Board 8 > The 2017 NBA Draft Topic: Fultz of Potential

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Here's the likely Magic roster right now for the record

Elfrid Payton
Evan Fournier
Terrence Ross
Aaron Gordon
Nicola Vucevic

Jonathan Isaac
Wesley Iwundu
Mario Hezonja
Bismarck Biyombo
Marcus Georges Hunt
Patricio Garino
Damjan Rudez
DJ Augustin
CJ Watson (likely be moved or cut)

Derrick Walton Jr may get called up I guess. Rudez and Garino probably D league it

hey now

it's the G-League now
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i think i could have come up with hezonja, gordon, vuc, payton, and fournier. i could have gotten ross and biyombo by deduction if i thought about who they traded ibaka for, i guess. had no clue that dudes like augustin and watson were rotting away there.

no offense.
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my 3 would have been Payton, Gordon and Biyombo

my fourth would have been Isaac. Orlando is the team I know the least about, probably.
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i don't think i could name anyone on the kings other than WCS. i guess they got buddy hield? all their dudes i do know are gone (but still in the league) - IT, DMC, rudy gay, darren collison, nik stauskas...
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Dirk signing that 2 year $10 million deal
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i don't think i could name anyone on the kings other than WCS. i guess they got buddy hield? all their dudes i do know are gone (but still in the league) - IT, DMC, rudy gay, darren collison, nik stauskas...

well i mean

they just signed Zach Randolph so you know him
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Dirk continues to take team-friendly deals while getting nothing in return from Cuban for it
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LeonhartFour posted...

Dirk continues to take team-friendly deals while getting nothing in return from Cuban for it

Dirk is on the wrong side of 40. No one is going to pay him big money and his image of being Mr Dallas is worth more than any meager pay raise at this point.
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dirk took like 24/3 a few years back when morey was offering 40/2. hardly insignificant.
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Dirk will never leave Dallas, but Cuban hasn't really done anything with all the extra money he's gotten from the discounts he's taken the last several years. If the Mavs are going to be bad anyway, might as well give him a little extra for his service.
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CherryCokes posted...

well i mean

they just signed Zach Randolph so you know him

ah true, i think they have george hill now too
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Ha, they already changed the magic over under to 36.5 shortly after the local radio station here hit the air and has torn it to shreds.

Slightly more realistic but I'd personally have pegged it at like 33.

i wish i'd wagered the under, dayum. the magic have been atrocious for half a decade.
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As much as it broke my heart to lose Cousins, I feel like we are in the best position team wise than we have been probably in a decade, which is crazy considering half our team is 2 years or less in the league
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I've always been on board with the Cousons trade and even said at the time that it was a good move. the shame of it was not getting more but I'll take Hield over a bad Oladipo contract!

Kings are all about the young guys now. they're like Orlando west but with more interesting pickups.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i wish i'd wagered the under, dayum. the magic have been atrocious for half a decade.

Yeah, I would have bet a small fortune on it if it was still available by the time I got home. I'd say 40.5 wins is the ceiling rather than middle. I can see an argument for making a small to decent improvement but 29 > 41 is huge.

Things we have going for us:

1. Rest of East has largely regressed
2. No major losses (Jodie Meeks is the only player we lost)
3. No major changes in roster. which hadn't been true last few years. Also second year under Vogel for entire line-up except Rookies and Ross so might be better suited to his system (Ross acquired at trade deadline so still benefits)
4. Looked a hell of a lot better post all-star break last year. Also suffered a lot of 4th quarter collapses which may have been mental or may have been deliberate tanking
5. Contract year for quite a few key players (Qualifying offers for Gordon, Payton. Team option for Hezonja). Some key players also hitting that 4th year as a pro where taking a step forward isn't uncommon
6. New management so might be better organised behind closed doors, more eagerness to play well (plus Hennigan likely had little respect)
7. G-league team relocated to Lakeland (45 mins away) rather than Eerie so fringe players can more easily get minutes

But I mean that's also a lot of grasping and might be grounds for like a 5-7 game win jump with the same players. Not a 12 game jump.

Olynyk to the Heat 4/50

good to see a superstar staying in the East!
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VINCE

here's the kings lineup last year

DeMarcus Cousins
Darren Collison
Ty Lawson
Willie Cauley-Stein
Kosta Koufos
Ben McLemore
Rudy Gay
Garrett Temple

and here it is this year

George Hill
Zach Randolph
De'Aaron Fox
Vince Carter
Buddy Hield
Willie Cauley-Stein
Garrett Temple
Justin Jackson

that's a crazy overhaul in one year
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Kangzzzz
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wait darren collison was still on the kings? and ty lawson?!? i do seem to remember mclemore and koufos...

... and they have vince carter!!! awesome!
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I really think more should be said about how they've completely remade their culture. are they better? talent-wise probably not but they needed that overhaul and things feel optimistic despite not really having any stars or assets.

hopefully fox becomes something.
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I really like the Kings offseason save Justin Jackson.

Also I can appreciate the massive overhaul tactic. I believe by the end of SVG's first full year in Detroit, the only players remaining from the Dumars era was Brandon Jennings, Andre Drummond and KCP.
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Oh god the Spurs signed Rudy Gay.
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I saw that. they feel desperate in a way they haven't in 20 years. I can't remember the last time they signed a gunner like Gay. maybe Stephen Jackson?
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twitter is going bonkers over the knicks dropping $71m on tim hardaway jr
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gay's not selfish and has no character questions though. LMA is a scorer, and so is patty mills who they just re-signed.

issue is that gay can't shoot 3s...
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yeah gay's always been the touchpoint of the older nba vs. the modern nba

I don't think he really has any value anymore. he can isolate and get a shot, yeah, but that's not how we play and definitely not how the spurs play
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in Pop we trust
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Pistons trade Marcus Morris to the Celtics for Avery Bradley.
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Also imagine this: Detroit essentially traded a 2020 second rounder for Avery Bradley and a 2019 second rounder.
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marcus morris???

the last player remaining who played with paul pierce and kevin garnett fetched us marcus morris???

what the fuck danny

transience posted...

I don't think he really has any value anymore. he can isolate and get a shot, yeah, but that's not how we play and definitely not how the spurs play

gay is probably a flatline type of player, but they're not worthless. sometimes you just need dudes who can soak up minutes. i think pau is at that point in his career, too.
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BTW, little secret but Marcus Morris is kind of a cancer.

Last year he:
A) Told a reporter that players don't defend as hard if they're not getting the ball enough.
B) Held a "players only" meeting where he basically chewed out Reggie Jackson and then the team followed that up with a 30-40 point loss where Stan Van Gundy literally said "players meeting, my ass" to reporters.

Like I have my issues with Reggie and I could imagine not exactly wanting to play with him but fuck off with that shit, Morris.
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Well, we needed a PF anyway I guess? and he's cheap. Probably weren't going to resign Bradley next year anyway because he and Isaiah are both hitting free agency.
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yeah, but the emotional value of bradley was very high, and as rock points out, morris isn't known for being a character guy. i seem to remember him quitting on phoenix when his brother got traded. and bradley is a better player than marcus.

ugh.
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MZero11 posted...

Well, we needed a PF anyway I guess? and he's cheap. Probably weren't going to resign Bradley next year anyway because he and Isaiah are both hitting free agency.

You got a PF that averaged less rebounds than Avery Bradley. Of course, Morris played SF for us but he's generally not a good rebounder.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

yeah, but the emotional value of bradley was very high, and as rock points out, morris isn't known for being a character guy. i seem to remember him quitting on phoenix when his brother got traded. and bradley is a better player than marcus.

ugh.

You got this backwards: Marcus was traded BEFORE Markieff.
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Dirk has a big Uncle Scrooge Money Bin pile of cash and having a little more to be on the Rockets for two years really doesn't mean anything to him. He has an MVP and a ring and the only thing left is the 20 year mark. His $245 million career salary could have been like 250-260 instead. They make so much this past decade that they can leave a LOT of money on the table and still be crazy rich.
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Yeah everything I've heard is that Dirk's main motivation is hitting the 20 years with one club mark.
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This made me laugh more than it should

New York drafted him, traded him away, and now they just gave him $71 million. The Knicks just have to do everything the Hardaway

if I'm a Pistons fan, I'm pumped. Bradley is underpaid this year, a desirable two way player that pretty much everyone in the league respects.

I don't really see the benefit of Morris - depth as an undersized 4?

hard to believe there wasn't something better out there.
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TheRock1525 posted...

You got this backwards: Marcus was traded BEFORE Markieff.

ah right, that's why markieff's contract was so good (21/3, IIRC?)

that's actually even worse, we got the less talented of the two brothers

the one that phoenix wanted to get rid of
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I feel like we needed to move Jae Crowder and add something to the frontcourt. We have like five guys suited for the wing. Also Bradley was awesome. ;_; kind of a bummer
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i absolutely agree with you. marcus morris doesn't move the needle for us; he's a jae crowder who can't play the 3, with character questions... and even crowder isn't cutting it.
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meh I liked Marcus Morris

I'm sure this other guy will be good too
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https://twitter.com/rodger_sherman/status/883329161871462400
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it sounds like the trade was so they could fit in hayward. without that they couldn't sign him.
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the pistons have officially renounced their qualifying offer on KCP
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transience posted...

it sounds like the trade was so they could fit in hayward. without that they couldn't sign him.

yup, and other GMs knew this and were using it to be cheap with Boston, so it would have been nearly impossible to get good value on a trade because the other GMs knew they were desperate to move someone to sign Hayward.

I still think they got a better deal than the Pacers got for George
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Losing Bradley sucks, but the Celtics wouldn't be able to afford him next year anyway.

Reserving judgement on this until we see if there's another move coming.
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