From: EmDubyaSee | Posted: 1/3/2012 5:39:32 PM | #098 he would still be able to do everything I said a second ago except split himself in 4, invisible, sword shots, and infinite fly.
that's a hefty load of omissions
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and last I checked the Enola Gay did not drop a Master Sword on Hiroshima
this topic was more than worthwhile for this quote alone.
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From: XIII_rocks | #093 Yipee, cold and indisputable logic. And Taker's WM record is a joke against...anyone decent. He's dealt with wrestling moves. That's almost as pathetic as the so-called "immortal" Ganon having dealt with sharp metal and maybe some small bombs that aren't even on TNT level. Taker won one match because somebody used chloroform against him and was DQd, but said chloroform did actually weaken him a bit. LOL GUYS HE'S SO IMPOSSIBLE TO DAMAGE
Taker's CANON powers.
Teleportation. Close proximity mind control Country wide distance mind control Opening and closing Hell Dragging people to Hell Stealing souls Power over the elements. Shooting Fireballs. Psychic control.
There's ALOT more. I usually post the whole list, but you get the point. In Kayfabe, Undertaker is pretty much a deity.
They almost never put stock in them in the actual games, and I don't even know which game you're referencing for them.
Not to mention the Master Sword has yet to actually kill Ganondorf. It's mainly just sealed him away, or like in TP he died because of Zant's lifelink to him and snapping his neck when he was weak.
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They almost never put stock in them in the actual games, and I don't even know which game you're referencing for them.
Not to mention the Master Sword has yet to actually kill Ganondorf. It's mainly just sealed him away, or like in TP he died because of Zant's lifelink to him and snapping his neck when he was weak.
The producers stated that he was killed in WW, (Stabbed in the ****ING HEAD)
And Zant could have REVIVED him after he was mortally wounded, that was the relationship they had with one another, but he decided not to, letting him die. But the MS killed him.
Teleportation. Close proximity mind control Country wide distance mind control Opening and closing Hell Dragging people to Hell Stealing souls Power over the elements. Shooting Fireballs. Psychic control.
There's ALOT more. I usually post the whole list, but you get the point. In Kayfabe, Undertaker is pretty much a deity.
Yet he lost to Vladimir Kozlov without any kind of interference. lmao.
Undertaker's powers are incredibly limited. Your list means nothing; it's inconsistent writing and parlour tricks.
As for your boner for the prophecy, like a bunch of people have said, it's a silly prophecy. Ganon flatout is not taking a nuke. He's a vaguely magical creature who can adapat to repel weak bombs and omg swords, heh.
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From: XIII_rocks | #111 I see MWC has aban[quoted text]
Yet he lost to Vladimir Kozlov without any kind of interference. lmao.
Undertaker's powers are incredibly limited. Your list means nothing; it's inconsistent writing and parlour tricks.
As for your boner for the prophecy, like a bunch of people have said, it's a silly prophecy. Ganon flatout is not taking a nuke. He's a vaguely magical creature who can adapat to repel weak bombs and omg swords, heh.
It has been stated in Canon that Taker limits his powers, because he likes seeing others suffer as much as he can, and if he ran rough shod on the company with the full extent of his powers all the time people would not suffer as much. The one exception is WrestleMania, where he unleashes his true powers.
I'm not saying it is not poor writing, it is. That does NOT change the fact it is canon in their universe though. Otherwise the entire Twilight series would have no canon at all, since it is all horrible writing.
And who has stated that in canon? People who want to make Taker appear more threatening and would lie about it?
Taker is not a book or movie character. If he can be literally beaten so bad that he has to be carried out of the ring at Wrestlemania, then he can be pinned. Honestly, the "can't be beaten at WM" thing was shaky at best until the match against Trips, but that just destroyed any notion of his invulnerability. There's nothing magical or exceptional about a pin. It's somebody's shoulders on the mat for 3 seconds.
From: KJH | #114 Except during wrestlemania, he never uses all of his powers.
And he almost loses to HHH to the point that he can't even walk out of the ring lol
Again bad writing (Blame Cena, they had good writers before they had to cater to kids because of this idiot). And, he did beat HHH, so the whole can't lose at WM thing did go on, even after any normal human would have been done. That match showed it is literally impossible to defeat him.
And who has stated that in canon? People who want to make Taker appear more threatening and would lie about it?
Taker is not a book or movie character. If he can be literally beaten so bad that he has to be carried out of the ring at Wrestlemania, then he can be pinned. Honestly, the "can't be beaten at WM" thing was shaky at best until the match against Trips, but that just destroyed any notion of his invulnerability. There's nothing magical or exceptional about a pin. It's somebody's shoulders on the mat for 3 seconds.
Taker...
He is a fictional character in a fictional universe on a TV show, so yeah, the exact same. Mark Calloway does not have ANY of these powers, but the Undertaker does.
yeah like I said, if the "can't be beaten at WM" logic was shaky before, it was pretty much torn apart by HHH. Even the full extent of his powers couldn't stand up to being hit by a blunt weapon a few times, and some wrestling moves, lol. He wasn't pinned to the mat for a three-count (OMG!), but he was so utterly damaged that his nervous system would not respond to him. His invulnerability at WM was completely forgotten when he couldn't even walk out. If it hadn't already become a non-issue when Gonzales damaged him with Chloroform or Kane lifted his shoulders at WM14.
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Taker saying that is a wrestler intimidating his opponent. Total bs and not to be taken seriously, especially when actual fact (being so damaged at a WM that he couldn't even walk, and disappeared for at least 8 months as a result) contradicts it.
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From: XIII_rocks | #120 Taker saying that is a wrestler intimidating his opponent. Total bs and not to be taken seriously, especially when actual fact (being so damaged at a WM that he couldn't even walk, and disappeared for at least 8 months) contradicts it.
It's like are you this dumb?
You are literally making the argument here.
In Kayfabe, there is NOTHING else that can be done to Taker at WM, nothing. He still won, he took so much damage, that afterward (IMMEDIATELY afterward) he could not even move, and yet he could not lose BEFORE the bell rung.
There is a reason that WM XXVIII against HHH won my Taker most powerful Kayfabe contest on this board. Because there is nothing more that could be done. No matter what you do, you CAN NOT defeat Taker at Mania.
I'm gonna throw in the name Julius to this topic. FE4 final boss. He basically can only really be beaten by Narga, is a dragon god reborn and has the ability to teleport anywhere on earth. The arguments for Ganondorf/Ganon work for him even better.
It was heavily, heavily implied that HHH was about to end the streak with the sledgehammer, but Taker got Hell's Gate locked in out of desperation.
So yeah, saying "there is nothing else to be done" is factually wrong, given HHH literally had the sledgehammer in his hand and the "kayfabe" power of a sledgehammer is indisputably above that of a steel chair or even a Pedigree.
Hell, in kayfabe had HHH gone with a heavy pin after the Tombstone he probably would have gotten him then, too.
I'm not convinced that a bunch of ignorant people handing down legends that describe their Ganondorf experiences has much bearing on how the universe actually works. Can Ganon survive a nuke? A gunshot? Having to face his shadow inside a TV? We don't know because he never has to do those things, and the characters in the game who explain this "canon" don't either.
From: OmarsComin | #124 I'm not convinced that a bunch of ignorant people handing down legends that describe their Ganondorf experiences has much bearing on how the game actually works. Can Ganon survive a nuke? A gunshot? Having to face his shadow inside a TV? We don't know because he never has to do those things, and the characters in the game who explain this "canon" don't either.
In fairness he could PROBABLY survive a gunshot given his impressive regeneration. A missile? Probably not.
XIII_rocks posted... From: OmarsComin | #124 I'm not convinced that a bunch of ignorant people handing down legends that describe their Ganondorf experiences has much bearing on how the game actually works. Can Ganon survive a nuke? A gunshot? Having to face his shadow inside a TV? We don't know because he never has to do those things, and the characters in the game who explain this "canon" don't either. In fairness he could PROBABLY survive a gunshot given his impressive regeneration. A missile? Probably not.
He would probably no sell a gunshot, forget merely surviving it. Let's not undersell him too much.
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From: OmarsComin | #124 I'm not convinced that a bunch of ignorant people handing down legends that describe their Ganondorf experiences has much bearing on how the universe actually works. Can Ganon survive a nuke? A gunshot? Having to face his shadow inside a TV? We don't know because he never has to do those things, and the characters in the game who explain this "canon" don't either.
Those prophecies were written before Ganondorf was even born. (or at the very least before he got the ToP) The Sword of Evil's Bane prophecy is spoken of in OoT. At that time, no one has had any eperience with him.
I just prefer to take things as I see them, rather some silly prophecy.
The whole damn series is about Prophecies. The LEGEND of Zelda.
There has yet to be one single prophecy in the series less than 100% correct.
The Hylians who come up with this can literally feel/sense the gods, hence why they can do magic. There is no reason to think if it is said that NOTHING else can do anything, that anything else could do anything.
Hey MWC, I have a character who, by the canon he's from, has every ability ever including an archive of every situation ever. Could he use the ability to always beat Taker at WM to beat him? What about summoning a stronger copy of Taker?
Perfect Ultima. Aw yeah.
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From: EmDubyaSee | #131 The whole damn series is about Prophecies. The LEGEND of Zelda.
There has yet to be one single prophecy in the series less than 100% correct.
The Hylians who come up with this can literally feel/sense the gods, hence why they can do magic. There is no reason to think if it is said that NOTHING else can do anything, that anything else could do anything.
... Since when is a legend a prophecy?
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I'm not saying that he can't survive a gunshot, just that the people in the universe he inhabits would have no concept of a gun and any prophecy they made about him would only include the information they can understand. All sorts of games/TV shows have some weird dumb rule about how some guy can only be beaten by X, but that doesn't make it true, just true as far as those people know.
From: OmarsComin | #135 I'm not saying that he can't survive a gunshot, just that the people in the universe he inhabits would have no concept of a gun and any prophecy they made about him would only include the information they can understand. All sorts of games/TV shows have some weird dumb rule about how some guy can only be beaten by X, but that doesn't make it true, just true as far as those people know.
They always say the hero will come and stop Ganon/dorf, and that's flat out wrong given The Wind Waker's intro where the gods just flood the world instead.
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They always say the hero will come and stop Ganon/dorf, and that's flat out wrong given The Wind Waker's intro where the gods just flood the world instead.
There was no prophecised return of the Hero on that though.
There wasn't a prophecy about WW Link beating Ganondorf either! If you go by what the King says, Link's not even really the hero, they just think he could do it based on sheer courage.
Half the games don't have a prophecy either honestly.
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Also, we know that in canon, one of the Zelda universes is created because the Hero of Time gets the Master Sword and still loses to Ganondorf. There's a lot of reason to doubt the value of their predictions.
From: OmarsComin | #145 Also, we know that in canon, one of the Zelda universes is created because the Hero of Time gets the Master Sword and still loses to Ganondorf. There's a lot of reason to doubt the value of their predictions.
It says CAN defeat him, not will defeat him. Technically in TP for instance, he could still easily Kill Link, but the only way that Link could kill him is with the Sword, without it he is screwed.
From: JeffreyRaze | #144 How do you deal with conflicting canon MWC?
I don't. Unless you are Sarda (or someone who could literally change canon so that UT is no longer impossible to defeat at WM) you can't beat Taker at Mania. All the knowledge in the world doesn't help you one iota if you can't win.
From: SythaWarrior | #125 I'm gonna throw in the name Julius to this topic. FE4 final boss. He basically can only really be beaten by Narga, is a dragon god reborn and has the ability to teleport anywhere on earth. The arguments for Ganondorf/Ganon work for him even better.
You can beat Julius faster if you don't spend the time getting Julia back, let alone getting Narga and dragging her back to him <_< Dubiously canon, but on the other hand it's not like Fire Emblem has ever been a series that features big showings of power, I think there's basically Nergal doing some big explosion in FE7, a dragon smashing part of a castle in FE10, and...yeah, that's about it.
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