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Celeste (PC)

Fantastic platformer, both very fun and with a very strong story.

Not sure how much of the post-game content I'll do, probably just the strawberries because I'm only about 30 left to go.

Tales of Berseria

Took a long time. I started playing it during CBX, playaed 99% of it then stopped once I realized the optional endgame quests were too long and difficult. Now yesterday I started again, skipped those quests and dashed through the end.

Overall a good game. Story is one of the best I've ever seen in any media. Gameplay is mostly good but with some very annoying flaws. I think it all averages to a 8.5.

Anagram posted...

Wait, this is the game that gave us the miracle never happen?

Yes, which is why the phrase is normally used when Phoenix is losing to characters with actual contest strength.

Though in the last contest, the miracle actually happen.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

On the note of the game taking place in 2017, the really funny and unrealistic thing about the case being in 2017 is that the circus pretty much died by the time we got to this year, with Ringling Bros./Barnum & Bailey closing that very same year.

There are two circuses in my city right now and I don't know why.

I think they are making a revival of sorts.

3-2 is a little weak imo but is still decent.

The rest of the game is perfect.

AA2 is weird in the sense the entire game is like a big filler while you wait for the meat, which is 2-4. There is some important stuff like Franziska's arc and mentioning Edgeworth and introducing Pearl but in the end the actual story fits in that one case which feels awkward.

Though I enjoyed playing it more than AA1 due to the less annoying investigations.

That's the scariest thing I read today, and I spent some hours reading Homestuck eppilogues.

2-3 is decent. It's botton half but that says more about the series quality.

Moe's jokes are terrible but the character itself is good when he's not trying to make you laugh.

Ben/Trilo is just meh. Some mix of funny/annoying.

Regina is weird af.

The case plot is pretty solid albeit it gets a little surreal. But that's AA for you.

So saturday night I went to a rock concert with some friends and they invited a girl I didn't know. I talk to her a lot and get interested.

Next day I check her Facebook and find... a Junko cosplay.

We then spent an hour talking about games.

Thanks Danganronpa!

(Posting this after its archived just in case I end up showing her these threads)

Zyxyz0 posted...

done! apologies if the formatting's a bit screwy in places, it took some work just to get those fancy new embedded images/videos to show up at all lol

No problem. Thanks!

The fact the entire cast treats spirit channeling and other spiriual stuff as real and don't waste time discussing its validity is a great thing about this series. It lets cases go to directions you don't see in most mystery stories.

But yeah, this makes the already weak legal logic of the series even weaker. Better not to think much about it, imo.

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- So, uh Did talking to people really need a supernatural element? Couldnt I just have shown Ini Miney the newspaper clipping to begin with? Such a weird thing to add. Phoenix already just talks to people, why make it magical?

It gives investigations more direction and greatly reduces the amount of "now go to the other side of the map so Oldbag can randomly appear and advance the plot".

Time for a new thread probably.

@Zyxyz0 could you archive this thread? Thanks.

Also guys I'm currently reading chatacter's FTAs and about halfway through, once I'm done with those I'll post my rankings.

Anagram posted...

- Ah, one of the traditional Japanese villages that are two hours away from Los Angeles. I love visiting these places.
- I like how the game isnt even pretending that this village makes sense if the city is Los Angeles. You couldve just said Phoenix took a flight and it would at least explain why he doesnt visit Maya more often.

Get used to this, it's gonna get worse.

hombad46 posted...

Chiaki

Yeah they do sound different.

Also I think I tried Chiaki for at least 3 other people so I feel dumb.

Just tell me already. At this point it's just random guessing.

As for the girls

Kyoko - Kaede
Hina - out
Toko -
GJ -
Celestia - Angie
Sayaka - Tsumugi
Junko/Mukuro -
Sakura -
Monomi -
Chiaki -
Hiyoko - Kirumi
Sonia - Monophanie
Akane - Miu
Mikan -
Mahiru - out
Peko -
Ibuki - Tenko

8 possibilities

Well I was reading some TV Tropes this morning and it listed Himiko among "voice actors who sounded very different from the originals".

Sakura?

Makoto/Nagito - out
Byakuya - monodam
Hiro - Gonta
Leon - Shuichi
Mondo - out
Taka - monotaro
Hifumi -
Chihiro - Tsumugi
Hajime - Rantaro
Nekomaru - Monokid
Gundham - Ryoma
Kazuichi - Kaito
Teruteru - Kiyo
Fuyuhiko - Kokichi

I thought I had guessed Hifumi before but I had guessed him for Monotaro not Keebo.

So it's Hifumi then?

DeepsPraw posted...

Keebo is not easy to guess. You'll probably only get it out of desperation or process of elimination

It's already proccess of elimination.

Chihiro?

Ok so

Keebo is Mondo
Himiko is Hina

?

I don't recall really hating Meekins when I played this series.

Then again I don't recall hating anyone so Meekins would probably land close to the dead last if I made a character ranking.

Oldbag annoyed me more than Meekins overall I suppose.

kevwaffles posted...

The game strangely never points this out, but the threat in 3-1 to kill all of the non-willing participants actually means none of them are in danger. It would tip their hands, though.

You mean, because of the TV show?

_SecretSquirrel posted...

The Monokubs, every single of one them at all points of the game, were just noise to me. I do respect their presence after the big reveal when you realize they are mascots designed by soulless focus groups to sell merchandise and be marketable.

I was fine with them. Individually they mostly suck, but their plots were pretty funny.

The advantage of planned murders are how far the guy goes to make a "perfect crime". So more stuff for the player to untangle.

I played all six main games and Gant is my favorite villain overall.

A few of them came close, but nobody is as cool as Gant.

Also there is the paradox of ranking Monokuma when he's finally an individual character yet this is the worst version of him so far.

This ranking is much harder to make than the previous ones. Before, there were well defined top, high, middle and low tiers.

Here the low tier is basically Tenko, the top tier has 2 people and then we have 13 good characters to rank. And don't even get me started on the Monokubs.

Hbthebattle posted...

BTW, before you ask, Rantaro's real talent (in the game before 53) was Ultimate Adventurer

Where did you learn that

AA2 cases are so-so (except 2-4 which is indeed perfect), but I remember loving that game because of how it purged all the annoying stuff from AA1's investigations and made the gameplay a whole lot more friendly.

MrSmartGuy posted...

Oh, and before we forget, we're definitely gonna need final character rankings! It's customary on board 8!

The ones from this game are coming later . I'm thinking of reading the free time dialogues first. And might play the mini games the guy above mentioned.

The ones from the whole series may take a while longer since I wanna give Toko a final chance of not being the worst character in the whole series and she just happens to be a playable character in a game I haven't played.

I just bought UDG tho...

Reg posted...

also don't play UDG. Watch a Let's Play if you really want to experience it, but don't play it.

Gameplay is that bad?

Also I'm surprised the writers had the balls to have suicide be a solution. And in Japan, to boot. Apology to suicide tends to generate backlash, and I kind of agree it's for good reasons.

The characters DID survive I guess, but then it's still attempted suicide.

Which was a clever plot point, imo. Imagine how annoying the game would have been if Tsumugi on disguise was brought up as a possibility every case. Sort of like what happened with "Gonta just broke it".

Then again, that would have forced Tsumugi to do something, which would have improved the plot.

DeepsPraw posted...

Surprised you didn't pick up on the Tsumugi cosplay stuff earlier.

I too suspected her as the mastermind as early as chapter 3. She just doesn't DO anything. Seeing Junko in the secret room at the end of chaper 5, I immediately knew it was Tsumugi in cosplay

Cospox, man. It kind of programmed my brain to not think about Tsumugi disguising as others, I guess.

And ending aside, this was without a doubt the best game in the series. Best cast, best mini-games, 3 very strong trials (1, 5 and 6) and 3 good ones.

Oh I didn't really get mad at the game. DR2 also drags out too much. And the ending was fantastic.

Really don't know how they can continue the series after this. I mean, they could (and V3 leaves the ending open enough for that) but this ending was such a perfect wrap-up for the series. I'd buy a DR4 (or DR54) but would be less excited about it. Right now I'm even doubting if I'll play UDG. I feel like putting this series away for a long time and just letting the experience sink in.

Well yeah games get better graphics and keep making use of those further and further as they go. The 3DS games are another step up. But sprites are charming and can convey more character than imperfect 3D models, so they are never dropped.

What a ride.

The 4th wall is broken. We DDLC/Undertale now.

First time I ever win a game but not saving. Except for save scumming, ofc.

Did Keebo suddenly become the viewpoint character? I'm okay with that.

Well, he does have the Makoto Hair, so I guess he's the Ultimate Hope in the end.

Ooooooh Keebo is the audience surrogate. Makes sense. Explains why his personality is kind of bland.

So Keebo is really a robot. Okay.

I guess the solution here is not breaking the game, but playing along with the audience. I mean, the coolest thing about Truman's Show was seeing him win and escape, not seeing him suffer.

This 6x Hope bullet thing was definitely the most difficult mechanical part in the series so far. I thought I'd have to lower the action difficulty. But in the end I made it.

Shuichi is making some good points about hope sucking, though.

Shuichi starts being a protagonist again, by solving remaining unsolved plot points. Atta boy.

Having a MC that's too smart is hard, though, because I have no idea what he's saying myself.

Ooooh so Rantaro sacrificed himself the last time. This is tricky.

So the only way to win is by losing? Interesting.

FUCK YEAH let's not vote and make this game's ending suuuuuuuuck!

In the end, I didn't win the game by hoping, but by not believing in hope. That's the lie mechanic taken to the extreme conclusion.

After such a Danganronpa-denying ending it almost feels wrong to even have another DR game.

I'm now Himiko.

And now I'm Maki.

I mean, Tsumugi being the only survivor would be lame as fuck, so it works for the purposes of ruining the game.

And now the "gameplay" is not playing. lol.

Psyche Taxi is one game I'm happy in not playing.

"omg management, do your job". LMAO. Angry fandoms are scarier than Junko.

I love how someone in the audience says "This guy should have died instead of Kaede". lol.

Told ya they'd make a clever mechanical play with this manual voting.

We won by convincing the world DR sucks. Damn, now I kind of regret buying UDG lol.

Everybody dies.

The end.

Or not. Just Keebo and Tsumugi.

Oh, of course. Wouldn't be DR without an open ending.

Suddenly, poorly designed 3D faces appear and start yelling random fandom slangs. The horror.

Oh hey, Sayaka just spoke with Tsumugi's voice. That's one less guess I have to make.

In the end, the series starts and ends with Sayaka. Poetic.

The V... was a 5. The twists keep coming.

The names of the games of DR4 onwards sound pretty boring tbh.

That trailer I had to see in the beginning suddenly got a lot creepier.

The million dollar question is whether those 11 people died or not. I'm going with yes, because Future Arc already pulled that twist enough.

"We are all fictional"? Okay, now my brain got twisted. A person cannot "discover they are fictional", unless V3 is also fiction inside another fiction which is just lame.

I love how Nagito is the one who gets to tell them they have no talent.

Hmm let me go through this:

Shuichi is an amazing detective, alright. But he's not MUCH better than Makoto or Hajime so that's not impossible.
Kaito was never really an astronaut.
Maki knows about assassinations, but those memories may have been implanted. We've never seen her asassinate anyone, except for Kaito/Kokichi, which was pretty sloppy anyway.
Kiyo knows anthropology, but that can be implanted too.
Gonta's entomology? Implanted. Though his super strength would be harder to fake. But that's not an ultimate talent so whatever.
Miu invented a lot of cool things, but those things could have been enabled by stage props.
Himiko can do real magic... or can she? The tank she was given was ridiculously easy to use.
Tenko is never seen actually making any difficult moves.
Angie made some real good effigies though. This one is hard to fake. Then again, she thinks Atua made them for her, so maybe they just put het to sleep and then placed the effigies there.
Rantaro's talent isn't even a talent.
Kokichi's talent is already fake by definition.
Keebo is... dressed as a robot? Or maybe robots are just real but the stuff he did in 3-6 was helped by props.
We never see Kaede playing the piano.
Ryoma never plays tennis during the story, either.
Kirumi is all about her backstory, which is fake, and wanting to serve people, which is a desire not a talent. Well she is good at making food, so there's that. Unless the food is also provided by the staff.

Most of those are easy to fake, though some are pretty hard to pull off. Shuichi's is probably the hardest, which is fitting because he is the MC so his arc could be about becoming real. Keebo and Angie require some imagination but money can do anything.

Damn, RL Shuichi is so lame.

In DR2, the protagonist learns he is a psycho. In V3, he learns he is a loser.

Damn they even predicted Shuichi getting good at it.

This setting is arguably the most despair-inducing yet. With all the character development being fake. It's like victory doesn't even matter anymore. The mastermind is just an employee.

Kaede and Kaito are assholes in RL. I think I'm just gonna disregard all the "real" versions of the characters for my ranking, tbh.

"Junko" is making the same point she made in Despair Arc. If Despair = Chaos, people want it because order is boring. But in this universe, instead of killing each other, they make a reality show for it. Humans jsut want to see blood. I mean, I'm playing a game about death myself right now.

This section is going for too long. I get it, everything sucks, move on.

Bad End? Wut?

We Truman's Show now.

Ok I'll give you that, that's one HELL of an original plot twist.

Well I'm not seeing any spoilery glitches. Phew.

Most of 2-6 was Hajime and his friends just being flung around by Junko, Makoto, Fake Makoto, etc. This time Junko tried to pull the same shit and Shuichi no-sold her in less than 5 minutes.

Life goal: get promoted to "Second Only to Junko" after spending a lot of time drinking soda and pulling childish pranks.

Wow, 3-5 was Tsumugi's plan all along. Cool.

Eh... Hajime? This feels fake.

Also why's up with his voice lol.

Oh so it's Tsumugi after all. Not Junko.

But why is she not having cospox? Unless... everyone she's cosplaying as is fictional?

Plot twist: Danganronpa is just a videogame.

Just bought UDG on a Steam Sale, along a few other stuff (i. e. time to finally play RE1).

Inviso posted...

Fuck Tsumugi. Second-worst character in the franchise.

Wow, that's one stretch right here.

It's interesting because, thinking about it, Tsumugi did an amazing job infiltrating the cast. She had to pretend she didn't know what was going on, she had to fake despair and sadness a bunch of times, and she nailed every single one.

I only suspected her because the universe itself avoided her and did not let her bump into plot events or be suspected by other people. So it's a 4th wall reason not a story one.

That said her murder plan was kind of weak. Expecting people to never get into her secret room when the game doesn't even have a rule against breaching doors (and not adding that rule in the first place) is very dumb. Announcing she was going to the bathroom was also unnecessary.

Raka_Putra posted...

It's <i>always</i> Junko!

I do feel that Tsumugi should've pushed back harder when she was getting grilled. Like you said, it was all circumstantially evidence.

And the game designers should have given Tsumugi actual things to do all game so I wouldn't start suspecting her to be mastermind in Chapter 4.

Her blandness made her stick out like a sore thumb.

Exciting.