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Grimlyn
04/09/23 5:16:40 PM
#202:


yeah that is the trick, that Illumination really is all about comedies so I really don't expect a deep dive into Nintendo properties

unless a buncha companies start begging Nintendo to get in on the action

but that would also make collab movies difficult

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KamikazePotato
04/09/23 5:17:07 PM
#203:


LightningStrikes posted...
Dredd shows you can make a great film and keep the helmet on. Unfortunately that movie bombed!
The helmet is intrinsically tied to Dredd's character though. He's someone who has killed his ego to become an avatar of the law. I think Samus has enough personality at this point that going the helmet-heavy route would be a mistake. It would have been a mistake in all those Marvel movies, too.

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LightningStrikes
04/09/23 5:18:25 PM
#204:


Nintendo has a pretty diverse array of tones that just doesnt suit Illumination normally. Other than the broader Mario universe and Pokmon the franchises really dont fit their style. Even a Zelda movie from them would seem weird.

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Grimlyn
04/09/23 5:20:42 PM
#205:


Zelda can do it excuse me princess style hell yeah

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LightningStrikes
04/09/23 5:21:59 PM
#206:


Also heres how you do Xenoblade: make it a live-action TV series, film it on location and sets in the UK, get as much of the cast and crew of Andor as possible. Youre welcome.

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MoogleKupo141
04/09/23 5:37:01 PM
#207:


LightningStrikes posted...
Nintendo has a pretty diverse array of tones that just doesnt suit Illumination normally. Other than the broader Mario universe and Pokmon the franchises really dont fit their style. Even a Zelda movie from them would seem weird.

they could do a pikmin movie and really minionize those fuckers

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KanzarisKelshen
04/09/23 5:39:58 PM
#208:


KamikazePotato posted...
The helmet is intrinsically tied to Dredd's character though. He's someone who has killed his ego to become an avatar of the law. I think Samus has enough personality at this point that going the helmet-heavy route would be a mistake. It would have been a mistake in all those Marvel movies, too.

Any Metroid movie has to open with like, 10-15 minutes of silent storytelling IMO just because it is the most correct way to convey the tone of the franchise. Samus speaking and unmasking should be a 'whoa' moment. Not easy to storytell that way tho, admittedly

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neonreaper
04/09/23 5:44:59 PM
#209:


I think Zelda would be a better fit for a series instead of a movie

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LeonhartFour
04/09/23 5:48:44 PM
#210:


do a Breath of the Wild adaptation where Link immediately storms the castle after leaving the plateau and make it a one hour special

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TeamRocketElite
04/09/23 5:55:14 PM
#211:


LeonhartFour posted...
do a Breath of the Wild adaptation where Link immediately storms the castle after leaving the plateau and make it a one hour special


Without ever speaking a single word.

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KamikazePotato
04/09/23 6:01:52 PM
#212:


I'd literally pay to see speedrunning physics brought to a big-budget motion picture.

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andylt
04/09/23 6:01:57 PM
#213:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
they could do a pikmin movie and really minionize those fuckers
oh no

I am unsettled that you have brought this idea into the world

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ZenOfThunder
04/09/23 6:22:15 PM
#214:


fuck I forgot to put Pikmin in my cinematic universe

stick it in Phase 4. Captain Falcon is in it

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AriaOfBolo
04/09/23 8:29:53 PM
#215:


Mario and Rabbids is right there as long as we're doing cursed Illumination things

we could get Minions vs. Rabbids for ultimate boomer meme supremacy

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LinkMarioSamus
04/10/23 7:37:45 AM
#216:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Any Metroid movie has to open with like, 10-15 minutes of silent storytelling IMO just because it is the most correct way to convey the tone of the franchise. Samus speaking and unmasking should be a 'whoa' moment. Not easy to storytell that way tho, admittedly

I get that, but I feel like I'd prefer to see Die Hard on a space station. Think Other M's setup minus most of that game's BS. Maybe rename the station Nakatomi even. I also genuinely like my idea of stocking the movie with as many high-profile actresses as possible...or at least I did until I realized I was naming almost entirely white actresses. Sad. Maybe Varada Sethu (Andor) could play Samus?

Side note: Yes I am genuinely watching Andor.

More on topic, to be fair it would probably be better to use something like Deep Rising or The Black Hole as a template for a Metroid movie, but I feel like most of the board would understand my mention of Die Hard better. Might also be biased since I saw the aforementioned two movies this year and didn't think either of them was that bad.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/10/23 2:41:44 PM
#217:


Is NINTENDO going WOKE??? Samus is a GIRL in new Metroid trailer! NINTENDO ILLUMINATION UNIVERSE ALREADY RUINED!

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KanzarisKelshen
04/10/23 2:49:26 PM
#218:


AriaOfBolo posted...
Mario and Rabbids is right there as long as we're doing cursed Illumination things

we could get Minions vs. Rabbids for ultimate boomer meme supremacy

See Mario + Rabbids is like, a genuinely great material for a movie tho

You could absolutely just do Sparks of Hope as a movie and it'd both be generally easy to transplant and genuinely real good IMO

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LinkMarioSamus
04/10/23 4:47:56 PM
#219:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Is NINTENDO going WOKE??? Samus is a GIRL in new Metroid trailer! NINTENDO ILLUMINATION UNIVERSE ALREADY RUINED!

Anti-progressives tend to be fine with female leads as long as they're not crashing "established" brands. Given Hollywood's reliance on such, I feel like that still ends up being insultingly sexist, but to each their own I guess? I mean, I understood concerns like that for something like the Ghostbusters reboot, but not for a franchise as big as Star Wars or the Marvel Cinematic Universe because in that case it just seems like the most horrific kind of gatekeeping imaginable. I'm not entirely sure why so many Star Wars and comic book fans fail to realize the kind of conduct that has turned them into a laughingstock; the only thing I can think of is they think anyone who labels them sexist/racist is a filthy social justice warrior who only cares about infecting their political agendas into entertainment. The worst part is I don't even doubt there are agendas at work, and it's only whether they're devious political agendas I'm not terribly sure of. Especially given Disney's quest to pander to every ethnic group out there with the MCU (sorry if this offends anyone, I say this as someone who thinks Ms. Marvel is the best thing in Phase 4 that doesn't involve Spider-Man) and their repeated queerbaiting, it seems plain as day to me film studios only care about "diversity" as long as they think it gets them the green. If anything, Disney is especially bad there, but that's another topic.

I want a live-action Metroid movie made just so it includes Adam Malkovich and humiliates him as much as possible.

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Obellisk
04/13/23 6:38:50 PM
#220:


I saw the Mario movie with the kids today. They thought it was hysterical and walked out singing Peaches.

The pace of the movie was awful
The writing wasn't great
The music selections, while enjoyable made very little sense.
The Easter eggs, of which there were sooooo many, were all fantastic.

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UF8
04/14/23 3:09:03 AM
#221:


forgot to post in here after i watched it the other day

The arrangements were hit or miss, the pop inserts sucked ass, the illumination tone was painful when it entered the spotlight, the easter eggs were the main factor to redeem it but they were just too shallow and intrusive to hope to carry it all... though honestly, for the most part, all the voice castings worked exactly as intended to my surprise so it still wasn't as bad as i thought

still a movie that i think is a slight miss at best in every demographic

re:metroid movie i was just having a convo with a friend on the way back that i think the only real way to do a metroid movie well would be for it to be full-fledged r16/18 scifi thriller and i don't see a nintendo-backed production being allowed that freedom
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LightningStrikes
04/14/23 4:30:21 AM
#222:


Still not seen this, but its up to 58% on RT now. While it is probably not that likely it could hit 60 after all.

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NoFInBadger
04/16/23 12:54:27 AM
#223:


Saw it earlier this afternoon.

It sucked.

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tcaz2
04/16/23 1:57:23 AM
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Saw it earlier this afternoon.

It was great.
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HaRRicH
04/16/23 9:56:15 PM
#225:


Just saw it.

Movie's fun! Worst part's the beginning minutes in the real world. I really like what they did with Toad. I'm still not over how weird Mario's eyes are. Bowser's the best.

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Dark_Young_Link
04/16/23 10:10:37 PM
#226:


Just watched it as well.

I enjoyed it. It didn't blow me away, but it was good enough that I can recommend watching it. Lots of Easter Eggs.

Hoping Daisy shows up in the (near) inevitable sequel.

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LinkMarioSamus
04/17/23 9:19:23 AM
#227:


Hot take: the reason video game movies are doing so well nowadays is because most blockbuster movies are effectively video games without interactivity anyways!

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MoogleKupo141
04/17/23 10:05:15 AM
#228:


I think a few writers just figured out how to do something sort of ok after seeing a bunch of bad attempts.

theyre still putting out dog shit, unsuccessful video game movies too. Remember there was both a bad RE movie and a bad tv show in the past two years? And a Monster Hunter movie!

actually maybe its just capcom that is the problem

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LightningStrikes
04/17/23 10:50:42 AM
#229:


Or more specifically a Constantin Film problem, who produced all of those.

I feel the narrative around video game movies always being bad was basically the combination of two factors:

-A couple of high profile flops in the 90s (namely Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter).

-A lot of very poor video game movies coming from two directors, Uwe Boll and Paul WS Anderson.

Once studios started taking game adaptations seriously again in the mid-2010s it didnt take long for better stuff to turn up.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/17/23 11:27:26 AM
#230:


Took my daughter to see it as her first movie.

I legitimately cant get her to sit and watch anything that isnt Coraline, and she loved it.

I enjoyed the nostalgia, everything about Bowser was good, some lines were funny, and I loved watching my kid watch it.

Also is this the first time weve seen fire flower DK?

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LinkMarioSamus
04/17/23 2:55:09 PM
#231:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I think a few writers just figured out how to do something sort of ok after seeing a bunch of bad attempts.

theyre still putting out dog shit, unsuccessful video game movies too. Remember there was both a bad RE movie and a bad tv show in the past two years? And a Monster Hunter movie!

actually maybe its just capcom that is the problem

To be fair, I mostly meant in terms of commercial success, not critical reception to quite the same extent. Also why I specified movies. Like I said earlier, I have no idea how both Sonic movies and Pokmon: Detective Pikachu have Fresh ratings on Rotten Tomatoes since they seem like everything professional critics would hate, so the only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is nostalgia for those properties. Something like that might be working for this Mario movie as well, with the reasons it's on the wrong side of Fresh possibly being reasons like the movie being animated and therefore there not being as much of a wow factor to seeing Mario on the big screen the way there was for Pokmon and Sonic (at least by comparison), or the Mario plot formula being done to death in the games for a while and/or the same being true for nostalgia pandering in the Mario franchise.

For the record, I have seen both Sonic movies and Detective Pikachu. It's just not my opinion I'm concerned about right now. So yes, I'm kind of looking at this as an industry analyst right now. You can tell I watch a lot of Dan Murrell.

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colliding
04/17/23 3:18:10 PM
#232:


There's no mystery/conspiracy as to why critics liked the Sonic movies and Detective Pikachu but not Mario. They're simply better written films, with actual character development and less obviously formulaic.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/17/23 3:34:47 PM
#233:


Still pissed well never get another Detective Pikachu

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XIII_Rocks
04/17/23 3:37:44 PM
#234:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Still pissed well never get another Detective Pikachu

https://www.polygon.com/pokemon/23623837/pokemon-detective-pikachu-2-director-writer-release

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LightningStrikes
04/17/23 5:54:38 PM
#235:


colliding posted...
There's no mystery/conspiracy as to why critics liked the Sonic movies and Detective Pikachu but not Mario. They're simply better written films, with actual character development and less obviously formulaic.

Mario is literally 6% behind Detective Pikachu and Sonic 2 on RT. The reviews were more or less in the same range.

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MoogleKupo141
04/17/23 6:03:38 PM
#236:


LightningStrikes posted...
Mario is literally 6% behind Detective Pikachu and Sonic 2 on RT. The reviews were more or less in the same range.

yeah the metacritic average for Mario is 46 , the average for both Sonic movies is. 47


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MoogleKupo141
04/17/23 6:04:32 PM
#237:


You can tell I watch a lot of Dan Murrell.

I could not tell, I do not know who that is

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Crescent-Moon
04/17/23 6:33:36 PM
#238:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I could not tell, I do not know who that is


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ScepterOfLove
04/17/23 9:27:45 PM
#239:


Finally saw it. I have the same gripes with it everyone else does. But man, that Rainbow Road scene was pure CINEMA. That alone was worth the price of admission. Loved all the action sequences, really.

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04/17/23 10:42:50 PM
#240:


LightningStrikes posted...
Mario is literally 6% behind Detective Pikachu and Sonic 2 on RT. The reviews were more or less in the same range.

It serves me right for responding to an LMS post without fact checking first

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GreenMario
04/18/23 3:00:58 PM
#241:


Mario is actually 10% behind Detective Pikachu on Rotten Tomatoes; 58% to 68%. Sonic is 69% (nice) so Mario is 11% behind that.

For what it's worth I think the critics are being unusually hard on it. I'm not going to claim it's "cinema" but I do think it's film that's worth giving a passing grade to. Will agree that adding a bit more meat to a sequel would be appreciated however.

sources:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_super_mario_bros_movie
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pokemon_detective_pikachu
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sonic_the_hedgehog_2

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Paratroopa1
04/18/23 4:49:31 PM
#242:


I feel like the biggest reason critics don't like this movie is that it's really made with fans of Mario in mind. There's a lot of stuff in this movie that isn't even really properly introduced, just assuming you are already acquainted with the world and the characters in it and their associated gags. I was thinking about the "blue shell" gag, for instance; if you've ever played Mario Kart, you get it, it's a funny little joke/reference. If you've never played Mario Kart, there is absolutely no context to that moment whatsoever, it's just a guy yelling "blue shell!" and attacking. It makes no sense. The movie is rife with that kind of stuff which has to make it a hard watch if you're not invested in the Mario universe. Similar movies don't really have this problem - Sonic 2 for instance has plenty of easter eggs and Sonic-related stuff in it but it tells a fairly traditional story that you don't really need to be previously invested in the universe to get. SMB really foregoes nearly all worldbuilding and normal storytelling in favor of just assuming that you already kind of get it.
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NoFInBadger
04/18/23 5:18:09 PM
#243:


Ehh the movie sucked.

It'll be forgotten about in 5 years like the 2017 Power Rangers flop reboot and Detective Pikachu.

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LightningStrikes
04/18/23 8:05:07 PM
#244:


Ahh I thought Detective Pikachu was at 64% as well, my bad.

Paratroopa1 posted...
I feel like the biggest reason critics don't like this movie is that it's really made with fans of Mario in mind. There's a lot of stuff in this movie that isn't even really properly introduced, just assuming you are already acquainted with the world and the characters in it and their associated gags. I was thinking about the "blue shell" gag, for instance; if you've ever played Mario Kart, you get it, it's a funny little joke/reference. If you've never played Mario Kart, there is absolutely no context to that moment whatsoever, it's just a guy yelling "blue shell!" and attacking. It makes no sense. The movie is rife with that kind of stuff which has to make it a hard watch if you're not invested in the Mario universe. Similar movies don't really have this problem - Sonic 2 for instance has plenty of easter eggs and Sonic-related stuff in it but it tells a fairly traditional story that you don't really need to be previously invested in the universe to get. SMB really foregoes nearly all worldbuilding and normal storytelling in favor of just assuming that you already kind of get it.

Eh, Id say the vast majority of critics get those jokes, even the ones who barely play video games. Mario Kart 8 alone has sold over 60 million copies and has been played by many more a lot of whom will never own a Switch. Its a very broad appeal.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/18/23 8:19:19 PM
#245:


60 million copies worldwide is really not that many when you consider there are 260 million adults in the US alone.

I agree with Para, if you just have a passive cultural knowledge of Mario (or less) and go to this with your kid, I don't see much for you to grab onto.

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Zigzagoon
04/18/23 8:19:49 PM
#246:


I think you vastly overestimate how many people play video games.

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Paratroopa1
04/18/23 8:21:35 PM
#247:


60 million copies is going to include buyers who didn't play the game that much or don't remember it that well too, and like, in most cases it's the kids playing the games

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LightningStrikes
04/18/23 8:23:05 PM
#248:


Yeah but its a multiplayer game, those 60 million copies will get played by several people each and thats just one game in the series. My granddad played Mario Kart Wii once. This movie will sell about 100 million tickets. Thats a lot compared to one video game but not a lot compared to the whole franchise.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/18/23 8:43:46 PM
#249:


Paratroopa1 posted...
I feel like the biggest reason critics don't like this movie is that it's really made with fans of Mario in mind. There's a lot of stuff in this movie that isn't even really properly introduced, just assuming you are already acquainted with the world and the characters in it and their associated gags. I was thinking about the "blue shell" gag, for instance; if you've ever played Mario Kart, you get it, it's a funny little joke/reference. If you've never played Mario Kart, there is absolutely no context to that moment whatsoever, it's just a guy yelling "blue shell!" and attacking. It makes no sense. The movie is rife with that kind of stuff which has to make it a hard watch if you're not invested in the Mario universe. Similar movies don't really have this problem - Sonic 2 for instance has plenty of easter eggs and Sonic-related stuff in it but it tells a fairly traditional story that you don't really need to be previously invested in the universe to get. SMB really foregoes nearly all worldbuilding and normal storytelling in favor of just assuming that you already kind of get it.

I honestly liked "blue shell" better when it was just the guy driving the tank/kart. That to me was a quality reference of a blue shell that destroys everything in it's path. When it went full 'blue shell' and directly did the from-the-game thing I thought it was too on the nose. It's like it interrupted it's own reference to say "now let's stop for a second and REALLY make sure you understand what we're doing here".

But that's all consistent with "kid movie" stuff.

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HaRRicH
04/18/23 10:33:51 PM
#250:


As someone raised on Mario and video games, I have no notes about the whole blue shell sequence. I liked it all.

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04/18/23 10:59:44 PM
#251:


LightningStrikes posted...
Yeah but its a multiplayer game, those 60 million copies will get played by several people each and thats just one game in the series. My granddad played Mario Kart Wii once. This movie will sell about 100 million tickets. Thats a lot compared to one video game but not a lot compared to the whole franchise.

Yes but would your grandad get a blue shell reference?

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