Board 8 > Who's Nintendo's most canonically powerful character?

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redrocket
01/03/12 1:07:00 PM
#51:


So MWC, who would win a match between Ganondorf and the Undertaker? The match of course takes place at Wrestlemania.

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Pirateking2000
01/03/12 1:09:00 PM
#52:


Meh I guess to be specific Super Dimentio would be really high up there

Destroying and recreating the multiverse all while fighting + he went lol to the games plothax devices of love and friendship etc etc

plus didn't Dimentio one shot Mario Peach and Bowser for the lawlz at one point?

yeeeah

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KJH
01/03/12 1:10:00 PM
#53:


Ganondorf could probably beat Giygas no problem. He's got the full support of all his minions, and he's almost always got at least the Triforce of Power, which means he has a source of divine power.

Given time, he could probably take Samus out too. She commonly gets beaten on by Ridley, who by all means is just... a dragon thing, but it's not like he even has to breathe fire to hurt her, it's usually as simple as slap her with his claws. Any nonhuman Ganon form's physically stronger than Ridley. That, and who knows if it resists magic well or not. She gets her suit turned off or depowered tons throughout the series.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
01/03/12 1:13:00 PM
#54:


Lol at people making arguments for Zelda and Paper Mario characters. Ganondorf is one tough dude, but he can't fight gods, even with the whole Triforce.

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redrocket
01/03/12 1:15:00 PM
#55:


Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
Lol at people making arguments for Zelda and Paper Mario characters. Ganondorf is one tough dude, but he can't fight gods, even with the whole Triforce.

You realize that Super Dimentio is a god, literally.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:17:00 PM
#56:


From: redrocket | #051
So MWC, who would win a match between Ganondorf and the Undertaker? The match of course takes place at Wrestlemania.




Ganondorf gets disqualified. Taker can't lose the match, Ganondorf can't be actually beaten.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:18:00 PM
#57:


From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #054
Lol at people making arguments for Zelda and Paper Mario characters. Ganondorf is one tough dude, but he can't fight gods, even with the whole Triforce.




He KILLED god's without ANY of the Triforce, so no, but nice try.

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KJH
01/03/12 1:20:00 PM
#58:


What are the Nintendo characters that are "gods" that Ganon can't beat?

Julius in FE4? I mean the dude still can go down to humans and regular weapons, he's just really strong. His effect wasn't immunity from weapons, it was just halved damage from everything iirc.

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redrocket
01/03/12 1:21:00 PM
#59:


14_and_counting posted...
From: redrocket | #051
So MWC, who would win a match between Ganondorf and the Undertaker? The match of course takes place at Wrestlemania.


Ganondorf gets disqualified. Taker can't lose the match, Ganondorf can't be actually beaten.


What if it's a no disqualification match?!

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:23:00 PM
#60:


From: redrocket | #059
14_and_counting posted...
From: redrocket | #051
So MWC, who would win a match between Ganondorf and the Undertaker? The match of course takes place at Wrestlemania.


Ganondorf gets disqualified. Taker can't lose the match, Ganondorf can't be actually beaten.


What if it's a no disqualification match?!




Taker wins by pin (eventually, somehow). He can't hurt Ganondorf, so Ganondorf would not tap. But he can't BEAT Taker period.

Also possible that Ganondorf is counted out. Taker wins that way too.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
01/03/12 1:23:00 PM
#61:


You realize that Super Dimentio is a god, literally.

I've played Super Paper Mario, yes. Super Dimentio is a small-fry by RPG terms.

He KILLED god's without ANY of the Triforce, so no, but nice try.

Sages=/=gods


I guess you guys haven't played a lot of games outside of the Nintendo mainstream series.

Dimentio and Ganondorf wouldn't last a second against the Xenoblade villain, and he's not even the most powerful character in the game.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:24:00 PM
#62:


From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #061
You realize that Super Dimentio is a god, literally.

I've played Super Paper Mario, yes. Super Dimentio is a small-fry by RPG terms.

He KILLED god's without ANY of the Triforce, so no, but nice try.

Sages=/=gods


I guess you guys haven't played a lot of games outside of the Nintendo mainstream series.

Dimentio and Ganondorf wouldn't last a second against the Xenoblade villain, and he's not even the most powerful character in the game.




I never said Sages. I said gods.

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DeathChicken
01/03/12 1:26:00 PM
#63:


The answer is Pokey's mom. Look what she did to Buzz Buzz

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Takfloyd_mkII__
01/03/12 1:33:00 PM
#64:


I never said Sages. I said gods.

If you could point me to the source for this frankly stupid claim, maybe you'd be a bit more credible? I've played all the Zeldas, and Ganondorf never kills any gods. His kill record says: Soldier in the back alley in OoT, Sage of Water in TP, umm... I think that's it? Unless you're talking about beating Midna, but that would just be stupid.

Regardless, even Hyrule's godesses wouldn't stand a chance against who I was talking about, so whether or not Ganondorf hypothetically kills any of them is irrelevant.

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GANON1025
01/03/12 1:36:00 PM
#65:


I think it's a stretch to say that Ganondorf has only ever killed 2 people.

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FL81
01/03/12 1:37:00 PM
#66:


1st gen Mewtwo

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:47:00 PM
#67:


He kills the Deku Tree and Jabu Jabu.

He nearly off Jabun, and he was not so much as scratched by a DIRECT attack from Valoo, who had to run away immediately after, other wise, you know, he would have been killed.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 1:55:00 PM
#68:


I've never bought this "can only be killed by x" crap. Especially in an environment that predates modern artillery.

My mind can't perceive Ganon walking through a nuke, for instance.

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KJH
01/03/12 1:55:00 PM
#69:


Skyward Sword has some stuff, and plenty of other games have Ganondorf able to more or less overcome anything but a properly set up Link with Master Sword, Light/Silver Arrows, tons of backup (sages and/or Zelda), etc.

But Xenoblade's a good point, I guess it can be considered a Nintendo game. In which case, endgame Shulk is the strongest character pretty easily.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 1:57:00 PM
#70:


From: XIII_rocks | #068
I've never bought this "can only be killed by x" crap. Especially in an environment that predates modern artillery.

My mind can't perceive Ganon walking through a nuke, for instance.




Until Canon says differently, he could survive a damn black hole.


There is not a lot of ambiguity here.


ONLY by the sword of Evils Bane.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 2:00:00 PM
#71:


Yes there is. What else has Ganon dealt with? A SMALL BOMB?! OH S***

He has durability that exceeds human levels and is magical, whatever, but being utterly melted is not something he can deal with. Come at me.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:03:00 PM
#72:


From: XIII_rocks | #071
Yes there is. What else has Ganon dealt with? A SMALL BOMB?! OH S***

He has durability that exceeds human levels and is magical, whatever, but being utterly melted is not something he can deal with. Come at me.




Because the prophecy clearly says ONLY the sword of evil's bane, unless of course he is melted.

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KJH
01/03/12 2:05:00 PM
#73:


Dude, Ganondorf's able to be beaten by things other than the Master Sword. It's just they need to be some pretty high level holy kind of stuff.

I mean, hell. Silver Arrows have done it, the Four Sword's done it, etc etc

Shulk would be able to cut him to pieces pretty easily.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 2:09:00 PM
#74:


Punt Ganondorf into the sun. He survives it. Makes perfect sense, not.

Prophecy-schmophesy. Has it ever been explicitly tested? Has he been explicitly shown to deal with firepower beyond omg sharp metal and minor explosives? Hell if we want to use magic, can he survive Sun of Nothing, or that Rand Al'Thor spell? Can he survive an attack that he cannot comprehend?

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:09:00 PM
#75:


From: KJH | #074
Dude, Ganondorf's able to be beaten by things other than the Master Sword. It's just they need to be some pretty high level holy kind of stuff.

I mean, hell. Silver Arrows have done it, the Four Sword's done it, etc etc

Shulk would be able to cut him to pieces pretty easily.




Nope.



And he was sealed by the Four Sword, he can be sealed by mutlple things (Zelda, sages with no hero, swords) but he can't be defeated by anything except the sword as a human. This is canon, this has NO exceptions.

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redrocket
01/03/12 2:12:00 PM
#76:


Ganon was the evil overlord of Hyrule, until he took a (silver) arrow to the knee.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 2:15:00 PM
#77:


The lack of an exception has not been tested by anything remotely worth a damn.

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Lightning Strikes
01/03/12 2:16:00 PM
#78:


There's quite a few Nintendo characters who are literally gods, like Arceus, the Goddesses, the Wise One, Super Dimentio, two particular characters from Xenoblade Chronicles...

Of course, most of those have fairly vague limits to their power. That also goes for the cosmic horrors like Giygas. It's hard to say how powerful they are, or if they can even be quantified in terms of power.

But Ganondorf's pretty powerful. He was blowing up city's in TP and pretty much singlehandedly conquered an entire country on several occasions. The final boss of Skyward Sword may be even stronger. Among mortals though, it's probably Samus.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:17:00 PM
#79:


From: XIII_rocks | #077
The lack of an exception has not been tested by anything remotely worth a damn.




Because all the OTHER prophecies in the series have been wrong...

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CorporalSphynx
01/03/12 2:18:00 PM
#80:


I'm pretty sure I beat Ganon once using a bug net.

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GuessMyUserName
01/03/12 2:19:00 PM
#81:


Shulk Shulk Shulk

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 2:20:00 PM
#82:


From: 14_and_counting | #079
Because all the OTHER prophecies in the series have been wrong...


It's not necessarily a question of being wrong, but a question of being naive.

Straight answer: do you believe Ganondorf would survive literally being teleported to the middle of the sun?

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01/03/12 2:22:00 PM
#83:


I can answer for him, yes

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:22:00 PM
#84:


From: Lightning Strikes | #078
Among mortals though, it's probably Samus.




On average, for sure.

At peak power though, absolutely not. Link rails Phazon Samus (her strongest form) if he has all his toys from everything.


He would be able to teleport to her instantly, would have unlimited magic power with which to do his amazingly potent attacks over and over, would be invisible, could fly, and would be able to attack her with swords from great distances away, oh yeah, and there would be FOUR of him at the same time. There is more, but that is way more than enough.

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redrocket
01/03/12 2:25:00 PM
#85:


14_and_counting posted...
From: Lightning Strikes | #078
Among mortals though, it's probably Samus.


On average, for sure.

At peak power though, absolutely not. Link rails Phazon Samus (her strongest form) if he has all his toys from everything.


He would be able to teleport to her instantly, would have unlimited magic power with which to do his amazingly potent attacks over and over, would be invisible, could fly, and would be able to attack her with swords from great distances away, oh yeah, and there would be FOUR of him at the same time. There is more, but that is way more than enough.


For someone who is so hung up on canon, it's weird to see you go off on a tangent about a form of Link that has never existed in Zelda canon.

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KJH
01/03/12 2:26:00 PM
#86:


Silver Arrows literally kill him in the first zelda game.

And he died in the Oracle games without needing the Master Sword either.

And the Four Swords have beaten him in FSA.

He's died to things other than the Master Sword about as often as he's died to the Master Sword. >_>

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:27:00 PM
#87:


From: XIII_rocks | #082
It's not necessarily a question of being wrong, but a question of being naive.

Straight answer: do you believe Ganondorf would survive literally being teleported to the middle of the sun?




Yes I do, because there is nothing in the games, or canon outside the games that says otherwise.


It's the same with Taker at WM. All these morons saying **** like Avatar Aang could beat him. His canon power is quite simple. CAN'T LOSE AT WM, I don't care who he is against, he wins, end of.

Ganondorf can't be destroyed by anything except the Sword of Evil's Bane, therefore, I believe, that if it is NOT the Sword of Evil's Bane (and last I checked the Enola Gay did not drop a Master Sword on Hiroshima) no matter WTH it is, that it can't defeat Ganondorf.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:28:00 PM
#88:


From: redrocket | #085
14_and_counting posted...
From: Lightning Strikes | #078
Among mortals though, it's probably Samus.


On average, for sure.

At peak power though, absolutely not. Link rails Phazon Samus (her strongest form) if he has all his toys from everything.


He would be able to teleport to her instantly, would have unlimited magic power with which to do his amazingly potent attacks over and over, would be invisible, could fly, and would be able to attack her with swords from great distances away, oh yeah, and there would be FOUR of him at the same time. There is more, but that is way more than enough.


For someone who is so hung up on canon, it's weird to see you go off on a tangent about a form of Link that has never existed in Zelda canon.




I'm just going by what Ulti said earlier. That Link is stronger than Samus.

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th3l3fty
01/03/12 2:28:00 PM
#89:


From: 14_and_counting | #079
Because all the OTHER prophecies in the series have been wrong...


odds are that the prophecies only mention the Master Sword because it's the only thing that exists that can kill him

why would anyone want to know that a futuristic weapon they'll likely never see could kill him?

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01/03/12 2:30:00 PM
#90:


And yet, Ganondorf can still lose to Peach in Brawl.
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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:30:00 PM
#91:


From: th3l3fty | #089
odds are that the prophecies only mention the Master Sword because it's the only thing that exists that can kill him

why would anyone want to know that a futuristic weapon they'll likely never see could kill him?




Nukes are spoken of in the Bible prophecies.

The same nukes that can't beat Gaondorf.

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redrocket
01/03/12 2:30:00 PM
#92:


14_and_counting posted...
I'm just going by what Ulti said earlier. That Link is stronger than Samus.

You mean that a hypothetical non-canon version of Link is stronger than Samus?

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KJH
01/03/12 2:33:00 PM
#93:


Dude, that's stupid. The Vampire Killer's got every bit as much a blessing for killing evil as the Master Sword, there'd be no reason it wouldn't be able to kill Ganondorf.

Same goes for like a million other things.

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14_and_counting
01/03/12 2:34:00 PM
#94:


From: KJH | #086
Silver Arrows literally kill him in the first zelda game.

And he died in the Oracle games without needing the Master Sword either.

And the Four Swords have beaten him in FSA.

He's died to things other than the Master Sword about as often as he's died to the Master Sword. >_>




They kill Ganon.

He was never actually revived in the Oracle games, just a mindless shell, even so, again, that was Ganon, not Ganondorf form.

The FS did not kill him, it sealed him.


Ganondorf has died twice, both to the Master Sword.

Ganon has died twice, both to the Silver Arrows.

Shell of Ganon was defeated once. He more than likely had the MS in canon (Linked game and all) but not that it matters, not really him and all.

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KJH
01/03/12 2:36:00 PM
#95:


Ganondorf is Ganon.

They aren't different people.

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redrocket
01/03/12 2:37:00 PM
#96:


KJH posted...
Ganondorf is Ganon.

They aren't different people.


They are different forms though, with arguably different vulnerabilities.

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XIII_rocks
01/03/12 2:39:00 PM
#97:


From: KJH | #086
Silver Arrows literally kill him in the first zelda game.

And he died in the Oracle games without needing the Master Sword either.

And the Four Swords have beaten him in FSA.

He's died to things other than the Master Sword about as often as he's died to the Master Sword. >_>


Yipee, cold and indisputable logic.

And Taker's WM record is a joke against...anyone decent. He's dealt with wrestling moves. That's almost as pathetic as the so-called "immortal" Ganon having dealt with sharp metal and maybe some small bombs that aren't even on TNT level. Taker won one match because somebody used chloroform against him and was DQd, but said chloroform did actually weaken him a bit. LOL GUYS HE'S SO IMPOSSIBLE TO DAMAGE

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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 2:39:00 PM
#98:


From: redrocket | #092
14_and_counting posted...
I'm just going by what Ulti said earlier. That Link is stronger than Samus.

You mean that a hypothetical non-canon version of Link is stronger than Samus?




Yes, but even going by canon, just looking at the Hero of Time, at his peak he would still be able to do everything I said a second ago except split himself in 4, invisible, sword shots, and infinite fly.

I still think being invincible, teleporting, and having unlimited really damaging magic attacks would beat Hyper Samus.

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01/03/12 2:42:00 PM
#99:


quick someone find a picture frame or something that can't be defeated canonically

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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 2:42:00 PM
#100:


From: KJH | #096
Ganondorf is Ganon.

They aren't different people.




They are however very different forms. Ganon can only be defeated by the Silver Arrows, this is stated, the Master Sword can't do him in, it is needed to stop him, but only the Silver Arrows can do him in.

The Silver Arrows by the same token can't stop Ganondorf, as we see the Light Arrows can make him vulnerable, but only the Master Sword can off him.

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