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ManBeast462 04/13/17 10:59:16 AM #51: |
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BignutzisBack 04/13/17 11:00:51 AM #52: |
pinky0926 posted...
BignutzisBack posted...pinky0926 posted...In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union I've been on antibiotics and painkillers for a few days now, I have been mixing everything up lol --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 11:03:36 AM #53: |
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining? This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sad_Face 04/13/17 11:05:02 AM #54: |
Were_Wyrm posted...
States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month. Actually, giving people cash is the biggest money saver. The problem is that States waste a lot of money in how they distribute the money and how they limit what it could be used for. Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/magazine/switzerlands-proposal-to-pay-people-for-being-alive.html?pagewanted=all --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Onetrueking 04/13/17 11:07:29 AM #55: |
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:09:38 AM #56: |
Sad_Face posted...
Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution. The right demands there's restrictions, in the name of bootstraps. The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Iodine 04/13/17 11:10:44 AM #57: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Sad_Face posted...Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution. What does this mean in this case? --- In Belichick we Trust ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:13:59 AM #58: |
Iodine posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Sad_Face posted...Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution. Same thing it means in any other case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_test ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/13/17 11:19:58 AM #59: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity. This is a liberal thing; lefties such as myself tend to prefer universality when it comes to benefits. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:22:30 AM #60: |
Antifar posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity. Unfortunately, the two are largely indistinguishable in 'Murica. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ManBeast462 04/13/17 11:38:20 AM #61: |
J E S U S posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...DifferentialEquation posted...People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 11:40:42 AM #62: |
ManBeast462 posted...
J E S U S posted...Zero_Destroyer posted...DifferentialEquation posted...People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:42:22 AM #63: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? Never should have shut down the orphanages. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 11:50:43 AM #64: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:53:23 AM #65: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? Marginally, yes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/13/17 11:54:28 AM #66: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? because of the economies of scale you get from raising a lot of children in one place, right? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 11:54:43 AM #67: |
Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...Onetrueking posted...Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. "False equivalence fallacy" --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 11:55:33 AM #68: |
Balrog0 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? Pretty much. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 12:05:36 PM #69: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Balrog0 posted...Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve? You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 12:09:51 PM #70: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 04/13/17 12:10:10 PM #71: |
So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty.
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 12:14:07 PM #72: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? I'm suggesting that taking kids away and storing them in orphanages is probably not a better option. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 12:16:04 PM #73: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 12:16:25 PM #74: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? There's always the distributed orphanages we call "foster care". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 12:16:51 PM #75: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Questionmarktarius posted...Twin3Turbo posted...You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you? Says a guy who knows absolutely nothing about said system. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 04/13/17 12:18:18 PM #76: |
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation. Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 12:18:44 PM #77: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation. Not really, because that's why entitlement programs exist. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 12:21:01 PM #78: |
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...DawkinsNumber4 posted...Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation. An entitlement that only pays $170, that you can't get into anyway, certainly isn't helping much. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 12:23:05 PM #79: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...Gojak_v3 posted...DawkinsNumber4 posted...Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation. Which is why someone should sue the state and the FBI should start an investigation, which they likely already have (they cannot tell you this unless it leaks many times). That also only pertains to TANF, not Medicaid or SNAP or any other possible entitlements. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/13/17 12:26:06 PM #80: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty. Meanwhile http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/hungriest-states_n_5028586.html http://www.bread.org/news/mississippi-ranks-among-hungriest-and-poorest-states http://www.wapt.com/article/fbi-ranks-mississippi-no-2-for-homicides/2085498 --- an aspirin the size of the sun. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3rd_Best_Master 04/13/17 12:26:22 PM #81: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...Gojak_v3 posted... So I guess stealing children from the poor is the endgame in denying all of their welfare applicants. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Brian-Dawkins 04/13/17 12:28:15 PM #82: |
Zero_Destroyer posted...
"Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video. I'm fucking dead... --- Show us some dowg-gone re2pect! -Brian Dawkins Free _OujiDoza_ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 12:31:17 PM #83: |
3rd_Best_Master posted...
So I guess stealing children from the poor is the endgame in denying all of their welfare applicants. Someone needs to let Hollywood know. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 04/13/17 12:42:23 PM #84: |
Antifar posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty. All these things were true before this. I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 12:58:26 PM #85: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
Antifar posted...Gojak_v3 posted...So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty. i'd be curious to see how this changed over time if the state ever had a left-leaning government that tried to fight these problems by my understanding though it has turned a blind eye to its poorest for a very long time --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 1:00:20 PM #86: |
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Onetrueking posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted...Onetrueking posted...Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. this is an example of an ad hominem argument, the last resort of those who have realized they have no way to argue with an opposing point. it's typically the strategy of bullies who think that they can distract their audience from a subject by ridiculing their opponent rather than responding to his argument. it's not something that should have any place in modern discourse, because it is essentially an attempt to deceive the reader by changing the subject to something completely unrelated. despite his background, xsquader presented a valid point and data supporting it. no refutation has been made. balrog0 has posted similar ideas in the past and I've always found the concept of basic income very interesting. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 1:01:46 PM #87: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. Hmmmmmm --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 1:03:22 PM #89: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
Darkman124 posted...I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. gojack posted that, not me i've been examining the data and he is correct that 2016 rates of poverty do not appear to have spiked upward; the state has always been exceptionally poor. but the data also suggests that MI has been shorting its welfare applicants for quite some time. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 1:03:27 PM #90: |
Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...also Did you even look at who you were responding to? Why are you responding to Darkman as if it were Dawkins? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 04/13/17 1:03:36 PM #91: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mscrimn.htm There ya go. Next time do it for yerself. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 1:04:30 PM #92: |
Darkman124 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Darkman124 posted...I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. I noticed, that's why I edited my post but unfortunately you caught it --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 1:04:31 PM #93: |
Onetrueking posted...
Again coming from the criminal. Why respond to a legitimate crazy persons argument? We've all seen the video of you acting like a fool why should I respond seriously to you? i am darkman, not xsquader. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Onetrueking 04/13/17 1:05:15 PM #94: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
Onetrueking posted...Darkman124 posted...also Ah I misread the name but the point stands. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 1:05:46 PM #95: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Gojak_v3 posted...I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. that data actually truncates in 2015, it was one of the first things i looked at mostly what it shows me is that violent crime rates have dropped massively since the late 90s in a broad trend consistent with the rest of the US --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 04/13/17 1:06:04 PM #96: |
Gojak_v3 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Gojak_v3 posted...I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data. I wasn't questioning your post. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 04/13/17 1:06:38 PM #97: |
Onetrueking posted...
there is no point, whatsoever. that is the nature of ad hominem argument. you might as well have yelled "look behind you!" and run off. i suggest you do that. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Onetrueking 04/13/17 1:11:19 PM #98: |
Darkman124 posted...
Onetrueking posted... The point is I disagree with welfare. You talk about basic income but I honestly don't give a single fuck. I drew the golden ticket into a very wealthy family. You should hold some standard of pride before asking the government for money. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/13/17 1:20:30 PM #100: |
Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...Onetrueking posted... You gonna return your public education? --- an aspirin the size of the sun. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Onetrueking 04/13/17 1:22:26 PM #101: |
Antifar posted...
Onetrueking posted...Darkman124 posted...Onetrueking posted... It would be private education. Lol going to a public school especially in America. That's exactly how we got trump vs Hilary for president. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DawkinsNumber4 04/13/17 1:24:20 PM #102: |
Onetrueking posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...Onetrueking posted...Darkman124 posted...also You literally misread and did the same thing he said you did in your initial post. Yet, you claim that stands? --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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