Basically, you're scared of my influence because I'm one of three people in this game who can lynch whoever I want
bahaha
the other two people being Spiral
BAHAHA
I can literally go 1 versus 13 or 2 versus 25 and still win. I can get lynched on day 1 and still win because I am the master of behind the scenes manipulation. I can get kidnapped on night 1, get sprung on the last day and not one town member will bother thinking Lyndis the Vanilla is a scum claim. Might as well just hand the 2012 Boardy to me now and get it over with.
XMFDROFLMFAOVOUCH literally obsessed
The collective anus of Regaro, Tom and Wigs will never feel normal again.
I have spent the last two minutes trying to figure out why the hell you picked the three of us
anyway, catching up now, thanks for the lulz
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You're just trolling me at this point, so yeah I'd rather get back to looking for scum.
...That wasn't implying that you weren't responding. I guess I'll have to explain THAT more clearly as well. Here's that whole conversation again. Bolded your quote to make it easier to tell who said what:
Zilch, zero, nada in this topic apart from those four posts and everything since I came back and MADE you come after me (which has only made you look scummier, yippee). I just double-checked, you can do so if you like.
It doesn't work that way. You don't get to cherry pick and then say it's a valid argument.
It does work that way. I expect somebody to respond when I bring them up. That's just...common courtesy and more importantly stinks to high heaven when you don't.
You said I was "cherry-picking", which I took as a criticism of me looking at your posts which weren't responses and not considering the responses themselves.
I said the responses don't matter, because you NOT responding to InsaneOne and I's posts would have been ridiculous and made you look worse. That's what I mean when I say "responses are irrelevant".
If somebody says to me "why are you voting for Spiral", I would be expected to respond. Just DOING so wouldn't make me look like town. It doesn't help your case at all to point out those posts or use them as an argument that you have been discussing me today, because being reactive is meaningless.
Those other 9 posts you made when I wasn't relevant to discussion were when you should have made me relevant, if you were so intent on nailing me to the wall. But you didn't. You allowed discussion on me to float away into nothing until I arrived and defused any rational idea that I might be town.
Your problem here is you're trying to pick a timeframe convenient to you. Again, doesn't work that way.
I haven't bothered to look at the other topic for a while but that "timeframe" is at least ten hours, ten hours where you were clearly around but did NOTHING to attack me at all, beyond a brief conversation with InsaneOne. Again, something you would do if you really thought I was scum.
Not really, no. I've stated why I pulled off of you, I stand by it.
Bad people tell bald-faced lies to save face, what a shock.
From: UltimaterializerX | #402 Wasn't luck, Cly got a legit cop read on the guy.
I could go back to that scumboard and find "I think he's power because he's inactive", but whatever I'll take your word for it because it's been like a year and a half now and who cares at this point
Basically I don't know whether this is your vendetta again(You lied about your vote on me earlier in the game being justified, then turned around and admitted you were wrong), if you're trying to troll me, or whether you actually believe what you're throwing out. So yeah, I don't know what to tell you at this point since you're effectively destroying your own credibility and that's the last thing I want someone I think is town to do. Again, I'd like to move on.
I will not move on until you are lynched.
See, this is me being proactive and nailing you to the wall. Something you spectacularly failed to do all IRL day today.
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You said I was "cherry-picking", which I took as a criticism of me looking at your posts which weren't responses and not considering the responses themselves.
Sure was. You were referencing something specific and tuning all other variables out because it allowed you to create what you believed was a valid argument. Ergo, you were cherry picking. I pretty much told you I'm done, the myriad of contradictions in the rest of your wall alone makes my head hurt, not going to ruin your game if you're town(Which I think you are) and have it cost us later.
From: _Regaro_ | #404 I could go back to that scumboard and find "I think he's power because he's inactive", but whatever I'll take your word for it because it's been like a year and a half now and who cares at this point
Cly: I don't know if it's what he normally does as power, but for some reason I think it's likely that he is. He is laying low TO THE EXTREME.
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From: Dark_Spiral | #410 You said I was "cherry-picking", which I took as a criticism of me looking at your posts which weren't responses and not considering the responses themselves.
Sure was. You were referencing something specific and tuning all other variables out because it allowed you to create what you believed was a valid argument. Ergo, you were cherry picking. I pretty much told you I'm done, the myriad of contradictions in the rest of your wall alone makes my head hurt, not going to ruin your game if you're town(Which I think you are) and have it cost us later.
No, we are doing this. You are not getting out of this, you are not avoiding this. You cannot ignore my argument here.
Please consider these statements very carefully and give me a fair response. That is not much to ask.
If somebody says to me "why are you voting for Spiral", I would be expected to respond. Just doing so on its own wouldn't make me look like town.
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From: 36Eagles10 | #360 Cause I said Sbell is covering him and Sbell might actually be voted meanwhile no one is voting Silver.
it's really not too late to start a train if you really want to vote Silver.
Which i'm not convinced you do.
I forget who said that people suspecting Eagles are just overly paranoid (Articuno, maybe) but if it wasn't his first game on b8 he'd have quite a few votes on him. All of his votes have been on trains.
From: Articuno2001 | #059 Boko votes you. You post 10 minutes later, not referring to the vote at all. How is that not ignoring votes on you? Please explain this to me. You had to have seen the vote, it doesn't make sense.
I did see the vote. The post containing that vote said "walrus is scum after that last post". Later I acknowledged it by saying "k".
More importantly, how does that imply any sort of alignment whatsoever? Would it be better for me to get defensive and break down every part of my post to explain why it wasn't actually scummy? No, that would be a waste of time and energy. It looks to me like you were making up reasons to feign suspicion of me.
Raka's argument is literally parrots of other players. One of his quotes was from someone else on his suspicion list. Plus Kracko claimed confirmable.
##Unvote: Kracko ##Vote: Raka
Give me your suspicions, and use your own arguments. Don't quote any other players. Using other people's arguments as a basis is fine, but surely you can craft your own suspicions for yourself. Otherwise you're not genuinely looking for scum, which implies that you are scum.
No, we are doing this. You are not getting out of this, you are not avoiding this. You cannot ignore my argument here.
I'm not ignoring you, I'd prefer you to not shoot yourself in the foot and then it come down to the final five or six at do or die then you be lynched for your behavior in large part to today. And sure, I'll indulge you this time. Give me a second.
I'm not ignoring you, I'd prefer you to not shoot yourself in the foot and then it come down to the final five or six at do or die then you be lynched for your behavior in large part to today. And sure, I'll indulge you this time. Give me a second.
You pretty much brushed off my entire post up there, actually.
If this was a non-mafia debate, fine, but no, you are not halting this conversation and then having the temerity to say it is for MY own good. This continues until I say we can stop.
i just realized that because HGR didn't specify AM or PM, but still. standing by my vote because articuno has not impressed me. As previously stated, I'm also suspecting regaro/sbell for reasons that will be disclosed later, possibly.
if ulti is serious about the scum claim, we can deal with that tomorrow. lynch all liars.
I said the responses don't matter, because you NOT responding to InsaneOne and I's posts would have been ridiculous and made you look worse. That's what I mean when I say "responses are irrelevant".
Then what you just said was a boatload of nothing. Me responding to Insane was a nulltell, then why bring them up? I have mentioned you aside from addressing those posts. That's where we differ though, you seem to think I care about how I look; I don't. My only priority here is lynching scum, that's it. You're playing way too much basis on me caring about how everyone sees me when I don't need to.
If somebody says to me "why are you voting for Spiral", I would be expected to respond. Just DOING so wouldn't make me look like town. It doesn't help your case at all to point out those posts or use them as an argument that you have been discussing me today, because being reactive is meaningless.
This is another major problem with your argument. Town reacts, that's how this game works. Whether you choose to believe this is wifom from my play or not, it does not change this fact about how town's alignment is seen hands down.
Those other 9 posts you made when I wasn't relevant to discussion were when you should have made me relevant, if you were so intent on nailing me to the wall. But you didn't. You allowed discussion on me to float away into nothing until I arrived and defused any rational idea that I might be town.
Weren't you the one who said to give you until later and you'd present more? I did as much as I could given what I had to work with.
I haven't bothered to look at the other topic for a while but that "timeframe" is at least ten hours, ten hours where you were clearly around but did NOTHING to attack me at all, beyond a brief conversation with InsaneOne. Again, something you would do if you really thought I was scum.
See above.
Not really, no. I've stated why I pulled off of you, I stand by it.
Look me up in any game where I'm pressured as town under certain circumstances. The phrase,"I will not be lynched," is used more often than you realize.
Give me your suspicions, and use your own arguments. Don't quote any other players. Using other people's arguments as a basis is fine, but surely you can craft your own suspicions for yourself. Otherwise you're not genuinely looking for scum, which implies that you are scum.
But I did. Post #300. Even SBell acknowledged it at #318.
I forget who (and don't feel like checking) said that Eagles' most recent baffling post made them feel more likely he is town. I'd like to know why? Is it because it's that unbelievably bad?
If anything, that post has me now thinking some people have been right about Eagles. The unvote timing is really suspicious and his knowledge for voting SBell seems is awful. He points out who he thinks is powerful scum, but jumps on SBell who is "protecting him". The idea that early on he was scum trying to fit in by jumping on the popular votes is feeling more likely now as that is almost blatantly what he just did with the SBell vote.
From: UltimaterializerX | #427 Raka is obvtown and Walrus should probably knock this off before I kill him.
Explain.
Using the whole "SBell was defending Silver" argument against him is a load of crap. I don't like Eagles for it and I don't like Raka for it. It's a huge reach, to say the least.
Besides, Raka has played before, at least enough to try to craft his own suspicions.
From: UltimaterializerX | #437 You mean when realo claimed miller (THE BEST TOWN ROLE EVER AND IT WILL GROW STRONGER AS THE GAME GOES ON) and got countered?
When dowolf does something right, rest assured it's because someone else screwed up in a legendary manner.
I mean the Realo who claimed Miller and was countered by Kanzaris
I also mean the dowolf who nailed him and forced that claim.
From: UltimaterializerX | #439 He's not off yet. I'm actually worried he's disappeared since doing that, because it reminds me of what I would do. Claim confirmable and stop posting, pray town forgets about me.
besides, I make such an easy lynch and i'm clearly in the lead so why would he bother coming back if the day ends in 12 hours (most of which people will be asleep for)
Then what you just said was a boatload of nothing. Me responding to Insane was a nulltell, then why bring them up? I have mentioned you aside from addressing those posts. That's where we differ though, you seem to think I care about how I look; I don't. My only priority here is lynching scum, that's it. You're playing way too much basis on me caring about how everyone sees me when I don't need to.
Because you can't say they are valid, which is what you tried to do. I said you mentioned me 4 times out of 13 in this topic. You kept saying you had "discussed me plenty", but I said that "discussion" is born purely from response, not genuine, actual scumhunting.
This is another major problem with your argument. Town reacts, that's how this game works. Whether you choose to believe this is wifom from my play or not, it does not change this fact about how town's alignment is seen hands down.
Oh yeah, you read responses and you can gauge from that how someone looks. That's not my point.
The response itself is meaningless. So you having your vote on me for ages and only discussing me in response to people, in a ten-hour period, looks bad.
Had you actively discussed me and made me a relevant subject of conversation - instead of such "interesting" things as whether Ulti's vanilla claim was legit or not - you would have looked better and not as hypocritical.
Weren't you the one who said to give you until later and you'd present more? I did as much as I could given what I had to work with.
Nah, no-selling this. You don't get to turn this around on me; I made plenty of posts in my earlier topic for you to chew on and use to make a relevant topic of conversation. And hell, you didn't even need new content. All you need to do is say "Hey, <player who posted last>, what do you think about XIII?" Bang. Conversation started. It would escalate from there. More discussion of the guy you wanted to nail to the wall.
But no, none of that. No active attempt to discuss me. Just a few token reactionary posts.
Look me up in any game where I'm pressured as town under certain circumstances. The phrase,"I will not be lynched," is used more often than you realize.
Had you actively discussed me and made me a relevant subject of conversation - instead of such "interesting" things as whether Ulti's vanilla claim was legit or not - you would have looked better and not as hypocritical or scummy.
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Walrus my man. What do you think of Spiral? I'm pretty sure I've got him here. He says he'd nail scum to the wall, keeps his vote on me for over 24 hours and mentions me...hardly at all in that time period.
Then what you just said was a boatload of nothing. Me responding to Insane was a nulltell, then why bring them up? I have mentioned you aside from addressing those posts. That's where we differ though, you seem to think I care about how I look; I don't. My only priority here is lynching scum, that's it. You're playing way too much basis on me caring about how everyone sees me when I don't need to.
Because you can't say they are valid, which is what you tried to do. I said you mentioned me 4 times out of 13 in this topic. You kept saying you had "discussed me plenty", but I said that "discussion" is born purely from response, not genuine, actual scumhunting.
You were the one who brought them up. You used them in your argument, if anything you used them to try to validate yourself, not vice versa.
This is another major problem with your argument. Town reacts, that's how this game works. Whether you choose to believe this is wifom from my play or not, it does not change this fact about how town's alignment is seen hands down.
Oh yeah, you read responses and you can gauge from that how someone looks. That's not my point.
Yet you brought up reacting anyways and tried to use it. You're flailing pretty badly here. I think you need to take a deep breath and hit a punching bag or something.
The response itself is meaningless. So you having your vote on me for ages and only discussing me in response to people, in a ten-hour period, looks bad.
I do not care about how I look or how you approve or disapprove of my scumhunting. I don't know how many times I have to say this.
Had you actively discussed me and made me a relevant subject of conversation - instead of such "interesting" things as whether Ulti's vanilla claim was legit or not - you would have looked better and not as hypocritical.
You're ignoring your own words that you'd offer more content later. I'm pretty sure that slipped your mind though. Oh wait, that pretty much destroys your argument here before it even gets started. Also, I did discuss you. Hey, let's look below, I might be wrong!
Weren't you the one who said to give you until later and you'd present more? I did as much as I could given what I had to work with.
Exactly what I said above, "No no no no." When it ceases to be a discussion, there isn't a point of going any further. So we're done like I said prior. I tried here to give you leeway to actually talk but this isn't a talk, this is you just refusing continually in one big wall of nothing.
But no, none of that. No active attempt to discuss me. Just a few token reactionary posts.
Again, I discussed you plenty. You don't seem to be getting it, you're just go,"No no no, wrong!" Over and over. I'm sorry, that's how it is.
Look me up in any game where I'm pressured as town under certain circumstances. The phrase,"I will not be lynched," is used more often than you realize.
A lot of people say that, mong.
The problem with your theory is that there's a lot of people who have played with me before here who know this, and several games archived who can back me up. Unless you think they're all lying too. Thanks.
Basically, when you bring up something to use in an argument and when it's addressed, to accuse someone of using it when you were the one who brought it into the equation to begin with pretty much means you've ended up like the guy in front of the casino in Leisure Suit Larry one. Naked wearing only a barrel and trying to sell apples to make ends meet.