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LinkMarioSamus 07/18/22 1:43:21 PM #301:	Leonhart4 posted... Oh hey it's LMS being weird about girls again I was just sarcastically imagining some straw figure who hates the new Thor movie because it's a rom-com apparently. I don't know of the criticisms anti-progressives actually have with the movie because I stopped watching the Midnight's Edge video on it right at the beginning like I mentioned earlier. Also BTW I only watch their stuff when they REPEATEDLY show up in my suggested list, and even then rarely ever the whole thing. I do get curious rather easily though. Not going to lie, part of the reason I was looking forward to Jane becoming another Thor was to see what impact it would have on the "main" Thor. I like what I've heard on that front! Oh man, buff Natalie Portman + whacko Christian Bale, might like this. I loathe gender-swapped characters typically but at least here the original's still around. The fact the anti-progressive crowd still cries woke even at movies with white male leads is just obnoxious beyond belief though. Multiverse of Madness was still clearly a Doctor Strange movie (yeah the plot was bonkers but he was still the focus), and I get the feeling Love & Thunder is still clearly a Thor movie. TBH Leon wasn't entirely wrong earlier when he said I do agree with some of what 'anti-progressives' say though, it's more their politics that irk me to no end and the fact they're becoming more blatant grinds my gears. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966661361] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh hey it's LMS being weird about girls again</quote> I was just sarcastically imagining some straw figure who hates the new Thor movie because it's a rom-com apparently. I don't know of the criticisms anti-progressives actually have with the movie because I stopped watching the Midnight's Edge video on it right at the beginning like I mentioned earlier. Also BTW I only watch their stuff when they REPEATEDLY show up in my suggested list, and even then rarely ever the whole thing. I do get curious rather easily though. Not going to lie, part of the reason I was looking forward to Jane becoming another Thor was to see what impact it would have on the "main" Thor. I like what I've heard on that front! Oh man, buff Natalie Portman + whacko Christian Bale, might like this. I loathe gender-swapped characters typically but at least here the original's still around. The fact the anti-progressive crowd still cries woke even at movies with white male leads is just obnoxious beyond belief though. Multiverse of Madness was still clearly a Doctor Strange movie (yeah the plot was bonkers but he was still the focus), and I get the feeling Love & Thunder is still clearly a Thor movie. TBH Leon wasn't entirely wrong earlier when he said I do agree with some of what 'anti-progressives' say though, it's more their politics that irk me to no end and the fact they're becoming more blatant grinds my gears. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 07/18/22 1:49:33 PM #302:	LMS have you seen the movie yet? --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:966661499] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>LMS have you seen the movie yet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 07/18/22 2:00:45 PM #303:	LMS literally the only person here who cares at all about the anti-woke weirdos is you. Everyone else just ignores them because their opinion is incredibly irrelevant. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966661738] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>LMS literally the only person here who cares at all about the anti-woke weirdos is you. Everyone else just ignores them because their opinion is incredibly irrelevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/18/22 2:32:08 PM #304:	IfGodCouldDie posted... LMS have you seen the movie yet? No, waiting for Disney+. And anyway half my family is recovering from Covid. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966662427] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite> <quote>LMS have you seen the movie yet?</quote> No, waiting for Disney+. And anyway half my family is recovering from Covid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 07/18/22 3:05:24 PM #305:	LinkMarioSamus posted... No, waiting for Disney+. And anyway half my family is recovering from Covid. So why let your perception of the movie be tainted by other people before watching the movie? Because no one wants to have a conversation with another person if all their talking points are "well someone else said" they'd be better served have the conversation with that someone else. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:966663189] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote>No, waiting for Disney+. And anyway half my family is recovering from Covid.</quote>So why let your perception of the movie be tainted by other people before watching the movie? Because no one wants to have a conversation with another person if all their talking points are "well someone else said" they'd be better served have the conversation with that someone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/18/22 4:28:18 PM #306:	Just spur of the moment, oops. TBH though the way some people complain about this movie and to some extent Phase 4 as a whole you'd think every superhero movie should be The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, or Infinity War. As someone who got interested in comic book movies for their wide storytelling potential I find that notion revolting. Even if none of the MCU films are particularly ambitious with their plots, that a diverse set of stories with similar trappings can be told in one universe is nothing short of an amazing accomplishment. Regardless of what happens with the MCU in the future, I find it hard-pressed to imagine it being topped. Which is why studios should quit trying to join the shared universe game unless they've already made a serious commitment like WB's Monsterverse. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966665089] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Just spur of the moment, oops. TBH though the way some people complain about this movie and to some extent Phase 4 as a whole you'd think every superhero movie should be The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, or Infinity War. As someone who got interested in comic book movies for their wide storytelling potential I find that notion revolting. Even if none of the MCU films are particularly ambitious with their plots, that a diverse set of stories with similar trappings can be told in one universe is nothing short of an amazing accomplishment. Regardless of what happens with the MCU in the future, I find it hard-pressed to imagine it being topped. Which is why studios should quit trying to join the shared universe game unless they've already made a serious commitment like WB's Monsterverse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 07/18/22 6:57:57 PM #307:	I strongly disagree that this movie needed Loki. There was plenty of ways Love & Thunder could've been a lot better without him being involved What we needed was a LOT more of Gorr the God Butcher. I don't know why Marvel drops the ball with villains so consistently, but he was by far the best thing about the movie and he was barely in it. There was so much that could've been done with really building up how much of a threat he was and the stakes never felt real. We never see him really ~~being~~ the God Butcher beyond the opening scene, and instead get like 10 scenes of screaming goats. The fight in the Shadow Realm was excellent (even if I can't take the name seriously because Yu-Gi-Oh) and I'm really curious what this movie could've been if it took the threat seriously. Thor TDW was unnecessarily bleak but without anything interesting to keep it going, which is part of what made Ragnarok such a nice change of pace. But man, it feels like they just assumed it meant Thor can't work without constant jokes, so everything that was interesting got thrown to the background. Jane Foster's Thor was an afterthought half the time and Valkyrie was barely influential despite tagging along the entire time. ~~This could've been a top 10 Marvel movie pretty easily but it suffers more than most films in the franchise by the trap of being a Marvel movie.~~ --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:966667997] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I strongly disagree that this movie needed Loki. There was plenty of ways Love & Thunder could've been a lot better without him being involved What we needed was a LOT more of Gorr the God Butcher. I don't know why Marvel drops the ball with villains so consistently, but he was by far the best thing about the movie and he was barely in it. There was so much that could've been done with really building up how much of a threat he was and the stakes never felt real. We never see him really being the God Butcher beyond the opening scene, and instead get like 10 scenes of screaming goats. The fight in the Shadow Realm was excellent (even if I can't take the name seriously because Yu-Gi-Oh) and I'm really curious what this movie could've been if it took the threat seriously. Thor TDW was unnecessarily bleak but without anything interesting to keep it going, which is part of what made Ragnarok such a nice change of pace. But man, it feels like they just assumed it meant Thor can't work without constant jokes, so everything that was interesting got thrown to the background. Jane Foster's Thor was an afterthought half the time and Valkyrie was barely influential despite tagging along the entire time. This could've been a top 10 Marvel movie pretty easily but it suffers more than most films in the franchise by the trap of being a Marvel movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 07/18/22 7:38:28 PM #308:	I mean, my complaint wasn't that the movie needed Loki, but rather that there was no meaningful or interesting interpersonal drama or dialogue between Thor and his supporting cast. And Loki typically provided that in the other Thor movies, even the notoriously bad Thor 2. And yeah, Gorr could have provided a lot more of that with more scenes they could have together, but instead we just get a movie that swears to you it has a ton of heart, but it's all surface level. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966668885] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I mean, my complaint wasn't that the movie needed Loki, but rather that there was no meaningful or interesting interpersonal drama or dialogue between Thor and his supporting cast. And Loki typically provided that in the other Thor movies, even the notoriously bad Thor 2. And yeah, Gorr could have provided a lot more of that with more scenes they could have together, but instead we just get a movie that swears to you it has a ton of heart, but it's all surface level. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 07/18/22 7:43:35 PM #309:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... I mean, my complaint wasn't that the movie needed Loki, but rather that there was no meaningful or interesting interpersonal drama or dialogue between Thor and his supporting cast. oh yeah, I completely agree with that Valkyrie easily could've filled that spot if they gave her a real role in the movie. Hell, Korg could've even filled it if they hadn't just tried to make him solely comedic relief. Characters can be funny and ALSO meaningful! --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:966668976] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, my complaint wasn't that the movie needed Loki, but rather that there was no meaningful or interesting interpersonal drama or dialogue between Thor and his supporting cast.</quote>oh yeah, I completely agree with that Valkyrie easily could've filled that spot if they gave her a real role in the movie. Hell, Korg could've even filled it if they hadn't just tried to make him solely comedic relief. Characters can be funny and ALSO meaningful! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 07/19/22 10:59:11 AM #311:	UltimaterializerX posted... You honestly dont think he had meaningful dialogue with Jane? That opinion is surprising. Nah, man. The plot is so sloppy that when they had meaningful dialogue, it feels surface level aside from maybe the conversation on the boat. Like the twist with the "Jane, you can't come help with the battle because you need to recover and also never use Mjolnir again because it's killing you even though it's express reason for coming to you is because it's supposed to protect you." It's supposed to be meaningful but it's undercut by how stupid that is. You just can't fully buy into it. Think back and how many actually impactful scenes did they have together? That weren't them acting like awkward exes? They don't have a legitimately meaningful conversation until the boat scene where she says she has cancer. You COULD have had them sit down and have a serious conversation with everything Thor has gone through in those 8 years while she's still clearly hiding something, but the most we get is jokey dumb humor. Like Thor has been through the shit. We talk about how Thor has lost so much in the movie but we literally don't talk about any of it. No addressing Thor losing his brother, failing to stop the snap, losing the rest of his friends, his parents, his home, most of his people, not taking the throne of the people he was meant to rule over. We mention it and say "Thor sad Thor doesn't want to love now" but it's such a fucking cop out. It's frustrating because there's so much there for Thor, actually, but instead we're just wasting time with bullshit conversations that don't explore any characters. There is my additional Thor L&T rant. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966681997] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>You honestly dont think he had meaningful dialogue with Jane? That opinion is surprising.</quote>Nah, man. The plot is so sloppy that when they had meaningful dialogue, it feels surface level aside from maybe the conversation on the boat. Like the twist with the "Jane, you can't come help with the battle because you need to recover and also never use Mjolnir again because it's killing you even though it's express reason for coming to you is because it's supposed to protect you." It's supposed to be meaningful but it's undercut by how stupid that is. You just can't fully buy into it. Think back and how many actually impactful scenes did they have together? That weren't them acting like awkward exes? They don't have a legitimately meaningful conversation until the boat scene where she says she has cancer. You COULD have had them sit down and have a serious conversation with everything Thor has gone through in those 8 years while she's still clearly hiding something, but the most we get is jokey dumb humor. Like Thor has been through the shit. We talk about how Thor has lost so much in the movie but we literally don't talk about any of it. No addressing Thor losing his brother, failing to stop the snap, losing the rest of his friends, his parents, his home, most of his people, not taking the throne of the people he was meant to rule over. We mention it and say "Thor sad Thor doesn't want to love now" but it's such a fucking cop out. It's frustrating because there's so much there for Thor, actually, but instead we're just wasting time with bullshit conversations that don't explore any characters. There is my additional Thor L&T rant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 07/19/22 1:53:44 PM #312:	Excuse my lack of encyclopedic knowledge of MCU Thor but...isn't his avoidance of real issues/relationships kind of totally in character? He only knows how to fight to relieve conflict/stress. The guy's a ripped god with severe relationship issues. And you think he's just going to sit down and have a meaningful conversation and pour out his soul and talk about all his weaknesses and failures? That's crazy. He's going to do exactly what he does, which is to joke and avoid the actual issues that he can't punch in the face. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:966685805] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Excuse my lack of encyclopedic knowledge of MCU Thor but...isn't his avoidance of real issues/relationships kind of totally in character? He only knows how to fight to relieve conflict/stress. The guy's a ripped god with severe relationship issues. And you think he's just going to sit down and have a meaningful conversation and pour out his soul and talk about all his weaknesses and failures? That's crazy. He's going to do exactly what he does, which is to joke and avoid the actual issues that he can't punch in the face. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 07/19/22 2:34:27 PM #313:	Seanchan posted... Excuse my lack of encyclopedic knowledge of MCU Thor but...isn't his avoidance of real issues/relationships kind of totally in character? He only knows how to fight to relieve conflict/stress. The guy's a ripped god with severe relationship issues. And you think he's just going to sit down and have a meaningful conversation and pour out his soul and talk about all his weaknesses and failures? That's crazy. He's going to do exactly what he does, which is to joke and avoid the actual issues that he can't punch in the face. He had plenty of that in Thor 1, 2, Avengers, and probably some I'm forgetting. It also helps to have people who will actually confront him about his shit too like Loki and Odin would. I'm not saying sit there and start talking about his woes and problems, but there's nobody there to challenge him with any dialogue. Hell, Jane and him were probably the closest and he could at least show a bit of vulnerability to her. There are many ways to have a meaningful dialogue. I pointed out that Gorr even would have been perfect for it, and he kind of does with the "Gods are selfish" plot. But they don't explore that. They don't have Jane actually notice that Thor is hurting on the inside or anything and confront him on it. I just want a little more depth and introspection with Thor that isn't "Thor big afraid to get attached again." You can even explore that in a more meaningful way that's better than "sometimes it's better to feel shitty than feel nothing". Like that's actually the best they got with this film and it sucks. They could have even had a moment where Thor was actually afraid to lose Sif, literally the only old Asgard friend he has from his old life, but instead he just jokes around about it. Hell, where is a conversation between them where Thor catches her up on everything and she asks hard questions about what happened to Asgard and everyone they knew? I don't think I'm asking for much here. I find Thor a legitimately interesting character and they did nothing to challenge him at all here. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966686733] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>Excuse my lack of encyclopedic knowledge of MCU Thor but...isn't his avoidance of real issues/relationships kind of totally in character? He only knows how to fight to relieve conflict/stress. The guy's a ripped god with severe relationship issues. And you think he's just going to sit down and have a meaningful conversation and pour out his soul and talk about all his weaknesses and failures? That's crazy. He's going to do exactly what he does, which is to joke and avoid the actual issues that he can't punch in the face.</quote>He had plenty of that in Thor 1, 2, Avengers, and probably some I'm forgetting. It also helps to have people who will actually confront him about his shit too like Loki and Odin would. I'm not saying sit there and start talking about his woes and problems, but there's nobody there to challenge him with any dialogue. Hell, Jane and him were probably the closest and he could at least show a bit of vulnerability to her. There are many ways to have a meaningful dialogue. I pointed out that Gorr even would have been perfect for it, and he kind of does with the "Gods are selfish" plot. But they don't explore that. They don't have Jane actually notice that Thor is hurting on the inside or anything and confront him on it. I just want a little more depth and introspection with Thor that isn't "Thor big afraid to get attached again." You can even explore that in a more meaningful way that's better than "sometimes it's better to feel shitty than feel nothing". Like that's actually the best they got with this film and it sucks. They could have even had a moment where Thor was actually afraid to lose Sif, literally the only old Asgard friend he has from his old life, but instead he just jokes around about it. Hell, where is a conversation between them where Thor catches her up on everything and she asks hard questions about what happened to Asgard and everyone they knew? I don't think I'm asking for much here. I find Thor a legitimately interesting character and they did nothing to challenge him at all here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 07/19/22 2:55:34 PM #314:	~~Can't really argue with that.~~ As you said, most of the family that could call him on his bullshit are gone. Gorr is a "bad guy" and Jane is/was dealing with her own shit and afraid as well. Sif...honestly I didn't even remember who the hell she was. ~~It's a little unfortunate Thor's transformation into "alpha" meathead jock. Feels like they've lost the balance in the character a bit.~~ --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:966687242] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Can't really argue with that. As you said, most of the family that could call him on his bullshit are gone. Gorr is a "bad guy" and Jane is/was dealing with her own shit and afraid as well. Sif...honestly I didn't even remember who the hell she was. It's a little unfortunate Thor's transformation into "alpha" meathead jock. Feels like they've lost the balance in the character a bit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/19/22 3:07:49 PM #315:	Honestly I feel better whenever I think of the MCU and I'm kind of shocked at how criticism of Phase 4 seems to be picking up now if anything. Clearly Spider-Man set the bar high. My "eww girls" joke earlier wasn't just meant to be a jab at anti-progressives, it was more meant as a general reference to the perception "women's" entertainment in general to the point where stuff like Titanic and Twilight gets so much hate. I don't have an actual opinion on the latter but it seems even a lot of people who hate it feel like they went to far in its heyday. Even otherwise like I said, I don't like criticisms such as the new Thor supposedly seeming like a 7-year old came up with it because that makes it seem like every comic book movie should be The Dark Knight or Infinity War like I said. This is the mentality that breathes to life misfires like Batman v. Superman (we'll gladly ignore how I've never seen that fully either). If the new Thor doesn't have a ridiculous number of subplots vying for attention it's already a good few steps ahead of the Schumacher Batman movies. MAYBE that sounds like a low bar to clear, but I feel like Forever was merely mediocre rather than outright awful so it isn't THAT low. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966687539] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I feel better whenever I think of the MCU and I'm kind of shocked at how criticism of Phase 4 seems to be picking up now if anything. Clearly Spider-Man set the bar high. My "eww girls" joke earlier wasn't just meant to be a jab at anti-progressives, it was more meant as a general reference to the perception "women's" entertainment in general to the point where stuff like Titanic and Twilight gets so much hate. I don't have an actual opinion on the latter but it seems even a lot of people who hate it feel like they went to far in its heyday. Even otherwise like I said, I don't like criticisms such as the new Thor supposedly seeming like a 7-year old came up with it because that makes it seem like every comic book movie should be The Dark Knight or Infinity War like I said. This is the mentality that breathes to life misfires like Batman v. Superman (we'll gladly ignore how I've never seen that fully either). If the new Thor doesn't have a ridiculous number of subplots vying for attention it's already a good few steps ahead of the Schumacher Batman movies. MAYBE that sounds like a low bar to clear, but I feel like Forever was merely mediocre rather than outright awful so it isn't THAT low. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 07/19/22 3:22:47 PM #316:	Directions that Gorr's "Gods are selfish" plot could have gone: - Thor recognizes his own selfishness. They had him destroy a freaking holy structure in the beginning. He's more or less abandoned Earth to go hopping around with the Guardians. He's had a long past of being a selfish prat. He could also be questioned on Odin and Loki ~~- Valkyrie was abandoned by the Gods (barely touched upon in a legitimately good scene) and has now turned New Asgard into a tourist spot and completely sold out so she's no better.~~ - Jane has cancer and no Gods have answered to save her. And there is nothing they would do to help her, even as she helps them. Points out how they all allowed Thanos to wipe out half of all life in the universe and didn't bother to help. Barely touched upon the first part in the movie we got. I like Thor and the lore surrounding him a lot which is why this bugs me so much because there's so much to draw upon that they didn't so we could have a shitty plot where ~~Gorr steals children instead of killing gods and having a serious vendetta against them.~~ --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966687909] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Directions that Gorr's "Gods are selfish" plot could have gone: - Thor recognizes his own selfishness. They had him destroy a freaking holy structure in the beginning. He's more or less abandoned Earth to go hopping around with the Guardians. He's had a long past of being a selfish prat. He could also be questioned on Odin and Loki - Valkyrie was abandoned by the Gods (barely touched upon in a legitimately good scene) and has now turned New Asgard into a tourist spot and completely sold out so she's no better. - Jane has cancer and no Gods have answered to save her. And there is nothing they would do to help her, even as she helps them. Points out how they all allowed Thanos to wipe out half of all life in the universe and didn't bother to help. Barely touched upon the first part in the movie we got. I like Thor and the lore surrounding him a lot which is why this bugs me so much because there's so much to draw upon that they didn't so we could have a shitty plot where Gorr steals children instead of killing gods and having a serious vendetta against them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 07/19/22 5:01:05 PM #317:	Gorr the God Inconveniencer --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:966690278] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Gorr the God Inconveniencer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Lasastryke 07/20/22 3:27:19 AM #318:	LinkMarioSamus posted... I'm kind of shocked at how criticism of Phase 4 seems to be picking up now if anything. Clearly Spider-Man set the bar high. black widow and eternals were panned pretty badly and they were both pre-spider-man. seems to me like phase 4 is tied with phase 1 as the most criticized MCU phase, at least movie-wise. it was more meant as a general reference to the perception "women's" entertainment in general to the point where stuff like Titanic and Twilight gets so much hate. titanic gets so much hate? where? it won a record 11 oscars. Even otherwise like I said, I don't like criticisms such as the new Thor supposedly seeming like a 7-year old came up with it because that makes it seem like every comic book movie should be The Dark Knight or Infinity War like I said. how is that the logical conclusion of that criticism? i assume you're referring to people like doug walker, who said that it seemed like he was watching a minions movie when he watched love & thunder. i have no idea if he's right because i haven't seen love & thunder yet either, but it sounds like he disliked the movie because he thought the writing and humor was childish and juvenile, not because he wants every comic book movie to be the dark knight or infinity war. ragnarok is one of his all-time favorite MCU movies, so... --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr_Lasastryke posted [p:966701980] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote> I'm kind of shocked at how criticism of Phase 4 seems to be picking up now if anything. Clearly Spider-Man set the bar high.</quote> black widow and eternals were panned pretty badly and they were both pre-spider-man. seems to me like phase 4 is tied with phase 1 as the most criticized MCU phase, at least movie-wise. <quote>it was more meant as a general reference to the perception "women's" entertainment in general to the point where stuff like Titanic and Twilight gets so much hate.</quote> titanic gets so much hate? where? it won a record 11 oscars. <quote>Even otherwise like I said, I don't like criticisms such as the new Thor supposedly seeming like a 7-year old came up with it because that makes it seem like every comic book movie should be The Dark Knight or Infinity War like I said.</quote> how is that the logical conclusion of that criticism? i assume you're referring to people like doug walker, who said that it seemed like he was watching a minions movie when he watched love & thunder. i have no idea if he's right because i haven't seen love & thunder yet either, but it sounds like he disliked the movie because he thought the writing and humor was childish and juvenile, not because he wants every comic book movie to be the dark knight or infinity war. ragnarok is one of his all-time favorite MCU movies, so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/20/22 5:29:08 AM #319:	I didn't know that about Doug Walker, was speaking more broadly. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966702780] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I didn't know that about Doug Walker, was speaking more broadly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 07/20/22 7:40:12 AM #320:	LMS was criticizing a group of people that may not actually exist because he feels the need to be part of a conversation for a movie he has yet to see --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:966703830] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>LMS was criticizing a group of people that may not actually exist because he feels the need to be part of a conversation for a movie he has yet to see </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/20/22 10:20:20 AM #321:	Mr_Lasastryke posted... black widow and eternals were panned pretty badly and they were both pre-spider-man. seems to me like phase 4 is tied with phase 1 as the most criticized MCU phase, at least movie-wise. titanic gets so much hate? where? it won a record 11 oscars. how is that the logical conclusion of that criticism? i assume you're referring to people like doug walker, who said that it seemed like he was watching a minions movie when he watched love & thunder. i have no idea if he's right because i haven't seen love & thunder yet either, but it sounds like he disliked the movie because he thought the writing and humor was childish and juvenile, not because he wants every comic book movie to be the dark knight or infinity war. ragnarok is one of his all-time favorite MCU movies, so... With the first one I meant it feels like it has gotten even worse since Spider-Man. I dunno, I guess since I liked Multiverse of Madness overall while still getting the criticisms of the film I half-expect the new Thor to be more of that. Titanic is notorious for getting serious hype backlash after its release, though that has subsided with time. And I just generally got that vibe because of the new Thor being so "campy" as to invite comparisons to Batman & Robin. As if campiness is inherently a bad thing. It was also partially because the criticism comes off as "the same old Marvel"...what exactly did people expect? These movies are not meant to challenge what we think of life or anything! Not saying that excuses any and all criticism, but I'll take Phase 4 over most of Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich any day. Also Doug loved Loki which I thought was the worst entry in Phase 4 out of what I have seen (which is all the movies on Disney+ in addition to Spider-Man, Wandavision, What If, and Hawkeye). I don't mean I have a problem with that, just that I have a good feeling his opinions won't align with mine. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966706128] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>black widow and eternals were panned pretty badly and they were both pre-spider-man. seems to me like phase 4 is tied with phase 1 as the most criticized MCU phase, at least movie-wise. titanic gets so much hate? where? it won a record 11 oscars. how is that the logical conclusion of that criticism? i assume you're referring to people like doug walker, who said that it seemed like he was watching a minions movie when he watched love & thunder. i have no idea if he's right because i haven't seen love & thunder yet either, but it sounds like he disliked the movie because he thought the writing and humor was childish and juvenile, not because he wants every comic book movie to be the dark knight or infinity war. ragnarok is one of his all-time favorite MCU movies, so...</quote> With the first one I meant it feels like it has gotten even worse since Spider-Man. I dunno, I guess since I liked Multiverse of Madness overall while still getting the criticisms of the film I half-expect the new Thor to be more of that. Titanic is notorious for getting serious hype backlash after its release, though that has subsided with time. And I just generally got that vibe because of the new Thor being so "campy" as to invite comparisons to Batman & Robin. As if campiness is inherently a bad thing. It was also partially because the criticism comes off as "the same old Marvel"...what exactly did people expect? These movies are not meant to challenge what we think of life or anything! Not saying that excuses any and all criticism, but I'll take Phase 4 over most of Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich any day. Also Doug loved Loki which I thought was the worst entry in Phase 4 out of what I have seen (which is all the movies on Disney+ in addition to Spider-Man, Wandavision, What If, and Hawkeye). I don't mean I have a problem with that, just that I have a good feeling his opinions won't align with mine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 07/20/22 11:19:34 AM #322:	You know, you don't have to make a post if you don't actually have anything to say. You're continuing to argue against...either yourself or people you have no evidence actually exist. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:966707316] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>You know, you don't have to make a post if you don't actually have anything to say. You're continuing to argue against...either yourself or people you have no evidence actually exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 07/20/22 1:48:53 PM #323:	Thor was fun. I think it will be fun to watch again. I think it suffered from a bit of diminishing returns. I think the movie wasn't truly thoughtful about Gorr's point about the gods being awful, but I am guessing that point may be touched upon in the next Thor movie. I liked Thor and Jane well enough I guess? I do wish King Valkyrie had a little more meat to her. Thor is better with a proper foil - Valk in Ragnarok, Hulk, Loki, etc. Thor as a sympathetic character is fine but Valk didn't play well off of it and just seemed to be humor/objective oriented and then bowed out. Like she's essentially on Thor's side because she's on Jane's side. --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:966710781] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Thor was fun. I think it will be fun to watch again. I think it suffered from a bit of diminishing returns. I think the movie wasn't truly thoughtful about Gorr's point about the gods being awful, but I am guessing that point may be touched upon in the next Thor movie. I liked Thor and Jane well enough I guess? I do wish King Valkyrie had a little more meat to her. Thor is better with a proper foil - Valk in Ragnarok, Hulk, Loki, etc. Thor as a sympathetic character is fine but Valk didn't play well off of it and just seemed to be humor/objective oriented and then bowed out. Like she's essentially on Thor's side because she's on Jane's side. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/21/22 5:29:43 AM #324:	finally finished catching up on the pandemic movies with No Way Home i was really nervous the multiverse stuff would feel too forced/fanservicey, but dang... it really kicked ass. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:966726864] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>finally finished catching up on the pandemic movies with No Way Home i was really nervous the multiverse stuff would feel too forced/fanservicey, but dang... it really kicked ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Lasastryke 07/21/22 7:06:22 AM #325:	i thought it was a very fanservicey movie but hey, fanservice isn't always bad. ~~tobey maguire meeting doc ock again was beautiful.~~ --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr_Lasastryke posted [p:966727635] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>i thought it was a very fanservicey movie but hey, fanservice isn't always bad. tobey maguire meeting doc ock again was beautiful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/21/22 8:49:31 AM #326:	I feel like I found the early parts of the movie most enjoyable. Afterwards Willem Dafoe stole every scene he was in. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966728703] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I feel like I found the early parts of the movie most enjoyable. Afterwards Willem Dafoe stole every scene he was in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/21/22 10:12:23 AM #327:	no way home wasn't terrible, but I think it does rely on nostalgia for the old films, which I don't really have definitely better than far from home --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966730183] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>no way home wasn't terrible, but I think it does rely on nostalgia for the old films, which I don't really have definitely better than far from home </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 07/21/22 10:15:42 AM #328:	One thing I'll say for No Way Home that doesn't get said often For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3 --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:966730251] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>One thing I'll say for No Way Home that doesn't get said often For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/21/22 10:21:22 AM #329:	Johnbobb posted... One thing I'll say for No Way Home that doesn't get said often For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3 til this. totally thought those were new scenes. --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966730382] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Johnbobb posted... </cite> <quote>One thing I'll say for No Way Home that doesn't get said often For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3</quote> til this. totally thought those were new scenes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/21/22 10:23:47 AM #330:	Count me as another who didn't think No Way Home was completely reliant on nostalgia. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966730444] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Count me as another who didn't think No Way Home was completely reliant on nostalgia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 07/21/22 10:40:19 AM #331:	i've never been a big fan of 2000s spideys but I just really loved everything with NWH --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:966730820] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>i've never been a big fan of 2000s spideys but I just really loved everything with NWH </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/21/22 10:42:39 AM #332:	Johnbobb posted... For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3 Mind is blown --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:966730875] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Johnbobb posted... </cite> <quote>For not having Sandman's actor return, they did a phenomenal job making him feel like he was there, between splicing together cgi and old clips from Spider-Man 3</quote> Mind is blown </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 07/21/22 11:05:51 AM #333:	Well there's a reason why he barely speaks and he's in his sand form most of the movie --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:966731450] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Well there's a reason why he barely speaks and he's in his sand form most of the movie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 07/21/22 12:26:38 PM #334:	Not exactly MCU but https://twitter.com/marvel/status/1550148623765327879 --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:966733282] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote> Not exactly MCU but https://twitter.com/marvel/status/1550148623765327879 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 07/21/22 12:37:37 PM #335:	double-checks yeah we've already had this on canadian d+ a while --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:966733501] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>double-checks yeah we've already had this on canadian d+ a while </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 07/21/22 12:40:21 PM #336:	Deadpool and Logan still two of the very best Marvel movies <cite>swordz9 posted [p:966733551] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Deadpool and Logan still two of the very best Marvel movies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 07/21/22 1:25:46 PM #337:	They've been on Disney+ where I live for a good while now. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:966734609] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>They've been on Disney+ where I live for a good while now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 07/21/22 2:33:52 PM #338:	My buddy from college played on the Logan soundtrack --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:966736336] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>My buddy from college played on the Logan soundtrack </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 07/22/22 2:45:26 PM #339:	Ms. Marvel beated I think y'all were a bit too hard on it. It definitely feels rushed in the last two episodes but overall I was more engaged/interested here than in Moon Knight and FaWS at least. It doesn't hurt that I think it was a pretty good introduction to India/Pakistan/postcolonial history for people who don't know anything about that stuff But yeah, the quick character turnarounds /unearned redemption arcs in the last two episodes were definitely jarring --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:966759981] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Ms. Marvel beated I think y'all were a bit too hard on it. It definitely feels rushed in the last two episodes but overall I was more engaged/interested here than in Moon Knight and FaWS at least. It doesn't hurt that I think it was a pretty good introduction to India/Pakistan/postcolonial history for people who don't know anything about that stuff But yeah, the quick character turnarounds /unearned redemption arcs in the last two episodes were definitely jarring </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 07/22/22 3:07:02 PM #340:	I Am Groot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7eFpRf4tac --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:966760485] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I Am Groot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7eFpRf4tac </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 07/22/22 3:12:34 PM #341:	Baby Groot farted and I laughed! --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:966760611] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Baby Groot farted and I laughed! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/22/22 4:10:23 PM #342:	that animated Spider-Man series that was supposed to be a prequel to the Holland movies is now probably not a prequel to the Holland movies because its filled with characters who shouldnt be there like Norman Osbourne and Doc Ock --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:966761847] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>that animated Spider-Man series that was supposed to be a prequel to the Holland movies is now probably not a prequel to the Holland movies because its filled with characters who shouldnt be there like Norman Osbourne and Doc Ock </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 07/22/22 4:38:29 PM #343:	Marvel Studios trademarked Avengers: Secret Wars, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, Captain America: New World Order, Thunderbolts, and Multiverse Saga. --- Change is weird. <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:966762582] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Marvel Studios trademarked Avengers: Secret Wars, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, Captain America: New World Order, Thunderbolts, and Multiverse Saga. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 07/22/22 4:43:36 PM #344:	I really loved No Way Home despite not having any nostalgia for the old films, so I don't think it's reliant on that - although it is at least somewhat reliant on me thinking it's cool that they brought these old characters back, which I did, despite my lack of familiarity with it. I appreciate well executed fanservice, I'm not against it at all <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:966762716] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>I really loved No Way Home despite not having any nostalgia for the old films, so I don't think it's reliant on that - although it is at least somewhat reliant on me thinking it's cool that they brought these old characters back, which I did, despite my lack of familiarity with it. I appreciate well executed fanservice, I'm not against it at all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 07/22/22 6:06:54 PM #345:	Upcoming ~~Marvel Zombies~~ D+ series to be rated TV-MA --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:966764654] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Upcoming Marvel Zombies D+ series to be rated TV-MA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 07/22/22 9:13:44 PM #346:	Have there been new trailers for anything other than I Am Groot? <cite>swordz9 posted [p:966768816] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>Have there been new trailers for anything other than I Am Groot?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 07/22/22 9:31:42 PM #347:	My wife loves Groot so I'm sure she'll eat that up --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:966769226] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>My wife loves Groot so I'm sure she'll eat that up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/22/22 10:29:38 PM #348:	swordz9 posted... Have there been new trailers for anything other than I Am Groot? I think non animated stuff is tomotrkw --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:966770448] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>swordz9 posted... </cite> <quote>Have there been new trailers for anything other than I Am Groot?</quote> I think non animated stuff is tomotrkw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 07/22/22 11:44:10 PM #349:	lol okay, they know how to hide their real plans in a sea of possibilities. https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667590187757569 https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667593157332992 https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667596017840128 --- Change is weird. <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:966771721] in MCU Genera... [t:80084154]...</cite> <quote>lol okay, they know how to hide their real plans in a sea of possibilities. https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667590187757569 https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667593157332992 https://twitter.com/hofficialg2/status/1550667596017840128 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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