Board 8 > B8UCA Discussion Topic X-69: One Last Ride

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Can it be split 3 ways buy 13 take the lead on it. I can see where all sides are coming from sure. But throwing Tom and Eaed out of it completely isnt really that fair. But 13 is the guy he made Uca what it is in its best era. Wow look at that I complemented 13 lol.

Id hate to see Tom and Eaed out completely thats my opinion but if 13 is going to be a tyrant and not want to share well... so be it...

If we are going with the 13 is Vince thing that would make Tom and Eaed Stephanie and Shane in this situation Right? 13 runs everything on top but Tom and Eaed do alot as well. Grannet I feel no one will even care what I think.
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I don't think it's an issue of XIII deliberately being a tyrant so much as he just kinda winds up getting his way whether he's trying to steamroll or not, especially paired with people as laid-back as me and eaed.
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Well.. it up to you guys yo figure it out..
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Let me start this off by saying I truly forgot about my conversation with XIII and myself. Alot has happened to me besides the UCA in those 6 months.

And with XIII's track track record, I don't think anyone would blame (besides XIII) me for thinking that XIII was lying.

XIII_rocks posted...

eaedwards - 06/12/2017
That works good.
Do you want me to post? Or do you want to since you're the man in charge.
XIII - 06/12/2017
Yeah you can
I'm basically done with it
Running it, that is

This segment tells me that XIII was done at the time.
I mean I know how that reads to me but I don't know how anyone else feels. And he's trying to counter balance it with the word basically but to me if you're done you're done.

And let me say that I don't think there is a way we all couldn't work together but there is a gigantic fear from our side that we won't be steamrolled with your ideas. As Chris had already stated, it is evident that XIII already has plans for what he wants and I'm almost sure that it will benefit him and not the people who have been working hard in his absence. And I don't mean me or Tom, I mean the guys in the back ZSig, David, emerald, DP, Strife, Apollo, Sultan, emerald, Chris and Stifled just to name a few...

I would be perfectly fine with Sultans idea but is he willing to listen to us or are we just pawns?
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emerald's on that list once for participation and once for counting votals

fair
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Tom Bombadil posted...

emerald's on that list once for participation and once for counting votals

fair

Indeed, it totally wasn't a typo.

But seriously, emerald, if you see this post in this sea of post we can't thank you enough for counting votals for us.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Can it be split 3 ways buy 13 take the lead on it. I can see where all sides are coming from sure. But throwing Tom and Eaed out of it completely isnt really that fair. But 13 is the guy he made Uca what it is in its best era. Wow look at that I complemented 13 lol.

Id hate to see Tom and Eaed out completely thats my opinion but if 13 is going to be a tyrant and not want to share well... so be it...

This has literally never been my position. Tom is the one saying "XIII would take over because of his stronger personality". I don't want Tom out completely. Or eaed.

And with XIII's track track record, I don't think anyone would blame (besides XIII) me for thinking that XIII was lying.

Um, hold on, yes they fucking would? Do you think I'm fucking working you here or something? Are you conflating the RL5 thing with real life again?

I think this idea that I always go my own way and never listen to anybody is a bit of a misrepresentation. Because yeah, that did happen a few times. I've also listened to people a lot in my tenure and yielded fairly often. Remember that time Solio came back after an absence and seemed set up for a Mania match with DP, but wanted to - and I forget why - feud with GTM at Mania instead? I argued my side then yielded. That's happened a bunch of times that most people don't even see.
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So there we have it I trust 13. On this. I'm done completing 13 for 1 day

Back in character time

*You see Sultan cooking in catering*

*Camera Zooms in on the action*

GET YOU EGGS HERE EMERALD EGGS THE BEST SCRAMBLES EGGS, YOU CAN ONLY GET FROM THE SULTAN!

Also other kinds of eggs the Sunny side up Emrald when you break the yok it will look like the blood that runs from his face in the cell!

Or you can get a Emerald omlet the most disgusting Omlet that you could possibly imagine!

This Sunday at Excile we will have another huge egg sale! When SULTAN destroys the EGG! Tune in folks and see the match of the Night the chef vs the egg! It will not disappoint.

Later in the Night at Emerald's locker

*Camera Zooms in to a bowl of scrambled eggs with a not too Emereldegg from SULTAN*
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Here are my thoughts now that XIII has made his argument, while still taking tom/eaed's side into account. The following are not all necessarily things that either side has accused the other of, I just think it's easier to keep track of to keep it in bullet points because I get sidetracked in arguments very easily:

- I do not believe that XIII is coming back just because we're nearing the end being the sole reason; I believe him when he said that real-life circumstances led him to give leadership up back then. However, it does strike me as a little too coincidental that he wants it back now. Even if it's not what XIII intended to happen, I do think that this being the final run does at least have SOMETHING to do with it.

- I do not think XIII's argument, that "this last part of UCA will be difficult to navigate and therefore Eaed/Tom have no business accusing me of just wanting to come back for the good part" has any merit here. I believe that for all 3 involved, Eaed, Tom, and XIII, that being the ones to lead UCA to its final moments would be an extraordinary honor, regardless of the difficulty. I know it would be for XIII, and I think that eaed/tom getting so up in arms about it proves it for them as well. Therefore, even if it is difficult, that still doesn't mean that this last run isn't "the good part," because it is.

- I am leaning toward's eaed's viewpoint on the discord message, if the extra things he added on later are true. I know XIII was referred to as vince, as far as being the one you can consult, but nowhere in there do I see a future implication of taking back full control. I got more of a vibe of "I'll always be here if you need me for something." Furthermore, the "extra things" I mentioned, about that being the last time they spoke in private between then and now, I'm with Eaed that that would make it seem like "okay you said you're basically done, I guess now you're really done."

- I think it lends credence to Eaed/Tom's concerns that XIII is out for himself that (and I admit I am a little fuzzy on the exact timing of this) sometime after the end was declared, XIII basically said "I want the LW title" despite being one of if not the greatest UCA participant of all time (AKA overqualified), and he got it. I think they already made a huge exception for him BECAUSE of who he is, and how much it meant to him to "complete his collection." It comes off as the Lakers letting Kobe Bryant shoot a bazillion times in his final game, which I wasn't a fan of, but hey, like Kobe, XIII is one of, if not the greatest, at his craft, so on some level he earned it. He earned being above the game for a while. But for XIII to have done that and then say "that's not enough, give me more (the admin-ship)" seems...greedy.

- I do wish that all 3 of you guys could get along, and, because all my points have been against XIII so far, one for XIII is that he seems completely willing to work together and Tom/Eaed do not. Eaed seems more on the belief that XIII is being selfish, while Tom fears he would be reduced to a mere pawn in the game. What would happen, I cannot say, but I do at least give XIII a point there for being willing to work together, assuming it wasn't a mere front (I don't believe it was.) And that is actually really big for me because I hate that this is happening as it is, I hate that it's come to "it's me or him." (cont)
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All in all, I usually tend to go against the party who issues the "It's me or him" ultimatum. I feel that such an action usually represents an unreasonable selfishness. However, in this particular case, despite all XIII has done for UCA over the years, the fact is that leadership was handed over, and that Eaed and Tom have led UCA through some of it's roughest times. So I don't think they're being unreasonable by resisting change at all. Being who you are can only give you so much room to operate outside of the normal rules, at some point you have to be just like everyone else. Regardless of what either party thought walking away from that message, Eaed and Tom took over and XIII was nowhere to be seen, and refer to my third point for my thoughts on what I took the message to mean. I am in favor of them keeping leadership.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If we are going with the 13 is Vince thing that would make Tom and Eaed Stephanie and Shane in this situation Right? 13 runs everything on top but Tom and Eaed do alot as well.

This...might actually work? XIII overseeing the main direction but Eaed and me still getting to book the shows and have some say and a leg to stand on if we feel he's getting too railroad-y?

Emeraldegg posted...

XIII basically said "I want the LW title" despite being one of if not the greatest UCA participant of all time (AKA overqualified), and he got it

I will actually counter-argue myself here- in retrospect, I think it was a good fit for him at the time.

XIII_rocks posted...

Do you think I'm f***ing working you here or something?

you're HHH
I for one am never 100% sure either way
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although I am significantly more inclined to buy you here than I was before I saw the log
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XIII_rocks posted...

And with XIII's track track record, I don't think anyone would blame (besides XIII) me for thinking that XIII was lying.

Um, hold on, yes they fucking would? Do you think I'm fucking working you here or something? Are you conflating the RL5 thing with real life again?

Let's forget the fact that you used another account to pretend to be someone else (who had their own non-tainted persona) and you consistently think that this wasn't a lie. It's was a trick that favored you. And that is the concern here. But let's forget about that for a second. (Even though you probably won't and this part of my post will be the focal point of your retort).

XIII has been caught and called out on multiple occasions in multiple projects on the board for rallying. Save my Final Fantasy Character, UotY, UCA. Let's not forget that his most recent UCA rallying attempt and my real last memory of the XIII administration is when he rallied on Discord to try and beat ZSig and Eddv. An event that he called in favor of himself. Might I also mention that it happened less than a year ago. He claimed (and will still claim) it was not for himself but to prevent "doublebooking" at Mania. But there were clearly other ways to do that as I just went through the same thing with Tom and Strife with the Master of Taybles.

Again, XIII, willing to compromise and work together but you need to tell Tom and I your plan. If you would like to do that behind closed doors I have discord on my phone. Setup somewhere where you Tom and I can all talk together.
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I'm not sure discord supports three-way chats but there's always AIM!!!

wait
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I mean discord has voice chats at least, there's always that
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You can make group chat on discord or on the line chat thing
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I'm not sure discord supports three-way chats but there's always AIM!!!

wait

Too soon.. RIP
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Tom Bombadil posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If we are going with the 13 is Vince thing that would make Tom and Eaed Stephanie and Shane in this situation Right? 13 runs everything on top but Tom and Eaed do alot as well.

This...might actually work? XIII overseeing the main direction but Eaed and me still getting to book the shows and have some say and a leg to stand on if we feel he's getting too railroad-y?

I feel like this at least partially allows everyone to get what they want.

XIII gets his big ideas for the direction of the finale put in place. Tom and Eaed continue to make administrative decisions and book their shows.

This is the idea I am for.
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Or The Devastator takes all three of you on, and when he devastates all your asses he gets the Undisputed Championship and complete control.

Either works.
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I respectfully submit my resignation

There is nothing for me in UCA anymore. Good luck with the finale and thanks to the people I feuded with. If was fun.
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I wish you the best in your future endeavors :(
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Chris, the time we spent butting heads over the MM title was some of the most invigorating moments I've had in the short time I've been here. Thank you for that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I respectfully submit my resignation

There is nothing for me in UCA anymore. Good luck with the finale and thanks to the people I feuded with. If was fun.

Bye, Chris. Thanks for your help in this last run. Let me know if you're interested in an alumni showcase
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Let's forget the fact that you used another account to pretend to be someone else (who had their own non-tainted persona) and you consistently think that this wasn't a lie. It's was a trick that favored you. And that is the concern here. But let's forget about that for a second. (Even though you probably won't and this part of my post will be the focal point of your retort).

Well yeah because if you're conflating what is clearly an angle, a really cartoonish and ridiculous and over the top angle, with my obviously real position then that's completely ridiculous

And if you believe that has any bearing whatsoever on what is going on here then it matters in a big way, because it brings your judgement regarding anything involving me into question
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And then I read the rest of your post which amounts to little more than an irrelevant smear campaign and the reason for eaed's hostility towards me becomes a little more clear. It's just petty resentment.
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Also I actually want to book some shows, that's the problem

Could do what was suggested, but I maybe take, like...one Ruin and one Combat in each cycle, and an extra one of either in the Mania build. Leaving you guys with 6 or 7 each.
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I think a compromise is able to be accomplished. Tom and I have been thinking of some things but we want to know what you have planned. Like I said in the last post we can talk about it behind the scenes.
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I, won't speak for Tom, but I just want to make sure that you have everyone's best interest at heart.
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OK. I'm tired now. I'll set something up tomorrow.
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Deal.
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Hooray! Compromise!
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UCA Report EXCLUSIVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHz35ikAkY

[The UCAtron shuts off after the static plays. The lights in the arena go out. A spotlight shines in an empty ring. A voice from nowhere speaks.]

It has been a long time, hasn't it? So many have stepped in to this ring.

Achieved their dreams.

Fought for what they believed in.

Come back from the dead.

Traversed through time and space.

Over the years, so much greatness has taken place. But all great things must come to an end. A sad truth, maybe, but that's the natural order. Not that the UCA has been known for being all that natural.

[The spotlight goes out. There is only darkness.]

D o n ' t w o r r y .

I t ' s

N
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t

O
v
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r

yet.

[Everything returns to normal.]

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Ohhhhh SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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wtf is this the midnight channel?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

emerald's on that list once for participation and once for counting votals

fair

Indeed, it totally wasn't a typo.

But seriously, emerald, if you see this post in this sea of post we can't thank you enough for counting votals for us.

Also, I did see this, and I appreciate the love. Of course it's everyone who's helped when I mess up/need a day off that are also to thank, so thanks everyone! (lookin at you strife)
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bump
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Throws more scrambled eggs at Emerald!
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*throws more sultans at...Sultan*
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XIII_rocks posted...

Could do what was suggested, but I maybe take, like...one Ruin and one Combat in each cycle, and an extra one of either in the Mania build. Leaving you guys with 6 or 7 each.

this is probably workable
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Despite delay EXILE is here:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76110567
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*Purge monster is sighted hating Rusev Day

Purge monster gets beaten with sticks*
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eaedwards6400 posted...

The Great Compromise was reach last night. You will see booking from all three of eaed, Tom, and XIII. This week eaed and Tom will book. Next week it will be XIII, and then 2 weeks from now will be Tom and I will be booking again. This will alternate until the UCA is through. This will also allow XIII the honor of booking the last Ruin while Tom will have the last Tombat.

So for those of you looking for a more specific schedule it will be

Ultimatum Month.
Week 1: eaed and Tom
Week 2: XIII
Week 3: eaed and Tom.
Ultimatum PPV.

Rumble Month.
Week 1: eaed and Tom
Week 2: XIII
Week 3: eaed and Tom

Mania Month
Week 1 eaed and Tom
Week 2 XIII
Week 3 eaed and XIII
Week 4 XIII and Tom

eaedwards6400 posted...

Finally, Ultimatum is in the way and therefore, we have our first Ultimatum. Winners of the Singles title matches will have the first Ultimatum. That is they will have the honor of sacrificing their title for a shot at Undisputed Championship!! Then we will announce 16 other men to be in the Ultimatum tournament!

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eaed 6-7 Tom
Tom Bombadil is still the B8UCA Undisputed Heavyweight Champion
He was ahead pretty much the whole match, but eaed nearly forced a tie towards the end.

Stifled 9-2 Nee
Stifled is the new B8UCA LW Champion
And he immediately forfeits the title for an Undisputed Title shot!

eddv/Zsig 5-8 Strife/Apollo
The Kingdom are still B8UCA Tag Champions
eddv/ZSig kept pace most of the match, until Strife/Apollo pulled away at the end.

emerald 7-7 Sultan
A late triple-vote by emerald nearly tipped the scales in his favour, but Sultan came back to claim a bloody, brutal draw

Chris 6-5 Nick
Chris leaves with a great win.
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Well, I'm glad I refreshed!

DP - 2 (#39, #71)
Solio - 0
DP put Solio through two tables! Once on his own will and one on the will of a Sultan.
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MELEE MAYHEM Title Farce Results

gravy - 7
GTM - 5
Machete - 1
Stevie - 0
Stevie is the new jester

david - $3.05
XIII - $1.65

david is still the MELEE MAYHEM Champion
Congrats to david, but I've got some words about this
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Even though I didn't win, I'm still ecstatic that sultan and I had such a good match. Back and forth, unable to tell who will win until the very last...that's the kind of show these people deserve.
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So I don't know if you missed this but here's what happened.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

David

eaedwards6400 posted...

XIII

There were 7 seconds between those posts. Now, I'm sure you're thinking "so what"?

But remember the rules of a coin-eating match. If you get 5 votes in a row, you lose. The result of the match you see there might seem one-sided, but make no mistake - I deliberately held back on several occasions, trying to lure david's fans into giving him a lethal dose of coin-poisoning. He was close on several occasions, then Sultan fell right into the trap...only for eaed to cut it off seven seconds later. Because believe me, a vote for me when the opponent has a streak of 4 - or even 3, honestly - is tantamount to a vote for the opponent.

Now, I could believe this was a coincidence, but let's look at what has happened between eaed and myself over the last week.

-I sent a PM to eaed telling him I was ready to take back Ruin, as per a preexisting agreement.

-eaed unnecessarily plastered the PM in this topic - it's not that I don't appreciate the input from other users, but there's nothing about this compromise we reached that we couldn't have done privately. He evidently thought when he posted in the topic, support would overwhelmingly favour him.

-He used the resulting argument that happened when he did not win said support to launch a childish, fucking disgraceful smear campaign against me, which - hilariously - included the RL5 thing which I'm pretty sure only he is still angry about. Or was the only person ever actually legitimately angry about it at all.

-And after all that, I'm back in charge of the Mania direction and booking shows again. He couldn't refuse outright, as he so wanted to, because with everyone's reactions he would have seriously lost face if he refused a compromise. So his plan - to make this public because he thought everyone would favour him - backfired horribly.

-eaed and I then spoke about Ultimatum plans and he came up with the idea of giving champions the chance to forfeit their titles for an Undisputed Title shot. I spoke about my desire for 1000 days and how it would actually be pretty cool to have. How I wanted one last shot at the Undisputed Title and how winning the MELEE title would help me get there.

That's what happened this last week. Put it all together with the stip for my match with david and you have this. eaed saw his chance to take revenge in the pettiest, most pathetic possible way. He couldn't let me have that. Not after this week when I humiliated him - well, after he humiliated himself. He's never quite gotten over the fact that I created him, it pisses him off that I'm smarter than him, it burns his soul that I'm better at booking than he is, and all that bitterness and pettiness and small-mindedness came to a head.

Because when eaed tried to smear me, I kept quiet, but not now. He neglected to mention his own rallying that he's been a part of in the past, and that he was punished for. And those of you that were there for his Rumble win, which featured him and his brothers essentially locking out the match in the closing stages, know what they're capable of.

So long story short - the pathetic little man that calls himself an admin rallied Sultan to ensure david didn't lose via getting 5 votes in a row.

And for any of you thinking this is me "getting a taste of my own medicine", then you're just as pathetic as he is - because you obviously prefer getting revenge on me for some imagined slight over having an admin with some fucking integrity.
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Emeraldegg posted...

Even though I didn't win, I'm still ecstatic that sultan and I had such a good match. Back and forth, unable to tell who will win until the very last...that's the kind of show these people deserve.

Gives Emerald a nod of respect
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I have no integrity?! You're a fucking lunatic to think that someone has it out for you THAT badly! What in the fucking would could I possibly gain from "locking you out" of the Melee Mayhem title! Who in the fucking world is that petty?! XIII_rocks posted...

-I sent a PM to eaed telling him I was ready to take back Ruin, as per a preexisting agreement.

- I already admitted to forgetting about the "preexisting agreement"

XIII_rocks posted...

-eaed unnecessarily plastered the PM in this topic - it's not that I don't appreciate the input from other users, but there's nothing about this compromise we reached that we couldn't have done privately. He evidently thought when he posted in the topic, support would overwhelmingly favour him.

- I said in topic that I felt that I didn't feel like being bulldozered by your lunatic berating of me when I felt and how it looked that you were simply coming back to for one last glory.

XIII_rocks posted...

-He used the resulting argument that happened when he did not win said support to launch a childish, f***ing disgraceful smear campaign against me, which - hilariously - included the RL5 thing which I'm pretty sure only he is still angry about. Or was the only person ever actually legitimately angry about it at all.

-- Except you have rallied in the past and everyone knows it.

XIII_rocks posted...

-And after all that, I'm back in charge of the Mania direction and booking shows again. He couldn't refuse outright, as he so wanted to, because with everyone's reactions he would have seriously lost face if he refused a compromise. So his plan - to make this public because he thought everyone would favour him - backfired horribly.

-- Again, you're a fucking lunatic.

XIII_rocks posted...

-eaed and I then spoke about Ultimatum plans and he came up with the idea of giving champions the chance to forfeit their titles for an Undisputed Title shot. I spoke about my desire for 1000 days and how it would actually be pretty cool to have. How I wanted one last shot at the Undisputed Title.

-- Except it has been documented in topic that I am supporting you in your chance at 1000. Remember our tag title runs??

And those of you that were there for his Rumble win, which featured him and his brothers essentially locking out the match in the closing stages, know what they're capable of.
--No one said it was illegal at the time IN FACT YOU supported it when it favored your story telling!

XIII_rocks posted...
So long story short - the pathetic little man that calls himself an admin rallied Sultan to ensure david didn't lose via getting 5 votes in a row.
So you mean to tell me that a coincidence can never occur between Sultan and I. And that Sultan and I have this big bag agenda to take down XIII?! YOU. ARE CRAZY. XIII_rocks posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Not after this week when I humiliated him - well, after he humiliated himself.

XIII_rocks posted...

And for any of you thinking this is me "getting a taste of my own medicine", then you're just as pathetic as he is - because you obviously prefer getting revenge on me for some imagined slight over having an admin with some f***ing integrity.

I think you're the one that is fucking humiliating themselves to think that that I LITERALLY SO PETTY TO MAKE SURE YOU NEVER GET ANOTHER TITLE SHOT. What could I potentially gain from this?! Why would I give that much of a shit about YOU!
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God, my hands are shaking with rage with how fucking ridiculous this is.
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