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It was okay, but I can tell too many people wanted it to be like Friends, instead of its own thing.
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wg64Z posted...

Ross is one of the only responsible ones, and the only person to sack up when something needs to get done that nobody wants to do. They don't deserve Ross.

They were on a break

>_>

<_<
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Chandler > Joey > Phoebe >> Rachel >= Ross > Monica
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Nanis23 posted...

Sans and Draven so high
Fuck the registered voters, what did they try to accomplish with this?

To be fair, winning a GameFAQs contest is worth a lot more on this site than their games ever would.
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I remember in my analysis for that match I called Fire Emblem a 5th tier Nintendo series, but then I called WWF No Mercy a 5th tier Nintendo 64 game which is why PoR would win.

Didn't expect that big of a blowout though.
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It was 2961616

So among the gurus it was @PSI_NESS who got closest, just edging out @DoctorJimmy133 by 9k.
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I vaguely remember reading about that a while ago. I thought they could only trademark Winnie the Pooh that was created by Disney (ie one with a red shirt and any personality traits given by Disney). Not too sure about the name.

Regardless, eventually even Disney is going to struggle to trademark every single character ever used in their media.
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Safer_777 posted...

I never understood this copyright thing. I thought if someone made a work it would be his and after his death his family or stuff like that would be theirs for ever too.
Are you telling me that in 15 years Superman will be in public domain? Because I doubt it.

Not exactly, because he is likely trademarked on most things. It's the same for Mickey Mouse, the issue isn't him for Disney, it's all of the other characters that would soon become available in the public domain.
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CJayC never did remove votes in Melee/Starcraft. Overall he found around 650 cheated votes though was exhausted and stopped looking. He also debated on entirely removing a 3000 vote block which Starcraft won ~2050-950.
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Sorry Han, it's been a long day, can you please rephrase that post... why am I sad person? Do you think most people actively do good deeds to be classified as good?
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It's a difficult question to answer, is going once to a soup kitchen good enough? How about 10 times? You also have to take into account that those same people also do bad stuff. Regardless, it is a minority of people that volunteer regularly, most people are too busy with their lives.

Wanting to do good without actually doing it is relatively meaningless, at best it's a slight positive. You don't need to do big things, even small things are important, but you need to do it. Same thing with people with evil thoughts that don't act upon them.

If I had to chose whether the average person is good or evil I would say we're good, but on a +1 to -1 good/evil scale I'd argue we're a +0.2-0.3 which to me is neutral.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

If that's your argument, then feel free not to respond anymore. Nothing you have said has been worthwhile anyway.

I mean you think the majority (or at least plurality) of people are actively doing enough (non-selfish) good to warrant being classified as good, I just don't see that...
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The distinguishing of good neutral to me is how much you care for others. Good people want the world to be a better place - tip more, vote in ways they think help society, assist others in community groups, etc... even if you dont have a lot of impact, wanting better for other people (and not doing things to make things worse for others) makes you good, to me.

Neutral I see as apathy. A lawful neutral person fits into their spot in society, but cares considerably more about themselves than others (good people prioritize themselves too, but put more effort into others). While a neutral person may tip, vote, etc do things to make society a better place, if it's from the realm of wanting life to be better for themselves and not really caring about others so much, then that trends neutral.

While I still believe you are diluting good a bit, a lot more people fit in the later group so at this point my argument would be that you don't have a proper view of the world.
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SMB3 > LoZ was the most obvious choice for the final LoZ 4 to be missed. Maybe Wind Waker because there were more options for it to lose.
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Lawful neutral, as would any social animal group.

Maybe true neutral...
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No, the average human (along with any social animal for that matter) is lawful neutral. Neutral loses all meaning if you dilute good that much.
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Nah, that was just what Melee fans went with because they were so upset. On paper what Majora's Mask did to Pokemon GSC and Wind Waker was enough to win the contest.
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Yeah, there's a lot of hypocrites in the world
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It also helped Link that most of the board didn't believe Nintendo/Mega Man SFF at the time, it took until 2005 before it was accepted
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I still expect GotD 2 to be great, you can have a great contest with a dominant entrant.
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https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/08/23

Scorpion/Pac-Man was on August 22nd so it was a day late...
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Scorpion/Pac-Man was an upset win, even after Pac-Man's underperformance and Scorpion destroying Max Payne most people still believed he would win.

The match was notable in that it marked the point where the rest of the internet noticed there was a contest occurring on GameFAQs. Though the Penny Arcade comic came too late for Pac-Man it and other sites were responsible for the jump in vote totals we saw starting with Link/Jill Valentine.
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Melee would have lost by more if the match was 24 hours. Just like how KH2 used the ASV to defeat Kingdom Hearts
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Brawl > Melee was a good result because Melee fans would have never shut up over it if it won. Imagine Mario > Samus 2005, but worse.
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No, any games that would get close are also Nintendo games.

I guess a rally is possible.
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Simon Belmont > Crono for me.
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Sora and Riku also did quite well with KH2 while Kairi and Axel were okay too.
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Lopen posted...

There are other factors to consider in Ganondorf vs Luigi r2/r3 than just Bacondorf in that contest. The size of the vote to draw matters a lot. Ganondorf is going to crumble harder the tougher his competition gets because of the nature of his leechy fanbase. I'd blame GAME FUEL Master Chief shrinking their combined portion of the vote from 60 to 45 more than Bacon there.

Sonic/Ganondorf also suggested around a 4% shift. Again Pig Ganon isn't a huge factor like Solid **** or Lawyer Vincent or Maskless Joker.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well yeah, but Ganondorf isn't popular because of Ganon, just like Snake isn't popular because of Metal Gear 1 or 2.

To be fair, no one played/cared about the original Metal Gear games

Ganon is more like Zero Suit Samus
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Pig Ganon is a disadvantage, but it's also a fair picture. It's not like it's an obscure costume or reference. Link to the Past is literally a top 5 game on this site. The original Legend of Zelda also has a high playrate.
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I did the math back in 2013, and that rally was very beatable next round which is why very few people went for the upset. In a match between X, Ryu and Draven almost no one on GameFAQs was going to vote Draven and around 9k votes isn't going to be enough to win.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

swirIdude posted...

Bold of you to say that just after he was announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Do you try to be this wrong or is that just your nature?

I wasn't aware of the announcement, because: A) who cares about a complete rehash of Smash 4 and B) who cares about Persona?

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/18/18146266/super-smash-bros-ultimate-sales-nintendo-switch

This performance should receive an additional boost from the December release of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate game, which has become not only the fastest-selling Nintendo Switch game of all time, but also the fastest-selling game in the Super Smash Bros. series, Nintendo stated. The game has sold over 3 million copies in 11 days, based on Nintendos own numbers.

I know this is OldManFAQs, but come on...
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I think we would have to go against what's done in Ultimate and only use one version of each person. So a Goomba is a Goomba (unless it's a specific named Goomba).

Though I can see exceptions like Baby Mario should be its own spirit as he appears alongside Mario in games, even if they are supposedly the same person.

Though what about people like Mr. L and Black Knight who are Luigi and Zelgius. Or Mega forms of Pokemon as they revert back to their usual self after a battle.
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hombad46 posted...

Does it have to be named characters or do generic enemies count?

Edit: One representative per species unless there are named examples like Goombario

Generics count.

In terms of cases like Pokemon trainers I would go by unique sprites since there isn't really anything that differentiates them or else we'll have a bunch of bug catchers that are only there because they had names.
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Phoenix Wright

If you want to include the villains contest then Dr. Robotnik.
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Let's say Nintendo went overboard and added every single character they created and still own (plus the series from the 3rd party representatives) as a spirit. How many do you think there would be?
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hombad46 posted...

How about the weakest that has won a match? Not counting Draven

Serious Sam
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Magikarp. I don't think anyone that's been in a contest before could break 36% on Mega Man.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Reading through these, is the consensus that 2005 was the best contest? It's certainly my personal favourite

In terms of character battles I think it comes down between 2003 and 2005 for most people here (likely on which results they liked better). 2007 was pretty good too if you were fine with L-Block. 2010 deserves some mention, but day/night matches kind of killed it from being the best ever.

While 2002 was new and exciting, the first two rounds were quite forgettable. 2004 had too many SFF matches plus a company cap, 2006 had the female bracket, 2008 didn't feel fresh, 2013 had too much rallying and by 2018 trends no longer exist and for us contest vets we don't have as much free time anymore because we aren't teenagers.
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Still reading the topic...

LeonhartFour posted...

I don't think ANYONE saw GoldenEye coming though.

I did, I even got its placing correct. My strategy was to use the seeding from the games contest.

Sadly that meant I did not have LttP in the top 10.
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In the unadjusted stats, Mewtwo doing so well gave Chester a boost.
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Advokaiser posted...

Guys, this may have been discussed before, but...

Finally, the long-awaited question: Assuming 2013 Draven = 2018 Draven, how much does 2018 Link put on 2013's weakest character?

Using unadjusted stats 2018 Link gets 99.65% against 2013 Spring Breeze Dancin' through Draven.
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Yeah it more has to do with running a business in the public eye than just playing video games.
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There's not too much space between Bowser and Vivi.

Also was Ganondorf just made equal to MMX or was there a reason for the adjustment of division 1?
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Congrats and thanks for the special thanks.
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charmander6000 posted...

I still think it's funny that a neutral wouldn't hold Nintendo in high regard, they are by far the largest company in gaming. It would be like wondering why Disney does so well in a movies contest.

"By far the largest" is very debatable. The way that largest company of any description is figured out is usually by revenue, and in that respect Nintendo is nowhere close to someone like Activision Blizzard or Sony.

Nintendo is still larger than Activision Blizzard by revenue while Sony has more than just gaming, it would be like arguing that Microsoft is the largest company.
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I still think it's funny that a neutral wouldn't hold Nintendo in high regard, they are by far the largest company in gaming. It would be like wondering why Disney does so well in a movies contest.
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I'm mostly neutral on fictional characters, mostly because I doubt they would overrun the bracket. In the end this is a video game website and whether Isaac is the fodderline or Harry Potter it doesn't matter, especially since we've allowed literal blocks in the bracket so any kind of moral high ground is gone over a decade ago.
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Though I guess it could also go Tifa > Sephiroth > Ryu > KOS-MOS > Aqua > Quiet
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

Ultimate Loser seems a little tricky with double elimination, but I think I got it

Link > Cloud > Zelda > Mario > Samus > Tifa > Luigi > Tails > Master Chief > Goro Majima

Looks right, even if you ignore the loser's bracket it is still Goro (Cloud is removed from the list).
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