Poll of the Day > Do you think trump wins re election?

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Still too early to tell. Dem field is still packed. Need to thin the herd and see who the true, viable candidates are, and if they can appeal to moderates they'll have a good chance of winning.

One thing is for sure, Trump's base is absolutely unshakable. He'll get a sizable chunk of the vote off his base alone, but again if he doesn't win over moderates he's dead in the water.

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Only if Biden is nominated or Russia interferes again.
Trump is a weak president being held up by the tech bubble, and was only elected because HRC was unelectable.

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It depends on who wins the primary and how they did so.

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No.

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Unsure hoping he doesn't

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Voted yes so folk can continue to be salty over not getting their own way. Although with that said that'll happen anyway so whatever the case I win.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Voted yes so folk can continue to be salty over not getting their own way. Although with that said that'll happen anyway so whatever the case I win.

at the end of the day youll still be you

how much of a victory is that really

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Mead posted...

at the end of the day youll still be you

how much of a victory is that really

The best victory I could hope for because that still makes me better than you. Although that's not exactly difficult to pull off.

https://i.imgur.com/ATmxDt5.mp4

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I thought impeachment precluded reelection

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cynicism says that he gets in easy but im a dummy so the fact that he barely made it in the first time and that his presidency definitly lost him more supporters than it has earned him makes me hopeful that as long as we end up with a candidate better than hillary he should fail
but if we get biden i really think we lose again

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wwinterj25 posted...

Voted yes so folk can continue to be salty over not getting their own way. Although with that said that'll happen anyway so whatever the case I win.

bruh you just posted cringe

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

bruh you just posted cringe

Cringe but true.

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very edgy

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

very edgy

Cringe AND edgy? That's a first for me. Thanks man.

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I doubt he will win but he still has a lot of support in swing states so I think its certainly possible

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Ill be honest and say that I wont be the least bit surprised if he does win again. He has a lot of support and this impeachment is just firing up his group more.

he may not get the popular vote, but we all know that wasnt necessary last time.

Yes, Joe Biden isn't going to beat him, and Biden is gonna be the one to run

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A research model that's been right since 1980 predicts Trump will win (although they were wrong in 2016)

https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/

Bottom line being the Democrats aren't currently enthusiastic enough about the candidates being pushed to get out and vote, along with Trump still being hugely popular with Republicans. A researcher says that the model might be wrong, because things are so different than the norm.

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maybe. I think a lot of people are complacent with the status quo right now

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I suppose it might be fun to see him be the most impeached president ever. I'm not sure it is worth the risk to see that happen.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Voted yes so folk can continue to be salty over not getting their own way.

The question is "do you think," not "do you want." Thinking it will happen requires some sort of basis for the prediction, not just saying you want to see a secondary outcome you expect will be associated with it.

That, and people are going to be salty no matter what happens. It'll just be different people.

Voted no, but its probably wishful thinking. I thought he had no chance in the first election.

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Judgmenl posted...

Only if Biden is nominated or Russia interferes again.

Trump would have an easier time against Sanders or Warren, who are basically a free pass. And
the "Russian Interference" was overblown.

Judgmenl posted...

Trump is a weak president being held up by the tech bubble, and was only elected because HRC was unelectable.

No, he was elected because we had 8 years of Obama, because of his celebrity status, and because Hillary ran a shitty campaign that skipped areas she didn't think she could win.

Yellow posted...

Bottom line being the Democrats aren't currently enthusiastic enough about the candidates being pushed (Biden, Harris) to get out and vote, along with Trump still being hugely popular with Republicans. A researcher says that the model might be wrong, because things are so different than the norm.

Harris isn't even running atm.

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Zeus posted...

No, he was elected because we had 8 years of Obama, because of his celebrity status, and because Hillary ran a shitty campaign that skipped areas she didn't think she could win.

Uh... He won because of his stance on trade and then Comey getting him over the line at the end.

Anyways, I think he has a better chance of winning than he has any right to, but he doesn't have the benefit of the doubt this time around. His staggering incompetence and the criminal methods of his administration are well known.

If the Democrats go with a corporate fuck like Joe Biden or Pete BootyJudge, absolutely. If they go with a populist like Bernie Sanders, absolutely not.

Yes, because the democrats didn't fix the underlying problem with their campaign and ideals. You can see it with how the democratic debates are unfolding right now. Namely that the democratic party is hyper-corrupt and self-gratifying with the singular goal of power and little caring for the people they claim to represent. They are literally pushing a man who is both corrupt and incapable as their leader in the hopes of gaining name recognition and power without actually addressing the issues that lead to Trump's election (things like the economy and international policy). Instead they're appealing to a far-left ideology that has them doing things like promising free universal health care to illegal immigrants when our own people don't even have that instead of dealing with things like how jobs keep getting exported overseas to third-world nations. If they realized this they'd probably ditch Biden ASAP in favor of a candidate whom expressed values that the more moderate, even republican, voters would agree with to try and shake Trump's grip on swing states and the like.

It's like saying you had to go out on a date with one of two guys and one guy, while a scumball, takes you out for lasertag and a nice meal at a decent restaurant while the other has terrible BO and wants to take you down to protest animal cruelty at the hotdog factory (you love hotdogs). Then you try for the second date and the first one offers you a trip to the amusement part while the second has refused to bath, is offering a date where you go down to scream for gay rights in front of your parents church, and is now furious at you and calling you a spiteful bigot because of your choice on the first date.

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CaptainStrong posted...

If the Democrats go with a corporate fuck like Joe Biden or Pete BootyJudge, absolutely. If they go with a populist like Bernie Sanders, absolutely not.

So in other words, yes.

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Hahahahaha, oh America.

Well, he sure as fuck hasn't made your country 'great' or 'again', so he really does deserve another run, don't you think? :')

The Democrats have been carrying the idiot ball with their interminable "impeachment" travesty , now refusing to send to send the Articles to the Senate, proving they have just been grandstanding for television time all along. As Bugs Bunny famously said, "What a bunch of maroons!"

The Democrats managed to lose the election in 2016 to a reality TV "personality" by finding an even worse candidate, I have confidence they will continue to sabotage themselves.

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Lokarin posted...

I thought impeachment precluded reelection

Well, to be fair, it seems very few people actually understand what impeachment means.

Judgmenl posted...

Trump was only elected because HRC was unelectable.

I tend to agree with this, which is why my expectations for the coming election swivel entirely on who the Democrats field. If they assume this is a slam dunk (which they may, because it's a mistake they've made before, and they never seem to learn from it), and that they can run pretty much anyone and win, they may fuck themselves over hard.

At least a few of the candidates currently in the running have very little chance of beating him, no matter how badly people may think he's going to lose. Dems need to be smart and field a candidate that won't alienate half the country.

There are certainly options that make a win for them likely. Whether or not they're competent enough to make that choice is in question. We'll see.
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paulisdabomb posted...

Hahahahaha, oh America.

Well, he sure as fuck hasn't made your country 'great' or 'again', so he really does deserve another run, don't you think? :')

At least he'll get another chance to build that wall of his

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dancer62 posted...

The Democrats have been carrying the idiot ball with their interminable "impeachment" travesty , now refusing to send to send the Articles to the Senate, proving they have just been grandstanding for television time all along.

This is what happens when you get your information from singular and/or biased sources.

Not defending the impeachment, but it looks like you missed the part where Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham said they were going to vote down the impeachment as quickly as possible, throwing any semblance of impartiality right out the window.

Pelosi delaying sending the articles to the Senate is a smart move in light of that fact. She maintains control over the proceedings, and as such control over talking points.

Republicans screwed up by saying what everyone knew was going to happen anyway. Why admit that you're not going to attempt a fair trial? Throughout this whole process the Republicans have been claiming it's unfair and partisan, then they throw out this hypocrisy and give the Dems a chance to make that same claim against the Republicans. Dumb on their part.

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After they fail to impeach him in the Senate, the Dems will have handed over the 2020 election to him. The conspiracy theorist in me believes this is just part of the plan, since no politician is out to help the people they represent. This will keep the nation divided and stupid as usual...an easy realm to rule over.

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dancer62 posted...

The Democrats have been carrying the idiot ball with their interminable "impeachment" travesty , now refusing to send to send the Articles to the Senate, proving they have just been grandstanding for television time all along. As Bugs Bunny famously said, "What a bunch of maroons!"

The Democrats managed to lose the election in 2016 to a reality TV "personality" by finding an even worse candidate, I have confidence they will continue to sabotage themselves.

It's kind of amazing to make a series of statements so objectively false.

Moscow Mitch publicly announced he was going to betray his oath of office.

While Hillary was a bad candidate she won by 3 million votes. Comeys letter a week before the election was the only reason she lost the electoral college.

Too early too tell but I hope he doesn't win reelection. He's done enough damage as is.

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unless you want to save the enviroment or something people have no reason not to vote for trump

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It depends on many things, but nobody has been able to explain to me how a guy who barely won the first time around, who now has way more people that hate him now than on election day, is somehow going to win. He won by the skin of his teeth and lost the PV by around 3 million. Are the midwest farmers being crushed right now going to vote for him? They may, I don't know, but that is one group at a bare minimum pissed off at trump, who liked him before.

argonautweakend posted...

It depends on many things, but nobody has been able to explain to me how a guy who barely won the first time around, who now has way more people that hate him now than on election day, is somehow going to win. He won by the skin of his teeth and lost the PV by around 3 million. Are the midwest farmers being crushed right now going to vote for him? They may, I don't know, but that is one group at a bare minimum pissed off at trump, who liked him before.

Actually, if you paid attention to what was unfolding, it wasn't a surprise that Trump won. The surprise was how much people were in denial over it. On the democrat side alone how the DNC treated Bernie and Hilarity's failure to campaign in certain places, not to mention things like the 'bag of deplorables' comment, really solidified her defeat. She was coasting on Obama's success and relying on being the 'right' candidate to effectively vault herself into office while ignoring the people who actually voted. California skews things immensely due to it's massive grip on the media, heavy left tilt, and high population in places like LA making the democrats seem far stronger than they actually are.

For this election the economy has gotten much healthier and, while Trump hasn't delivered on all his promises, he's made some major steps. Things like reworking the trade deals and the trade war with China will come massively into his favor especially in regards to the votes of the middle class while other things such as the DNC's inability to field a strong candidate, terrible treatment of Gabbard and Yang, and that impeachment, even if it works, is going to also going to utterly tank Biden's chances (especially since he's their frontrunner) is going to leave the DNC in such a weak position they're basically going to have to try to win by default. They've simply made a ton of gaffs such as promising free healthcare to illegal immigrants when not even american citizens have such things and stunts like Beto's campaigning in Mexico simply don't reflect well on the party as a whole (even if he's no longer in the running).

Basically, if the DNC wants to win, it needs to ditch Biden and possibly Bernie as well, field a candidate who can avoid seeming like they're a puppet, stupid, or caring only for far-left policies, shake off a lot of the corruption plaguing the party, and get its message focused on helping to improve America instead of screaming about things like how we're all going to die due to Climate Change and whatnot. Unfortunately I don't see that happening so I'm predicting a Trump win simply because the DNC can't get it's act together.

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To be more clear...

Here's the thing. The people who hate Trump are not going to vote for him no matter what. The DNC could field a bottle of water with a label of 'president' and get their votes. The problem is that they need to reach out to the people whose opinions could be swayed by Trump and attempt to sway them over to their side as well as focus on trying to campaign in areas where said people live. However the things that said people care about (economy, trade, etc) are things the DNC clearly has no interest in ATM and they'd rather focus on tightening their grip on their voterbase and focusing on fielding a candidate that would push party ideology more than anything. It's not that the DNC *couldn't* win, it has the tools, it's that it doesn't care to use them and is, instead, focusing on a needless defense.

Think of it like this. If this was Age of Empires II the DNC is a teuton player who is holed up in a small section of the map with thick walls but isn't trying to expand while Trump is a Goth player with access to the majority of the map. You could say Trump is a terrible player and is just relying on unit swarms, but so long as the DNC keeps holed up and relying on a vulnerable trade route, doesn't expand, and keeps struggling to deal with the siege, Trump's victory is inevitable.

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argonautweakend posted...

It depends on many things, but nobody has been able to explain to me how a guy who barely won the first time around, who now has way more people that hate him now than on election day, is somehow going to win. He won by the skin of his teeth and lost the PV by around 3 million. Are the midwest farmers being crushed right now going to vote for him? They may, I don't know, but that is one group at a bare minimum pissed off at trump, who liked him before.

Because incumbency is a thing. And the "people hate him more now" is mostly media spin.


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Zeus posted...

And the "people hate him more now" is mostly media spin.

the results of the 2018 midterms and the recent special elections where he supported candidates beg to differ

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Zeus posted...

Because incumbency is a thing. And the "people hate him more now" is mostly media spin.

nah. The majority of the country hates his orange guts.

WastelandCowboy posted...

nah. The majority of the country hates his orange guts.

I don't think that's really true. Especially since a lot of the people who 'hate' him are democrats who wouldn't have voted for Trump regardless of what he did during his first term.

Edit: To clarify, I suspect that, if we had a 100% voter turn-out but two candidates who were identical aside from which party they were a part of, you'd find at least 40% of the country wouldn't just refuse to vote for the other guy, but outright hate/despise them simply for being a member of the other party. America also suffers HEAVILY from Californiaization and it's no secret at all that a lot of both legacy and social media is found in the Cali cities. Combine those facts and you get a situation where it seems like everyone hates the Republican candidate regardless of how popular they actually are.

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But didnt he lose the popular vote? If so, wouldnt that mean most of the country doesnt like him?
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LinkPizza posted...

But didnt he lose the popular vote? If so, wouldnt that mean most of the country doesnt like him?

fortunately that isn't the sole factor in deciding the president. otherwise idiots would vote for the rock as a joke and elect him president...
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Yes.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

fortunately that isn't the sole factor in deciding the president. otherwise idiots would vote for the rock as a joke and elect him president...

What if a Republican you like won the popular vote and lost the electoral college? Would you still defend the electoral college then?

Itd be a shame if he didnt.

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