Board 8 > Anagram Aces Ace Attorney: A Phoenix Wright Playthrough Topic (spoilers)

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If Ace Attorney 2 only consisted of case 2-4 I'd still be satisfied spending 40 bucks some 13 years ago

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Anagram posted...

Actually, I just realized, did Franziska ever give a motive for why Max would kill the Ringmaster? Or how he flew away?

The anime actually provides the diagram that Gumshoe promised...!

But no, they never really provided a motive for Max.

And I wouldn't say Acro is as sympathetic as he is tragic. He got pushed to the brink and accidentally killed the person he views as his father.

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Thanks. Im going with the majority and saying hisbis a bad case, sorry everyone.

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Anagram posted...

Thanks. Im going with the majority and saying hisbis a bad case, sorry everyone.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you, though

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Oh God 2-3

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AA2 is weird in the sense the entire game is like a big filler while you wait for the meat, which is 2-4. There is some important stuff like Franziska's arc and mentioning Edgeworth and introducing Pearl but in the end the actual story fits in that one case which feels awkward.

Though I enjoyed playing it more than AA1 due to the less annoying investigations.

Episode 4: Farewell, My Turnabout
- The case opens up with a traditional Californian samurai/ninja contest.
- I didnt really expect the Steel Samurai stuff to make a return.
- A samurai with a clockwork arm, huh? Phoenix Wright apparently predicted Sekiro.
- Oh man, a for great justice reference after all. That shows me.
- All of these returning characters. JJ Abrams was right, no ones ever really gone. See, I can make out-of-place pop culture references too!
- This one time at lawyer camp, the game is just determined to defeat me with dated references.
- Holy god what, Will Powers is 24? I thought he was like 45. Dudes got a bad case of the Aurons.
- A mysterious bellboy (or maybe not) named De Killer kidnaps Maya and tells Phoenix to get an acquittal for Matt Engarde in exchange for her. What a waste of a good kidnapping. Doesnt he know that wed take the case anyway and win because thats all we ever do?
- Wait, I can just use Mayas fancy stone thing to tell if people are lying? Like, at will? Jesus Christ, why wasnt Phoenix doing that all the time?

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Anagram posted...

- A samurai with a clockwork arm, huh? Phoenix Wright apparently predicted Sekiro.

well PW2 does take place in 2017 so it was a little early...!

Anagram posted...

why wasnt Phoenix doing that all the time?

I feel like this would be really stressful and draining to always be able to detect lies so I'd only use it when I needed it!

also aw yeah 2-4 hype

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!!!

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Yeah, at least the game treats you to 2-4 after surviving 2-3.
2-4 also introduces one of my favorite witnesses.

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Raka_Putra posted...

2-4 also introduces one of my favorite witnesses.

Oldbag in an astronaut suit?

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Anagram posted...

Oldbag in an astronaut suit?

rat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat

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Anagram posted...

Oldbag in an astronaut suit?

A close contender, but nope.

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Down with Oldbag.

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Do people generally like all of 3?

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Anagram posted...

Do people generally like all of 3?

Some people aren't fans of 3-2 or 3-3 but generally speaking all the cases are fairly well liked.

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All of 3 is good. 4/5 cases are definitely in my top half; maybe all 5.

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All of 3 is good.

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3 has the worst case in the series.

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Underleveled posted...

3 has the worst case in the series.

extremely minority opinion for the record

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my opinion is "just play the dang game for yourself"

2-4 man woo

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LeonhartFour posted...

well PW2 does take place in 2017 so it was a little early...!

On the note of the game taking place in 2017, the really funny and unrealistic thing about the case being in 2017 is that the circus pretty much died by the time we got to this year, with Ringling Bros./Barnum & Bailey closing that very same year.

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3-2 is a little weak imo but is still decent.

The rest of the game is perfect.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

On the note of the game taking place in 2017, the really funny and unrealistic thing about the case being in 2017 is that the circus pretty much died by the time we got to this year, with Ringling Bros./Barnum & Bailey closing that very same year.

There are two circuses in my city right now and I don't know why.

I think they are making a revival of sorts.

LeonhartFour posted...

extremely minority opinion for the record

I dunno, every time I make the topic there is at least a handful of people that agree outright or at least agree that it's bottom tier.

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Underleveled posted...

I dunno, every time I make the topic there is at least a handful of people that agree outright or at least agree that it's bottom tier.

It's mostly just Blade and Ulti who think it's as bad as you do.

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Leonhart4 posted...

It's mostly just Blade and Ulti who think it's as bad as you do.

In my topic from September/October, Meow, Grand Kirby, malyg, and Andy also expressed high levels of discontent for the case, with Meow concurring that it's the worst in the series.

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I don't know why we insist on discussing cases that Anagram isn't even to yet. (3-3 is very good)

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I mean, Anagram insisted on asking what people think of T&T...!

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Good point, I'll stop.

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Bah. I was just curious.

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just focus on 2-4 for now

(although fun fact: 3-3 was originally supposed to be in PW2 but got cut for space)

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LeonhartFour posted...

(although fun fact: 3-3 was originally supposed to be in PW2 but got cut for space)

Just as well. Regardless of your opinion on it, it fits the same archetype as 2-3 (comedic mid-game filler) so it wasn't needed in AA2.

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- Theres only one way were going to prove Matt Engardes innocence. We have to find the real killer. Can you imagine if this was how actual legal proceedings worked?
- Oh, Samus Aran with glasses. I didnt expect you.
- I know its way too late to think about this, but why is Pearl even allowed to hang out with us? I wouldve assumed her mother would stop that, either for training purposes or hating Maya purposes.
- I was about to say that 23 is pretty young for a manager, but then I remembered how old the entire rest of the cast is. About the only person in the series whos the correct age is von Karma.
- I love this picture of the victim with a tiny butter knife 1/100th of an inch into his costume armor, as if that could possibly kill him. Im sure that will be important later, but oh man, thats some funny stuff.
- Man. Remember when you had to choose what to watch because shows were on at the same time? God, if any one thing dates this game, its that concept.
- I said this before, but Lotta has the worst surprised face in the series, which is a problem because she shows up constantly and keeps making it.
- Edgeworths back, yay. And he brought a new theme tune thats honestly not that good.
- Im unclear on why Phoenix hates Edgeworth here?
- Working together is the definition of teamwork. Yes, Edgeworth, and people die when they are killed.
- Phoenix, if youre concerned that Samus Aran has a motive for killing Juan Corrida, why not just ask her outright and use your literal magic to determine the truth?
- Pearl: Mystic Maya said ask my sis, right? Phoenix: Sis? What does she mean by that? Phoenix come on, now

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Anagram posted...

I know its way too late to think about this, but why is Pearl even allowed to hang out with us? I wouldve assumed her mother would stop that, either for training purposes or hating Maya purposes.

Morgan was arrested after 2-2

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hombad46 posted...

Morgan was arrested after 2-2

What

I didn't get that at all.

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Anagram posted...

What

I didn't get that at all.

I mean, she was an accomplice to the murder

Edit: Also the case ends showing Morgan in solitary confinement

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Yeah it was very explicit that Morgan was arrested.

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Anagram posted...

- Edgeworths back, yay. And he brought a new theme tune thats honestly not that good.

just for that you get this



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hombad46 posted...

I mean, she was an accomplice to the murder

Edit: Also the case ends showing Morgan in solitary confinement

Underleveled posted...

Yeah it was very explicit that Morgan was arrested.

I remember her saying that she'd return for revenge or whatever, but not the arrest. Oh well.

LeonhartFour posted...

just for that you get this

They're not all winners, dammit.

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Anagram posted...

I remember her saying that she'd return for revenge or whatever

she said that in a solitary confinement cell yes

and Edgeworth's theme (Great Revival) is great

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Anagram posted...

What

I didn't get that at all.

jfc Anagram

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Anagram posted...

- Edgeworths back, yay. And he brought a new theme tune thats honestly not that good.

this might be the first time I've ever heard that opinion

Yeah Edgeworth's theme in JFA is phenomenal.

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- I dont think this game understands how weird it is for Mia to show up in Pearls body.
- I like how the judge asks Phoenix what happened to Franziska, as if he would possibly know.
- Franziska was shot, presumably by the kidnapper, oh my goddddd
- I knew shed be shot in the same place as her father even before Edgeworth said so.
- I knew the knife would be a fakeout, though I admit I missed the bandana.
- You know, now that I think about it, Franziska has a weak objection. Edgeworths is very classy and von Karmas is very booming. Hers is just sort of said normally.
- Man, the difference between Edgeworth and Franziska is night-and-day. Both of them challenge Phoenix and present surprising new evidence, but Edgeworth just comes across as way more composed even while mocking Phoenix. Even his surprised face is more him reeling in shock and anger while Franziskas is fear. Its really good to have him back.
- I just realized Wendy Oldbag has a wedding ring even as she hits on Edgeworth.
- I did not expect this to be the exact same thing as the previous game where she witnesses someone in a costume and assumes its the person who normally wears it.
- Even the speed lines behind Phoenix and Edgeworth as they argue are better than when Franziska did it, and Im not completely certain why. I think its because Edgeworth is just more of competent, believable rival than Franziska, whos kind of whiny.
- I suppose next youll swear to me that the news is 100% truth! Is that Is that a fake news reference in 2002? This series is way ahead of its time.
- Im just going to level with you. I couldnt figure out that I had to press Oldbag on her secret knowledge and then present Lottas camera. I just looked it up. Sue me. That was stupidly obscure and you know it.
- The defense moves to indict Ms. Adrien Andrews in the murder of Juan Corrida! Ill take sentences it is not legal to say in a courtroom for 500, Alex.

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2-4 Edgeworth is peak Edgeworth

Anagram posted...

- I suppose next youll swear to me that the news is 100% truth! Is that Is that a fake news reference in 2002? This series is way ahead of its time.

well once again PW2 takes place in 2017, so...!

Anagram posted...

- Im just going to level with you. I couldnt figure out that I had to press Oldbag on her secret knowledge and then present Lottas camera. I just looked it up. Sue me. That was stupidly obscure and you know it.

The OT can be tricky about the way you have to "beat" a testimony like that sometimes, yeah. The later games don't ever really do that.

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I think I might have had to look that one up too, even on a replay.

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LeonhartFour posted...

The OT can be tricky about the way you have to "beat" a testimony like that sometimes, yeah. The later games don't ever really do that.

IIRC, the first Edgeworth game has one of the most infamously BS solutions to an argument

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AJ is easily the most straightforward.

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