Poll of the Day > Pro-choice or pro-life?

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Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

Neither. Pro-abortion.

Pro-life means you believe the single-celled egg is a human being after the sperm reaches it and no abortions should happen ever unless the mom is dying because of the pregnancy.

Pro-choice means you condone abortion until a point for any reason.

Pro-choice. If the pro-life group was reasonable they'd scrutinize the point of no return, instead of going by what the pope says and panicking about "baby murder".

Cacciato posted...

Neither. Pro-abortion.

This. Abortions should be mandatory.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Cacciato posted...

Neither. Pro-abortion.

This. Abortions should be mandatory.

What do you actually mean by that though? Mandatory to who?

jamieyello3 posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Cacciato posted...

Neither. Pro-abortion.

This. Abortions should be mandatory.

What do you actually mean by that though? Mandatory to who?

I said poor people should have mandatory abortion and lost 3 karma
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Pro-choice.

I feel like most people know when they can't take care of a kid.

Northern_Star posted...

I said poor people should have mandatory abortion and lost 3 karma

Well, when we reach overpopulation we will literally have to do that.

Limit 2 kids per person, more granted they can support them and are wealthy enough.

Pro Choice WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

So am I. I don't think we're that rare though.
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Peterass posted...

Pro Choice WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

So am I. I don't think we're that rare though.

Well usually I see it the other way around. "Pro life" liberals such as the pope.

WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

You probably were.

But not anymore.

:)
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Pro-choice. A girl should have the right to abort if she was raped or if she might die giving birth, for example. But I don´t think abortion should be commonplace, like "Eh, I don´t want it".
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jamieyello3 posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Cacciato posted...

Neither. Pro-abortion.

This. Abortions should be mandatory.

What do you actually mean by that though? Mandatory to who?

In particular, people with serious, and easily inherited medical conditions such as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome - something that runs in my own family.

Northern_Star posted...

I said poor people should have mandatory abortion and lost 3 karma

Poor people can still raise healthy and successful kids though. However, people on welfare should have some kind of compulsory birth control, and lose their benefits if they have kids. The system we have now encourages people to have as many as they possibly can: which is bad all around, it's bad for the system, it's bad for the kids, and it's bad for society.

Alexandra_Trent posted...

WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

You probably were.

But not anymore.

:)

I'm seeing more and more conservatives going pro-choice as part of a 'small government' stance.
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Pro-life.
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Bro choice

Choice.
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Pro-choosing life. Abortion's bad, and should be avoided to as much of an extent as possible, but sometimes it is actually the better option for all involved parties, and people should be able to make that choice.
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adjl posted...

Pro-choosing life.

You're trying too hard.
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wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

Pro-choosing life.

You're trying too hard.

It sums up my stance pretty well. I think it should be a choice, but that the choice should be not to kill the fetus if that's at all feasible.
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Pro-Apathy
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Pro-choice for all reasons for any length of time.
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I'm both. I think abortion should be a last resort.
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@adjl summed up my thoughts pretty well.

I would rather the fetus be given a chance, but the mother has the right to terminate it if she cannot care for it, or she was raped.
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Choice. If a girl doesnt want to have it she should have every right to get rid of it.
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Pro-life.
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jamieyello3 posted...

Pro-life means you believe the single-celled egg is a human being after the sperm reaches it and no abortions should happen ever unless the mom is dying because of the pregnancy.

Pro-choice means you condone abortion until a point for any reason.

Pro-choice. If the pro-life group was reasonable they'd scrutinize the point of no return, instead of going by what the pope says and panicking about "baby murder".

This

The thing that makes abortion so tricky is... pregnancy is a continuous process from a single cell to a full baby. It's stupid to say that a single cell should have full rights but it's stupid to say that a full baby shouldn't. So where do you draw the line in the middle? That's what the real argument should be about but there's no way there's a right answer to it, or at least an answer that makes everyone happy. Luckily that's pretty much where the law is right now, some point in the middle, so I'm good

I'm pro that account being suspended.
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This is one of those completely unproductive battles. It would be much better if both groups focused on minimizing abortions by ensuring unwanted pregnancies don't happen in the first place. Access to reliable birth control solves the problem in most cases.
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BowToKingBowser posted...

jamieyello3 posted...

Pro-life means you believe the single-celled egg is a human being after the sperm reaches it and no abortions should happen ever unless the mom is dying because of the pregnancy.

Pro-choice means you condone abortion until a point for any reason.

Pro-choice. If the pro-life group was reasonable they'd scrutinize the point of no return, instead of going by what the pope says and panicking about "baby murder".

This

The thing that makes abortion so tricky is... pregnancy is a continuous process from a single cell to a full baby. It's stupid to say that a single cell should have full rights but it's stupid to say that a full baby shouldn't. So where do you draw the line in the middle? That's what the real argument should be about but there's no way there's a right answer to it, or at least an answer that makes everyone happy. Luckily that's pretty much where the law is right now, some point in the middle, so I'm good

I draw the line when the fetus grows a brain. Then it's human
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jedirood posted...

I draw the line when the fetus grows a brain. Then it's human

That develops as a continuous process too. How much of a brain? How fully functioning?

BowToKingBowser posted...

jedirood posted...

I draw the line when the fetus grows a brain. Then it's human

That develops as a continuous process too. How much of a brain? How fully functioning?

I draw the line when they have a chance of surviving outside the womb. Which I know is quite late but until that point the fetus is basically a parasite and not entitled to support by the mother.
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I always classify myself as "Pro-Death", because I'm pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia/assisted suicide, and pro-death penalty.

Basically, I'm firmly of the belief that human life has no inherent, implicit value, so there is nothing sacred or special about it, and thus, no real need to preserve it at all costs. Morality is a social contract, and the only real ethical "truths" are the ones we choose to agree with.

Even most of the strictest religions with "Thou shalt not kill" rules still make plenty of exceptions based on what they consider appropriate situations where killing is necessary (and even "Thou shalt not kill" in Christianity is a mistranslated corruption from the original Hebrew anyway, where it's more appropriately translated as "Thou shalt not murder", with "murder" only applying to socially disruptive killing, which doesn't include things like self-defense, suicide, war, punishing criminals, or even abortions/contraceptive use).



WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

I'd probably fall into that category, though I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian/classical liberal more than a conservative. Though most of those terms have been tainted beyond any resemblance to their original meanings these days anyway.

Of course, on this board or others like it online, I'm probably pretty far Right by default because so many people fall into the lunatic fringe side of the Left as-is.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I always classify myself as "Pro-Death", because I'm pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia/assisted suicide, and pro-death penalty.

Basically, I'm firmly of the belief that human life has no inherent, implicit value, so there is nothing sacred or special about it, and thus, no real need to preserve it at all costs. Morality is a social contract, and the only real ethical "truths" are the ones we choose to agree with.

Even most of the strictest religions with "Thou shalt not kill" rules still make plenty of exceptions based on what they consider appropriate situations where killing is necessary (and even "Thou shalt not kill" in Christianity is a mistranslated corruption from the original Hebrew anyway, where it's more appropriately translated as "Thou shalt not murder", with "murder" only applying to socially disruptive killing, which doesn't include things like self-defense, suicide, war, punishing criminals, or even abortions/contraceptive use).



WarGreymon77 posted...

Pro choice conservative. I seem to be a rare species.

I'd probably fall into that category, though I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian/classical liberal more than a conservative. Though most of those terms have been tainted beyond any resemblance to their original meanings these days anyway.

Of course, on this board or others like it online, I'm probably pretty far Right by default because so many people fall into the lunatic fringe side of the Left as-is.

Most people are against the death penalty because it costs more than life in prison. Not that it causes death itself.
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Zangulus posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Most people are against the death penalty because it costs more than life in prison. Not that it causes death itself.

[Citation Needed]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/#57f30263664b
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Cacciato posted...

Neither. Pro-abortion.

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Anti-abortion.
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Whose choice?

Every one seems to imply only the women get the choice. So should men be absolved of all responsibility if they get no voice?




On one hand, people should be free to make personal choices. However a new life concerns the future of mankind-- as a species, as a nation, as person of certain ethnicities. In the long term, mass abortion as a trend is detrimental to society. It is usually the wrong choice.
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I think using it as birth control all the time makes somebody a shitty, irresponsible person, but I think it's definitely warranted sometimes.
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I'm against abortion, because I'm against eugenics. If abortion is legal then Gattaca is legal.

Amuseum posted...

Whose choice?

Every one seems to imply only the women get the choice. So should men be absolved of all responsibility if they get no voice?




On one hand, people should be free to make personal choices. However a new life concerns the future of mankind-- as a species, as a nation, as person of certain ethnicities. In the long term, mass abortion as a trend is detrimental to society. It is usually the wrong choice.

You're now going to have to prove abortion is a trend.

Zangulus posted...

Wrong citation. I'm not talking about the cost, I'm talking about the idea that most are for it due to cost.

I think you need to reread my post again then.
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jedirood posted...

BowToKingBowser posted...

jamieyello3 posted...

Pro-life means you believe the single-celled egg is a human being after the sperm reaches it and no abortions should happen ever unless the mom is dying because of the pregnancy.

Pro-choice means you condone abortion until a point for any reason.

Pro-choice. If the pro-life group was reasonable they'd scrutinize the point of no return, instead of going by what the pope says and panicking about "baby murder".

This

The thing that makes abortion so tricky is... pregnancy is a continuous process from a single cell to a full baby. It's stupid to say that a single cell should have full rights but it's stupid to say that a full baby shouldn't. So where do you draw the line in the middle? That's what the real argument should be about but there's no way there's a right answer to it, or at least an answer that makes everyone happy. Luckily that's pretty much where the law is right now, some point in the middle, so I'm good

I draw the line when the fetus grows a brain. Then it's human

Understand that if we're talking brain development, then this discussion goes off the rails. A baby, despite having a "brain" as such, won't have a significant number of important neurological connections until well after it's born. looking at the brain, this tends to support the idea that there is no window on abortion, and some degree of infanticide is also acceptable.

While this is still a fringe stance, it's one that's gaining traction in discussions of medical ethics and the philosophies of personhood.
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I think abortion should be legal till 18,after which it's just not called abortion anymore, but is still legal.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

and some degree of infanticide is also acceptable

You're not going to get anywhere with that position though. The urge to protect babies is too strong. Let's focus on abortion rights.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq94liFIBRY
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KroganCharr posted...

You're not going to get anywhere with that position though

Not my problem. I'm fully aware that this stance legitimizes the pro-life claim that pro-choicers are baby killers, by actually having an argument in favor of actually killing actual babies. To my way of thinking, all the pro-lifers have done with that line of arguing is make me ask if killing babies is really so bad, and the answer is no, it isn't.

Babies are stupid, and it's ok to kill them.
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