Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 2: Blue Oni, Red Oni

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greengravy294
02/07/12 12:37:00 PM
#101:


I am not giving him a pass. All I said was that both are potential scumspects. Dante has posted far less from what I've seen compared to dizzy. I honestly wrote my post without cross checking my facts. A beginner mistake I admit.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 12:38:00 PM
#102:


Spiral is right in calling out XIII as basically just completely focusing on him and not doing anything else, but Spiral has pretty much done the exact same thing the opposite direction. He has basically sat there calling XIII's attacks baseless but hasn't contributed much outside of that.

Um, no? I've listed out why XIII is scum his vendetta aside. I'll stick to trying to have who I think is scum lynched, thanks.

I've also noticed a lack of either one of them so far since earlier.

Then we have to be reading different games, because I'm pretty sure I posted in the first fifty of this topic.
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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:38:00 PM
#103:


htaeD posted...
spiral is a notorious tunneler tho
Yeah, but I don't really get a "tunneling" since from Spiral towards XIII. It's more like he's just annoyed with XIII. He doesn't really seem to be pulling people towards the XIII lynch.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 12:39:00 PM
#104:


Yeah, but I don't really get a "tunneling" since from Spiral towards XIII. It's more like he's just annoyed with XIII. He doesn't really seem to be pulling people towards the XIII lynch.

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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:40:00 PM
#105:


Dark_Spiral posted...
Spiral is right in calling out XIII as basically just completely focusing on him and not doing anything else, but Spiral has pretty much done the exact same thing the opposite direction. He has basically sat there calling XIII's attacks baseless but hasn't contributed much outside of that.

Um, no? I've listed out why XIII is scum his vendetta aside. I'll stick to trying to have who I think is scum lynched, thanks.

I've also noticed a lack of either one of them so far since earlier.

Then we have to be reading different games, because I'm pretty sure I posted in the first fifty of this topic.


I caught up on most of this on my phone before getting to a computer, so I'll admit I might have missed something. But that just means it didn't really stick out to me as much.

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 12:40:00 PM
#106:


From: Mr_Vaga | #098
Oh, and reading over XIII and Spiral last night, I don't really like that interaction much.

Spiral is right in calling out XIII as basically just completely focusing on him and not doing anything else, but Spiral has pretty much done the exact same thing the opposite direction. He has basically sat there calling XIII's attacks baseless but hasn't contributed much outside of that.

I've also noticed a lack of either one of them so far since earlier.


As I stated before, I think it's a continuation of the spat they had in Chaos Mafia II, where Spiral and XIII were at each other's throats pretty much the entirety of day one. It stopped in d2 because Spiral claimed scanner, but it looked like they are continuing that here.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 12:41:00 PM
#107:


I caught up on most of this on my phone before getting to a computer, so I'll admit I might have missed something. But that just means it didn't really stick out to me as much.

When I sit here, slow things down and make them as clear as I can, don't sit there and tell me I don't have a fire lit to have someone lynched. I'm making every effort to make my arguments on him easy to understand.
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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:42:00 PM
#108:


Usually when you tunnel someone you go at it with a force and there seems to be a sense to get people to follow you on the lynch. With XIII it's felt more you the two of you bickering at each other. XIII is being bullheaded and acting out on some vendetta and you got annoyed with it and are countering him on it as being his way of avoiding actual contribution.

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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:43:00 PM
#109:


Okay, kind of ninja'd on that last one.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 12:43:00 PM
#110:


Io, assuming he was playing and making his opening posts he asked what he missed. Then was told that.Chris vigged plum and he responded with "yeah that WAS awesome". Which to me reads as fake through and through.

As if he knew exactly what he missed, etc etc. Alas he isn't in this game so its meaningless.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 12:44:00 PM
#111:


Usually when you tunnel someone you go at it with a force and there seems to be a sense to get people to follow you on the lynch. With XIII it's felt more you the two of you bickering at each other. XIII is being bullheaded and acting out on some vendetta and you got annoyed with it and are countering him on it as being his way of avoiding actual contribution.

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greengravy294
02/07/12 12:45:00 PM
#112:


36Eagles10 posted...
From: greengravy294 | #089
Please elaborate
I find it hard to believe you wouldn't have known you would be unable to post in your class. Waiting till you were called on it to post seems off.


My time management is awful. =p

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X_Dante_X
02/07/12 12:46:00 PM
#113:


Okay I guess I see where you're coming from, but I disagree (reads to me like he skimmed through and wanted to check if he missed anything major)

but yeah, dropping poka since that wasn't what was important. It seemed like you were randomly jumping on someone for no reason, which was my biggest issue with that vote.

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36Eagles10
02/07/12 12:47:00 PM
#114:


From: greengravy294 | #112
My time management is awful. =p

Not the first time and won't be the last


hm. Still what gives me doubts about you though.

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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:49:00 PM
#115:


SBell0105 posted...
Io, assuming he was playing and making his opening posts he asked what he missed. Then was told that.Chris vigged plum and he responded with "yeah that WAS awesome". Which to me reads as fake through and through.

As if he knew exactly what he missed, etc etc. Alas he isn't in this game so its meaningless.

Realize the actual thing comes out as a moot point (since Poka is not a player). However, the jumping at a interpreted slip I feel is bad play. FE Mafia turned into talking about slips for 50% of the game and none of them amounted to anything.

Especially given the way the posts came he could have easily read that part, had jumped in the topic later to see what else had happened, and then his response was completely justified.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 12:49:00 PM
#116:


X_Dante_X posted...
Okay I guess I see where you're coming from, but I disagree (reads to me like he skimmed through and wanted to check if he missed anything major)

but yeah, dropping poka since that wasn't what was important. It seemed like you were randomly jumping on someone for no reason, which was my biggest issue with that vote.


I can see. Where it looks totally random and forced but yeah in my eyes poka was being fake and scummy. I almost wish.he was.in the game. Just so I could lynch him and be right...maybe

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Mr_Vaga
02/07/12 12:50:00 PM
#117:


X_Dante_X posted...
but yeah, dropping poka since that wasn't what was important. It seemed like you were randomly jumping on someone for no reason, which was my biggest issue with that vote.

This basically, and I just wanted to point out why since you called it a justified vote. (or something along those lines)

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X_Dante_X
02/07/12 12:52:00 PM
#118:


From: KingKracko | #384
Heh, never been very good on day 1, see that hasn't changed. Spent the last half hour talking myself on and off people

Hey KingKracko, when you come back, I'd love to know a couple of the people you were talking to yourself about as potential scum candidates. Even if you're not terribly sure and can't justify it, I'd certainly like to know what you were thinking of!

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jdizzy156
02/07/12 12:56:00 PM
#119:


greengravy294 posted...
I am not giving him a pass. All I said was that both are potential scumspects. Dante has posted far less from what I've seen compared to dizzy. I honestly wrote my post without cross checking my facts. A beginner mistake I admit.

Like mention before you singled me out from Dante somehow in your post by saying that me and plum had conversations. I called you out on it and you failed to produce the posts. Now your saying that Dante is likelier scum because he posted less then me. Your flailing basically.

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greengravy294
02/07/12 1:27:00 PM
#120:


Now you're just twisting my words.

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Silverliner182V
02/07/12 1:34:00 PM
#121:


shados, mind claiming some flavor text for your role? just curious.

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KingKracko
02/07/12 1:47:00 PM
#122:


From: X_Dante_X | #118
From: KingKracko | #384
Heh, never been very good on day 1, see that hasn't changed. Spent the last half hour talking myself on and off people

Hey KingKracko, when you come back, I'd love to know a couple of the people you were talking to yourself about as potential scum candidates. Even if you're not terribly sure and can't justify it, I'd certainly like to know what you were thinking of!




My thoughts on Luis were that he was a veteran coasting, so I guess that would also apply to Boko, although I'm pretty sure Boko is like that. I didn't like gravy's eagles scenario, I don't see him as being fed to act dumb by scum, but other than that I couldn't find anything wrong with him. I also thought the Articuno train was more of a "serious business" train, and I don't see him as scum. Walrus, yes I know he has a vote on me currently, but last night the guy was rubbing me the wrong way with his hopping around, considering he is a veteran player. These views are just small irkings, not confident on them. I think these were my main views last night, didn't say them because they were already said.

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KingKracko
02/07/12 1:48:00 PM
#123:


Also I see nothing wrong with shados' miller claim, in terms of catching up from last night.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 1:52:00 PM
#124:


Someone have an updated list of claims? I'm trying to get organized here.
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36Eagles10
02/07/12 1:54:00 PM
#125:


From: greengravy294 | #049
As for Eagles, I'm leaning towards him being scum simply based on the fact that I really find it suspicious that someone would not know that talking at night is forbidden. It's mafia basics 101. Simple as that. I sense that he's lying to some point about his past play experience (or vibes, at least).


Time to fix this erroneous assumption. I never asked about night-talking. What I asked was and I quote http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61871075/689559194
was to ask if we could pm other players and talk privately if our roles didn't make a provision for that. Ulti's post (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61871075/689559351) was incorrect in thinking I was talking about talking during the night and I set him straight about that here (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61871075/689559812) and here (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61871075/689560109) Gatarix gave me the answer I needed. The place I palyed mafia on did allow private talking between all players so that is why I thought it was weird and was slightly confused by that rule.

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HeroicGammaRay
02/07/12 1:55:00 PM
#126:


[4] Articuno: Boko, Silver, Regaro, SBell, (Walrus)
[3] XIII: (shadosneko), Ulti, Spiral, Eagles
[2] Kracko: Owl, Walrus
[2] Walrus: (Boko), jdizzy, Articuno
[1] Drak: Ulti
[1] Eagles: (Walrus), Gravy, (Silver)
[1] htaeD: Achromatic
[1] jdizzy: (Walrus), shadosneko
[1] No Lynch: Articuno, (Eagles), (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Tom)
[1] Spiral: XIII, (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Eagles)
[1] Ulti: (Owl), Tom
[0] catastrophy: (Ulti), (Dante)
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[0] Luis: (Kracko)
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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 1:55:00 PM
#127:


3. Achromatic - Dayvig
6. Dark_Spiral - Vanilla
20. shadosneko - Sunny, Miller
23. UltimaterializerX - Vanilla(?)

Those should be right. Feel free to correct or add to them if they're not.
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Silverliner182V
02/07/12 1:56:00 PM
#128:


when did ulti claim vanilla

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 1:57:00 PM
#129:


Earlier in the day, unless I'm mistaken.
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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 1:58:00 PM
#130:


Oh, and I claim scum.

I also claim town vanilla, because I'm too lazy to find something convincing off my safelist.


Topic one, page two.
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Articuno2001
02/07/12 1:59:00 PM
#131:


I'm pretty sure Ulti was joking around, based on the first line of that post.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 2:00:00 PM
#132:


Hence why there's a ? next to his name. Day one nilla claims from Ulti are usually questionable.
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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 2:01:00 PM
#133:


Dark_Spiral posted...
Oh, and I claim scum.

I also claim town vanilla, because I'm too lazy to find something convincing off my safelist.

Topic one, page two.


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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 2:02:00 PM
#134:


are you serious

If by that you mean he actually posted that, yes.
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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 2:04:00 PM
#135:


It's just a point of reference from which to work with later, regardless if it's true or not. I'm just trying to talk through things and get my thoughts in order.
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Luis_Sera89
02/07/12 2:04:00 PM
#136:


You're right in the sense that Ulti's D1 claims are always dubious, but don't tell me you're missing the sarcasm in that post? It's laid on pretty thick.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 2:07:00 PM
#137:


Can't say for sure whether he was being sarcastic about his nilla claim or not, and I'm not inclined to push the issue.(Unless he wants to clarify.)
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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 2:15:00 PM
#138:


Okay.

Arti was on my team in Fire Emblem, and he was the mafia roleblocker. There were times where his tells were so obvious that I was pulling my hair out from behind the scenes. I'm not seeing any of those tells here, so you have the DAY 1 KING GUARAN-DAMN-TEE that Arti is town. That train can crash now.

Not agreeing on Boko yet. He's way too smart to make a "mad my ally is dead" post, especially with Chris involved. Boko's favorite scumtell to catch other people on is that same exact logic, actually, so I doubt he would do the same himself on day 1. All he's really done is tell us Chris isn't mortally 100% confirmed, just 99%. Fair enough to say, I suppose.

Now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Drak

Dude's rubbed me wrong this whole day. Most of his posts are "new guy XYZ isn't clever enough to do ABC", which is fluff content because everyone knows this about new people. The guy pinged my scumdar early and hasn't really done much to alleviate this.


Ulti, what's your opinion of early Drak in regards to Chris? He'd begun to suspect Chris early because Chris wasn't extending an olive branch in terms of helping newbies. Does that factor into your vote at all given Chris having proven himself?(As much as he can at this point.)
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Gatarix
02/07/12 2:22:00 PM
#139:


XIII is my top suspect right now -- I already explained why his joke-train-that-became-a-serious-train was odd, and except for that spurt of activity near the beginning of the day he's hardly contributed anything. Spiral felt odd to me in that initial exchange as well but is seeming all right at the moment.

##Vote: XIII

#61 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/7/2012 1:35:01 PM | message detail | quote
Not agreeing on Boko yet. He's way too smart to make a "mad my ally is dead" post, especially with Chris involved. Boko's favorite scumtell to catch other people on is that same exact logic, actually, so I doubt he would do the same himself on day 1. All he's really done is tell us Chris isn't mortally 100% confirmed, just 99%. Fair enough to say, I suppose.

Now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Drak

Dude's rubbed me wrong this whole day. Most of his posts are "new guy XYZ isn't clever enough to do ABC", which is fluff content because everyone knows this about new people. The guy pinged my scumdar early and hasn't really done much to alleviate this.


Both Boko and I pointed out that Chris isn't confirmed as town, merely confirmed as dayvig. Why is that "fair enough" from Boko while, at the same time, you write me off as having "fluff content"?


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36Eagles10
02/07/12 2:24:00 PM
#140:


And I voted for XIII cause the vendetta thing has no palce ina a new game of mafia IMO. makes him look suspicious to me.

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Achromatic
02/07/12 2:32:00 PM
#142:


From: UltimaterializerX | #141
I don't even remember that, but generally speaking helping new people is just an easy way for scum to fake content.


I enjoy helping new people.

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Achromatic
02/07/12 2:33:00 PM
#143:


By the way I am confirmed as town you guys can suck it.

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HeroicGammaRay
02/07/12 3:02:00 PM
#144:


[4] Articuno: Boko, Silver, Regaro, SBell, (Walrus)
[3] XIII: (shadosneko), (Ulti), Spiral, Eagles, Drak
[2] Kracko: Owl, Walrus
[2] Walrus: (Boko), jdizzy, Articuno
[1] Drak: Ulti
[1] Eagles: (Walrus), Gravy, (Silver)
[1] htaeD: Achromatic
[1] jdizzy: (Walrus), shadosneko
[1] No Lynch: Articuno, (Eagles), (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Tom)
[1] Spiral: XIII, (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Eagles)
[1] Ulti: (Owl), Tom
[0] catastrophy: (Ulti), (Dante)
[0] Dante: (jdizzy)
[0] Luis: (Kracko)

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shadosneko
02/07/12 3:06:00 PM
#145:


From: Silverliner182V | #121
shados, mind claiming some flavor text for your role? just curious.


I would like to cause a scene, but there are bigger things than what I can do right now is what the basics of my flavor.

Heavily paraphrased.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 3:11:00 PM
#146:


Achromatic posted...
By the way I am confirmed as town you guys can suck it.

Don't take this the wrong way Chris but since your wild commendable shot it sure doesn't feel like you are acting as if you have more to.do. now I can guarantee there is at least 1 more scum to kill (clearly since were still playing) so I don't understand why you aren't participating. I take your shot.and use it to confirm you and I know a.conformed town.Chris is a powerful Chris. So before scum realizes this why not give us a little something to work woth here.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 3:12:00 PM
#147:


Cellphone thumbs typos

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Achromatic
02/07/12 3:12:00 PM
#148:


##unvote
##vote: Boko


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Achromatic
02/07/12 3:17:00 PM
#149:


From: SBell0105 | #146
Achromatic posted...
By the way I am confirmed as town you guys can suck it.

Don't take this the wrong way Chris but since your wild commendable shot it sure doesn't feel like you are acting as if you have more to.do. now I can guarantee there is at least 1 more scum to kill (clearly since were still playing) so I don't understand why you aren't participating. I take your shot.and use it to confirm you and I know a.conformed town.Chris is a powerful Chris. So before scum realizes this why not give us a little something to work woth here.


Well I killed their assassin so the scum team is free to take their best shot at me. This is where the Doctor or Doctor-like role goes "golly gee time to protect sir chris."

Anyway to be honest I am pretty content with my day so far. The day is just over half over and I shot scum assassin. I am fully proud of myself at the moment.

That being said I've done nothing but post thoughts. I just haven't given much in way of explanation.

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 3:21:00 PM
#150:


HGR, I am not a doublevoter.

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