Board 8 > Cyberpunk 2077 Review Zone

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that system hurts.
then again i don't tend to buy games until a bit of time has passed anyway which... that system doesn't seem particularly useful on. also some games are totally trash but enjoyable runthroughs, even if they don't amount to what would be a 4/10!

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TheRock1525 posted...

How is it a cancer? It's literally just opinions. People have been giving opinions on entertainment media for centuries, if not millenias.

cancer of metacritic is more towards practices in the industry. it's such a useful tool that it ended up being another part of the marketing game, has bonuses tied to it, etc.

StealThisSheen posted...

Because to them, as you tell it, it'd be like pointing out that the sky is blue or that it sometimes rains. It's a non-issue to them.

no, it's a major issue to them because the question is how exactly does this game do it. the idea that if you're into cyberpunk you won't point out the bleakness doesn't make sense - because it's an inherent part of the formula you're going to focus on it and how exactly it interacts with the world, pointing out issues or hypocrisies of it if you do find it. if you don't then you're just bad at reviewing and your content on this is more worthless than someone not aware at all.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

So what are the reviewers who are familiar with the cyberpunk genre saying about its execution of cyberpunk themes/atmosphere/etc.? I'd love to hear whatever other reviewers are saying rather than just focusing on the one GameSpot review.

Basically that it's mostly a rehash of 80s cyberpunk themes and culture. Executed with spot-on attention to detail but not really making any attempt to innovate a modern take on the genre aside from the parallels that have been there since Blade Runner and Neuromancer. That might not be a bad thing to the target audience that just wants to revel in the 80s-ness of it all, but it's disappointing to some that they aren't really taking the opportunity to update the genre in any significant way.

This is definitely contributing to the more frequent mention of political themes in reviews. Cyberpunk was made in the 80s as a response to world politics. It's inherently political, and people wondered if that would translate to a modern take. Instead they mostly seem to be doing a greatest hits of classic tropes.

I really do recommend reading Neuromancer, by the way, to anyone interested in this game or the genre. I read it a couple months back and it helds up as a fun read and was also funny to see just how much that book has been ripped off by most cyberpunk-y pop culture media over the years. Just from trailers and pre-release stuff I can already pick out a couple major things lifted straight out of it.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Basically that it's mostly a rehash of 80s cyberpunk themes and culture. Executed with spot-on attention to detail but not really making any attempt to innovate a modern take on the genre aside from the parallels that have been there since Blade Runner and Neuromancer. That might not be a bad thing to the target audience that just wants to revel in the 80s-ness of it all, but it's disappointing to some that they aren't really taking the opportunity to update the genre in any significant way.

...hm.
so basically it's sticking to the source material a little too much? wonder if this has to do with the cyberpunk brand itself considering red is coming out soon/just released.

like the blunt question here is basically how much of this game is just "Witcher 3 but cyberpunk."

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/cyberpunk-2077-criticized-for-unskippable-cutscene-where-you-have-to-eat-peanuts-even-if-youre-allergic/

They cant keep getting away with this.

wow, the hard times is increasingly dedicated to proving my antipathy towards it is justified

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The hard times is fucking great

the hard times is my favorite website after gamefaqs dot com

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NFUN posted...

wow, the hard times is increasingly dedicated to proving my antipathy towards it is justified

Do they hurt your feelings?

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Wanglicious posted...

...hm.
so basically it's sticking to the source material a little too much? wonder if this has to do with the cyberpunk brand itself considering red is coming out soon/just released.

like the blunt question here is basically how much of this game is just "Witcher 3 but cyberpunk."

The one somewhat consistent take I see is that Witcher 3 is a better game and is doing more and better things with the source material. Cyberpunk 2077 isn't "the Witcher 3 of cyberpunk" but it is "cyberpunk from the makers of Witcher 3."

As a related point, I've seen a mixed consensus on if the game has the same "heart" that W3 does. The main plot seems to be relatively standard cyberpunk heist shit (with ya boy Keanu). The rest of the game...some people say the tone is too edgy, some people say it's got a lot of positivity, others say it's a mixed bag. It seems to depend on the sidequests people do, because there is both high praise and ambivalence towards them. What that is saying to me is that CDPR's writing has some great parts at the micro level but the game is so massive that they might have diluted what made W3 great. And obviously a bigger game means more chances to drop the ball.

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gotcha. probably doesn't help that Witcher 3 had multiple expansion packs to improve the game (i think vanilla had similar complaints on the mixed bag stuff that dwindled upon their release?) and two games before it for them to really get their feet wet in the world, though they're just better at making games than they were for Witcher 1.

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The Hard times:

"At press time, CD Projekt RED had yet to comment on the gameplay mechanic where you have to confront your abusive ex every time you upgrade your gun"

Fucking LOL

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Nanis is only half wrong on what "transphobia" means. These days you get called a -phobic bigot for merely disagreeing with or criticizing a protected class on the internet. It's very bad thought practice to do this, but again, it's a thing that only happens on the internet. I know this is anecdotal, but every trans person I know is able to deal with a fair disagreement or a good joke. They love the Chapelle skit on the alphabet people, for instance.

An actual phobia or hatred is far different from what most people in this topic are describing, and I'm convinced most of you are playing dumb because you're bored and need something to do. You know full well almost everyone here is a nice person and wouldn't be a douchebag to trans people in real life just because.

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People calling a world's bleakness a negative thing I can defend; that setting is not for everyone. They better have had that criticism for The Last of Us 2, though.

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The most popular Review Zone topic in a while!

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Nanis23 posted...

Do they hurt your feelings?

It offends me in the worst possible way: by being terribly unfunny

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I also have a bunch of trans friends who all individually tell me how much they love specific chapelle show sketches.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I also have a bunch of trans friends who all individually tell me how much they love specific chapelle show sketches.

That's not really how it went. At my LGS a bunch of us play Magic (obviously), and being the extroverted crazy man I am I asked them about it. Why not? You never know if you don't ask. We had a good chat and ended up putting the special on one of the TVs. It was a good time and we all still go there. Well not now thanks to covid, but we're all still in touch.

In total fairness, they're all MTF so maybe I only have half a story here. I do know some FTM folks, just not in that particular venue.

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it does sound more reasonable with the reveal that they were all in the same place and it wasnt like you just systematically approached every trans person you knew separately to ask about it
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Just want to say I am now a new fan of The Hard Times

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PostContestUlti posted...

Nanis is only half wrong on what "transphobia" means.

What is the wrong half?

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I dunno i think it's maybe just a mediocre and buggy, empty game that was hyped to be the greatest game of the decade

but maybe im wrong

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You have to be absolutely braindead to think a CYBERPUNK (the genre) game that doesnt intentionally rebuke the themes of cyberpunk is specifically what SJW say they want.

Talk about a surface-level analysis to a comicalbordering on satiricaldegree.

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I heard from someone that gamers only care about whether or not a game is good and not political stuff, so it seems pretty weird to me that KiA is more interested in talking about trans peoples reactions to the game than they are in talking about how CDPR is putting out a game with huge technical issues and not providing reviews copies of the console versions at all. That stuff should be way more relevant to their interests.
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Boy I love it when topics about games get derailed for political reasons that barely relate to the game, by people who clearly have an ulterior motive but complain about critics having ulterior motives barely relating to the game.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Boy I love it when topics about games get derailed for political reasons that barely relate to the game, by people who clearly have an ulterior motive but complain about critics having ulterior motives barely relating to the game.

You know it only happened because said ulterior motives critics were defended here right?

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oh boy here comes the reactionary backlash

I look forward to the r/gamingcirclejerk threads about the r/kotakuinaction threads

And also hopefully the Board 8 ZenOfThunder threads

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Nanis23 posted...

You know it only happened because said ulterior motives critics were defended here right?

The ulterior motive of... of... providing an honest analysis of a game! Heavens.

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Honestly the only thing I care about is how bad the technical issues are going to be when it comes out for everyone. I did say I would probably wait a few months until most bugs are fixed but I dont really want to do that

Personally I have no plans on playing it until after I play through the Witcher 3 and I'm already waiting for the PS5 patch for that which will probably come after all the cyberpunk patches so I'm in it for the long haul

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Shine you should never have created this topic!

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shine thank you for creating this topic

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It's called Cyberpunk 2077 because when you see it you'll turn 2077 degrees and walk away

https://i.imgur.com/ylXW8nR.gif

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the day 1 patch for consoles is making it sound the majority of glitches the reviews complained about have already been fixed

I guess we'll see

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lol who reads an EULA

you have to be bending over backwards to defend the game is you think that a warning tucked away in something no one reads is enough for a game with such serious epileptic triggers
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Warnings in EULA's are worthless because they are blanket for all games.

Literally every modern game has a seizure warning, it means nothing unless it is specifically called out on it's own.

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Stupid me not checking the freaking EULA for very clear and blatant seizure-inducing scenes.

My buddy who is a producer at Ubisoft said he cannot understand how this happened, and that the seizure checks for Ubisoft games are among the highest priority and one of the first checks they make constantly. It's just irresponsible that they didn't check this. It just shouldn't happen.

Even if I saw a seizure thing in the EULA I would be like "okay my epilepsy isn't that bad. I'll get a little sick and just move on." But these scenes are just well and beyond reasonable epilepsy triggers. It's ridiculous that it got to final with this.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

lol who reads an EULA

you have to be bending over backwards to defend the game is you think that a warning tucked away in something no one reads is enough for a game with such serious epileptic triggers

Reviewers lied.

Again. They literally said there is no warning.

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It's also the fact that this game had so much fucking money put into it and yet couldn't square away something like that

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Ulti if you're gonna have to switch accounts just to talk to people in a topic maybe that should be the hint to not talk

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PostContestUlti posted...

Reviewers lied.

Again. They literally said there is no warning.

is it a lie if youre wrong because you didnt see the thing because youre not a weirdo who reads EULAs?
Do you actually think the reviewer read the EULA, saw the warning, and then decided to lie and say it wasnt there? Or is is such a uselessly non prominent warning that a totally reasonable reviewer didnt see it at all?

like good job, you caught them! The reviewer said something technically false, but dont pretend that the EULA warning invalidates their concerns.
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Full stop they should have had a warning. There is no excuse.

And just because the reviewers said 'no warning' and there is actually is one...in the EULA, is screaming "Haha loser, READ THE FINE PRINT" It's obvious what type of warning they were looking for, one that is visible.

And this is coming from a person who is ready to play this game the minute it unlocks tonight and considers The Witcher series as one of the best all-time in video games.

Having the lack of warning is...not even bizarre, it just a mind-numbing omission.


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PostContestUlti posted...

Reviewers lied.

Again. They literally said there is no warning.

Stop being stupid man. So many games have a seizure warning in the EULA. But it's usually just mild shit that if you have serious epilepsy issues, it can cause seizures.

This is well and beyond what any reasonable person with epilepsy could expect. Mine is extremely mild. Like if there are strobe lights flashing, I can usually just close my eyes and be alright, or at worst I just get sick (worst I've had it, I threw up after the fact). But I could not handle this bullshit they brought out.

Movie and game studios do checks for this stuff. CDPR didn't, clearly, because it is entirely over the top for what anyone who has epilepsy issues should ever expect in a game.

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Ulti if you're gonna have to switch accounts just to talk to people in a topic maybe that should be the hint to not talk

That's not why I'm on this account.

Take a wild guess why I would use this account while in the middle of writing a throwback PCA. You Discord people love to pretend you're hot shit, so I'm sure you can figure it out without further hints.

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Have we considered that she lied because she's a woman and they hate gamers

very curious if you ask me

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I cannot possibly be the only person here who actually reads end user license agreements. There is just no way.

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