Board 8 > The 2017 NBA Draft Topic: Fultz of Potential

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supposedly no more moves planned, they like the roster and it means Yabusele (sp) isn't gonna be stashed this year, which is a positive I guess.
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Wow, great job detroit, thats a steal
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trade marcus morris: get the best little-dude defender in the NBA at $8MM

trade paul george: get victor oladipo at $20MM and sabonis

fml
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Look at it as trading Bradley for Hayward because that's essentially what it is
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https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/7/7/15934734/2017-nba-offseason-avery-bradley-brings-versatile-offense-stout-defense-to-detroit

Very good analysis of the trade on Detroit's side.
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Tyreke to Memphis for 3.3 mil , nice pickup there cheao
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nba reddit has just informed me that jeff green was on the magic last year

rough times for you huh
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Oh I could have told you that. He got 15m for doing nothing. He barely saw minutes after the all star break

Harden signs the biggest extension ever to the surprise of no one.
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@wojespn
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

...did the Nets just win a trade?
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miracles do happen
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also another 76ers rookie gets injured

Fultz is about to be put on IR for the season bank on it
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topic title jinxed him
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Knicks literally the worst. Traded a guy for a bench warming draft pick soon to be on his way to Europe. Then sign back that dude for 71 MILLION DOLLARS.
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Ball with the triple double

and the Russell trade looks better and better after seeing Kuzma play
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Menji posted...

Ball with the triple double

and the Russell trade looks better and better after seeing Kuzma play

watched the whole game. loooove the way ball plays and kuzma looks ridiculously good for a 27th pick.

jayson tatum can get, and make, seem tough shots. problem is i'd rather have him taking and making wasy shots most of the time!
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iiaattgg posted...

I think the bradley deal was a nice pickup but drummond has lost all the wind in his sails and its safe to say the SVG project has been a failure

also their draft picks recently leave a lot to be desired

@iiaattgg

I definitely wouldn't call it a failure but it's not really a success. It's been largely a mixed bag which is kinda expected for any team not in the elite category.

He's been very good at trades, acquiring guys like Reggie Jackson and Tobias Harris for pennies and got Marcus Morris for a 2020 second rounder.

Free agency has been hit or miss. Guys like Jodie Meeks didn't pan out and Jon Leuer followed up a great first half with a pitiful second and never developed the necessary three pointer we needed. He resigned most players at or slightly above market value which isn't a huge deal but it's why we're largely capped.

Drafting is hard to judge because he's only gotten two lottery picks and one of them was less than a month ago. His first draft he lost the pick thanks to a Joe Dumars' trade. His drafting record isn't great but it's more incomplete than terrible.

As for Drummond he always had a questionable motor, as that's why he fell to 9th and why I wasn't super happy with the pick at the time. And if I'm gonna levy a major criticism towards SVG it's how much he's allowed Drummond to post up. It's one of the highest rates in the league and one of the most inefficient.

Mostly, Van Gundy is in the 4th year of a 5 year deal. The setback definitely sets a limit on the internal growth of the team but the Bradley trade shows a commitment to changing direction when something isn't working which plagued the back half of the Dumars era. I'm content with SVG for the next two years but am curious if he'll be good enough to earn an extension.
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Seems like Drummond was still a relative net plus compared to other realistic picks he could have made at that position.

Still think I'd rather have SVG with all the power instead of Doc Rivers.
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iiaattgg posted...

@TheRock1525

i guess where i get confused at as a fellow fan of a doomed franchise is how you still have any optimism

@iiaattgg

Are we doomed? We're a franchise that's won 3 NBA titles in my life time. That's actually more than most NBA teams in that same 30 year period.

I'm just rolling with the natural ups and downs of a franchise.
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voltch posted...

Seems like Drummond was still a relative net plus compared to other realistic picks he could have made at that position.

Still think I'd rather have SVG with all the power instead of Doc Rivers.

Oh Drummond is most definitely a net positive player thanks to his ungodly rebounding.

Problem is that he's a fringe all-star being paid like a superstar and that's why the franchise is in the shape it's in.
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iiaattgg posted...

@TheRock1525

i mean the knicks had hope 4 or so years ago. thats how quickly you can doom yourself for a decade plus. i dont consider the pistons situation as bad as new york, but its going to get a lot worse before it gets better

@iiaattgg

I mean unless Reggie Jackson's knee injury is permanent I doubt the team is gonna get worse.

Secondly it's hard to predict beyond a couple of years in sports. It's fun to predict dynasties like the Warriors but keep in mind both Green and Thompson will be free agents in two years. The Pistons lost their franchise player Grant Hill in 2000. Less than four years later they were NBA champs.
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omg it was driving me crazy that I couldn't find these Sess posts you were replying too until I finally realized they are in another topic
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the pistons do seem in a bad spot. they're not terrible but also have no real hope? none of their guys feel like they might blossom into something and they're not bad enough to get a high pick. they seem like an eternal 28-30 win team that wins 35-37 due to the strength of the east.
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So they're basically the Hawks now.
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sounds like a team in need of a process
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I'm fine with being the Hawks for a while.

Better than being the 2009-2010 to 2014-2015 Pistons, that's for sure.
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I mean some highlights of that era:

Tracy McGrady, starting PG.
Future Rodney Stuckey.
Rip Hamilton led walkouts.
Tayshaun Prince calling the coaching "buffoonery."
A 4-20 start to a season.
A coaching carousel including John Kuester, Lawrence Frank, Mo Cheeks, and John Loyer.
Josh Smith.
A 5-23 start to a season.

So yeah, I'll take a few upper 30's/lower 40's seasons, maybe things gel and they push themselves into the upper 40's for a season, but it's a lot better than the shitshow that preceded the Van Gundy era so I'll take the baby steps back towards respectability.

Also, I think you all underestimate how much the Reggie Jackson injury fucked up everything last year. He was so bad he was regularly being outplayed by Ish Smith.
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th3l3fty posted...

sounds like a team in need of a process

Let's wait to see if the first one works before recommending it to other down-on-their-luck franchises eh?
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Emeraldegg posted...

th3l3fty posted...

sounds like a team in need of a process

Let's wait to see if the first one works before recommending it to other down-on-their-luck franchises eh?

would you rather be philly or detroit at the moment?
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yeah the pro-process people are, unsurprisingly, celebrating a little prematurely

but that makes sense given how future-looking the process was
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Remember it's trust the process not trust the result
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I'd rather trade 10 years of being the Hawks, than tank not long enough, whiff and then become something sort of like the Magic.
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you have the evaluate the result or the process means nothing
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voltch posted...

I'd rather trade 10 years of being the Hawks, than tank not long enough, whiff and then become something sort of like the Magic.

Now let's be honest: the Magic do have 2 Finals appears in the the last two decades (although the 2010's aren't looking good for them.
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iiaattgg posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

th3l3fty posted...

sounds like a team in need of a process

Let's wait to see if the first one works before recommending it to other down-on-their-luck franchises eh?

would you rather be philly or detroit at the moment?

Also this is pretty obvious since Philly has 3 promising young players and Detroit has... 0.5?

Doesn't mean it'll work out, especially since one of them cannot get healthy. But like if you want to know who will win more games next year then it's likely Detroit.
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nah, I'd put more eggs in the Philly basket (health depending of course - and not Embiid)
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I don't know if the Hawks are a good comparison for the Pistons. Probably something more like the Bucks pre-Giannis. Good enough to maybe sneak in the playoffs or linger outside but not good enough to really compete..

Although I'd rather be a Pistons fan than a Nets/Knicks fan
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Philly was the league's worst offense and bottom half defense.

Rookies tend to be inefficient and poor defenders (save draft picks known for their defense).

They'll be better, but like 4-5 games.
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TheRock1525 posted...

voltch posted...

I'd rather trade 10 years of being the Hawks, than tank not long enough, whiff and then become something sort of like the Magic.

Now let's be honest: the Magic do have 2 Finals appears in the the last two decades (although the 2010's aren't looking good for them.

Oh yeah that part under van Gundy was great.

But they are also showing how easy it is to just botch a rebuild. But ultimately I do like consistently good franchises even if they get labelled chokers. At least those that manage themselves well enough, not poorly thought out all in teams like what the nets had a few years ago.
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I mean the T'Wolves have been rebuilding since 2008.
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VeryInsane posted...

I don't know if the Hawks are a good comparison for the Pistons. Probably something more like the Bucks pre-Giannis. Good enough to maybe sneak in the playoffs or linger outside but not good enough to really compete..

Although I'd rather be a Pistons fan than a Nets/Knicks fan

I'd like to point out that the Bucks had a step backwards in 2015-2016 after a promising year. They had big dreams after trading for MCW and adding Greg Monroe and finished, what, 33-49?
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Yeah, the Hawks are not a very good comparison. In the last 10 years:

Hawks - 10 playoff appearances, 8 years above 0.500, 1 conf finals
Pistons - 3 playoff appearances, 2 years above 0.500, 1 conf finals
Magic - 5 playoff appearances, 5 years above 0.500, 1 conf final, 1 NBA finals
Pelicans - 3 playoff appearances, 3 years above 0.500
Bucks - 3 playoff appearances, 3 years above 0.500 (well one is a 0.500 year)
Hornets - 3 playoff appearances, 3 years above 0.500

Timberwolves haven't made the playoffs since 03/04 and haven't had a 0.500 plus year since 04/05 but I guess at least they look interesting now? The Kings are in a similar position (05/06 their last playoff appearance and above 0.500 year)

I guess the Trail Blazers are sort of a good comparison. They have more playoff appearances (7) and more above 0.500 years (8) than the Pistons but they rarely make it past the 1st round (2 times), are fucked salary wise and are likely on the decline because of it (plus people around them getting better). Kinda just good enough to scrape in and not getting good draft picks but too many steps away to make any sort of significant jump. If anything they have just overachieved enough to shoot themselves in the foot.

I'm not saying the Pistons are the Hawks right now.

I said I'm ok with the Pistons BECOMING the Hawks going forward.
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I think most fans would be ok with that tbh. I'd take making the playoffs every year with the slim chance of getting a deep run. It's pretty much the best you can hope for with the current teams around.

no matter how bad it looks for your team, at least they aren't the Nets

well, unless you're a Nets fan. Then I'm so sorry
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Are the twolves really rebuilding?

Seems like they're just hoping to build something in the first place.
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Fun fact, over the past ten years Atlanta has the third best record in the East (literally one game behind Miami) and 8th best overall.

Yeah maybe we shouldn't be making fun of Atlanta.
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no, we should be making fun of them. Atlanta's a little skewed because of that one 60 win year and because they've managed to stay a .500 team for most of it. they haven't fallen off hard.

Trail Blazers have been a lot better than the east teams you listed - but, y'know, the east
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TheRock1525 posted...

Philly was the league's worst offense and bottom half defense.

Philly's defense was elite level when Embiid was healthy

so if he manages to stay on the court (which, yes, is a very big if), that's really not a concern

offense should be considerably better now that we aren't fielding the Ersan Ilyasovas and Sergio Rodrigeuezes of the world
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MZero11 posted...

no matter how bad it looks for your team, at least they aren't the Nets

well, unless you're a Nets fan. Then I'm so sorry

the nets are showing signs of digging themselves out. its still going to be a long time, but i think last year was rock bottom and this offseason was the very early beginning point of the very long turn around
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