shit on by a REPUBLICAN president.
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Nelson_Mandela
04/24/18 5:14:09 PM
#150:


Eddv posted...
The National Review lately has been a great examination into kinky Stockholm Syndrome. Grasping at literally anything to celebrate as the ideals they cherish get shit on by a REPUBLICAN president.

The National Review endorsed not voting for president in 2016
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