Board 8 > Star Wars Episode 9 Discussion SPOILERS

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Still a shithead

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RySenkari posted...

I loved Episode IX, but I totally understand why people hated it.

I would have loved to see more substance in the last space battle, but it was a teary eyed moment when the fleet showed up.

That said, I thought kylo was gonna bring the first order fleet to help the rebels tbqh.

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Watched ep 9 again today. Still awesome.
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Strangely I forgot about the epilepsy warning. I say strange because I usually cant stand that stuff, but it felt fine here.

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I had to unignore Timjab to see what he said and I was disappointed, it wasn't that interesting

I laughed at how the "holdo manuever" was straight up dismissed as preposterous in this movie.

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Roomate just came back from this and said it's like it wasn't even a movie. I don't know if I quite get what he means but he's about to try his damndest to explain it to me in just a bit, lol.

MichelBollinger posted...

Roomate just came back from this and said it's like it wasn't even a movie. I don't know if I quite get what he means but he's about to try his damndest to explain it to me in just a bit, lol.

he should have said "it's not even cinema" if he was trying to sound all smart like Scorcese here

OK so it was just that the first chunk of the movie is Abrams imaginary episode 8 and the rest is exclisively jacking off OT fans and doesn't stand on its own at all. IHO.

These are both things I have already heard. I mean that's still a movie technically....

MichelBollinger posted...

OK so it was just that the first chunk of the movie is Abrams imaginary episode 8 and the rest is exclisively jacking off OT fans and doesn't stand on its own at all. IHO.

These are both things I have already heard. I mean that's still a movie technically....

if you don't have the hottest take possible, is it even a take

Its largely my take too.

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Also, I hadn't worked on my Darths and Droids bingo card yet (https://www.darthsanddroids.net/bingo/Episode9/), someone help me.

I don't remember if any scene is a "clear visual echo of Episode VI". I mean, there were a lot of scenes on the second Death Star, but I'm not sure if that counts as a "visual echo". I don't know if I'm missing anything else.



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I think the scene in the ruined throne room clearly counts as a visual echo to episode VI

Events in space as seen from the planet should also be circled shouldn't it? Didn't they show something on Endor?

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I fucking love that "a yellow lightsaber" hit on the bingo card lol

imagine needing that one for a bingo and getting it at the VERY end of the movie

SavageInTheBox posted...

Rose got benched because she was a terrible character from a terrible movie

when has that ever stopped star wars before now

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wow can't believe Wedge isn't even circled clearly marked by a fake star wars fan

ninkendo posted...

Events in space as seen from the planet should also be circled shouldn't it? Didn't they show something on Endor?

Yeah the Ewoks watch the Star Destroyer get split in half (would've been pretty neat to see that happen...)
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Tom Bombadil posted...

when has that ever stopped star wars before now

They benched Jar Jar after Episode 1. I guess that's how they handle the terrible characters in terrible movies.

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I wasn't sure if the Star Destroyer scenes counted because I couldn't tell if they were supposed to be in space or in the upper atmosphere like in Rogue One.

Also, the Wedge box always seems to trip people up. It's based on a joke from the comic. It's not if Wedge himself appears, but a shapeshifter.

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This movie would've been better off if Snoke was still the big bad and awakened the spirit of Palpatine. And if the Knights of Ren did anything. I was expecting atleast a good fight between Ben and his former knights but it wasn't enough for me.

Rey should've fought them instead. She didn't have to fight Palpatine. Dude just force lightninig blasts people and doesn't have any other fighting abilities at his final stage. He can raise ten thousand star destroyers up though and manage to not destroy any ships in the final battle. I'm pretty sure they were just all floating in space from that attack. Put him in a Storm Trooper suit that's glow in the dark to sell toys. Palpatine is a bad GLaDOS.

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SwiftyDC posted...

I'm pretty sure they were just all floating in space from that attack.

They were falling towards the planet's surface, weren't they?

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Saw it tonight. Some pretty great stuff. Not as good as Force Awakens but they really kinda wrapped everything up nicely.

When Lando first showed up, before he revealed his face, I turned to my friend and whispered "That's totally Lando."

Hux being the mole took me by surprise and actually I don't really think it was ever explained why he "needed Kylo Ren to lose."

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Underleveled posted...

Hux being the mole took me by surprise and actually I don't really think it was ever explained why he "needed Kylo Ren to lose."

This is one thing that people have been bothered by that I wasn't

It makes complete sense to me that Hux is such a miserable, petty motherfucker that he would try to sabotage the whole operation just because he was being pissy at Kylo for taking over

I think they didn't do anything more than that brief betrayal with Hux because he's so thoroughly irredeemable - I think his being the spy was incapable of playing a larger role in the movie because he absolutely cannot and must not have a heroic moment because he's completely unforgivable. But as far as dumb plot conveniences go in this movie, and there were a lot of them, Hux betraying Kylo Ren in this one scene to let the heroes get by made perfect sense. It gave him something to do and there really wasn't anything more they could do.

Also I got a genuine laugh out of "I'M THE SPY"

I still think it's legitimately funny

I agree

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While I wasn't a fan of how they just killed off Hux, I'm not really sure what I really wanted them to do. Cramming even more into the movie probably isn't the greatest of ideas.
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They were in a tight corner with Hux. They couldn't have him be the main bad guy because he's too lame. They couldn't write him out of the movie because then people would be like, where's Hux??? And they couldn't have him do more because there was too much happening in this film to begin with. So this is what we got.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Also I got a genuine laugh out of "I'M THE SPY"

I still think it's legitimately funny

Oh I agree. This was like, Attack of the Clones-level delivery and it was kinda worth a chuckle.

As for his death, months ago I made a list of life/death predictions that turned out to be fairly accurate and I predicted that Hux would be "killed off unceremoniously."

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Idk I think you can reason out based on huxs past experiences with Kylo Ren that he 100% is extremely bitter towards him.

Also, I think it's reasonable to think that he was the spy like as soon as you see him in the war room scene.

Yeah the way Hux died was kinda dumb and just made his character pointless.

Also we didn't get a Luke/Ben scene. What the hell.

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Lopen posted...

I mean I haven't seen Skywalker yet but while I would say TLJ took more risks than TFA by merit of not being a carbon copy of ESB

It was a pretty clear copy of ESB tho

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TLJ took risks and burned the trilogy to the ground. Congrats! Difference between thinking outside the box and burning shit to the ground. Nobody in the executive team should have allowed anything like the "Holdo Maneuver" to ever even come into a Star Wars film. It was preposterous.

And, that's just one example.

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Holdo Maneuver Truthers: how you know to ignore somebody's SW opinions.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It was a pretty clear copy of ESB tho

Only in so far as having to follow a similar plot structure due to being Act 2 of the trilogy. Though TBH I never really understood why the sequel trilogy gets so much criticism for being the "same" as the original trilogy - to me that's like saying Con Air is the same movie as Die Hard. There are just a lot of similar occurrences, which may be deliberate to sell the concept of a generational saga. When you think about it, the prequels were no different.

That being said, I may just not have the original trilogy's plot ingrained enough into my mind to pick up on this. The Last Jedi was the one of the new trilogy where I did pick up on considerable similarities to the OT and I had just watched that.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Also I got a genuine laugh out of "I'M THE SPY"

I still think it's legitimately funny

A nice idea that ultimately meant nothing, just like the reveal of Rey's ancestry. This movie seems like it was specifically made to be as inconsequential as possible so as to piss off the fewest people possible, which is disappointing.

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Holdo Maneuver absolutely makes sense. Accelerating an object to super high speeds and smashing it into something else gave the exact result one might expect. It's very straightforward. The issue is that it's overpowered and the nerf it got in Ep9 comes off as a flimsy excuse.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Holdo Maneuver absolutely makes sense. Accelerating an object to super high speeds and smashing it into something else gave the exact result one might expect. It's very straightforward. The issue is that it's overpowered and the nerf it got in Ep9 comes off as a flimsy excuse.

It doesn't make sense because

1. Lightspeed travel probably shouldn't work whatsoever if the object is still tangible while doing it. It has to work in some other sort of way otherwise all the hyperspeed in Star Wars is weird in that you're basically inviting all sorts of assorted catastrophes when you use it, every time.
2. Assuming it does work, The Holdo Maneuver should be the basis of all space warfare-- star destroyers are no longer viable weapons because you can just have droids man smaller ships to ram into them to destroy them in one shot with minimal casualties.

Like it's less "ramming into something really fast doing damage doesn't make sense" and more "if hyperspeed is just traveling really fast and allows ramming things it breaks a lot of the lore in Star Wars"

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I think that now that Palpatine can "conjure" thousands of star destroyers from nothing all bets are off.

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"I don't agree with how this gels with the speed of light" says fan of series where light can stop in mid air and can both cut and block objects.

MichelBollinger posted...

"I don't agree with how this gels with the speed of light" says fan of series where light can stop in mid air and can both cut and block objects.

Did someone in this topic say that?

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I'm pretty sure star wars has introduced the concept of space lanes, which are pre-determined acceptable courses from which a ship can perform lightspeed travel, specifically to avoid any sort of mid-flight collisions. So you can really only use the holdo at very short distances, otherwise there's a good chance you bonk into some random asteroid or another passerby ship, especially in a dense dogfight.
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One small detail I liked is that when Rey is climbing up the DS2 wreckage, mirroring her scavenger origins, she seems to climb up the same shaft Palps fell down.

One Palpatine rising from the fall of a another.

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GANON1025 posted...

I think that now that Palpatine can "conjure" thousands of star destroyers from nothing all bets are off.

Apparently the supplemental book for the movie says that the sith cultists in his throne room at the end were building all of the ships for the past 30 years with slave labor. I thought those were supposed to be ghosts or something but apparently they were all real people.

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skullbone posted...

Apparently the supplemental book for the movie says that the sith cultists in his throne room at the end were building all of the ships for the past 30 years with slave labor. I thought those were supposed to be ghosts or something but apparently they were all real people.

where did they live

where did they get the slaves

how did they get the slaves there

did the slaves work underwater

what did they eat

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where did they come from

where did they go

where did they come from, Sith lord foes

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Also doesn't it take like, 10000 people to man a single star destroyer?

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Assuming these Star Destroyers with planet-busting weapons were as big as the biggest Imperial Star Destroyers:

Imperial I-class Star Destroyers had over 37,000 crew on board 9,235 officers and 27,850 enlisted personnel. The complement of 9,700 stormtroopersadded to a total of 46,785 crew and passengers.[1]With the bridge being located in the upper half of the ship, the officer's quarters were located right below it.[14]

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Saw it last night, haven't read the topic. Did not like it, felt like JJ Abrams was trying to undo everything TLJ did. I didn't like TLJ either, though.

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GANON1025 posted...

Also doesn't it take like, 10000 people to man a single star destroyer?

They specifically say they have to increase recruitment to crew all these star destroyers.
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ZenOfThunder posted...

where did they live

where did they get the slaves

how did they get the slaves there

did the slaves work underwater

what did they eat

Endor

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