Rule change for how long matches last for this holiday season!
1. No alt voting 2. Matches will last exactly 48 hours. If someone goes up 15 on their opponent and discussion is clearly over, the match might end early. 3. Be honest with your vote. I can't hold anyone to this, but just pick who you think will win the match regardless of other circumstances. 4. Feel free to debate how much and how ever you like. 5. Don't have fun, fun is your enemy.
Last Match: Agent Smith couldn't beat Chaos, so he decided to make him join him to the tune of 8-0.
There will be spoilers for the last days of foxhound and Pokemon in this topic.
Machamp is a Pokemon from the, well, Pokemon series. He is a fighting type with four arms and is capable of amazing feats of strength using these four arms. Machamp's trump card, however, is its signature ability of No Guard. This ability makes it so that any move Machamp uses cannot miss its opponent. Likewise, any move the opponent uses against Machamp cannot be dodged. Thus it can be stated that Machamp has reality warping punches that cannot be dodged no matter the circumstance or the ability of the opponent. This is the nature of the proud fighting type Pokemon Machamp.
Versus.
Revolver Ocelot is from a lot of things, but in this case we are talking about the Last Days of Foxhound web comic. In the comic he displays many similar skills to that of his Metal Gear Solid counterpart. He is completely immune to any attempts at mind control, even going so far as to fake it at times just to screw with Psycho Mantis. He has been tragically diagnosed with Chronic Backstabbing Disorder (CBD) which makes him vulnerable to acts of backstabbing his comrades. Ocelot also is capable of hitting shots that may very well be literally impossible, except they are not. He has pointed his gun in the opposite direction and shot something behind him, pointed his gun at the ground and shot something in the air, as well as various other trick shots that could very well break reality itself if thought upon too much.
Machamp wins by either using Mach Punch (Or Bullet Punch <_<) and slaughtering Ocelot before he can flinch, or outright catching the bullets and not getting hit.
With four arms that react more quickly than it can think, it can execute many punches at once.
It punches with its four arms at blinding speed. It can launch 1,000 punches in two seconds.
(Those are its Crystal and Diamond version Pokedex entries, which most certainly suggest he can catch a bullet. On top of that, I'd believe that Machamp can tank bullets, but I have no direct info to back it up)
Yellow Pokedex: "One arm alone can move mountains. Using all four arms, this Pokémon fires off awesome punches."
FireRed Pokedex: "Its four ruggedly developed arms can launch a flurry of 1,000 punches in just two seconds."
outright catching the bullets
Ruby Pokedex: "Machamp has the power to hurl anything aside. However, trying to do any work requiring care and dexterity causes its arms to get tangled. This Pokémon tends to leap into action before it thinks."
Catching bullets with his hand should require more dexterity than Machamp has.
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Pearl Pokedex: "It can knock a train flying with a punch. However, it is terrible at delicate work using its fingers."
So the problem is more than just getting his arms tangled.
Machamp gets into fights before he even really thinks about what he's doing. Machamp will start to punch as soon as the battle starts. Machamp will be able to punch before Ocelot can pull the trigger. The punch will connect due to the No Guard ability. Machamp hits hard enough to one shot Ocelot. No Guard works both ways. If Ocelot could survive the first punch, he could try firing his gun while being sent over the horizon and potentially kill Machamp like this. I don't think Ocelot had the durability for that, though. Also Machamp if Machamp keeps attacking, Ocelot will be getting hit by the punches while in midair.
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From: Achromatic | #001 Machamp's trump card, however, is its signature ability of No Guard. This ability makes it so that any move Machamp uses cannot miss its opponent. Likewise, any move the opponent uses against Machamp cannot be dodged. Thus it can be stated that Machamp has reality warping punches that cannot be dodged no matter the circumstance or the ability of the opponent. This is the nature of the proud fighting type Pokemon Machamp.
From: Team Rocket Elite | #018 Same way it works in the games, I imagine
How does it work in the games? Does it work on non-metallic objects?
No, but it means Bullet Punch probably wouldn't work, since it's a Steel-type.
So then the question is who gets their attack off first, and who is faster. Since we're apparently taking No Guard's game mechanic description to be completely literal, then it would also make sense that Machamp's low speed causes him to be slower than Ocelot.
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You guys are putting too much stock into a few lines of text that change from game to game. If any of it were true, Machamp would be invincible in the Pokeverse, but he's a mid tier Pokemon, and low tier final evolution.
No Guard or not, Machamp needs to be close to Ocelot to hit him. Ocelot empties six in Machamp's Skull before he reaches him.
From: SoCalPatriotFan | #027 You guys are putting too much stock into a few lines of text that change from game to game. If any of it were true, Machamp would be invincible in the Pokeverse, but he's a mid tier Pokemon, and low tier final evolution.
Game Mechanics are what holds him back, you know <_<
And no, Machamp doesn't need to be anywhere close to Ocelot to hit him with no-guard
Why are we assuming a brain teleshot from Ocelot isn't going to work? A shot that *directly* teleports to Machamp's brain is an autokill and Ocelot can and would do this.
From: _Regaro_ | #030 cuz machamp punches faster than Ocelot can shoot
This does absolutely nothing considering he isn't hitting instantly as soon as the match starts. Given the writeup, Ocelot's reaction times are better than Machamp's.
From: KanzarisKelshen | #031 This does absolutely nothing considering he isn't hitting instantly as soon as the match starts. Given the writeup, Ocelot's reaction times are better than Machamp's.
From: Team Rocket Elite | #011 Machamp gets into fights before he even really thinks about what he's doing. Machamp will start to punch as soon as the battle starts. Machamp will be able to punch before Ocelot can pull the trigger. The punch will connect due to the No Guard ability. Machamp hits hard enough to one shot Ocelot. No Guard works both ways. If Ocelot could survive the first punch, he could try firing his gun while being sent over the horizon and potentially kill Machamp like this. I don't think Ocelot had the durability for that, though. Also Machamp if Machamp keeps attacking, Ocelot will be getting hit by the punches while in midair.
'Before he even really thinks about what he's doing' means that he still has reaction times. Sorry, but he isn't going fast enough to pulverize Ocelot before he gets braincapped. It takes a lot to kill a human instantly, but a shot to the head kills most everything in a moment.
It should be added that Ocelot's crazy aiming skills apparently carry over to his ability to ricochet shots, as he was described at one point as being able to kill a room full of people *with the same bullet*
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Machamp can move a mountain with one arm. He's got more than enough power to kill a human in a single punch.
Are there any examples of Ocelot going straight for a kill in Last Days of FOXHOUND? The two pages linked to so far have him standing around but he is behind a shield in them.
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I'm not familiar with him in the games. If a pokemon used fly or dig would Machamp still be able to hit them?
Yes. The attacks can still be blocked with Protect or a Substitute. It doesn't bypass immunities so a Ghost Pokemon would not be hit by a Normal or Fighting type attack.
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