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ManBeast462
04/13/17 10:59:16 AM
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Finally we're cracking down in welfare abusers?
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BignutzisBack
04/13/17 11:00:51 AM
#52:


pinky0926 posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
pinky0926 posted...
In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union


smh now another waitress is going to call you pretentious


where did you get waitress from, lol


I've been on antibiotics and painkillers for a few days now, I have been mixing everything up lol
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 11:03:36 AM
#53:


Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.
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Sad_Face
04/13/17 11:05:02 AM
#54:


Were_Wyrm posted...
States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month.


Actually, giving people cash is the biggest money saver. The problem is that States waste a lot of money in how they distribute the money and how they limit what it could be used for. Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/magazine/switzerlands-proposal-to-pay-people-for-being-alive.html?pagewanted=all
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Onetrueking
04/13/17 11:07:29 AM
#55:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:09:38 AM
#56:


Sad_Face posted...
Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution.

The right demands there's restrictions, in the name of bootstraps.
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity.
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Iodine
04/13/17 11:10:44 AM
#57:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution.

The right demands there's restrictions, in the name of bootstraps.
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity.

What does this mean in this case?
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:13:59 AM
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Iodine posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Just flat out giving people cash with no restrictions and not discriminating who they give it to is the best solution.

The right demands there's restrictions, in the name of bootstraps.
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity.

What does this mean in this case?


Same thing it means in any other case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_test
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Antifar
04/13/17 11:19:58 AM
#59:


Questionmarktarius posted...
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity.

This is a liberal thing; lefties such as myself tend to prefer universality when it comes to benefits.
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:22:30 AM
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Antifar posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The left demands there's means-testing, in the name of equity.

This is a liberal thing; lefties such as myself tend to prefer universality when it comes to benefits.

Unfortunately, the two are largely indistinguishable in 'Murica.
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ManBeast462
04/13/17 11:38:20 AM
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J E S U S posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.


this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life

Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three.



Don't have kids you can't afford

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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 11:40:42 AM
#62:


ManBeast462 posted...
J E S U S posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.


this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life

Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three.



Don't have kids you can't afford


This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:42:22 AM
#63:


Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 11:50:43 AM
#64:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.


So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option?
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:53:23 AM
#65:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.


So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option?

Marginally, yes.
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Balrog0
04/13/17 11:54:28 AM
#66:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.


So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option?

Marginally, yes.


because of the economies of scale you get from raising a lot of children in one place, right?
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 11:54:43 AM
#67:


Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.



"False equivalence fallacy"
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 11:55:33 AM
#68:


Balrog0 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.


So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option?

Marginally, yes.


because of the economies of scale you get from raising a lot of children in one place, right?

Pretty much.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 12:05:36 PM
#69:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
This makes sense on the surface and is good advice prior to the kids being born, but whats the end game when saying this? Do you expect the kids to starve?

Never should have shut down the orphanages.


So taking kids from parents that can't afford them and shuffling them into crappy and underfunded orphanages would be a better option?

Marginally, yes.


because of the economies of scale you get from raising a lot of children in one place, right?

Pretty much.


You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 12:09:51 PM
#70:


Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?

Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit?
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Gojak_v3
04/13/17 12:10:10 PM
#71:


So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 12:14:07 PM
#72:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?

Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit?


I'm suggesting that taking kids away and storing them in orphanages is probably not a better option.
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 12:16:04 PM
#73:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?

Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit?



Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 12:16:25 PM
#74:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?

Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit?


I'm suggesting that taking kids away and storing them in orphanages is probably not a better option.

There's always the distributed orphanages we call "foster care".
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 12:16:51 PM
#75:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
You really haven't tried to think this out at all have you?

Are you suggesting that "poverty" shouldn't be grounds for CPS to declare a parent unfit?


I'm suggesting that taking kids away and storing them in orphanages is probably not a better option.

There's always the distributed orphanages we call "foster care".



Says a guy who knows absolutely nothing about said system.
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Gojak_v3
04/13/17 12:18:18 PM
#76:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.


Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds.
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 12:18:44 PM
#77:


Gojak_v3 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.


Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds.



Not really, because that's why entitlement programs exist.
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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 12:21:01 PM
#78:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.


Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds.



Not really, because that's why entitlement programs exist.

An entitlement that only pays $170, that you can't get into anyway, certainly isn't helping much.
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DawkinsNumber4
04/13/17 12:23:05 PM
#79:


Questionmarktarius posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.


Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds.



Not really, because that's why entitlement programs exist.

An entitlement that only pays $170, that you can't get into anyway, certainly isn't helping much.



Which is why someone should sue the state and the FBI should start an investigation, which they likely already have (they cannot tell you this unless it leaks many times). That also only pertains to TANF, not Medicaid or SNAP or any other possible entitlements.
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Antifar
04/13/17 12:26:06 PM
#80:


Gojak_v3 posted...
So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty.

Meanwhile
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/hungriest-states_n_5028586.html
http://www.bread.org/news/mississippi-ranks-among-hungriest-and-poorest-states
http://www.wapt.com/article/fbi-ranks-mississippi-no-2-for-homicides/2085498
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3rd_Best_Master
04/13/17 12:26:22 PM
#81:


Questionmarktarius posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Poverty isn't grounds now and shouldn't be, no. This would be a 14th amendment violation.


Maybe not in of itself. But indirectly it can lead to situations that would be grounds.



Not really, because that's why entitlement programs exist.

An entitlement that only pays $170, that you can't get into anyway, certainly isn't helping much.

So I guess stealing children from the poor is the endgame in denying all of their welfare applicants.
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Brian-Dawkins
04/13/17 12:28:15 PM
#82:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
"Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video.

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Questionmarktarius
04/13/17 12:31:17 PM
#83:


3rd_Best_Master posted...
So I guess stealing children from the poor is the endgame in denying all of their welfare applicants.

Someone needs to let Hollywood know.
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Gojak_v3
04/13/17 12:42:23 PM
#84:


Antifar posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty.

Meanwhile
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/hungriest-states_n_5028586.html
http://www.bread.org/news/mississippi-ranks-among-hungriest-and-poorest-states
http://www.wapt.com/article/fbi-ranks-mississippi-no-2-for-homicides/2085498


All these things were true before this. I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.
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Darkman124
04/13/17 12:58:26 PM
#85:


Gojak_v3 posted...
Antifar posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
So you mean they didn't hand out welfare and the world didn't end? People weren't dying in the street? Murder and crime didn't climb to historic highs? Basic social structures didn't break down? Huh, liberals always told me these things were a certainty.

Meanwhile
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/hungriest-states_n_5028586.html
http://www.bread.org/news/mississippi-ranks-among-hungriest-and-poorest-states
http://www.wapt.com/article/fbi-ranks-mississippi-no-2-for-homicides/2085498


All these things were true before this. I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


i'd be curious to see how this changed over time if the state ever had a left-leaning government that tried to fight these problems

by my understanding though it has turned a blind eye to its poorest for a very long time
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Darkman124
04/13/17 1:00:20 PM
#86:


also

Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.



this is an example of an ad hominem argument, the last resort of those who have realized they have no way to argue with an opposing point. it's typically the strategy of bullies who think that they can distract their audience from a subject by ridiculing their opponent rather than responding to his argument.

it's not something that should have any place in modern discourse, because it is essentially an attempt to deceive the reader by changing the subject to something completely unrelated.

despite his background, xsquader presented a valid point and data supporting it. no refutation has been made. balrog0 has posted similar ideas in the past and I've always found the concept of basic income very interesting.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 1:01:46 PM
#87:


Gojak_v3 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm
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Darkman124
04/13/17 1:03:22 PM
#89:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Darkman124 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm


gojack posted that, not me

i've been examining the data and he is correct that 2016 rates of poverty do not appear to have spiked upward; the state has always been exceptionally poor. but the data also suggests that MI has been shorting its welfare applicants for quite some time.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 1:03:27 PM
#90:


Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...
also

Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.



this is an example of an ad hominem argument, the last resort of those who have realized they have no way to argue with an opposing point. it's typically the strategy of bullies who think that they can distract their audience from a subject by ridiculing their opponent rather than responding to his argument.

Again coming from the criminal. Why respond to a legitimate crazy persons argument? We've all seen the video of you acting like a fool why should I respond seriously to you?


Did you even look at who you were responding to? Why are you responding to Darkman as if it were Dawkins?
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Gojak_v3
04/13/17 1:03:36 PM
#91:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mscrimn.htm

There ya go. Next time do it for yerself.
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 1:04:30 PM
#92:


Darkman124 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Darkman124 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm


gojack posted that, not me

.


I noticed, that's why I edited my post but unfortunately you caught it
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Darkman124
04/13/17 1:04:31 PM
#93:


Onetrueking posted...
Again coming from the criminal. Why respond to a legitimate crazy persons argument? We've all seen the video of you acting like a fool why should I respond seriously to you?


i am darkman, not xsquader.
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Onetrueking
04/13/17 1:05:15 PM
#94:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...
also

Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.



this is an example of an ad hominem argument, the last resort of those who have realized they have no way to argue with an opposing point. it's typically the strategy of bullies who think that they can distract their audience from a subject by ridiculing their opponent rather than responding to his argument.

Again coming from the criminal. Why respond to a legitimate crazy persons argument? We've all seen the video of you acting like a fool why should I respond seriously to you?


Did you even look at who you were responding to? Why are you responding to Darkman as if it were Dawkins?

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.
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Darkman124
04/13/17 1:05:46 PM
#95:


Gojak_v3 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mscrimn.htm

There ya go. Next time do it for yerself.


that data actually truncates in 2015, it was one of the first things i looked at

mostly what it shows me is that violent crime rates have dropped massively since the late 90s in a broad trend consistent with the rest of the US
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Twin3Turbo
04/13/17 1:06:04 PM
#96:


Gojak_v3 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
I don't know the exact rank in murder rate, but you can see it's always been high relative to it's population if you look at the data.


Hmmmmmm


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mscrimn.htm

There ya go. Next time do it for yerself.


I wasn't questioning your post.
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Darkman124
04/13/17 1:06:38 PM
#97:


Onetrueking posted...

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.


there is no point, whatsoever. that is the nature of ad hominem argument. you might as well have yelled "look behind you!" and run off.

i suggest you do that.
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Onetrueking
04/13/17 1:11:19 PM
#98:


Darkman124 posted...
Onetrueking posted...

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.


there is no point, whatsoever. that is the nature of ad hominem argument. you might as well have yelled "look behind you!" and run off.

i suggest you do that.

The point is I disagree with welfare. You talk about basic income but I honestly don't give a single fuck. I drew the golden ticket into a very wealthy family. You should hold some standard of pride before asking the government for money.
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Antifar
04/13/17 1:20:30 PM
#100:


Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Onetrueking posted...

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.


there is no point, whatsoever. that is the nature of ad hominem argument. you might as well have yelled "look behind you!" and run off.

i suggest you do that.

The point is I disagree with welfare. You talk about basic income but I honestly don't give a single fuck. I drew the golden ticket into a very wealthy family. You should hold some standard of pride before asking the government for money.

You gonna return your public education?
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Onetrueking
04/13/17 1:22:26 PM
#101:


Antifar posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Onetrueking posted...

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.


there is no point, whatsoever. that is the nature of ad hominem argument. you might as well have yelled "look behind you!" and run off.

i suggest you do that.

The point is I disagree with welfare. You talk about basic income but I honestly don't give a single fuck. I drew the golden ticket into a very wealthy family. You should hold some standard of pride before asking the government for money.

You gonna return your public education?

It would be private education. Lol going to a public school especially in America. That's exactly how we got trump vs Hilary for president.
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Onetrueking posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Darkman124 posted...
also

Onetrueking posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.



Studies have shown a correlation between poverty and mental illness. Guess what gets you barred from joining?

This is why people who are simple-minded Republicans are dangerous, people thinking like you when in reality their wants become less likely by them stating their ridiculous beliefs as fact.

Coming from the man who fought a cop and slammed his head into a police door while screaming like a girl? Hilarious you are the reason why I look down on the system. If it worked crazy people like you would be in jail where thankfully you should be soon.



this is an example of an ad hominem argument, the last resort of those who have realized they have no way to argue with an opposing point. it's typically the strategy of bullies who think that they can distract their audience from a subject by ridiculing their opponent rather than responding to his argument.

Again coming from the criminal. Why respond to a legitimate crazy persons argument? We've all seen the video of you acting like a fool why should I respond seriously to you?


Did you even look at who you were responding to? Why are you responding to Darkman as if it were Dawkins?

Ah I misread the name but the point stands.



You literally misread and did the same thing he said you did in your initial post. Yet, you claim that stands?
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