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whitewimmin 04/13/17 9:42:15 AM #1:	https://thinkprogress.org/mississippi-reject-welfare-applicants-57701ca3fb13 Last year, 11,717 low-income residents of Mississippi applied to get a meager government benefit to help them make ends meet. The state’s welfare program, part of federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), gives a maximum of just $170 a month to a family of three. These applicants had applied hoping to get at least that crumb of cash assistance. But out of the pool—more than 11 thousand—only 167 people were actually approved and enrolled in the program, according to state data obtained by ThinkProgress. Every other applicant was denied or withdrew, resulting in an acceptance rate of just 1.42 percent. Statistically speaking, it’s more like a rounding error. The numbers follow a disturbing trend in the state over the past several years. Between 2003 and 2010, according to a report by the Mississippi Low-Income Child Care Initiative (MLICCI), roughly half of the applicants to the state’s TANF program were rejected, already a large share of poor people denied assistance. But then in 2011, the rejection rate catapulted to 89 percent. It has gradually increased every year since. States are generally incentivized to reduce their TANF caseloads, given that any unused money can be redirected to other purposes. But Mississippi stands out for its astonishing rejection rate. “Mississippi appears to be a huge outlier,” said Liz Schott, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. No other state has a rejection rate above 90 percent; the closest is Texas, which rejected 89.7 percent of applicants in 2015. “It does stick out like a sore thumb,” said Nisha Patel, former director of the Office of Family Assistance within the Administration for Children and Families, which overseas TANF. The numbers shock even people familiar with state and federal welfare programs. Matt Williams, research director at MLICCI, called the sharp uptick in denials in 2011 “really drastic.” Schott said she didn’t believe the data was actually valid until looking at the numbers provided to ThinkProgress. Patel said she was “quite taken aback” by the data. No one seems able to explain what’s behind the enormous rejection rate. “We’ve been trying to figure it out. The big question is why,” Williams said. The state did not respond to repeated requests from ThinkProgress for an explanation of what changed, but it did send a statement saying, “Upon review of our caseload, there are a significant number of TANF applications being denied; however, there are many reasons the denials are taking place.” Those include failing to meet eligibility criteria, unresolved noncompliance issues, an ongoing mandatory work sanction period, unverified compliance with upfront requirements, failing to provide necessary data, voluntarily quitting or being fired from a job for one’s own behavior, failing to cooperate with child support enforcement, failing to show up for appointments, or voluntarily withdrawing an application. ... What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs. With that change came a lot more discretion in deciding how they would run them and less oversight of the decisions they make. It also ended the entitlement structure that meant anyone who was eligible was supposed to get benefits; today, states can decide who does and doesn’t get help. --- Liberte, egalite, fraternite <cite>whitewimmin posted [p:877111921] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>https://thinkprogress.org/mississippi-reject-welfare-applicants-57701ca3fb13 <quote>Last year, 11,717 low-income residents of Mississippi applied to get a meager government benefit to help them make ends meet. The state’s welfare program, part of federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), gives a maximum of just $170 a month to a family of three. These applicants had applied hoping to get at least that crumb of cash assistance. But out of the pool—more than 11 thousand—only 167 people were actually approved and enrolled in the program, according to state data obtained by ThinkProgress. Every other applicant was denied or withdrew, resulting in an acceptance rate of just 1.42 percent. Statistically speaking, it’s more like a rounding error. The numbers follow a disturbing trend in the state over the past several years. Between 2003 and 2010, according to a report by the Mississippi Low-Income Child Care Initiative (MLICCI), roughly half of the applicants to the state’s TANF program were rejected, already a large share of poor people denied assistance. But then in 2011, the rejection rate catapulted to 89 percent. It has gradually increased every year since. States are generally incentivized to reduce their TANF caseloads, given that any unused money can be redirected to other purposes. But Mississippi stands out for its astonishing rejection rate. “Mississippi appears to be a huge outlier,” said Liz Schott, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. No other state has a rejection rate above 90 percent; the closest is Texas, which rejected 89.7 percent of applicants in 2015. “It does stick out like a sore thumb,” said Nisha Patel, former director of the Office of Family Assistance within the Administration for Children and Families, which overseas TANF. The numbers shock even people familiar with state and federal welfare programs. Matt Williams, research director at MLICCI, called the sharp uptick in denials in 2011 “really drastic.” Schott said she didn’t believe the data was actually valid until looking at the numbers provided to ThinkProgress. Patel said she was “quite taken aback” by the data. No one seems able to explain what’s behind the enormous rejection rate. “We’ve been trying to figure it out. The big question is why,” Williams said. The state did not respond to repeated requests from ThinkProgress for an explanation of what changed, but it did send a statement saying, “Upon review of our caseload, there are a significant number of TANF applications being denied; however, there are many reasons the denials are taking place.” Those include failing to meet eligibility criteria, unresolved noncompliance issues, an ongoing mandatory work sanction period, unverified compliance with upfront requirements, failing to provide necessary data, voluntarily quitting or being fired from a job for one’s own behavior, failing to cooperate with child support enforcement, failing to show up for appointments, or voluntarily withdrawing an application. ... What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs. With that change came a lot more discretion in deciding how they would run them and less oversight of the decisions they make. It also ended the entitlement structure that meant anyone who was eligible was supposed to get benefits; today, states can decide who does and doesn’t get help.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 04/13/17 9:46:08 AM #2:	States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:877112067] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/13/17 9:47:02 AM #3:	maybe they're trying to develop a mighty economy like in Texas --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877112114] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>maybe they're trying to develop a mighty economy like in Texas</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 04/13/17 9:48:32 AM #4:	In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877112179] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 04/13/17 9:49:57 AM #5:	"Cause welfare is just mah tax dollars going to moochers and whores who can't keep their legs shut! Except me, I paid into it so I deserve it." ^ That thinking leads to Republicans gaining office (cause that line of thinking started from them) and leads to more innocent people who really need it getting fucked over. My state is god awful and the people wonder why it gets shit on constantly. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:877112236] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>"Cause welfare is just mah tax dollars going to moochers and whores who can't keep their legs shut! Except me, I paid into it so I deserve it." ^ That thinking leads to Republicans gaining office (cause that line of thinking started from them) and leads to more innocent people who really need it getting fucked over. My state is god awful and the people wonder why it gets shit on constantly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 9:51:02 AM #6:	Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877112282] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/13/17 9:51:02 AM #7:	Maybe they're tired of being objectively the worst in every measurable way and realized if they just rejected welfare applicants they could not have the most without actually solving anything. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:877112283] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>Maybe they're tired of being objectively the worst in every measurable way and realized if they just rejected welfare applicants they could not have the most without actually solving anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Poodle 04/13/17 9:53:52 AM #8:	its both the poorest and most obese state. Its not like this could make them sink any lower. --- ../\|,-``\(o)_\,----,,,_.. ( `\(o),,_/` : o : : :o `-, ...I'm watching you... scum. <cite>Psycho_Poodle posted [p:877112402] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>its both the poorest and most obese state. Its not like this could make them sink any lower.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sojy 04/13/17 9:54:28 AM #9:	whitewimmin posted... What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs. And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol. <cite>Sojy posted [p:877112426] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>whitewimmin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs.</quote></quote> And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 04/13/17 9:55:37 AM #10:	Onetrueking posted... Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. There it is! --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877112472] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> There it is!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/13/17 10:21:10 AM #11:	Tag --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:877113610] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 10:22:46 AM #12:	pinky0926 posted... Onetrueking posted... Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. There it is! Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877113691] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> There it is!</quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:30:01 AM #13:	Onetrueking posted... Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? A large number of people on TANF do have jobs. Job =/= making ends meet or financial security, especially among poorer people who likely could never afford a college education. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877114031] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> A large number of people on TANF do have jobs. Job =/= making ends meet or financial security, especially among poorer people who likely could never afford a college education.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragon239 04/13/17 10:34:03 AM #14:	Onetrueking posted... Sign up for the army or quit being useless. Heh, listed as one or the other. I like it. --- http://i.imgur.com/nkZgO.jpg <cite>Dragon239 posted [p:877114222] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> Heh, listed as one or the other. I like it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 04/13/17 10:34:06 AM #15:	IIRC Maintaining a job is one of the requirements for receiving money from TANF And TANF doesn't give you anywhere near enough money for it to act as a sole income --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:877114225] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>IIRC Maintaining a job is one of the requirements for receiving money from TANF And TANF doesn't give you anywhere near enough money for it to act as a sole income</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 04/13/17 10:34:46 AM #16:	Onetrueking posted... pinky0926 posted... Onetrueking posted... Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. There it is! Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? How do you think welfare works? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:877114256] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote> Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. </quote> There it is!</quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> How do you think welfare works?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 04/13/17 10:37:04 AM #17:	Kudos to the state for its fiscal responsibility. Instead of rubber stamping people through the system like other states, they're actually handing out the cash to the folks who truly deserve it and denying the parasites who just want a free ride. --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:877114379] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>Kudos to the state for its fiscal responsibility. Instead of rubber stamping people through the system like other states, they're actually handing out the cash to the folks who truly deserve it and denying the parasites who just want a free ride.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/13/17 10:37:37 AM #18:	Sojy posted... whitewimmin posted... What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs. And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol. They did. Hillary won the under $30k Demo: http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:877114411] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sojy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitewimmin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs.</quote></quote> And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol.</quote> They did. Hillary won the under $30k Demo: http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/13/17 10:38:14 AM #19:	Were_Wyrm posted... States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:877114453] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote>States would save a lot of money if they would just give people a set of bootstraps when they apply instead of cash month after month.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:38:17 AM #20:	"Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877114457] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>"Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 04/13/17 10:38:19 AM #21:	pinky0926 posted... In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union smh now another waitress is going to call you pretentious --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:877114459] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union</quote> smh now another waitress is going to call you pretentious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unquestionable 04/13/17 10:38:41 AM #22:	emblem boy posted... How do you think welfare works? He doesn't. Apparently some people live in a fantasy world where as long as you work full time the magic of the free market gives you a living wage. --- Immanentize the eschaton <cite>Unquestionable posted [p:877114484] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>How do you think welfare works? </quote> He doesn't. Apparently some people live in a fantasy world where as long as you work full time the magic of the free market gives you a living wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:38:43 AM #23:	John_Galt posted... Kudos to the state for its fiscal responsibility. Instead of rubber stamping people through the system like other states, they're actually handing out the cash to the folks who truly deserve it and denying the parasites who just want a free ride. now this is a quality gimmick --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877114486] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>Kudos to the state for its fiscal responsibility. Instead of rubber stamping people through the system like other states, they're actually handing out the cash to the folks who truly deserve it and denying the parasites who just want a free ride.</quote> now this is a quality gimmick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 10:38:46 AM #24:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Onetrueking posted... Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? A large number of people on TANF do have jobs. Job =/= making ends meet or financial security, especially among poorer people who likely could never afford a college education. Get a second job. No sympathy for the poor or lower middle class. As my ancestors bless them up in heaven said "poor people are poor because they choose to be that way". --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877114490] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> A large number of people on TANF do have jobs. Job =/= making ends meet or financial security, especially among poorer people who likely could never afford a college education.</quote> Get a second job. No sympathy for the poor or lower middle class. As my ancestors bless them up in heaven said "poor people are poor because they choose to be that way".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 04/13/17 10:41:50 AM #25:	Onetrueking posted... pinky0926 posted... Onetrueking posted... Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. There it is! Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? If you'd ever been in a situation where you considered trying to get on welfare, you'd know that: 1) it's a fucking nightmare to get on and stay on 2) the work you have to do just to get your welfare checks is basically a full time job, for maybe 1/10th the payoff 3) the social stigma alone is horrendous 4) the money is barely enough to keep your head above water, sometimes not even that 5) you are constantly pressured at every level to continue looking for work 6) most people on welfare are in circumstances that make finding work difficult, either mental, physical or circumstantial Seriously, this whole welfare bludger rhetoric is mostly bullshit. For the vast majority of people welfare is not a cushy paradise of free money for nothing. It's a miserable existence and any time I hear the "get a job" argument I have to laugh, because when I was briefly on welfare I would have done just about anything for a job, any job, even one day a week job. Any of that would have been preferable to welfare. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877114644] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> There it is!</quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> If you'd ever been in a situation where you considered trying to get on welfare, you'd know that: 1) it's a fucking nightmare to get on and stay on 2) the work you have to do just to get your welfare checks is basically a full time job, for maybe 1/10th the payoff 3) the social stigma alone is horrendous 4) the money is barely enough to keep your head above water, sometimes not even that 5) you are constantly pressured at every level to continue looking for work 6) most people on welfare are in circumstances that make finding work difficult, either mental, physical or circumstantial Seriously, this whole welfare bludger rhetoric is mostly bullshit. For the vast majority of people welfare is not a cushy paradise of free money for nothing. It's a miserable existence and any time I hear the "get a job" argument I have to laugh, because when I was briefly on welfare I would have done just about anything for a job, any job, even one day a week job. Any of that would have been preferable to welfare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/17 10:42:43 AM #26:	Iodine posted... Sojy posted... whitewimmin posted... What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs. And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol. They did. Hillary won the under $30k Demo: http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls thats a pathetic margin for a democrat Obama got 63% of that demo in 2012, while Romney got 31%. Hilary and Trump got 53% and 40% respectively. Interestingly, Obama got 57% of those between 30k and 50k, while Romney got 48%. Hilary and Trump got 52% and 41%. So you can see where Trump had a relative appeal --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877114692] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iodine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sojy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitewimmin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What’s going on in Mississippi is a direct result of the way TANF functions today. In 1996, the welfare reform bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton turned it into a block grant in which states get a fixed amount of money from the federal government to run their programs.</quote></quote> And yet they expected poor people to turn out for Hillary lol.</quote> They did. Hillary won the under $30k Demo: http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls</quote> thats a pathetic margin for a democrat Obama got 63% of that demo in 2012, while Romney got 31%. Hilary and Trump got 53% and 40% respectively. Interestingly, Obama got 57% of those between 30k and 50k, while Romney got 48%. Hilary and Trump got 52% and 41%. So you can see where Trump had a relative appeal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 04/13/17 10:42:47 AM #27:	BignutzisBack posted... pinky0926 posted... In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union smh now another waitress is going to call you pretentious where did you get waitress from, lol --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877114696] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>In b4 financially insolvent 22 year olds make comments about people on welfare that make them sound like 70 year olds that grew up in poverty stricken soviet union</quote> smh now another waitress is going to call you pretentious</quote> where did you get waitress from, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/13/17 10:44:58 AM #28:	These types of program need some sort of overhaul. People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:877114797] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>These types of program need some sort of overhaul. People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 10:46:40 AM #29:	pinky0926 posted... Onetrueking posted... pinky0926 posted... Onetrueking posted... Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless. There it is! Is it wrong to tell people to get a job? If you'd ever been in a situation where you considered trying to get on welfare, you'd know that: 1) it's a fucking nightmare to get on and stay on 2) the work you have to do just to get your welfare checks is basically a full time job, for maybe 1/10th the payoff 3) the social stigma alone is horrendous 4) the money is barely enough to keep your head above water, sometimes not even that 5) you are constantly pressured at every level to continue looking for work 6) most people on welfare are in circumstances that make finding work difficult, either mental, physical or circumstantial Seriously, this whole welfare bludger rhetoric is mostly bullshit. For the vast majority of people welfare is not a cushy paradise of free money for nothing. It's a miserable existence and any time I hear the "get a job" argument I ahve to laugh because when I was briefly on welfare I would have done just about anything for a job, any job, even one day a week job... I will look into how welfare works. I've never nor ever will need it but if it's as hard as you say I'll cut them some slack. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877114878] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>Good. Want cash? Sign up for the army or quit being useless.</quote> There it is!</quote> Is it wrong to tell people to get a job?</quote> If you'd ever been in a situation where you considered trying to get on welfare, you'd know that: 1) it's a fucking nightmare to get on and stay on 2) the work you have to do just to get your welfare checks is basically a full time job, for maybe 1/10th the payoff 3) the social stigma alone is horrendous 4) the money is barely enough to keep your head above water, sometimes not even that 5) you are constantly pressured at every level to continue looking for work 6) most people on welfare are in circumstances that make finding work difficult, either mental, physical or circumstantial Seriously, this whole welfare bludger rhetoric is mostly bullshit. For the vast majority of people welfare is not a cushy paradise of free money for nothing. It's a miserable existence and any time I hear the "get a job" argument I ahve to laugh because when I was briefly on welfare I would have done just about anything for a job, any job, even one day a week job...</quote> I will look into how welfare works. I've never nor ever will need it but if it's as hard as you say I'll cut them some slack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/17 10:47:15 AM #30:	DifferentialEquation posted... These types of program need some sort of overhaul. People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. how could you live like a kind on TANF? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877114906] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>These types of program need some sort of overhaul. People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.</quote> how could you live like a kind on TANF?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:47:30 AM #31:	DifferentialEquation posted... People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877114919] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote> People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.</quote> this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperExcitebike 04/13/17 10:47:51 AM #32:	Good. People shouldn't get free handouts --- SMU Mustangs/Jayhawks/Texans/Rockets http://followmy.tv/u/Excitebike <cite>SuperExcitebike posted [p:877114935] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>Good. People shouldn't get free handouts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoke_break 04/13/17 10:48:31 AM #33:	that's terrible --- http://i.imgur.com/WTmIPt8.jpg <cite>smoke_break posted [p:877114973] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>that's terrible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 04/13/17 10:48:34 AM #34:	Zero_Destroyer posted... DifferentialEquation posted... People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three. Relax, DifferentialEquation is a career troll --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877114976] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote> People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.</quote> this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three.</quote> Relax, DifferentialEquation is a career troll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
J E S U S 04/13/17 10:49:19 AM #35:	Zero_Destroyer posted... DifferentialEquation posted... People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money. this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three. Don't have kids you can't afford --- imaginary <cite>J E S U S posted [p:877115010] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote> People shouldn't be living like kings off of the taxpayers' money.</quote> this person? this guy right here? never managed money before in his life Nobody's living like a king off of 170$ a month, let alone a family of three.</quote> Don't have kids you can't afford</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 10:49:42 AM #36:	You could always, you know, leave Mississippi. Zero_Destroyer posted... "Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video. The big difference here, is that it's voluntary. Neckbeardius Sr. can kick that basement-dwelling ass out to the curb at any time. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877115023] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>You could always, you know, leave Mississippi. <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>"Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video.</quote> The big difference here, is that it's voluntary. Neckbeardius Sr. can kick that basement-dwelling ass out to the curb at any time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 10:50:58 AM #38:	GOATTHlEF posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... "Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video. The big difference here, is that it's voluntary. Questionmarktarius Sr. can kick my basement-dwelling ass out to the curb at any time. ...that happened once. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877115079] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATTHlEF posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote> "Muh welfare leeches," Neckbeardius said. He did not understand the irony of this statement and chose to ignore the fact that he is jobless, contributes nothing to his living space, and can only type because his parents fund his lifestyle. After a deep yawn, Neackbeardius shoveled twenty cheetos into his gaping maw before checking his Youtube Feed for a new Black Pigeon Speaks video.</quote> The big difference here, is that it's voluntary. Questionmarktarius Sr. can kick my basement-dwelling ass out to the curb at any time.</quote></quote> ...that happened once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:52:02 AM #39:	J E S U S posted... Don't have kids you can't afford >Manage one of the most impoverished states in the U.S. >"Sex education is bad, let's teach the peasants abstinence" >Massive failure >"WHY ARE THEY HAVING SO MANY KIDS" >Be upstanding moral Pro life politician >"Well fuck them let them starve they shouldn't have had those kids even though our education is shit because we can't manage our backwater state worth shit lol" this is why Mississippi is a joke --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877115129] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>J E S U S posted...</cite> <quote> Don't have kids you can't afford</quote> >Manage one of the most impoverished states in the U.S. >"Sex education is bad, let's teach the peasants abstinence" >Massive failure >"WHY ARE THEY HAVING SO MANY KIDS" >Be upstanding moral Pro life politician >"Well fuck them let them starve they shouldn't have had those kids even though our education is shit because we can't manage our backwater state worth shit lol" this is why Mississippi is a joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 10:52:55 AM #40:	And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877115167] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote>And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/17 10:53:21 AM #41:	J E S U S posted... Don't have kids you can't afford I actually agree, now if only state governments in the south didn't do everything in their power to make abortions impossible to attain Questionmarktarius posted... You could always, you know, leave Mississippi. yes, I'm sure someone whose family needs to fight for $170 a month in welfare has the means to relocate to... another state where they won't be eligible for public assistance programs for some time since they aren't yet a resident? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877115190] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>J E S U S posted...</cite> <quote>Don't have kids you can't afford</quote> I actually agree, now if only state governments in the south didn't do everything in their power to make abortions impossible to attain <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>You could always, you know, leave Mississippi.</quote> yes, I'm sure someone whose family needs to fight for $170 a month in welfare has the means to relocate to... another state where they won't be eligible for public assistance programs for some time since they aren't yet a resident?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:53:53 AM #42:	Onetrueking posted... And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit. Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877115211] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit.</quote> Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 10:54:48 AM #45:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Onetrueking posted... And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit. Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare. How much smack or crack are you going to get on $170 anyway? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877115260] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit.</quote> Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare.</quote> How much smack or crack are you going to get on $170 anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zero_Destroyer 04/13/17 10:56:03 AM #47:	Questionmarktarius posted... You could always, you know, leave Mississippi. I'm sure an impoverished family of three needing that 170$ to survive has the means to transport themselves to a state that isn't the garbage heap of America. i mean really >_> --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:877115307] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>You could always, you know, leave Mississippi.</quote> I'm sure an impoverished family of three needing that 170$ to survive has the means to transport themselves to a state that isn't the garbage heap of America. i mean really >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/17 10:57:45 AM #48:	shockthemonkey posted... lmao most people on welfare can't afford drugs now that's taking it a bit far the problem I have is that most drugs are objectively less bad for public finances than alcohol, tobacco, or sugar, all of which are okay for welfare recipients to get (the former two you can't get WITH welfare money, but they don't test you to see if you're deserving based on those factors) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877115389] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao most people on welfare can't afford drugs</quote> now that's taking it a bit far the problem I have is that most drugs are objectively less bad for public finances than alcohol, tobacco, or sugar, all of which are okay for welfare recipients to get (the former two you can't get WITH welfare money, but they don't test you to see if you're deserving based on those factors)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onetrueking 04/13/17 10:58:15 AM #49:	Questionmarktarius posted... Zero_Destroyer posted... Onetrueking posted... And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit. Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare. How much smack or crack are you going to get on $170 anyway? It's more then $170 here in Florida now that I'm reading it. Seems you get $200 here and there or a $1,000 bailout option. --- PSN:Shadowstrike002 SWITCH: 4993-0137-5407 http://psntrophyleaders.com/user/view/Shadowstrike002#games Currently playing: dead rising PS4, Shantae games <cite>Onetrueking posted [p:877115421] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Onetrueking posted...</cite> <quote>And one of the very first lines for my state. "Drug testing was discontinued due to a Federal District Court ruling that Florida’s drug testing was unconstitutional" This is why I believe the people on welfare most of the time are bullshit.</quote> Florida's drug testing, beyond the lack of constitutionality, wasn't even effective. It cost more to maintain than the money return for catching the incredibly low number of drug abusers using welfare.</quote> How much smack or crack are you going to get on $170 anyway?</quote> It's more then $170 here in Florida now that I'm reading it. Seems you get $200 here and there or a $1,000 bailout option.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/13/17 10:58:18 AM #50:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Questionmarktarius posted... You could always, you know, leave Mississippi. I'm sure an impoverished family of three needing that 170$ to survive has the means to transport themselves to a state that isn't the garbage heap of America. i mean really >_> That's the obvious plan though. Make the state inhospitable to the poor, so that they grapes-of-wrath off to somewhere else. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877115425] in Mississipp... [t:75232773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>You could always, you know, leave Mississippi.</quote> I'm sure an impoverished family of three needing that 170$ to survive has the means to transport themselves to a state that isn't the garbage heap of America. i mean really >_></quote> That's the obvious plan though. Make the state inhospitable to the poor, so that they grapes-of-wrath off to somewhere else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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