Board 8 > MCU General 9 - You Flicked Too Hard

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Thor beated (waiting for post-credits now)

wasn't feeling it in the start, definitely feels like it's zipping through and wew god it's like I'm watching scrubs with all these bits every moment

but it absolutely picks up for each act, won me over a decent ways in and still got better

got tears out of me once almost twice, boy does live up to the title, and left hyped up for Heimdals kid and Gorr's, hope to get more of them both

BetrayedTangy posted...

Haha yeah it's a pretty obnoxious take.

i wouldn't say johnson ruined the trilogy but i do think there's some truth to that take. the last jedi kinda feels like when a superhero comic book switches writers and writer B takes the story into a completely different direction than what writer A intended. it just ends up feeling very disjointed.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I felt like Rachel McAdams was basically holding the movie together during the entire 2nd act. I was impressed with her performance regardless but I feel like I'm behind the curve with her (please don't take it like that). I saw the Downey Sherlock movies when they came out but never since then, should probably also check out Mean Girls and Red Eye sometime.

Wow I just realized Cumberbatch and McAdams have both been in Sherlock Holmes adaptations. Mind blown. Also come to think of it huh, guess the women in Strange's life got plenty of screen time in MoM, although Strange himself felt like he was clearly the focus the whole time and I enjoyed the movie all the more for it.

I get that you're a joke, but McAdams did fuck all in the movie

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

i wouldn't say johnson ruined the trilogy but i do think there's some truth to that take. the last jedi kinda feels like when a superhero comic book switches writers and writer B takes the story into a completely different direction than what writer A intended. it just ends up feeling very disjointed.

Also that you could edit the film into a 40 minute cut and lose none of the plot

My problem with that take is the blame for Rian when it wasn't his fault at all. Abrams had no idea where the story was supposed to go after TFA, he just set things up since he knew it wouldn't be up to him to find the answers to those plot threads. So it doesn't matter which director took over afterward, it would have been a mess regardless since Disney themselves didn't think it was important to plan ahead. I just don't like when one person gets blamed for something when they were in a complicated position to begin with.

But we probably don't need to continue discussing this for the thousandth time.

Fastbreak posted...

I get that you're a joke, but McAdams did fuck all in the movie

She was at least more present than in the first film where I barely noticed her existence. She was of some prominence in MoM.

CassandraCain posted...

My problem with that take is the blame for Rian when it wasn't his fault at all. Abrams had no idea where the story was supposed to go after TFA, he just set things up since he knew it wouldn't be up to him to find the answers to those plot threads. So it doesn't matter which director took over afterward, it would have been a mess regardless since Disney themselves didn't think it was important to plan ahead.

eh, i think this is giving johnson a little too much credit. for example, abrams set up that the identity of rey's parents is super important, so to follow that up with "oh no that was all nonsense she's just a nobody" was pretty stupid. not saying i wanted him to do the "SHE'S PALPATINE'S GRANDDAUGHTER" bullshit that they ended up doing in rise of skywalker, but he could have come up with a more satisfying answer.

i do agree that it's not all his fault, though. a lot of it is the fault of disney/kathleen kennedy for having no idea where they were going.

Abrams didn't need to make her identity important though. It wasn't possible to give a satisfying answer about her lineage. She's a Skywalker? Oh, everyone saw that coming. She's a Kenobi? Oh, everyone wanted that except it would require tainting Obi-Wan's character in some way. Palpatine? Well it's all we have left and it doesn't make sense but it's okay because Sith shenanigans.

Her being no one or related to some other lesser known Jedi from the past were the only decent solutions. The latter would have been hollow, so making her a nobody at least presented the stronger message that anyone can have power. And if it wasn't Rian, it would have been a different director taking the blame for it. It was a cursed position to be in.

Gosh stop baiting me about star wars in the mcu topic guys

Thought I was in MCU general not Star Wars general

Might as well just combine the two

Disney might one day create a Marvel/Star Wars crossover it could happen

Rey as a Skywalker could have been good though.

Rey's parentage is really an unnecessary plot point though and didn't have a bearing on the quality of episode 8.

Fastbreak posted...

I get that you're a joke, but McAdams did fuck all in the movie

I meant mostly in terms of her performance. She does however kind of serve as Mrs. Exposition in the 838 verse or whatever it's called, and I guess that says a lot about how messy the script is.

I feel like my opinion on Multiverse of Madness is about the same as mine on The Last Jedi except I like the former while I'm more ambivalent on the latter at best (I keep bringing up because I'm amazed at the sheer vitriol it gets, like the movie came to life and killed peoples' families or something).

I am amazed at how much people care about this movie that I've spent the entirety of its existence trying to shoehorn into every discussion imaginable

i think the last topic we joked about making the next one mcu general 9 the last jedi

but maybe we were right

Being honest, the real problem is I once used to be subscribed to a lot of those channels that seemed to base their whole identity on bashing TLJ and other "woke" stuff because I genuinely knew no better about their politics at the time. Then it got to the point where I unsubscribed from all of them and recently the only time of day I'd give any of them is checking on Midnight's Edge every now and then because they were a genuinely good source for film news even as late as 2019 and I hope to dear god they get their crap together only to find out EACH AND EVERY TIME that it's always worse than I could have imagined, acting like Ezra Miller and Amber Heard were only kept onboard for their DC projects while WB canned Johnny Depp because of Miller being non-binary and Heard being a woman (missing a lot of context like WB having kept Depp on for Crimes of Grindelwald which led to a lot of PR headaches) and attributing Lightyear's underwhelming opening weekend to the prominence of a lesbian couple in the movie even though nothing about that was advertised ahead of time beyond Pixar staff saying they had re-inserted a same-sex kiss that had been previously struck down by higher-ups as protest against Disney refusing to retract funding for the infamous Florida bill, and I outright did research into it to see that there were probably other reasons even regarding the film's own content which would explain it way better. From that point on I stopped watching their stuff unless it popped into my suggested feed, at which point I'd usually turn it off after like a minute because I knew things weren't going right. The main spokesperson, at the start of the channel's review of the new Thor, described Multiverse of Madness as a "bait-and-switch" which is not remotely the vibe I got from the film at all and from having seen an earlier video I knew he only described it as such because it didn't live up to fan speculation (mostly surrounding cameos) and even compared it to The Last Jedi, a movie full of actual bait-and-switch moments, in that regard.

Even aside from that I still have a general idea what the anti-progressive crowd is up to since another channel I follow chronicles their ridiculous antics (among many other things). I could rant more about Midnight's Edge but I'll spare the thread for now.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Being honest, the real problem is I once used to be subscribed

this is not being honest

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Being honest, the real problem is I once used to be subscribed to a lot of those channels that seemed to base their whole identity on bashing TLJ and other "woke" stuff because I genuinely knew no better about their politics at the time. Then it got to the point where I unsubscribed from all of them and recently the only time of day I'd give any of them is checking on Midnight's Edge every now and then because they were a genuinely good source for film news even as late as 2019 and I hope to dear god they get their crap together only to find out EACH AND EVERY TIME that it's always worse than I could have imagined, acting like Ezra Miller and Amber Heard were only kept onboard for their DC projects while WB canned Johnny Depp because of Miller being non-binary and Heard being a woman (missing a lot of context like WB having kept Depp on for Crimes of Grindelwald which led to a lot of PR headaches) and attributing Lightyear's underwhelming opening weekend to the prominence of a lesbian couple in the movie even though nothing about that was advertised ahead of time beyond Pixar staff saying they had re-inserted a same-sex kiss that had been previously struck down by higher-ups as protest against Disney refusing to retract funding for the infamous Florida bill, and I outright did research into it to see that there were probably other reasons even regarding the film's own content which would explain it way better. From that point on I stopped watching their stuff unless it popped into my suggested feed, at which point I'd usually turn it off after like a minute because I knew things weren't going right. The main spokesperson, at the start of the channel's review of the new Thor, described Multiverse of Madness as a "bait-and-switch" which is not remotely the vibe I got from the film at all and from having seen an earlier video I knew he only described it as such because it didn't live up to fan speculation (mostly surrounding cameos) and even compared it to The Last Jedi, a movie full of actual bait-and-switch moments, in that regard.

Even aside from that I still have a general idea what the anti-progressive crowd is up to since another channel I follow chronicles their ridiculous antics (among many other things). I could rant more about Midnight's Edge but I'll spare the thread for now.

LMS, that was not an invitation to elaborate. It was a request to shut the fuck up about TLJ.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Being honest, the real problem is I once used to be subscribed to a lot of those channels that seemed to base their whole identity on bashing TLJ and other "woke" stuff because I genuinely knew no better about their politics at the time.

...how did you not know about their politics at the time?

do you just subscribe to random youtube channels without looking at their content at all?

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

do you just subscribe to random youtube channels without looking at their content at all?

To be fair I could see that being the case.

He posts in random topics without looking at the content at all all the time.

spoilers LMS doesn't actually disagree with their politics but he knows those views are widely panned here so he does his best to distance himself from them in his posts while continuing to watch their videos and repeat their content

Honestly this Phase 4, series and show alike, has been pretty disappointing

like No Way Home aside I think I take all of Phase 3 over these movies

I know you guys are probably sick of him but LMS makes me laugh because his posts are so unbelievably something.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I could rant more about Midnight's Edge but I'll spare the thread for now.

but you couldn't spare us that wall of text I see

UltimaterializerX posted...

Captain Marvel wasn't even a bad movie. I loved the 90s callbacks.

I loved the 90s callbacks even though they were excessive. It kinda became a recurring joke with me and a friend watching it to constantly point out whenever like No Doubt would play or she's be wearing a NIN shirt "did you know this takes place in the 90s?"

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I know you guys are probably sick of him but LMS makes me laugh because his posts are so unbelievably something.

I'm not joking when I say I love his posts. I even sometimes try to egg him on so I get more content.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

...how did you not know about their politics at the time?

do you just subscribe to random youtube channels without looking at their content at all?

I don't know much about politics, okay?

Oh I definitely don't know what these guys stand for so don't hold it against me that I still continue to ape their talking points because after all I definitely don't agree with them no way

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I stopped watching their stuff unless it popped into my suggested feed, at which point I'd usually turn it off after like a minute because I knew things weren't going right.

See, there's your problem right there. These videos keep being recommended to you because you keep clicking on them. You have to ignore them entirely and watch other things instead to make them go away, not start watching them then turn them off.

On topic, I was wondering, since the older adult heroes are in the process of being phased out, and many of the new heroes being introduced are teenagers, does anyone think this is a conscious decision to aim the MCU at a younger audience than before?

GavsEvans123 posted...

On topic, I was wondering, since the older adult heroes are in the process of being phased out, and many of the new heroes being introduced are teenagers, does anyone think this is a conscious decision to aim the MCU at a younger audience than before?

I think it's more that this is just the natural consequence of having an extended film universe like this. They can't keep having their gradually aging stars playing the same character forever, and they've decided to go the route of (mostly) not recasting. Eventually Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans are going to stop being Iron Man and Captain America. Given that the MCU carries so much weight now, you're better off scouting young talent and developing them into a role and making a star out of them and surrounding them with older, bankable talent in villain and one-off supporting roles. At least, that's kind of the way it seems to me. It could be a conscious effort, but I also think it's kind of your only option at this stage in the game.

LiquidOshawott posted...

Honestly this Phase 4, series and show alike, has been pretty disappointing

like No Way Home aside I think I take all of Phase 3 over these movies

Ant-Man and Wasp and Captain Marvel aren't great. I'd take Shang Chi over those as well as the better TV shows.

I loved No Way Home and thought MoM was pretty great too. Haven't seen Thor or Eternals.

It's not as good as Phase 3 at all and probably won't be no longer how strong it finishes but I feel like it'll likely be better than Phase 1 and Phase 2 which is all I need.

I'm not annoyed by LMS posts, he often says some hilarious shit. Although I would like to point out that if you don't know much about something (such as politics) then you probably shouldn't talk about it as if you do.

GavsEvans123 posted...

since the older adult heroes are in the process of being phased out, and many of the new heroes being introduced are teenagers, does anyone think this is a conscious decision to aim the MCU at a younger audience than before?

Unlike comics, they can't keep the same aging actors around for the same character forever on end. So they have to rely on legacy characters to keep it going. I wouldn't say it's to appeal to younger audiences, it's just the natural progression of things. Unless they wanted to outright recast those big roles, which they feel would be the wrong way to go for obvious reasons.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys are legitimately forgetting the language/cultural/age gap with LMS and you're way too hard on the dude. It's not hard to just ignore his posts and not respond if they annoy you so much.

He enjoys the attention and often courts it himself

wait, LMS isn't american?

funny how ulti has never once given me the benefit of the doubt because of "the language/cultural gap," in any case.

LMS is Indian

ah ok.

He's been posting here 10 years. I know Indians who have been here significantly less time than that and can actually conduct conversation. No pass from me.

Leonhart4 posted...

spoilers LMS doesn't actually disagree with their politics but he knows those views are widely panned here so he does his best to distance himself from them in his posts while continuing to watch their videos and repeat their content

No way

LMS is the kind of person who bases his viewpoints entirely on what he consumes and the circles he's in. Him participating on this board is him being exposed to viewpoints that exist counter to the media he's been consuming.

Leonhart4 posted...

LMS is Indian

ohhhhhhhhuhh

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Him participating on this board is him being exposed to viewpoints that exist counter to the media he's been consuming.

Which is good honestly. At least this board provides him opportunity to grow, whereas if he didn't post here he would be way too far gone.

the reason i don't give LMS a pass on the youtube thing is that a lot of the channels he watches are pretty obscure.

like, midnight's edge is not a big pop culture discussion channel. it would be one thing if he just looked for channels that discuss star wars and superhero movies and some of the stuff he found was alt-right bullshit (which is possible, because some of those channels are pretty big). he's apparently going out of his way to find shitty alt-right channels to watch.

The issue with LMS is that he is frequently told stuff by people here and just keeps going on like he's never been heard it before.

I mostly find him funny too, like completely missing the point on "You talk about TLJ all the time you goober" and then going on to make a giant wall of text talking about why he talks about TLJ. That's comedic, but I also feel kind of bad because you HAVE to be seeing the problem at this point.

There's a point where he's just purposefully missing the mark though.

Oh there's a degree of intentional obtuseness on his part for sure, which he keeps going because he likes the attention, like the kid in school who acted dumb on purpose because it got him laughs

There's also always the possibility that he's simply a robot trying to understand human emotion

Thor beated

Honestly felt like a 6.5/10 for me. Hardly any moments got to breathe. The whiplash I got from comedy to drama and quiet moments, gonna need a bit to recover from that. It felt very unrealistic, and not in a Superheroes doing Superhero things kind of way. Some really damn cool action scenes that saved it for me, but I dunno. The humor really just didn't hit this time for me like it did in Thor 3. Korg in particular missed a lot compared to before and I'm not sure why. I was pretty into Jane's story at the start but it just wasn't presented or progressed in a way that stuck with me.

Still OK, but eh.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

the reason i don't give LMS a pass on the youtube thing is that a lot of the channels he watches are pretty obscure.

like, midnight's edge is not a big pop culture discussion channel. it would be one thing if he just looked for channels that discuss star wars and superhero movies and some of the stuff he found was alt-right bullshit (which is possible, because some of those channels are pretty big). he's apparently going out of his way to find shitty alt-right channels to watch.

maybe he just got caught up in the algorithm. I imagine if youre not intentionally avoiding it, it could be easy to end up down some dark path.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

maybe he just got caught up in the algorithm. I imagine if youre not intentionally avoiding it, it could be easy to end up down some dark path.

"The Dark Side of the Web is a pathway to many posts some consider to be unnatural."

alright it's finished

*shrug* I enjoyed it but definitely a flawed experience going through with it. I basically kept in mind "yeah yeah it's rushed but give it to mee" so yeah. Can't help feeling the struggles of the last eps jumping off so now things are really coming together in a rush and it's like geez too bad we couldn't have explored more of the Jersey side of this.

closing scene tho uhhhhhhhhhhhh unique genes that doesn't come from Kamala's family but...... a "mutation" unique to her??? huhhhhhhhhh

lmao Inhumans get fucked, Kamala switched teams

I really enjoyed that, definitely a step up from the previous view episodes and probably one of the better finales for one of these shows

closing scene tho uhhhhhhhhhhhh

that sure sounded like an x-men theme sting like in MoM

thats hilarious if they really made her a mutant.

It makes some sense, since she probably would have just been a mutant if she hadnt been introduced specifically at the time Marvel was pushing Inhumans super hard

but also the extra layer of justification seems unnecessary... theyre probably not going to have her hang out with the X-Men

So read an article about how Disney gave Watiti a time limit for Thor which is why it ran under two hours and I feel like they must be putting the similar kind of restrictions on their TV shows. I wonder if it is because they are concerned about fatigue so they are just trying to cut down run times arbitrarily.