Board 8 > Who's Nintendo's most canonically powerful character?

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LamdaMax
01/03/12 10:17:00 AM
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Giygas

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 10:17:00 AM
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Ganon (I CAN'T BE KILLED BY ANYTHING NOT THE MASTERSWORD) dorf

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MarvelousGerbil
01/03/12 10:18:00 AM
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Besides Pokemon. If I had to guess, Samus or Fierc Diety Link?

Edit: In before Meta Knight or Fox.

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01/03/12 10:19:00 AM
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Evillordexdeath
01/03/12 10:19:00 AM
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Yeah, Giygas seems correct.

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01/03/12 10:20:00 AM
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Giygas

If you meant main characters from mainline series, probably Samus or Ness.

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01/03/12 10:23:00 AM
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Oh wait, possibly Arceus.

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Weakupedia
01/03/12 10:25:00 AM
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Ash Ketchum

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Azp2k32
01/03/12 10:30:00 AM
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Fierce Diety Link's power is hard to quantify without a whole lot of defined power levels in the Zelda world or even the ability to draw a proper comparison between Majora's power and FD Link's, but regardless I'm still inclined to default to Samus if only including main characters simply due to her technological advantage. If not limited to main characters, Giygas seems to be a competitor but I don't know much about his specifics. TTYD's Shadow Queen also deserves mention.

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wg64Z
01/03/12 10:34:00 AM
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I originally posted Arceus, but he said no pokemon.

I'd guess the 3 spirits of the Triforce, creating the planet and all life etc.
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01/03/12 10:40:00 AM
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Azp2k32 posted...
TTYD's Shadow Queen also deserves mention.

Not really.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 10:46:00 AM
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From: Ed Bellis | #012
IIRC Giygas is basically the Mother series equivalent of a cosmic horror. He probably takes it thanks to weird future exploits and the nature of his existence.

Pokemon are weird (assuming we're counting them) - the Pokedex gives crazy-ass feats for even basic Pokemon, and Arceus is said to be the creator of everything... but I'm not sure how he'd do in a fight. He was in one MPFC and he lost in Round 1 to Vergil from Devil May Cry.

If we're just talking the Smash Bros. cast, let's see...
- Bowser tanks an inordinate amount of things but is very inconsistent.
- Falcon is a normal dude that people assume is a GALAXY BUSTER because of some silly anime video.
- Ganondorf is a moderately powerful sorcerer who has the caveat of not being able to be killed by anything other than the Master Sword. Good thing there's other ways of winning a fight than killing!
- Link's strongest showing is probably Fierce Deity, yeah, but it's tough to gauge how strong he is. He can easily destroy any of the bosses, including Majora's Mask, and there's some speculation that he has a connection with Majora's Mask. Beyond that it's tough to say. Base Link is just a dude with loads of nifty equipment.
- No clue on Lucas.
- Mewtwo might be high-tier if we're taking the anime into account with the whole MASSIVE MINDRAPE scenario, but I think game Mewtwo has fewer showings. Still, he's up there.
- Ness is tough to gauge. He gets a "boost from the planet" which doesn't seem to mean much even in context. He's definitely a tough kid but he's almost impossible to place.
- Samus is the most consistently strong fighter among the bunch, most likely.
- Wario can't die if we're going by specific gameplay mechanics. >_>


Yeah, because as we have seen in OoT and TP, critically injuring him clearly stops Ganondorf.

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GANON1025
01/03/12 10:49:00 AM
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Yeah, Ganondorf has Dante-level of regen in some cutscenes.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 10:56:00 AM
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It's Ganondorf, it's not close, people arguing this are idiots.


The ONLY way to beat him is to have the Mastersword, because unlike normal humans, injuring him doesn't actually ****ing matter. He does not quit until he is dead, and you can't kill him unless you are Link (or have the MS)

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paperwarior
01/03/12 11:00:00 AM
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Ahaha, that's right. WL2/3 Wario is immortal. (Well, not 3 technically, but only a dark god can destroy him.)

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GranzonEx
01/03/12 11:10:00 AM
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Link with the complete triforce.

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LamdaMax
01/03/12 11:10:00 AM
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I'd probably even put Julius/Yurius above Ganondorf because he has a similar canonical "can't be defeated by anything but Naga" thing going for him and is perhaps more impressive otherwise. Even if he can be defeated by other means in-game.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 11:20:00 AM
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Giygas, yep.

Arceus ddidn't really create the world, it's a myth brought on by the fact that he is the most powerful Pokemon, which caused ancient people to revere it as god. I think

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SlymDayspring
01/03/12 11:20:00 AM
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blue shell

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UberPyro64
01/03/12 11:20:00 AM
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Giygas.

Ganon can't beat him unless he prays.

Giygas can't beat him unless he uses the Master Sword.

Thus Stalemate.

Though I'm sure any Nintendo character would have a harder time with Giygas. That includes Link.

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Rad Link 5
01/03/12 11:21:00 AM
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Mike Tyson

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01/03/12 11:21:00 AM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Giygas, yep.

Arceus ddidn't really create the world, it's a myth brought on by the fact that he is the most powerful Pokemon, which caused ancient people to revere it as god. I think


There's no proof of that. Arceus does create things in Platinum, I think.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 11:38:00 AM
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In HGSS he creates a level 1 dialga/palkia/Giratina, yeah, but that isn't the same as creating the world. Like I said, I prefer to think of him as just an exceptionally strong Pokemon.

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GANON1025
01/03/12 11:44:00 AM
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Actually, Ganon can only be KILLED by the Silver Arrows and HURT by the Master Sword. But the games don't even follow that, so....

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Rad Link 5
01/03/12 11:46:00 AM
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Honorable mention to:
Starfy
Mr. Resetti
This Guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Rainbow

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 11:48:00 AM
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From: GANON1025 | #025
Actually, Ganon can only be KILLED by the Silver Arrows and HURT by the Master Sword. But the games don't even follow that, so....




Ganon is Silver Arrows. (Canon) Ganondorf is Master Sword (Canon)

The Hero of time could not kill Ganon because he did not have Silver Arrows, so he was sealed, setting up ALttP and on..

Ganon can be harmed by the MS, but can't be killed by it. Whether the inverse is true about Dorf (Silver could hurt but not kill) is debateable, but probably not.

Only the Sword of Evil's Bane can stop Ganondorf.

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SSBDarren64
01/03/12 11:48:00 AM
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Giygas

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Psycho_Kenshin
01/03/12 11:48:00 AM
#29:


DK easily.

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Oxbridge
01/03/12 11:51:00 AM
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SlymDayspring posted...
blue shell

I lol'd

But Lightning hits everyone instantly, so is 1000000% more powerful.

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Kamekguy
01/03/12 11:51:00 AM
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Super Dimentio, but he's ugly so it doesn't matter.

Otherwise, depends on the character's mood. Bowser with Star Rod could technically beat anything by wishing it away, but Bowser is an idiot. Majora has a ton of undefined powers, but Majora is crazy so the odds of it using said powers are small. The final boss of Fire Emblem 10 has the same Ganondorf stipulation AND doesn't suck at killing things outside of that, but it's apathetic at best about giving an effort.

So yeah probably Giygas because he's literally too stupid to screw around.

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GANON1025
01/03/12 11:52:00 AM
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I always thought Silver and Light arrows might be the same thing, just called a different name. Which I suppose wouldn't make much sense, but I always wondered. Is that true, or are they really two different types?

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 11:56:00 AM
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From: GANON1025 | #032
I always thought Silver and Light arrows might be the same thing, just called a different name. Which I suppose wouldn't make much sense, but I always wondered. Is that true, or are they really two different types?




I struggled with this for a long time. But they are different. For one, Ganon is not put down in OoT by them, and they don't really do the same thing. It also makes sense giving the near extinction of Hylians by the time of ALttP and LoZ Without anyone magic left, the Light Arrows would be impossible to be created.

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dragon22391
01/03/12 11:57:00 AM
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Just because Ganondorf can't be killed by any of the others doesn't make him the strongest. Samus might not be able to kill Ganondorf, but Ganondorf doesn't have a shot in hell of killing Samus.

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CherryCokes
01/03/12 11:57:00 AM
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Doopliss

obviously

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 11:57:00 AM
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From: UltimaterializerX | #033
Easily Link. Permanent invincibility, invisibility and magic if you allow him all his items from all his games. He'll eventually kill anything.




Chateau Romani, literally most broken item in any game ever, if you did not constantly go back in time....

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 11:58:00 AM
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From: dragon22391 | #035
Just because Ganondorf can't be killed by any of the others doesn't make him the strongest. Samus might not be able to kill Ganondorf, but Ganondorf doesn't have a shot in hell of killing Samus.




Ganondorf can teleport, and move instantly, so yeah, no.

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GANON1025
01/03/12 12:00:00 PM
#39:


I figured they were different, but they play such a similar role it would be easy for them to be same.

I think people are forgetting about Wuhu Island. I think most Nintendo characters would tire out before being able to destroy it.

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Rad Link 5
01/03/12 12:00:00 PM
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From: UltimaterializerX | #033
Easily Link. Permanent invincibility, invisibility and magic if you allow him all his items from all his games. He'll eventually kill anything.


Mike Tyson floors him before he even has the chance to activate any of that.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 12:01:00 PM
#41:


From: UltimaterializerX | #033
Easily Link. Permanent invincibility, invisibility and magic if you allow him all his items from all his games. He'll eventually kill anything.




Oh yeah, permanent Teleportation too

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Dauntless Hunter
01/03/12 12:10:00 PM
#42:


Clearly Andross

Tanks getting his face blown off, fights fairly effectively against an advanced starfighter using only his brain and eyeballs.

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Rad Link 5
01/03/12 12:11:00 PM
#43:


Wario Man.



He's faster than a donut and stronger than cardboard.

Dr. Kawashima is a floating, disembodied head who seems omnipotent. That's worth a mention.
Matt from Wii Boxing is up there too.
Cooking Mama can fix anything.
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SHINE GET 64
01/03/12 12:13:00 PM
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Kirby

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literally can eat the fabric of time and space

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Pirateking2000
01/03/12 12:34:00 PM
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Dimentio maybe?

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shadosneko
01/03/12 12:36:00 PM
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kirby could eat giygas

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BIGPUN9999
01/03/12 12:41:00 PM
#47:


Bowser is up there

he ****ing survived a blackhole

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Red Shifter
01/03/12 12:53:00 PM
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Rosalina can create an entire universe by using only 61 stars. Bowser couldn't bake a cake with double that number.

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Viktor Vaughn
01/03/12 12:57:00 PM
#49:


the player (earthbound)

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Takfloyd_mkII__
01/03/12 1:04:00 PM
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A couple of characters in Xenoblade could easily wipe the floor with most of the guys mentioned in this topic, maybe with the exception of Giygas.

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