Board 8 > VGMC 11 bracket and discussion thread

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azuarc posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

This record can't be broken, but it can still be tied, because Sphilia only carried a 3.5 average into its third contest, not a 4.0; one that carries a 4.0 (like FCDH this year) could still tie it by winning it all.

It took me a solid two minutes to reason out this statement, because I'm a dumbass that forgot I shaved an entire round off the contest last year. (And didn't read the post line by line where it was stated previously.)

Also, shouldn't your first entry include Scars of Time? I mean, it did have to win 8 matches...


Speaking of things people need to do, I should probably prepare to start the first match, huh...ah geez, that means I need to start inventing poll ideas.

I just followed what the sheet said. I don't actually remember how the final rounds of VGMC1 worked, because the number of entrants wasn't a power of 2; currently it's marked as though the field was halved every round for 6 rounds and then there was a single 3-way final, which I'm pretty sure wasn't the case.

Also, on the subject of that statement, Zero actually tied Sphilia's record when it won VGMC7.

A full list of songs with averages above 4.0 despite failing to retire on the first try:

Hope, 6.50 (4, 9)
Metal Gear Solid Main Theme (MGS2), 5.50 (2, 9)
"Reset" ~ "Thank You" Version, 5.50 (2, 9)
Papilliones, 5.50 (2, 9)
Dire, Dire Docks, 5.50 (4, 7)
Dark Cloud Main Theme, 5.50 (4, 7)
Solaris Phase 2, 5.50 (4, 7)
Re-CODA, 5.50 (4, 7)
Wicked Flight, 5.50 (4, 7)
EXEC_SPHILIA/., 5.33 (3, 4, 9)
Zero, 5.33 (4, 3, 9)
Despair of ELFERIA, 5.00 (2, 8)
White Devil, 5.00 (4, 6)
Tin Soldiers, 5.00 (4, 6)
Shop Music, 5.00 (4, 6)
Ricordando il passato, 5.00 (4, 6)
Dragon Roost Island, 4.50 (1, 8)
Trombe!, 4.50 (1, 8)
the executioner, 4.50 (1, 8)
Sburban Jungle, 4.50 (2, 7)
Potential for Anything, 4.50 (2, 7)
Rusty Ruins Act 2, 4.50 (3, 6)
Positive Force, 4.50 (3, 6)
Halo Theme Mjolnir Mix, 4.50 (3, 6)
The Liberation of Gracemeria, 4.50 (3, 6)
Tal Tal Heights, 4.50 (4, 5)
Paper Dolls, 4.50 (4, 5)
Yoru no Himawari, 4.50 (4, 5)
Memories of You, 4.50 (4, 5)
The Extreme, 4.33 (1, 3, 9)
You're Not Alone!, 4.33 (2, 4, 7)
Boss Battle: Big Arms, 4.33 (4, 4, 5)

32 songs in all, with an additional 11 that are at 4.00 exactly (including one that took 4 tries to retire, whereas no one on this list took more than 3). A number of songs can of course join this list this time.

2nd appearance: Anyone. As you can see there, even if your first appearance was 1-and-done, if you win it all on your second appearance, your average would be at least 4.5.
3rd appearance: 2.5 average or better.
4th appearance: 3.0 average or better.
5th appearance: 3.25 average or better.
6th appearance: 3.4 average or better.

And so on. This is to be better than 4.00; if Blue Radiance wins it all, its average would become 4.00 exactly after 6 appearances. The formula, I suppose, would be 4-(3/x), where X is the number of previous appearances.
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I mean mine was more of an antivote against Eleganza that it was anything else. That's certainly not the only song in the entire contest I'd have taken Kolima Forest over, but like I'm not exactly over here singing that song's praises or anything.
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But enough about the best averages. This contest also features a number of songs with ignominious histories.

In blowing out Battle! Wally, Hitomi no LAZhWARD avoided becoming the 20th song to lose in the first round in each of its first three appearances. 15 of the first 19 have yet to return for a fourth try (though one of those 15 is the VLR version of Blue Bird Lamentation, which is back in the contest this year in its ZTD form...and, uh, the 19th song was Sigma Stage 1 in the opening match of VGMC11); three have gone to 0-4, and one, Solstice Title Theme, made it to Round 2 in its fourth try but now holds a record of 1-5.

LAZhWARD is the eleventh song to win its first match in its third appearance. 2 of those songs are now 1-3, and two others are 1-4, having returned a fourth time and making another first-round exit. 3 are 2-3, having made the third round after breaking through but never returning, while Frog's Theme is 2-4, having left in Round 2 but returning for another round 2 appearance. There is, however, some hope.

Magical Dreamers has managed to work its way up to a .500 record, aka a 2.00 average, having made Round 3 on its third attempt and then again on its fourth. And Meaning of Birth currently holds the distinction of being the only retired song to require three appearances just to make R2 for the first time, as well as the only one to make Round 4 in its third appearance after starting out its career with two first-round exits. It made Round 3 in its fourth try, round 4 again in its fifth, and finally retired on the sixth try, exiting just past the retirement round, for an overall record of 12-6. (It's not the only one to be 3-3 after three appearances with all three wins coming in the same contest. Still Alive, from Portal, made R4 in its first appearance but left in R1 in its only other two appearances, while Battle with Magus made R4 in its second appearance but left in R1 in its first and third. And I specify Portal because the other "Still Alive", from Mirror's Edge, is actually one of that trio that went 1, 1, 3 and then never returned.)

The 0-4 trio and Solstice Title Theme aren't the only songs with four first-round exits. Astaroth is 3-6, but two of the three wins came in the same year, while Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke, after reaching round 4 in each of its first 3 appearances (a record, though one that can be broken this year), Round 3 in its first four, and round 2 in its first five, is just 1-5 over its last 5 appearances. No song has lost in the first round five times. ...RftMIS certainly does hold a lot of records, doesn't it? Its four first-round exits are tied for a record, but so are its three fourth-round exits (with Id ~ Purpose and Zero-Two). Three songs in this contest have made it there twice and lost...and while we're at it, there are still two more songs with 0-2 records thus far that are making their third appearance this contest.

Interestingly enough, past performance tended to be a fairly accurate predictor of which returners on the bubble would actually make it. 19 songs were on the bubble, of which 12 had to make it; 11 of these 19 songs would be returners if they made the field. Now, the actual ratio of newcomers to returners was skewed--with that split, a 7-5 split would be expected, but it was actually 6-6--but based on the formula for "top unretired songs", the six that made it were 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and t8 among the 11. If It Has To Be This Way (3 appearances, average 2.33) had made it instead of Fear Not this Night (never made Round 3 in two appearances, though it made R2 both times), the bubble would have perfectly favored the stronger proven commodities. (Had the actual 7-5 split come to pass, the 7th one that would've needed to make it would be Don't Be Defeated by a Friend!--one 3rd-round appearance trumps a 2.0 average over two.)
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

.and while we're at it, there are still two more songs with 0-2 records thus far that are making their third appearance this contest.

One of which is GBL Goddess Temple. I knew that without checking. But I can't find the other. Sigma Stage 1 and Hitomi no LAZhWARD already had their appearances. What's the other? The closest I see is Quell Excez Kranz, which has gone 2-1-1 and Septette for a Dead Princess at 1-2-1.

One thing I was surprised by with this field is that we have 33 entrants hae have reached R3 before. Considering only 60 songs are returning, that's a remarkably high proportion. Obviously that meant that during bracket placement, there were a number of songs that had at least one strong showing that didn't get an especially high seeding to reflect that. (Notably, Soar and Location of Power. Though I would argue both have winnable matches, even if I didn't favor them.)

Which, uh...kind of brings up the need for a recency factor in the formula. Even with it being Appearances times Average Squared, a single appearance reaching round 3 rates higher than one that's reached Round 3 and returned. It's...kind of strange, actually. If your average is above 2.00, you get punished for more total appearances, but if your average is at or below 2.00, the extra appearances are a reward.

1-4 has a higher score than 1-3, which is higher than 1-2, which is higher than 1-1. (If we ever see 1-6, that will actually be able to outscore 2-2, but 5 appearances is the most we've seen from anyone with only one win.)

Actually, it's more like...being above .500 is better than being below .500, but being far away from .500 is better than being close to it for a given number of wins. Here's the list of records for the "top unretired", going down the list.

12-6
13-10
11-5
12-9 = 10-4
9-3
10-5
9-4
8-3
9-5
9-8
8-4
8-5
7-3
6-2
7-4
7-5
6-3
6-4
5-2
6-5
5-3
5-4
5-6
5-5
4-2
4-6
4-3
4-4=3-1
3-6
3-5
3-2
3-4
3-3
2-1=2-4
2-3
2-2
1-5
1-4
1-3
1-2
1-1=0-4
0-3
0-2
0-1

Actually, it was right as I got to the bolded point that I realized it's not strange at all--the "average" is essentially "(wins plus losses)/losses", while the "appearances" is essentially equal to losses. So the formula becomes (wins+losses) squared divided by losses--in algebraic terms, y=(x+c)^2/x. No matter what the value of c is, the function will have its lowest value at x=c, and thus, for any given number of wins (c), your total score will be lowest if your average is exactly 2.00.

It's not a simple parabola, though, which is why 3-6 is still below 3-1; in fact, you'd have to get all the way to 3-9 to equal 3-1. Again, this isn't surprising--if you look at all of the "equals", both records involved feature perfect squares for loss totals. The scores will be equal if (wins+losses)/(square root of losses) is equal:

(0+4)/2=2; (1+1)/1=2
(2+1)/1=3; (2+4)/2=3
(3+1)/1=4; (3+9)/3=4; (4+4)/2=4
(12+9)/3=7; (10+4)/2=7. Yes, if scores were given out to retired songs as well, songs that exited in Round 7 on their first try (6-1 records) would also have the same score, although champions' scores don't actually match this formula because the real scoring formula isn't technically counting losses, but rather appearances; the two numbers are identical for every song that isn't a champion.

And, yes, if I were to give out scores to all of the retirees as well, Zero-Two would have the highest, at approximately 96.57. Second place would be a tie between SPHILIA and Zero, at 85.33, followed in fourth place by Hope, at 84.5, and then Seize the Truth, which won it all on its first try, at 81. Can anyone break the 100 mark this contest?

...Yes, it is in fact mathematically possible. If Id ~ Purpose were to win it all, its average would become 5.00, so its score--average squared times appearances--would be exactly 100.00. And...that's the only one who would gain a score of 100 with a championship. Others of note (all numbers assume championship):

Blue Radiance: 96.00
Eleganza: 90.25
Nefertiti: 88.17
RftMIS/TBIYtC: 87.36
FCDH: 85.33
Battle with Magus: 84.10
MARIA, Emil/Karma, Red Locus, goldenslaughterer, or Shrine of Solomon: 81.00

Which, again, shows a silly point: with 64.00 being the new "first-time victor" score, to actually reach the eighties, you need at least 3 appearances (and to do it in that few, you'd need to go 4, 4, 8).
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azuarc posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

.and while we're at it, there are still two more songs with 0-2 records thus far that are making their third appearance this contest.

One of which is GBL Goddess Temple. I knew that without checking. But I can't find the other. Sigma Stage 1 and Hitomi no LAZhWARD already had their appearances. What's the other? The closest I see is Quell Excez Kranz, which has gone 2-1-1 and Septette for a Dead Princess at 1-2-1.

One thing I was surprised by with this field is that we have 33 entrants hae have reached R3 before. Considering only 60 songs are returning, that's a remarkably high proportion. Obviously that meant that during bracket placement, there were a number of songs that had at least one strong showing that didn't get an especially high seeding to reflect that. (Notably, Soar and Location of Power. Though I would argue both have winnable matches, even if I didn't favor them.)

Daddy Mulk. Listed as being 1-and-done in both VGMC5 and VGMC7, though I can find no record of it even being in the latter.

Update: I have officially found that Daddy Mulk was in fact in VGMC5 and VGMC9, and it was indeed 1-and-done both times. So it's almost certainly 0-2, unless it's actually 0-3; I missed VGMC8 completely so I can't use "my brackets" to shortcut back there.
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

And, yes, if I were to give out scores to all of the retirees as well, Zero-Two would have the highest, at approximately 96.57.

Higher than STDWE? *fiddles with spreadsheet* Huh, yup, way higher. I had a different formula in place previously, and the values were really high for the retired tracks.

Anyway, I'll read the rest of your post later. I gotta run out and just cherrypicked that one sentence.

azuarc posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

And, yes, if I were to give out scores to all of the retirees as well, Zero-Two would have the highest, at approximately 96.57.

Higher than STDWE? *fiddles with spreadsheet* Huh, yup, way higher. I had a different formula in place previously, and the values were really high for the retired tracks.

Anyway, I'll read the rest of your post later. I gotta run out and just cherrypicked that one sentence.

That's not surprising at all. STDWE only had one contest more than 02, and it only just managed to retire when it finally got there whereas 02 was a contest runner-up...wait, you're actually inputting the retired tracks for comparison? Albeit with a drastically nerfed formula, one that puts greater emphasis on appearances than averages, bumping STDWE up to 2nd among retired songs...

That's so disorienting, because I know full well that the retired songs should almost unilaterally have huge values. Even songs that went 1 and done on their first appearance, then lost just after retirement in their second have scores of 18.00 (this is the lowest on record, though far from the lowest possible as the numbers will continue to drop the more first-round defeats you add in. Seymour Battle, however, with a progression of 1, 2, 1, 5, has a better score.)

A full list of songs in this contest that can beat STDWE's score by the old method (66.125) and the round they'd have to reach to do it:

RftMIS 4
TBIYtC 4
Blue Radiance 4
Battle with Magus 5
Id ~ Purpose 5
Nefertiti 5
Eleganza 6
Another Winter 6
In the Final 7
MARIA 7
Emil/Karma 7
Red Locus 7
goldenslaughterer 7
Shrine of Solomon 7
FCDH 7
J-E-N-O-V-A 8
Temptation of the Butterfly 8
YOaTI 8
Halo 8
Big Blue 8
Dr. Fetus' Castle 8

I'm not really sure what I think about changing the formula; this new one only increases the reward for quantity over quality, and I know a lot of people are getting tired of the same songs being in it over and over again. (For example, under the new formula, Zero-Two is still #1 because it took 7 tries to retire but averaged a 3.00 over the six failures; STDWE is #2 because it took 8 tries and averaged 2.57 over the seven failures; Zero and SPHILIA are tied for third, with their 3.5 average over two failures followed by winning it all back when that meant 8 matches rather than 7...and RftMIS and TBIYtC are tied for fifth, at 34.88, for making it in 10 times and averaging a 2.3. The averages you'd need just to break 30, by appearances.

1: Not happening unless the contest expands to 9 rounds and a first-timer wins it all.
2: 6.50, which Hope has, but no others can get unless the contest expands back to 8 rounds and someone wins it all on their second try after just missing out on retirement in their debut
3: 4.67, which is...doable, but still requires a retirement on the third try with a very good average on the two failures.
4: 4.00
5: 3.40
6: 3.00
7: 2.71
8: 2.50
9: 2.33
10: 2.10
11: 2.00
12: 1.92
13: 1.77
14: 1.71

...the decay rate there is awfully quick. Keep in mind, that's just the arbitrary score of 30. I wanted to calculate how many consecutive first-round exits it'd take one of our regulars to actually get below 30, but it might not ever happen--the numerators on those last six are 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, 24. Going further back, it's 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, 24--and that's all the way back to 4 appearances.

...Yeah, confirmed. Our three mainstays would all have their scores rise even with a one-and-done. Granted, even under the current formula, they won't fall much by going 1-and-done--as I stated before, if your average is 2.00, any appearance will raise your score.
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Scars of Time did have to win 8 matches, but both of its last two matches were considered the final

we were somewhat fortunate that we ended up with a definitive champion - at one point, a three-way final was considered if it ended up going A > B > C
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So in the case of RftMIS and TBIYTC, it would take 3 straight 1-and-done appearances just to drop them from 52.9 to 52.0, and after that, their score will start rising again even if they keep going one-and-done. BwM would also need three 1-and-dones to level off at 48.0 (currently 49.0), and will never be able to drop below that.

Basically, your score can never drop below 4*your win total, no matter how many 0-1 contests you have; our big three are 13-10, 13-10, and 12-9.

Under the new formula, however, the "line" where a 1-and-done raises your score becomes considerably higher. If, for example, Awakening were to make a 7th appearance and go 1-and-done, its new score by the new method would be 31.3027, compared to...31.1769 right now, as you can plainly see because it has the same number of appearances and average as Face of Fact. Which is actually pretty mild; making that same comparison with one whose average is 3.00 after just one appearance, the jump is from 5.1962 to 5.6569. (...okay, actually, that's a poor example, because under the current formula, your score is 9 after a 3rd-round debut, and can only drop as far as 8 after a single 1st-round exit before starting to rebound again even with further first-round exits. But that's because your average drops to 2.00 on the first one.)

But what about starting with a 4.00?

4: 8
4, 1: 7.9057

4, 4: 16
4, 4, 1: 15.5885

4, 4, 4: 24
4, 4, 4, 1: 23.4361

Well, it is getting further away...

4, 4, 4, 3: 29.0474
4, 4, 4, 3, 1: 28.6217

4, 4, 4, 3, 3: 34.1526
4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 1: 33.8107

4, 3: 13.0958
4, 3, 1: 13.0639

...Yeah, seems like we're getting pretty close. When using the 3.5 average over 6 appearances instead of 2, the 1-and-done dropped the score from 39.2874 to 39.0018. So...I'm thinking that the "turnpoint", where even a 1-and-done will increase your score, is just a tad below 3.5. Given that this formula was made to gauge the strength of unretired songs and any unretired song has by definition an average no better than 4.00, this means that songs will almost inherently "grow stronger" the longer they fail to retire. Which, okay, already happens to some degree, since those with poor overall averages will grow with every appearance anyway, but right now, even though the top of the list is filled with entries that keep showing up, there are also some that just have really high averages over a few appearances. Id ~ Purpose is #8 on the unretired list after just three appearances; under the new method, its score of 24 would be beaten out by...okay, bad example; for four appearances, it would still take a 3.50 average; for five, it'd take 3.00; and as it stands right now, the spot directly behind Id ~ Purpose belongs to a 5/3.00.

Also, I think I just thought of a way to reward recency. Each time that an unretired song that has made a contest fails to make the field, put a 0 in its row (every other time starting with VGMC10, since the halved field size makes it harder to make the field). In doing this, a song that made Round 4 in VGMC1 but has yet to return would have had its average dwindle to...0.40? ...Okay, it needs some tweaking. Maybe every other miss, every fourth miss starting with VGMC10 (if a song had an odd number of misses through VGMC9, start with the second miss since then). So, yes, a single 4th-round appearance in VGMC1 would be worth less than a 1-and-done last year. ...perhaps we should also erase one previous 0 with each appearance, so that something that debuted early but came back after a hiatus isn't punished as badly as one that never returned.
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Daddy Mulk. Listed as being 1-and-done in both VGMC5 and VGMC7, though I can find no record of it even being in the latter.

There are two versions of Daddy Mulk. The one that's in this year's contest was round 2 in year 8, round 1 in year 9. The other listing in the spreadsheet is for the NES version of the song.

what in the hell happened here
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this is what happens when people try to rank the songs without just asking me for the correct order
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xp1337 posted...

wow

words can hurt you know

Hey man, sorry if you took offense, I wasn't actually being serious.
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Haha, no. When I use lower case and no punctuation like that I'm not being serious either. Most of the time at least, occasionally I'm just being lazy but I try to keep the distinction up.
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Actually, it was right as I got to the bolded point that I realized it's not strange at all--the "average" is essentially "(wins plus losses)/losses", while the "appearances" is essentially equal to losses. So the formula becomes (wins+losses) squared divided by losses--in algebraic terms, y=(x+c)^2/x. No matter what the value of c is, the function will have its lowest value at x=c, and thus, for any given number of wins (c), your total score will be lowest if your average is exactly 2.00.

If I rewrite your function as x + 2c + c^2/x, the derivative is 1 - c^2/x^2, meaning it will have a min when x=c. So yes, that is a peculiarity. It also has a slant asymptote that approaches y= x+2c and is perpetually concave up, so it will gradually flatten to that value for large x. Not that we're ever going to hit large enough x values for that to be really all that consequential.

It's not a simple parabola, though, which is why 3-6 is still below 3-1; in fact, you'd have to get all the way to 3-9 to equal 3-1.

It's not a parabola at all. It's a hyperbola. 3-9 shouldn't be equal to 3-1.
3-1: 4.00^2*1 = 16
3-2: 2.50^2*2 = 12.5
3-3: 2.00^2*3 = 12 (min)
3-5: 1.60^2*5 = 12.8
3-7: 1.43^2*7 = 14.3
3-9: 1.33^2*9 = 16

But
4-1: 5.00^2*1 = 25
4-2: 3.00^2*2 = 18
4-3: 2.33^2*3 = 16.33
4-4: 2.00^2*4 = 16 (min)
4-9: 1.44^2*9 = 18.22

So as you can see, winning one more match is far more valuable than simply putting in another appearance. If c is the variable rather than x, the derivative is linear with a slope of 2/x. (Assuming I did that correctly in my head.)

I designed the formula to reward songs that do well overall, but also to acknowledge that longevity also matters. But no, it's not a flawless formula. It was just a very easy one for me to enact without much thought, and I never expected anyone to do this much analysis on it. But since you are, if you have a superior suggestion, by all means, suggest it.

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

wait, you're actually inputting the retired tracks for comparison? Albeit with a drastically nerfed formula, one that puts greater emphasis on appearances than averages, bumping STDWE up to 2nd among retired songs...

That's so disorienting, because I know full well that the retired songs should almost unilaterally have huge values.

They should, so yes that's weird. And actually they were always on that sheet. I just filtered them out. Today I removed the filter for curiosity.

Results day 5:

Well, it finally happened. Four straight days I played with fire regarding the deadline. First I knew I'd be out and got help. Then I thought I might be out and got my roommate to post. Then I was having trouble staying awake and toughed it out. Finally today, I had no idea I was still going to be out at 10, but I stayed at my sister's for a family outing and ended up chatting way late. My apologies. If at least one of the matches is within 3 at the normal 10:00 deadline, I'll keep them all open until 11:30. (Obviously I won't want to say which one is close.)

Aurora's Theme < lixAxil, 12-20
Kolima Forest < Eleganza (Cthylla Stage), 8-24
Halo < An Ill Omen, 14-18

Only the last match was contested, although Aurora's didn't get buried until later. Still, Ill Omen put up a 9-3 push at the end to come from behind and made it look convincing.

azuarc posted...

Aurora's Theme < lixAxil, 12-20

xp1337 posted...

well guys it's been a fun [four] days but i'm sorry to inform you that vgmc has been cancelled effective immediately.

see you next year. maybe. if we show we deserve vgmc.

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*nods*

There goes bracket.

I don't care but Eleganza better beat that bad song.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

I don't care but Eleganza better beat that bad song.

I suspect that Aurora's Theme is scarcely stronger than Kolima Forest (even though I enjoy listening to one and not the other,) so even though lixAxil had a slightly stronger opponent, Eleganza tripled its foe. I doubt there's much to worry about there...unless you dislike Eleganza, which is where several of the KF votes came from.

azuarc posted...

One of which is GBL Goddess Temple. I knew that without checking.

tfw instantly recognizing Daddy Mulk as the other
tfw having nominated both songs this year
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I was expecting all of Kolima's votes to come from Eleganza anti-votes, but it's actually a pretty decent track on its own. Makes me feel like I'm walking to Varrock or something.
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azuarc posted...

Hopes and Dreams > Paradission, 16-14
Knight of a Foreign Country > Rain of Blossoms, 22-8

well I missed that day but I very much like these results
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FL81 posted...

tfw instantly recognizing Daddy Mulk as the other

From VGMC8:

Daddy Mulk (Ninja Warriors [Sega CD])
14-14 (11-10)
Everdawn Basin (Dust: An Elysian Tail)

Daddy Mulk (Ninja Warriors [Sega CD])
12-12 (12-13)
Meaning of Birth (Tales of the Abyss)

This contest sure is going wonderfully
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it really is!
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the actual main bracket has gone fairly well so far

but it hasn't even been a week and vgmc can turn fast
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xp1337 posted...

the actual main bracket has gone fairly well so far

but it hasn't even been a week and vgmc can turn fast

I hope you're ready for a CRUSHING AND CONVINCING LINCA loss xp

(actually let's hope it doesn't happen but you can never be sure with VGMC, the momentum can swing between great and awful faster than a bad shonen fight)
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I finally got around to filling out Bracket B and the side bracket.
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Anyone who wants to vote in the next 90 can, but I'm calling these now.


Results, day 6:
Another Winter < Birth of a God, 15-18
I'll Face Myself < EXEC_LINCA/, 13-19
Ezio's Family < Right Hand from Behind, 10-23

Dat bottom option. This marks Another Winter's earliest exit.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I hope you're ready for a CRUSHING AND CONVINCING LINCA loss xp

1. I'm always doing votals on my end so I typically know the score at whatever time, so this wouldn't take me by surprise
2. LINCA was safely winning so huh?
3. LINCA losing wouldn't crush me too hard. Sure it's my favorite song in A2 or wherever we are, but I like tons of EXA_PICO songs more. Certainly wouldn't get too upset over it losing to I'll Face Myself (Battle).
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pleasantly surprised by the LINCA result, was expecting it to get crushed when I first saw the topic (though at least it wouldn't have lost to a bad song)
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Wuh but.....Another Winter is great
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not as great as Birth of a God
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xp1337 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I hope you're ready for a CRUSHING AND CONVINCING LINCA loss xp

2. LINCA was safely winning so huh?
3. LINCA losing wouldn't crush me too hard. Sure it's my favorite song in A2 or wherever we are, but I like tons of EXA_PICO songs more. Certainly wouldn't get too upset over it losing to I'll Face Myself (Battle).

That was just me joking because AT always seems to get early exits these days. That and I (and a lot of other people apparently) had an initial impression that it was getting trained, probably because I'll Face Myself kept going very even with it aside from a single long streak LINCA had.
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Birth of a God is boring. If it were JENOVA, Fight On!, or even the main battle theme, I would get it.

EDIT eh that's maybe harsh, it's good but I just think Another Winter's significantly better. Very Undertale-sounding.
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Ok something has been bothering the hell out of me. In Hopes and Dreams--the melody that plays at about 1:30 in the song. (Which I think is considered Flowey's Theme?) Is there any song on the OST that isn't from the endgame where that melody plays? The only one I was able to find is Your Best Friend, but I could have sworn this was a more prominent melody than that. Maybe my memory is just bad after a year and a half though.
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There are so many better FF7 tracks than BoaG.

It's probably time to give up on I'll Face Myself.
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The Fog is better than I'll Face Myself anyway.
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Janus5k posted...

The Fog is better than I'll Face Myself anyway.

I don't agree with this, but there's enough songs better than both that I don't think it really matters.
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It's time to give up on 2hu in general
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Results, day 7

Six Feet Thunder > Septette for the Dead Princess, 21-10
Emotions < The Red Locus, 11-20
Overworld Adventure > Boomer Kuwanger, 16-13

I was all set to make a joke about how Nintendo's not in either contest (outside of Pokemon, or Fire Emblem, or Xeno...okay, you get the idea!), but Spirit Tracks has hung in there to prevail against the boom.

Main bracket contests weren't close. Is that a sign that we'll have a good R2 match, or did one of those two prey on fodder?

Main bracket contests weren't close. Is that a sign that we'll have a good R2 match, or did both of those two prey on fodder?

Fix'd

I think both of these entrants suck and will fold in R3 to anything with even the slightest bit of strength, but let's not kid ourselves about a 2hu track and a mediocre xenogears being strong as hell
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barreldragon88 posted...

There are so many better FF7 tracks than BoaG.

It's probably time to give up on I'll Face Myself.

Also

Nom the reincarnation version

Literally the same song but much enhanced because it's a final boss theme with all the polish that implies. Zero point nomming I'll Face Myself's basic version
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Fix'd

I think both of these entrants suck and will fold in R3 to anything with even the slightest bit of strength, but let's not kid ourselves about a 2hu track and a mediocre xenogears being strong as hell

What about a Necrodancer track or Radiant Historia?

azuarc posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Fix'd

I think both of these entrants suck and will fold in R3 to anything with even the slightest bit of strength, but let's not kid ourselves about a 2hu track and a mediocre xenogears being strong as hell

What about a Necrodancer track or Radiant Historia?

I haven't checked Necrodancer's history but RH had like, one year where it did OK and it's been terrible ever since, IIRC

This was basically the equivalent of Jak/Chie + Duke Nukem/Laharl in a character battle
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trdl23 posted...

It's time to give up on 2hu in general

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

barreldragon88 posted...

There are so many better FF7 tracks than BoaG.

It's probably time to give up on I'll Face Myself.

Also

Nom the reincarnation version

Literally the same song but much enhanced because it's a final boss theme with all the polish that implies. Zero point nomming I'll Face Myself's basic version

Actually yeah forget what I said about The Fog

this guy knows
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