Poll of the Day > Voting age should be moved to 25 and only 1 vote per married couple.

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Gays and lesbians get the automatic nationwide right to wed too. No votes unless you form a federally recognized family. No wedge issues can divide a family. Men and women will work together to form political stances that allocate thought to both genders and potentially many different races.

This is the superior system.
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this is a far shittier system
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Boobsicle posted...

Men and women will work together to form political stances that allocate thought to both genders and potentially many different races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDwFCoj-0js
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Direct democracy > representative democracy. As it stands now, a vote is like a wish. You hope it results in what you want, but you're really not sure if it'll do any good because most of the time it doesn't seem to matter. Politicians just try to appease their friends and get re-elected, and there's really no accountability because they're (typically) equally shitty. With a direct democracy, there's more red tape by way of referendums and the like, but there's much less of an impact by big government and places have more local authority right down to the municipality. Obviously you would still want certain issues being mandated federally, but most things don't need to be handled that way and are anyway.
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I imagine we would move away from 45% of headlines being about fringe issues that affect less than 1% of people (Im looking at you Transgender rights) and more to issues that people actually are affected by.
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Boobsicle posted...

I imagine we would move away from 45% of headlines being about fringe issues that affect less than 1% of people (Im looking at you Transgender rights) and more to issues that people actually are affected by.

The fringes control the media, more or less. Either directly by being involved in it or indirectly by making outrageous "offended!" or "triggered!" claims.
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Only people with land or children should be allowed to vote. This way only the people with future stakes in the country will vote with the future in mind. Unlike these days where everything is about the short term.

That's just a way to nullify young people's and submissive partners' votes.

Baardmeester posted...

Only people with land or children should be allowed to vote. This way only the people with future stakes in the country will vote with the future in mind. Unlike these days where everything is about the short term.

I'm pretty sure that's how the US started off, and I think we got rid of it because it was just a way for the rich to oppress the poor.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Direct democracy > representative democracy.

That makes far too much sense. Not manipulatable enough by public officials. We can't insert rounding errors into that. Out with you.
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Yellow posted...

Baardmeester posted...

Only people with land or children should be allowed to vote. This way only the people with future stakes in the country will vote with the future in mind. Unlike these days where everything is about the short term.

I'm pretty sure that's how the US started off, and I think we got rid of it because it was just a way for the rich to oppress the poor.

It's actually how democracy started off.
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This would be worse than the electoral college which is already absolutely terrible.
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#EndWomensSuffrageNow
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Boobsicle posted...

No votes unless you form a federally recognized family.

I was with you until you until this point.

The current system fucks single people badly enough without needing to further marginalize them.


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Blasted_Fury posted...

this is a far shittier system

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this is a stupid topic
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End voting, the Philosopher King shall deliver us all if we only accept his wisdom.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

this is a stupid topic

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Only if ineligible voters aren't taxed.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Direct democracy > representative democracy.

Direct Democracy might be the only kind of voting system worse than what we have right now.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Direct democracy > representative democracy. As it stands now, a vote is like a wish. You hope it results in what you want, but you're really not sure if it'll do any good because most of the time it doesn't seem to matter. Politicians just try to appease their friends and get re-elected, and there's really no accountability because they're (typically) equally shitty. With a direct democracy, there's more red tape by way of referendums and the like, but there's much less of an impact by big government and places have more local authority right down to the municipality. Obviously you would still want certain issues being mandated federally, but most things don't need to be handled that way and are anyway.

See the trouble with this is, we're dealing with massive idiots. You bring this up and idiots will say "But without the electoral college, states like California will decide the election!" and then you won't get anywhere with this person. There are two ways to go:

first, point out that no states would decide an election, because states wouldn't vote, individuals would. This will either get no response or continued claims that certain states will decide elections.

second, point out that right now, unless you live in a swing state your vote doesnt matter, as only people tin those states have any effect on things. This will result in some entirely absurd but unpredictable response.
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You have no voice unless you actively participate in society through building a family.

Pass. That is old fashioned. There is no reason to make a family in this age. We should actually be moving in the opposite direction.

This is so unconstitutional that only a Canadian could think this up.
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how this topic has that many legit responses is beyond me lol

stay PotD
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Everyone is going to convert to Mormon Cults and turn their women into property. Who is going to stop it when only the men get to vote?

FatalAccident posted...

how this topic has that many legit responses is beyond me lol

Sometimes responding seriously to troll topics is fun. Why do people like you have to try to suck the fun out of everything?

The day AI makes politicians obsolete is the day i'm truly happy with society.
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Because of the electoral college there are people who don't even bother voting.

It's just a loophole to manipulate voters. Because of "complex reasons". You're thinking too simply, it doesn't matter because my reason is more complicated.

"X party would win too much!" yeah that's basically democracy. We live in the age of the internet, things can be much more streamlined.

Boobsicle posted...

Gays and lesbians get the automatic nationwide right to wed too. No votes unless you form a federally recognized family. No wedge issues can divide a family. Men and women will work together to form political stances that allocate thought to both genders and potentially many different races.

This is the superior system.

if you are speaking of the U.S. gays already have nationwide right to wed. if talking world wide ok then.
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Yellow posted...

Because of the electoral college there are people who don't even bother voting.

It's just a loophole to manipulate voters. Because of "complex reasons". You're thinking too simply, it doesn't matter because my reason is more complicated.

"X party would win too much!" yeah that's basically democracy. We live in the age of the internet, things can be much more streamlined.

yeah if you took away the electoral college basically 3 cities would rule this country. and thats simply not fair as they don't give a damn about the needs or wants of other areas in the country. and true democracy is basically mob rule which can end horribly especially for minorities.
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Yeah, but at the same time it's pretty dumb because in half of our states there's literally no reason to vote, which kind of defeats the purpose of democracy.

31 states haven't voted differently since 1992, meaning there's basically no point in voting for presidential elections in those states. And I know people who literally don't even vote because of this (and why would you even waste your time), so even our popular vote numbers are completely skewed.

There are what, 12 swing states? Twelve places in the country that are given the privilege to vote for the underdog party.

Yellow posted...

Yeah, but at the same time it's pretty dumb because in half of our states there's literally no reason to vote, which kind of defeats the purpose of democracy.

31 states haven't voted differently since 1992, meaning there's basically no point in voting for presidential elections in those states. And I know people who literally don't even vote because of this (and why would you even waste your time), so even our popular vote numbers are completely skewed.

There are what, 12 swing states? Twelve places in the country that are given the privilege to vote for the underdog party.

actually the only state I see not having much reason to vote is alaska as the election is usually done decided by the time we get around to tallying up their votes. not voting because your state has never changed is just fucking stupid. "oh we've never won before so why try" you know what that means? you'll still never change anything. this last election should prove that as some states that had never gone red did. and NC used to not be considered a swing state but it is now.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

not voting because your state has never changed is just fucking stupid.

I mean, is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

Yellow posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

not voting because your state has never changed is just fucking stupid.

I mean, is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

its basically giving up. and if you give up you'll never win. also I feel those who don't vote have no right to bitch about anything politics wise. I feel that voting is mostly pointless but I do it anyways say I can say I at least tried
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mooreandrew58 posted...

its basically giving up. and if you give up you'll never win. also I feel those who don't vote have no right to bitch about anything politics wise. I feel that voting is mostly pointless but I do it anyways say I can say I at least tried

Well sometimes trying is as good as not trying when what you're doing is literally statistically impossible.

The whole point is that it's literally pointless whether they try or not. If everyone went out and voted their votes would still just be thrown in the trash as rounding errors.

I for one am lucky enough to live in a swing state, so I vote. If you lived in Alabama and you voted, you might as well just call it "protest for your lack of a vote". In a way I can respect that, but it's still not a vote.

People who use their vote in Alabama to protest also lose the opportunity to register as a Republican and make a difference in candidate elections.

Yellow posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

its basically giving up. and if you give up you'll never win. also I feel those who don't vote have no right to bitch about anything politics wise. I feel that voting is mostly pointless but I do it anyways say I can say I at least tried

Well sometimes trying is as good as not trying when what you're doing is literally statistically impossible.

The whole point is that it's literally pointless whether they try or not. If everyone went out and voted their votes would still just be thrown in the trash as rounding errors.

I for one am lucky enough to live in a swing state, so I vote. If you lived in Alabama and you voted, you might as well just call it "protest for your lack of a vote". In a way I can respect that, but it's still not a vote.

People who use their vote in Alabama to protest also lose the opportunity to register as a Republican and make a difference in candidate elections.

always best to register independent/unaffiliated. if say you register republican and your towns mayor is up for election and its only democrats running you can't vote on it.
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Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.
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WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right
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mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.
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WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.

well to be more specific. I feel the only education that would be important is history, and government based classes. understanding how the government works and understanding the world in general is what would be important to me
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mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.

well to be more specific. I feel the only education that would be important is history, and government based classes. understanding how the government works and understanding the world in general is what would be important to me

Sure, if they taught that shit. There's a comical and deliberate level of withheld information in the education system. The fact that there's not even a basic law class in high schools, nor a class related to handling things like how to deal with mortgages, con artists, household maintenance, etc. is ridiculous.

I look back at school and it's absolutely laughable at how worthless so much of it was. K through 6 is relevant for social skills and the basics, but beyond that is pretty much a joke. Far too much garbage, and so many classes that should exist, but don't.
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WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.

well to be more specific. I feel the only education that would be important is history, and government based classes. understanding how the government works and understanding the world in general is what would be important to me

Sure, if they taught that shit. There's a comical and deliberate level of withheld information in the education system. The fact that there's not even a basic law class in high schools, nor a class related to handling things like how to deal with mortgages, con artists, household maintenance, etc. is ridiculous.

I look back at school and it's absolutely laughable at how worthless so much of it was. K through 6 is relevant for social skills and the basics, but beyond that is pretty much a joke. Far too much garbage, and so many classes that should exist, but don't.

I agree, I think they should also teach basic survival skills, how to grow your own food, how to catch your own food etc. chances are you won't need it in life, but if you do it could be a literal life saver.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.

well to be more specific. I feel the only education that would be important is history, and government based classes. understanding how the government works and understanding the world in general is what would be important to me

Sure, if they taught that shit. There's a comical and deliberate level of withheld information in the education system. The fact that there's not even a basic law class in high schools, nor a class related to handling things like how to deal with mortgages, con artists, household maintenance, etc. is ridiculous.

I look back at school and it's absolutely laughable at how worthless so much of it was. K through 6 is relevant for social skills and the basics, but beyond that is pretty much a joke. Far too much garbage, and so many classes that should exist, but don't.

I agree, I think they should also teach basic survival skills, how to grow your own food, how to catch your own food etc. chances are you won't need it in life, but if you do it could be a literal life saver.

Would be a far better investment than reading "Of Mice and Men", then writing some bullshit about it.
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WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Fuck that. The younger you are, the bigger the stake you have in the future. The voting age should be lowered to 13.

i'd say education is more important than age when it comes to voting rights but somehow people would claim thats racists.

what I will say is former criminals shouldn't be allowed, unless they've gone say a decade with a clean record then maybe they should be able to re apply to gain back the right

Education is important, but it's not taken into consideration at all, so it's a moot point. Whether you're a logical person who believes in science, or falls for superstitious bullshit, you still have the same voting power.

well to be more specific. I feel the only education that would be important is history, and government based classes. understanding how the government works and understanding the world in general is what would be important to me

Sure, if they taught that shit. There's a comical and deliberate level of withheld information in the education system. The fact that there's not even a basic law class in high schools, nor a class related to handling things like how to deal with mortgages, con artists, household maintenance, etc. is ridiculous.

I look back at school and it's absolutely laughable at how worthless so much of it was. K through 6 is relevant for social skills and the basics, but beyond that is pretty much a joke. Far too much garbage, and so many classes that should exist, but don't.

I agree, I think they should also teach basic survival skills, how to grow your own food, how to catch your own food etc. chances are you won't need it in life, but if you do it could be a literal life saver.

Would be a far better investment than reading "Of Mice and Men", then writing some bullshit about it.

still don't understand why that story is so important. and I hate analysis type of questions. "why did the author make the curtains blue" to represent he was depressed.... or idk he just wanted them to be fucking blue and felt like describing the background scenery.
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It's really not important at all. The more you've been around people desperately clinging to old media and bullshit like that, the more you realize that it's just old people trying to push their childhood onto you.

It's a similar concept to wine and art snobs, going on about nonsense, pretending they've figured out some deeper meaning bullshit.
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