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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 4:45:00 PM
#201:


I literally told Chris to shoot me. Scum doesn't say that when they've already lost one guy after about 30 seconds.

That solves everything. I apologize for being completely wrong about you.
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Articuno2001
02/07/12 4:46:00 PM
#202:


Hmmm. Just going to dump some thoughts here, hopefully most of this makes sense.

Town reads: Chris, Reg, Eagles, Luis
Scum reads: Walrus, Silver, SBell

Chris is dayvig. Not worried about him for now.
Luis has done a good job explaining so far and it reminds me of his Chaos II play.
I have a foolproof method of determining Reg is town, and I am almost 100% sure he is here.
Eagles is a new player and people suspecting him are being too paranoid, imo.

Walrus has ignored votes on him, and did a fast backpedal on me after he was accused of bandwagoning.
Silver has posted very little and basically has done nothing but trying to discredit me, and posted that terrible post (#151) that was picked apart by Chris. He still has not replied to my post on him back in topic one.
SBell tried to defend Silver back when he voted me for my 'terrible reasoning' on Silver, even though my vote on him was sound. His anger int his topic also seems fake, as well as the fact he used a game he was scum in to prove his points. 'what'

Looks good so far.

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:46:00 PM
#203:


Plums first act was to quetsion Eagles a bit
dont think he spoke to anyone else besides him, Dizzy and.. well..Chris

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 4:47:00 PM
#204:


And Ulti to respond to you, me claiming like that is pretty much a nulltell for me. I'll do it of either alignment, so to say it's a scum tell doesn't work.
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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 4:49:00 PM
#205:


The only people plum mentioned outside of jdizzy and Dante were two of the new guys (catastrophe and Eagles) and Chris (lol). I guess you're right about not learning as much from it as I'd like, because it didn't take awfully long to read all his posts (Chris shot him on page 3, jeez)

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:50:00 PM
#206:


also he said he was surpised by Catastrophe's vote/unvote of Spiral
thats all basically
asides from Dizzy and Eagles nobody even (got the chance to) talked to Plum

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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 4:50:00 PM
#207:


XIII can be an angry mother****er.

I do have a foul temper, it is true.

That solves everything. I apologize for being completely wrong about you.

Unvote me then jeez.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 4:51:00 PM
#208:


Unvote me then jeez.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 4:51:00 PM
#209:


From: htaeD | #195
hmm rereading all of Sbells posts in one go makes him seem rather more reactive than active


Not reactive, but responsive. You mention me and not liking something I've done I'm going to explain why I've done what I did.



Frankly, up until a little bittle ago I was feeling pretty good about this Day but it appears that nothing I do is really going to matter if I already have players like Chris, Luis and Ulti all thinking that I'm part of the scum team. You get three Vets thinking you are scum and anyone is going to follow them onto your lynch. It would appear that nothing I say will really matter at this point. Nothing i've ever done has ever convinced anyone I'm not scum in the past when they get on me, that is till they lynch me and see they were wrong but they'll just follow that up with a "yeah, it was a good lynch anyway he was totally scummy"


Now I told Arti Iwould go back and reread what lead up to my vote on him so i am going to finish cooking dinner and do that. But Chris why don't you respond to me instead of ignoring me when I address you directly.

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:51:00 PM
#210:


of course any smart player would think not offering yourself to be shot by Chris would just get Chris to shoot you..

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SBell0105
02/07/12 4:51:00 PM
#211:


@death, i meant that YOU stuff generally, not at you directly. Just reread th at and realized it felt like it was pointed at you. Its not.

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Raka_Putra
02/07/12 4:52:00 PM
#212:


Good morning/afternoon.

Oh, now I'm even more confused.
That theory about Sir Chris being a shapeshifter is interesting and does make sense. Even I know that he is a seasoned Mafia player, I wouldn't put a gambit like that past him. If this were a decent work of fiction, it would make for a rather good if predictable twist. Wouldn't push it right now though.

Then there are Kracko, Silver, SBell, Drakeryn, and Regaro, who also look suspicious.

But man, I'm just like a parrot now, I can't come up with my own suspicions yet. I think I'll vote soon, a good time as any.

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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 4:52:00 PM
#213:


Walrus has ignored votes on him, and did a fast backpedal on me after he was accused of bandwagoning.

Kracko did the same, why not mention him?

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 4:53:00 PM
#214:


From: Raka_Putra | #212
That theory about Sir Chris being a shapeshifter is interesting and does make sense.


No it doesn't, that role is banned. And it would be Plum who would be the shapeshifter, not Chris.

Then there are Kracko, Silver, SBell, Drakeryn, and Regaro, who also look suspicious.


I'll give you Silver and SBell. Leaning town on Kracko since Walrus is on him, Reg is town, and Drak I'm neutral on so far.

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:53:00 PM
#215:


wait when did people start calling Chris a shapeshifter?
has chrisanoia increased that much after the last game?

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:55:00 PM
#216:


oh nvm

also I getya Sbell
hell I even found a quote of you from FE mafia where you said 'reactions are for winners'

admittedly you survrved there because someone worse showed up

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 4:55:00 PM
#217:


Frankly, up until a little bittle ago I was feeling pretty good about this Day but it appears that nothing I do is really going to matter if I already have players like Chris, Luis and Ulti all thinking that I'm part of the scum team. You get three Vets thinking you are scum and anyone is going to follow them onto your lynch. It would appear that nothing I say will really matter at this point. Nothing i've ever done has ever convinced anyone I'm not scum in the past when they get on me, that is till they lynch me and see they were wrong but they'll just follow that up with a "yeah, it was a good lynch anyway he was totally scummy"

Cut the pity party and nail scum to the wall if you're town. That's all you can do, and if they can't see your alignment for what it is screw them.
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Articuno2001
02/07/12 4:56:00 PM
#218:


From: Luis_Sera89 | #213
Walrus has ignored votes on him, and did a fast backpedal on me after he was accused of bandwagoning.

Kracko did the same, why not mention him?


Kracko was not accused of bandwagoning. Has he posted in this topic? Walrus is also on him, which is good in my book.
Walrus also stands out to me more, because his bandwagon was on me. He's also been absent for a good amount of time since the first page of this topic.

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Raka_Putra
02/07/12 4:56:00 PM
#219:


From: Articuno2001 | #214
[quoted text]

No it doesn't, that role is banned. And it would be Plum who would be the shapeshifter, not Chris.

[quoted text]

I'll give you Silver and SBell. Leaning town on Kracko since Walrus is on him, Reg is town, and Drak I'm neutral on so far.


Ooh, sorry. Didn't know that (and Eagles wouldn't know that as well). And yeah, I meant Plum.
Than Chris really is a 'day vignette'. Phew. It'd be bad to have him on the scum team.

Well, then out of Silver and SBell, I'm leaning towards SBell. Silver just hasn't given us much to work on (although his last post said he's going to do just that).

From: htaeD | #215
wait when did people start calling Chris a shapeshifter?
has chrisanoia increased that much after the last game?


Sorry. >.<

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 4:58:00 PM
#220:


From: Raka_Putra | #219
Silver just hasn't given us much to work on (although his last post said he's going to do just that).


which was... about a hour and a half ago.

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htaeD
02/07/12 4:59:00 PM
#221:


btw I assume day isnt really going to end at .. what was it.. your 1 PM?

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Drakeryn
02/07/12 5:00:00 PM
#222:


XIII's explanation makes me feel a good deal better about him, despite misgivings that I'm being too easily swayed. And I do kind of buy his argument that scum wouldn't taunt Chris to shoot again.

##Unvote

But the main thing I'm seeing is that Regaro's hop from Articuno to Kracko doesn't feel right. The Articuno lynch is losing steam, and right when the people on the Articuno lynch are starting to attract negative attention, Reg bails. He doesn't even mention Articuno in his post (and hasn't mentioned a change of opinion all topic), he just scoots off the lynch.

Reg, what are your current thoughts on Articuno?

#212 | Raka_Putra | Posted 2/7/2012 6:52:16 PM | message detail | quote
Then there are Kracko, Silver, SBell, Drakeryn, and Regaro, who also look suspicious.


Why? You mentioned me as suspicious earlier, immediately after Ulti did, but you gave no reason then either. Interested in reasons for all the people that you list.


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SBell0105
02/07/12 5:00:00 PM
#223:


From: Dark_Spiral | #217
Cut the pity party and nail scum to the wall if you're town. That's all you can do, and if they can't see your alignment for what it is screw them.




Which is all I've been trying to do.

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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 5:01:00 PM
#224:


Frankly, up until a little bittle ago I was feeling pretty good about this Day but it appears that nothing I do is really going to matter if I already have players like Chris, Luis and Ulti all thinking that I'm part of the scum team. You get three Vets thinking you are scum and anyone is going to follow them onto your lynch. It would appear that nothing I say will really matter at this point. Nothing i've ever done has ever convinced anyone I'm not scum in the past when they get on me, that is till they lynch me and see they were wrong but they'll just follow that up with a "yeah, it was a good lynch anyway he was totally scummy"

If smart players think you're scum in every game that's probably an indication that your style is naturally scummy. >_>

Though this post is incredibly whiny...but I buy it from a town perspective. hmm.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 5:02:00 PM
#225:


Which is all I've been trying to do.

Then don't concern yourself with them so much. Vets have clout yeah, but you'd be surprised how often someone who is town manages to get out of worse situations. See me in NFL Mafia where I replaced, you'll understand.
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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 5:03:00 PM
#226:


Cut the pity party and nail scum to the wall if you're town. That's all you can do, and if they can't see your alignment for what it is screw them.

So why aren't you doing that with me? Why have you only tried to nail me to the wall when prodded by Owl? Why is your vote on me but not your mind?

You're either an unbelievable hypocrite, scum, or both.

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Achromatic
02/07/12 5:04:00 PM
#227:


K I went back and read Bible mafia. Sbell is so scum.

##unvote:
##vote: Sbell.


Same exact tone.

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KingKracko
02/07/12 5:04:00 PM
#228:


I am going to come out outright and say that I am town confirmable, meaning I can easily confirm myself town. Not to seem reactionary, but considering my relative terrible play, I would not be surprised if some scum have jumped on me because of an easy mislynch, so it would not surprise me if one or both of Walrus and Reg are scum. In fact, I'll

##Vote: Regaro

You definitely seem like someone who is hopping around to the easiest mislynch.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 5:05:00 PM
#229:


So why aren't you doing that with me? Why have you only tried to nail me to the wall when prodded by Owl? Why is your vote on me but not your mind?

You're either an unbelievable hypocrite, scum, or both.


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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:05:00 PM
#230:


Reg is not scum, stop this foolishness.

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Not_an_Owl
02/07/12 5:06:00 PM
#231:


I'm feeling very gray on SBell. Like, I feel like he's not really going for anything, just trying to keep his head down. And then when people call him on it he's getting very whiny and snappish. Slight scum lean.

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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 5:08:00 PM
#233:


I would not be surprised if some scum have jumped on me because of an easy mislynch, so it would not surprise me if one or both of Walrus and Reg are scum.

Reg isn't voting for you.

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greengravy294
02/07/12 5:08:00 PM
#234:


From: KingKracko | #228
I am going to come out outright and say that I am town confirmable, meaning I can easily confirm myself town. Not to seem reactionary, but considering my relative terrible play, I would not be surprised if some scum have jumped on me because of an easy mislynch, so it would not surprise me if one or both of Walrus and Reg are scum. In fact, I'll

##Vote: Regaro

You definitely seem like someone who is hopping around to the easiest mislynch.


How exactly is Regaro scum? I fail to see your reasoning. Especially the "hopping" part.

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:09:00 PM
#235:


From: UltimaterializerX | #232
Stu, a scum read doesn't mean I want you dead in 5 seconds. I have a 3/5 rule, and I would take you and Spiral off that list if a gun were held to my head.

Reg and Kracko are scum, easily. It's Drak that's the cornerstone there.


I think the choices you made are dumb.
Also Kracko just claimed town confirmable.

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:10:00 PM
#236:


From: Luis_Sera89 | #233
I would not be surprised if some scum have jumped on me because of an easy mislynch, so it would not surprise me if one or both of Walrus and Reg are scum.

Reg isn't voting for you.


From: _Regaro_ | #161
##unvote
##Vote: Kracko



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_Regaro_
02/07/12 5:10:00 PM
#237:


From: Drakeryn | #222
But the main thing I'm seeing is that Regaro's hop from Articuno to Kracko doesn't feel right. The Articuno lynch is losing steam, and right when the people on the Articuno lynch are starting to attract negative attention, Reg bails. He doesn't even mention Articuno in his post (and hasn't mentioned a change of opinion all topic), he just scoots off the lynch.

Reg, what are your current thoughts on Articuno?


I still think he's pretty scummy. But like you said, people are bailing on the lynch, and my vote there isn't doing much good in terms of pressure, especially in light of that. However, I don't think he's quite as suspicious as Kra-

From: KingKracko | #228
I am going to come out outright and say that I am town confirmable, meaning I can easily confirm myself town


Oh man, this I gotta see

but considering my relative terrible play, I would not be surprised if some scum have jumped on me because of an easy mislynch


Also uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm not particularly sure about Walrus (But he's been reasonably active thus far, which is good), but you're saying "I played scummy, so scum must've voted for me"

Anyways, Confirmable claim aside, I still think his play is more suspicious than Articuno's.

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Achromatic
02/07/12 5:10:00 PM
#238:


When confronted with something in Bible Sbell would act very affronted. For example early into day 2 I called a post Sbell obviously worked very hard on rambling and he took exception to it and just started to whine about how it wasn't rambling and I wasn't being fair.

Sbell is scum and as the only confirmed person in this game, you should listen to me.

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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 5:11:00 PM
#239:


Whoops, I'm looking at outdated votals.

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:11:00 PM
#240:


From: _Regaro_ | #237
I'm not particularly sure about Walrus (But he's been reasonably active thus far, which is good), but you're saying "I played scummy, so scum must've voted for me".


what.

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_Regaro_
02/07/12 5:13:00 PM
#242:


From: Articuno2001 | #240
what.


Which part don't you get?

He literally said "I've played badly, so scum has voted for me"

it's like the exact same thing SBell tried to pull in FE, and regardless of alignments, it's a senseless thing to say

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:13:00 PM
#243:


From: _Regaro_ | #242
Which part don't you get?

He literally said "I've played badly, so scum has voted for me"

it's like the exact same thing SBell tried to pull in FE, and regardless of alignments, it's a senseless thing to say


I was actually referring to the part about Walrus, not Kracko.

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_Regaro_
02/07/12 5:15:00 PM
#244:


From: Articuno2001 | #243
I was actually referring to the part about Walrus, not Kracko.


Oh

It's basically that I'm slightly leaning Town on Walrus but I can't say for sure that he isn't scum who hopped on a Town Kracko

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SBell0105
02/07/12 5:16:00 PM
#245:


##Unvote Arti


Arti, a reread of your interaction with Silver and a reread of how I reacted to your vote on him has shown that last night I was not reading properly as you accused me of, actually i think i proved that point by the time I went to bed. Your reasons for voting Silver while looking like a Countervote still seem quite valid and looking at Silvers vote on you it does feel pretty forced. Currently I don't think either of you are above suspicion but I really can't see myself voting for you right now and to be honest after the last few pages of you here I am feeling better about you.


Speaking of not being able to read:

From: Achromatic | #227
K I went back and read Bible mafia. Sbell is so scum.

##unvote:
##vote: Sbell.


Same exact tone.


You put your first half of this day to shame with comparing me to Bible and with voting for me. I have it my right mind to let you go ahead and convince everyone to jump on just so i can have the satisfaction of laughing in your face as soon as I flip but that would do nothing to assist my Town Team of winning this game.

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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 5:18:00 PM
#246:


From: Dark_Spiral | #229
I've been after you most of the day since I've voted you? First I've heard of Owl prodding me too.


Sorry, just checked back and it was InsaneOne. He brings it up on the bottom of page 2 itt: Oh, and reading over XIII and Spiral last night, I don't really like that interaction much.

Spiral is right in calling out XIII as basically just completely focusing on him and not doing anything else, but Spiral has pretty much done the exact same thing the opposite direction. He has basically sat there calling XIII's attacks baseless but hasn't contributed much outside of that.


Then you talk about it for a while on page 3 before fading out again. I didn't look in this topic until about 90 minutes ago and I expected to find you relentlessly attacking me and trying to get me lynched, given you said that's what you do as town if you have a scumread on somebody. But nope. Nothing really. Not until somebody actually brought it up.

Like I said, hypocrite, scum, or hypocritical scum.

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Raka_Putra
02/07/12 5:19:00 PM
#247:


From: Articuno2001 | #220
which was... about a hour and a half ago.


Well, that's true. Hmm....
Between Silver and SBell, who is the stronger/more experienced Mafia player?

From: Drakeryn | #222

#212 | Raka_Putra | Posted 2/7/2012 6:52:16 PM | message detail | quote
Then there are Kracko, Silver, SBell, Drakeryn, and Regaro, who also look suspicious.


Why? You mentioned me as suspicious earlier, immediately after Ulti did, but you gave no reason then either. Interested in reasons for all the people that you list.


Although they're mostly based on (read: stolen from) other people's observations, sure.


Kracko: 'He's even more blatantly useless and instantly backing off the one time he did post a suspicion and displaying absolutely no backbone.' - Regaro

Drakeryn: 'Most of his posts are "new guy XYZ isn't clever enough to do ABC", which is fluff content because everyone knows this about new people.' - Ulti

Regaro: Umm, because vets are doubting him (Sir Chris is especially reassuring, although not to say that vets can't make mistakes) . Also, easy mislynch or something. I swear I had something more concrete, but I had to reread the topic again. Perhaps I'll remember it later.

Silver: 'He has posted very little and basically has done nothing but trying to discredit Articuno, and posted that terrible post (#151) that was picked apart by Sir Chris. He still has not replied to the post against him by Articuno back in topic one.' - Articuno

SBell: 'He tried to defend Silver back when he voted Articuno for my 'terrible reasoning' on Silver, even though Articuno's vote on him was sound. His anger in this topic also seems unconvincing.' - Articuno. Also, Chris says he's 'confirmed scum'.

My playstyle (if you can even call it that) is mainly based on other's opinions (not a good thing, I'm sure, but hey, I've gotta start somewhere as a relatively newbie). And I give veterans' opinions more weight. Although that could backfire if they're actually scums.

But for now
##vote: SBell
REALLY unsure about this, but eh, I can still change it later.

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Drakeryn
02/07/12 5:19:00 PM
#248:


#237 | _Regaro_ | Posted 2/7/2012 7:10:15 PM | message detail | quote
I still think he's pretty scummy. But like you said, people are bailing on the lynch, and my vote there isn't doing much good in terms of pressure, especially in light of that. However, I don't think he's quite as suspicious as Kra-


Not really buying this. If you were town, and momentum died on a lynch of someone you thought was scummy, I don't think your reaction would be to shrug and hop off. Especially because you don't even mention Articuno in your Kracko vote post -- it's as if he temporarily disappeared.


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Articuno2001
02/07/12 5:20:00 PM
#249:


From: XIII_rocks | #246
Sorry, just checked back and it was InsaneOne.


Speaking of InsaneOne, where the hell is he? He was very active in Fire Emblem where he was town, but I'm not seeing that here at all.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 5:20:00 PM
#250:


Then you talk about it for a while on page 3 before fading out again. I didn't look in this topic until about 90 minutes ago and I expected to find you relentlessly attacking me and trying to get me lynched,

My vote has been on you all day. I've laid out my arguments, I've done just that. You seem to have this misconception I need to type in all caps to bury you. I seem to be doing a good job of it as is. So no, not going to let you rattle me and lose sight of what my arguments on you are about, thanks. Also, your Achille's heel here is that I haven't faded at any point during this day. I've been considerably active, so I don't think just saying I'm scum over and over is going to do you much good when your arguments themselves don't make much sense.
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