Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - The lone wolf dies... (SPOILERS)

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No, Sandor has moved far beyond Cleganebowl and he was never just about that.

Doesn't mean it won't be fucking incredible though. I can't think of a single thing I'm more hyped for than Cleganebowl if it happens.
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The Hound is the last character to not be fucked up by the show. He doesn't need the Cleganebowl, but we do.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

No, Sandor has moved far beyond Cleganebowl and he was never just about that.

Doesn't mean it won't be fucking incredible though. I can't think of a single thing I'm more hyped for than Cleganebowl if it happens.

I never said he was JUST about that. His growth as a character from the beginning until now makes him even more suited than he ever was to take his brother down once and for all. Sandor, since his flight from the Blackwater, has basically been about begrudgingly redeeming himself.

Once he decides to slay the mountain it will be full on acceptance of his redemption. And it'll be perfect. He needs it.

We need it.

Cleganebowl.avi
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UltimaterializerX posted...

There is literally no chance Sandor wins that fight. Nor should he.

I think in the books, Jaime ranks the Cleganes as two of the only people in Westeros he wouldn't voluntarily fight.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

There is literally no chance Sandor wins that fight. Nor should he.

It will be one of the most satisfying things we get to see in the show. All the pain of watching Oberyn fail will be made worth it.
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Hound can defeat Mountain. Quicker and almost as strong. Mah dawg's got this.
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it's unclear that the undead mountain is any more effective of a fighter than he was when he was alive. he was held to a standstill by sandor then, and beaten soundly by the red viper.
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Is Ghost still alive? Bran's died with Hodor... but I forget when we last saw Ghost.
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oh god the salt on Twitter about Euron being able to solo two sand snakes is glorious and delicious.

I want Euron and Cersei to beat Dany and Jon, and then Euron to betray Cersei and just rule all of Westeros on his own.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

oh god the salt on Twitter about Euron being able to solo two sand snakes is glorious and delicious.

I want Euron and Cersei to beat Dany and Jon, and then Euron to betray Cersei and just rule all of Westeros on his own.

Srsly WWE enthusiasts, please put up Euron titantron!
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I liked how Jon left Winterfell as soon as Arya found out that's where he was.

Also Jon could receive ravens all the way from Oldtown and Dragonstone, but couldn't get one from the Wall in the same timeframe telling him "oh hey you're brother's alive, surprise". That's not a real complaint, just something I thought was odd.
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Euron's Entrance



Reek's Exit


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Johnbobb posted...

Can we just talk about the pus scab transition into the pot pie?

I lost my shit over that

I commented on it in Discord

Amazing cut
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I really hate that they merged Euron into Victarion. It really makes him way less cool if he's just the kind of brute that Victarion is.

Also, @Extha no way VictariEuron can take Obara on land tho. He had the home deck advantage. No wonder Whipwick died though, what a dumb weapon to use on a pirate ship.

Also can't believe they wasted that much time on the Grey WormxMissandei scene. Like, that scene only needed to exist so we could Nathalie Emmanuel booty and boobies. Once those were there, scene could've been over. What a useless romance.

Arya x Nymeria was pretty sad.

Hyped for JonxDany.

Where the hell is Bran! How is he not at Winterfell yet. I know the show is playing with timelines but come on, let's have another Stark reunion!
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Does anyone buy into the Daario = Euron fan theory? I kind of do.

They just conveniently completely dropped Daario right before Euron becomes major in the show.
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Also, it wouldn't surprise me if "good gurl bad posay" Sand Snake is an actual Snake, ie working for Cersei/Euron. It would fit with her book character and maybe she did it to keep her mother alive or something. It would also explain how Euron knew to attack the ships and what ship to attack. I mean, she might've been kept alive as a fucktoy but it would explain why she's the only Sand Snake to survive.

Because as crazy as VictariEuron is, I would assume he has enough Euron in him to not have been insane enough to attack Dragonstone where there are 3 dragons.
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Menji posted...

Is Ghost still alive? Bran's died with Hodor... but I forget when we last saw Ghost.

We haven't seen him this season. Yes, he's still alive, though.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Does anyone buy into the Daario = Euron fan theory? I kind of do.

Nah, I doubt it. Would be cool, but too unlike D&D, I think. Daario really is as bland as he's been written. The most we'll get from that guy is a sudden "save the day" scene before the end, if that.

And lol at people getting "salty" over Greyjoy ownage.
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RyoCaliente posted...

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if "good gurl bad posay" Sand Snake is an actual Snake, ie working for Cersei/Euron. It would fit with her book character and maybe she did it to keep her mother alive or something. It would also explain how Euron knew to attack the ships and what ship to attack. I mean, she might've been kept alive as a fucktoy but it would explain why she's the only Sand Snake to survive.

Because as crazy as VictariEuron is, I would assume he has enough Euron in him to not have been insane enough to attack Dragonstone where there are 3 dragons.

Eh, I predict Tyene is just... Tyene. She will live just long enough for Cersei to kill her in front of her own mother. And then Cersei will kill Ellaria, too.
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I think one thing that bugged me about the Euron fight was at one point (early on I think, before he even engaged the Sand Snakes) it looked like (to me) that he took an arrow to the neck.

and i'm sorry but there's no recovering from that, you don't just rip it out and fight through a melee

I'm assuming it had to be something else (I mean, would anyone even be using arrows?) because otherwise forget plot armor

dude would have plot skin
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xp1337 posted...

I think one thing that bugged me about the Euron fight was at one point (early on I think, before he even engaged the Sand Snakes) it looked like (to me) that he took an arrow to the neck.

and i'm sorry but there's no recovering from that, you don't just rip it out and fight through a melee

I'm assuming it had to be something else (I mean, would anyone even be using arrows?) because otherwise forget plot armor

dude would have plot skin

I thought the same thing but it looks like it was just the sand snakes whip wrapping around his neck.
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That's why I said early on. I know later on there's a part where it very much has to be a Sand Snake whip, but I'm pretty sure there's a shot earlier on. Unless it was incidental or something and they didn't fight until a bit later.
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Just did a quick rewatch. First neck attack is def. The whip wrapping around his neck.
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Ah, my mistake then. Though admittedly I suppose nothing else would make that much sense.
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Euron is that "lvl ??" douchebag that PvP farms lower-level players. They probably didn't even scratch his HP bar

Theon did the sensible thing by just logging out till he goes away
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I don't get how they didn't see Eurons fleet until he was right on top of them. But I guess Yara and crew were doomed the moment they left the iron islands anyways. When your entire country cares more about raping and killing for no reason than food and family, you're screwed.

They probably should've mentioned that bit to Tyrion when they were coming up with this plan... All it would've taken was a single dragon as escort. But I guess they need a way to make Cersei actually a viable villain even though she has practically nothing.

I do like the foreshadowing of Olenna telling Dany to burn everything down, which she will definitely do now that the fleet is gone.
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that theon moment is the highlight of the episode

and the season

lmao theon
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Queen of the Ashes after all.
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Oh and we get a eunuch going down on what's her face, but we couldn't get a little scissor action? Thanks for that, Euron.
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foolm0r0n posted...

I do like the foreshadowing of Olenna telling Dany to burn everything down, which she will definitely do now that the fleet is gone.

Daenerys: [4. Burn them all.]
(Dark Side Points +50)
(Olenna approves +20)
(Tyrion disapproves -15)
(Varys disapproves -50)
(Varys has left the party)
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That was quite possibly your best post ever
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Varys wouldn't disapprove, he doesn't give a shit about the people, that was just typical fluff that he's been using to stay in good favor with all the rulers
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And chance Varys will see Jon as "better for the people" when he comes to Dragonstone? Probably not because Dany is the best (sarcasm).
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I'm disappointed that Varys didn't point out that he tipped off Jorah. But I'm really happy that that conversation happened. Same deal Tyrion outing Ellaria as a child-poisoner (really, Dany allowing a child-poisoner on her team is... suspect). Lots of good airing of grievances there.
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Jeff Zero posted...

That was quite possibly your best post ever

thanks

foolm0r0n posted...

Varys wouldn't disapprove, he doesn't give a shit about the people, that was just typical fluff that he's been using to stay in good favor with all the rulers

I actually believe him here. He might be lying about the whole "not scheme" bit he promised to, but I take his motives at face value here.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

And chance Varys will see Jon as "better for the people" when he comes to Dragonstone? Probably not because Dany is the best (sarcasm).

Only if Daenerys commits to "burn King's Landing/Queen of the Ashes" I could see Varys seeing Jon as the better option.

It's possible Daenerys extracting that promise from him will be paid off by him scheming for Jon but I'd give it better-than-even odds it was just supposed to be a scene where we're supposed to think Daenerys is being wise for seeing Varys's nature and getting him to tell her about mistakes she makes. (the real test will be when/if he does and how she reacts)
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There's no chance Varys isn't telling the truth. He was written differently after about midway into the third season. From the moment he had that scene with Shae in 3x10 urging her to leave Westeros because he believed in Tyrion's potential and she was a complication, he's been consistently illustrated as a Man of the People, For the People. It's somewhat at-odds with the tone of certain earlier-series scenes, and aye, sure, he still bears his fangs on occasion (see: his sixth-season scene with Vala). It is absolutely at-odds with his book depiction. But it's who he is.
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book-varys is allegedly team-smallfolk as well, but is pretty clearly happy to sacrifice tens of thousands of lives for his purposes
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SeabassDebeste posted...

book-varys is allegedly team-smallfolk as well, but is pretty clearly happy to sacrifice tens of thousands of lives for his purposes

Haha, yeah, true. I guess it isn't at-odds in essence with his probable book goals. More... uh... wildly different levels of Machiavellian approach. Book Varys seems to believe in whatever it takes to achieve an actionable peace; whoever's left in the aftermath will have a better life for it.
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In fairness, I don't really mind the more kindhearted Varys of the show. But he does seem a little toothless now. Book-Varys is shrouded in mystery and menace.

... largely because we will almost certainly never find out more about him. TWOW is confirmed not out in 2017, and GRRM hinted that it wouldn't be out in 2018, either. LOL.
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The thing is I don't believe Book!Varys, I think he's at best buying into his own lies about it. At worst, it plays into some fan theories about his motives.

But that's the book.

With only 11-ish episodes left and the plots they still have to resolve I don't know if they really want to waste time with "Varys was playing a con game all along!" Though admittedly I guess it wouldn't take too much time to do that. Do it well, on the other hand? Less sure about that.
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oh, there's a zero percent chance that varys is not genuine in the show. no seemingly good character has actually been bad in the show - the whitewashing is probably most notable in tyrion and varys - and weirdly, cersei
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I like Varys in the show more than the books, and that's probably because of the actor. In the books he came off as more creepy, to me.
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Oh, Varys is played wonderfully. One of the best performances in the whole show IMO.
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Didn't GGRM originally say he'd have the next book out before season 6?
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Anagram posted...

Didn't GGRM originally say he'd have the next book out before season 6?

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/6opoh5/spoilers_extended_on_this_day_ten_years_ago_grrms
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Anagram posted...

Didn't GGRM originally say he'd have the next book out before season 6?

lol
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also via reddit:

http://imgur.com/a/fqmCR

check out dat axe
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Oh, I rather enjoy Show Varys, too. There are actually a lot of things I prefer about the show, despite mourning the inevitable overall loss of world richness in the transfer.

Conleth Hill is fantastic, yeah.
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