Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 170: The Title Doesn't Matter

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Trump could blow his entire foot off and nothing would happen

That's unrealistic thinking
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I honestly side with Seph on this one. As many things are there are to dislike about Sessions, things with the Mueller investigation could be a LOT worse if Sessions were to simply cede to Trump's demands.

Is he a PoS for other reasons? Sure. But we can also give some credit when it is in fact due.

It's definitely good that he's not doing more to interfere with the investigation on Trump's behalf, but that's not praiseworthy; it's a base expectation for the job.

The fact that so many in Trump's administration are doing less than the ethical bare minimum doesn't mean we should lower the bar for the rest of them.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

It's definitely good that he's not doing more to interfere with the investigation on Trump's behalf, but that's not praiseworthy; it's a base expectation for the job.

Nailed it.
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SupremeZero posted...

So we've upgraded from arguing with Corrik to arguing with Seph, I see.

Upgrade?
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I don't get it. Seph's gimmicks aren't even fun.

He went from his last one of "Fuck the poor, as long as I get mine, I just want war and I don't care what it's over because war war WAR!" to his "Patriot!" one overnight without even trying to hide it.

EDIT: Actually, wait. Seph's the one that just starts accusing people of having mental illness if they disagree with him, right. Those hissy fits do actually seem pretty convincing
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StealThisSheen posted...

Trump could blow his entire foot off and nothing would happen

That's unrealistic thinking

Something would happen.

Trumps an almost 72 year old man in shitty health.

He'd die of complications.
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Atleast he'd no longer be able to stick it in his mouth, eh? Eh?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

SupremeZero posted...

So we've upgraded from arguing with Corrik to arguing with Seph, I see.

Upgrade?

I mean, literally yes.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Seph's the one that just starts accusing people of having mental illness if they disagree with him, right.

yup. a grown man literally does this.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Seph's the one that just starts accusing people of having mental illness if they disagree with him, right.

yup. a grown man literally does this.

To be fair, I see more grown men doing this than children.
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So apparently today is Confederate Memorial Day in Alabama.

Does anyone else celebrate their defeats like the confederates?
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Dancedreamer posted...

So apparently today is Confederate Memorial Day in Alabama.

Does anyone else celebrate their defeats like the confederates?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy
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Dancedreamer posted...

So apparently today is Confederate Memorial Day in Alabama.

Does anyone else celebrate their defeats like the confederates?

Browncoats.
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Some schools in the south have off for today.

Fucking disgrace
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Peace___Frog posted...

Some schools in the south have off for today.

Fucking disgrace

As someone who lives in the South, I have some serious doubts about that. Unless they threw a teacher workday or Spring Break over it or something. The only single day holidays in this half of the year we got were MLK and Memorial day (the normal one).
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Presidents Day in February?
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Don't believe I ever had a day off for that growing up, and I wasn't really aware that was a holiday.

Not underestimating the pettiness and defensiveness of people still celebrating the Confederacy -- I shared the Memphis article recently where Tennessee took away $250,000 from their funding for removing their two statues -- but I'll want to hear more about this situation you're talking about.

EDIT: I dunno if that holiday is Alabama-exclusive or not. My experience is with TN.
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It's a state holiday in Alabama

https://www.personnel.alabama.gov/Downloads/StateHolidays.pdf
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Presidents Day in February?

Nope

I guess Georgia just doesn't like holidays in general.
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charmander6000 posted...

It's a state holiday in Alabama

https://www.personnel.alabama.gov/Downloads/StateHolidays.pdf

Fair enough, though Alabama is quite often the example when it comes to people thinking the South sucks in general. Funny how that works out.
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kevwaffles posted...

charmander6000 posted...

It's a state holiday in Alabama

https://www.personnel.alabama.gov/Downloads/StateHolidays.pdf

Fair enough, though Alabama is quite often the example when it comes to people thinking the South sucks in general. Funny how that works out.

So what you're saying is, Alabama is the Spiders Georg of the South?

Only it's Confederacy Georg instead.
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Sweet Home Alabama
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It's a state holiday in Alabama, but I think schools are open?

I know here last week our schools were closed, but that's cause it was Spring Break. Which feels really late, but idk.
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Did we discuss the mass shooting in Tennessee yet, where the murderer only had his weapon because his father returned it to him? By which I mean, the guy was at the White House, acted sketchy, and apparently threatening the GOVERNMENT is enough to have his guns taken away. BUT because he wasnt charged with a crime, the guns were given to his father...who just gave the right back. And now four people are dead.
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Espeon posted...

Did we discuss the mass shooting in Tennessee yet, where the murderer only had his weapon because his father returned it to him? By which I mean, the guy was at the White House, acted sketchy, and apparently threatening the GOVERNMENT is enough to have his guns taken away. BUT because he wasnt charged with a crime, the guns were given to his father...who just gave the right back. And now four people are dead.

The depressing part is that I'm actually wondering if we've talked about this one before or if this is another shooting we have yet to discuss.
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It happened over the weekend.
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I'm not sure why the father got the attacker's guns in the first place -- I understood he was older than eighteen years old. I also don't know why the father would give the guns back to him after this other than the "kids being kids" defense, but I foresee him getting jailtime for giving those guns back to his son.
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Hey, remember when Sean Spicer appeared at the Oscars or whatever and made jokes about crowd size and everyone was like "lol he's one of us now, let's forgive him for being trump's propaganda minster"

He's a regular guest on Hannity.
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I think the father should be charged with a crime. But I know a lot of 2A supporters who'd disagree with that.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Hey, remember when Sean Spicer appeared at the Oscars or whatever and made jokes about crowd size and everyone was like "lol he's one of us now, let's forgive him for being trump's propaganda minster"

He's a regular guest on Hannity.

I must've been taking a break from GameFAQs when that was mentioned because I don't remember that at all.

Him appearing at the Oscars and making that joke, that is.
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4/23/2018
TENNESSEAN - Waffle House shooting: 'Take these weapons of war off the streets,' Nashville Mayor Briley says

"We need comprehensive gun reform to address mass shootings, domestic shootings, accidental shootings and homicides," Briley said at news conference where Metro police, FBI and other law enforcement provided updates on the shooting and search for the suspect, 29-year-old Travis Reinking, who was still at-large Sunday evening.

"If we can all just come together for the greater good, we can take these weapons of war off the streets of our country," Briley said.

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Briley, a progressive Democrat, said, "tragedies like today shouldn't happen" but are "far too frequent." He noted it's been only since September since a gunman entered a church in Antioch and opened fire, killing one and injuring seven others. The incident took place less than two miles from the Waffle House shooting.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/04/22/waffle-house-shooting-take-these-weapons-war- off-streets-nashville-mayor-briley-says/540416002/?from=new-cookie

Between this and Nashville's previous mayor resigning under pressure from charges and an affair, I don't see the next Democratic campaign going well for Nashville Mayor.

Don't grt me wrong: preach, but they might have to count on the Big Blue Wave (tm) to maintain in the next election.
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Also, since I don't guess anybody posted about the shooting at Waffle House, it's worth noting:

1) The shooter was naked outside of a jacket he used to cover himself.

2) A good guy withOUT a gun wrestled the gun away from the attacker and made him run away.

3) Waffle House still beats IHOP -- I'll take my chances.
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https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lifestyle/education/colorado-senate-bill-seeks-to-punish-teachers-with-jail-time-should-they-go-on-strike

A Republican bill in Colorado wants to punish teachers with jail time if they go on strike.

Cause you know... no better way of getting teachers back in the classroom than by putting them in jail and firing all of them.
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Dancedreamer posted...

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lifestyle/education/colorado-senate-bill-seeks-to-punish-teachers-with-jail-time-should-they-go-on-strike

A Republican bill in Colorado wants to punish teachers with jail time if they go on strike.

Cause you know... no better way of getting teachers back in the classroom than by putting them in jail and firing all of them.

Republicans claim to be pro common worker and yet they're doing everything they can to take away the common worker's rights.
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Republicans are pro common worker being extremely underpaid and working in poor conditions

Most democrats are too

Paratroopa1 posted...

Republicans are pro common worker being extremely underpaid and working in poor conditions

Most democrats are too

And a good chunk of third party, too, it seems.
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I just started reading "What Happened?", and while I'm largely tempted to take Hillary's side, I can see why so many loathe her with a passion. Though a lot of that is because of the overall anti-liberal attitude going around lately.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Hey, remember when Sean Spicer appeared at the Oscars or whatever and made jokes about crowd size and everyone was like "lol he's one of us now, let's forgive him for being trump's propaganda minster"

He's a regular guest on Hannity.

He clearly got upset when Colbert called him Melissa McCarthy.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I just started reading "What Happened?", and while I'm largely tempted to take Hillary's side, I can see why so many loathe her with a passion. Though a lot of that is because of the overall anti-liberal attitude going around lately.

I haven't read the book.

Overall the election was so close that you can list a bunch of things in which she had and had no control over that may have had an effect. That's what happens when campaigns essentially start about a year before the actual election.
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Yeah, the margin in the pivotal state (WI) being less than 1% means that there were many things that could have swung the election (though most of them were spread out over a long enough time that it's hard to isolate the magnitude of the effects, with the notable exception of the Comey letter).

Ironically, not campaigning in MI/WI was not one of those fatal mistakes (it could have been, but Clinton needed PA or FL too and she campaigned extensively in each).
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I never faulted Hillary for skipping Michigan/Wisconsin. I fault the political system for making that a necessary move, but her going after PA was the goal she needed to aim for.

In hindsight, some of us got caught up in the excitement when she was trying to swing states like Texas and Georgia. She didn't need to do that, but then, maybe that was a good move in a world where Comey doesn't reopen her case right before the election. We'll never know now.

EDIT: about Michigan, she did push for having a primary debate there in like March 2016 so that's not nothing anyway.
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The thing that gets me most about Comey is that Trump was also under investigation IIRC, but nobody announced that. I can't feel bad for the guy when he's to blame for a lot of this crap.
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Campaigning in TX/AZ was probably an objectively bad move as far as maximizing odds of becoming President goes. It might have been smarter from an expected House seat perspective (though I haven't seen any numbers about that).
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HaRRicH posted...

I never faulted Hillary for skipping Michigan/Wisconsin. I fault the political system for making that a necessary move, but her going after PA was the goal she needed to aim for.

In hindsight, some of us got caught up in the excitement when she was trying to swing states like Texas and Georgia. She didn't need to do that, but then, maybe that was a good move in a world where Comey doesn't reopen her case right before the election. We'll never know now.

I mean, as far as a per capita system goes, Hillary was wildly successful. She won the popular vote by quite a bit.

And that has to mean something because conservatives have spent a long time trying to convince us that it didn't actually happen - that it was the result of voter fraud.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Campaigning in TX/AZ was probably an objectively bad move as far as maximizing odds of becoming President goes. I

The fact that this is true is precisely what's wrong with our electoral college system tbqh. "Who cares about democrats in Texas, we need the voters in Swing States more!"
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The electoral college system hurts republican voters, too - there are large swaths of republicans in solid blue states whose votes for president don't matter, either, just because they happen to be within sometimes not well-defined borders. The electoral college is basically nation-wide gerrymandering for no reason.

Of course, making sure that the red voices in blue states are heard means Clinton would be president, which raises the question, is it actually about making sure that the voters in red states have their voices heard, or is it about getting a result you want.

Paratroopa1 posted...

The electoral college system hurts republican voters, too - there are large swaths of republicans in solid blue states whose votes for president don't matter, either, just because they happen to be within sometimes not well-defined borders. The electoral college is basically nation-wide gerrymandering for no reason.

Of course, making sure that the red voices in blue states are heard means Clinton would be president, which raises the question, is it actually about making sure that the voters in red states have their voices heard, or is it about getting a result you want.

I can't speak for others, but I'm fine with red voices being heard on a national scale.

I live in a very conservative district. My voice matters on a local scale, but as for as the electoral college goes, I don't exist even though I've voted every single time since I turned 18.

I can imagine similar frustrations exist for conservatives in liberal districts. We're opposed, ideologically, but this is one place I want to shake hands with them on. Even if it comes back to bite me in the ass in the future.

I'd rather have my candidate fail because the actual majority of Americans voted against them, than have them fail because of the electoral college.
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The difference of course is that the electoral college ultimately benefits conservatives in liberal states, even if their votes don't matter

Campaigning in Arizona/Georgia/Texas made sense in a long term plan for the Democrats. It backfired here, but it can still be a long-term gain if Republicans don't regain their support.

Though as more red states become purple the more common it will be for Democrats to win the popular vote and lose the election.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

The difference of course is that the electoral college ultimately benefits conservatives in liberal states, even if their votes don't matter

This election it did, for some (considering that not every conservative voted for Trump and many never liked him to begin with)

However, I imagine it's still a frustrating feeling.
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