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Kaede might still be above Shuichi for me. Her death really got to me.

But they are both great.

Can you guys tell me if there is a middle save point in 3-6 or not?

We are in the first half of the case and Shuichi already proved Kaede innocent. He's on a roll here. That's probably going to cost a Monokub's life.

Wow he killed Monodam this time. Monokuma doesn't give a fuck, huh.

3-1's lame ass motive can be explained by the Mastermind getting desperate because the team's Makoto was just OP. She just made everyone friends and nullified the killing game from the start. And even that motive failed, so they had to take a next step and make a kill of their own. Did they know Kaede was also trying to make a kill, too, or was that a lucky coincidence? Would have they pinned the blame on someone else had Kaede not made her kill attempt?

Ok so the kids deduce the mastermind knew about her killing plan, but had a fail safe in case the ball missed. That's some speed chess right there.

Shuichi just broke Danganronopa.

Shuichi is making me reassess the notion that a DR protagonist is boring. He is badass as fuck right now. And he's doing it without plot SSJ powers or help from Kyoko. He's just cracking the game open with pure logic, Apollo Justice style.

"All the guys you date will be single fathers curse". They keep getting scarier.

If Tsumugi is the mastermind she's being pretty bold by bringing the twin sister plot in. I mean, she just eliminated Shuichi and Keebo from the pool. Though this plot could be a diversion.

I guess Tsumugi (who may or may not be Kaede's twin sister in the end) brought that up to imply the mastermind is a secret 17th player they would not have access to. But this is not DR1. The mastermind is standing in the class trial right now.

This Mastermind did not have the luxury of a sister who actually worshipped her and would disguise as her so she could stay hidden.

The game is letting me go after Tsumugi kind of early in the trial. I'm now feeling this is too easy.

Eat shit, Tsumugi. Assuming that's not a red herring.

The only thing that keeps this case unsolved is that the bathroom thing is not conclusive proof. Tsumugi is now the most obvious suspect, but Keebo and a few dead people still have crappy alibis. Tsumugi may have just went to the bathroom at a different time the killer went in.

Well, this case seems to have fewer truth bullets so maybe it's just shorter and the second half will involve explaining the plot, similarly to 1-6.

Shuichi is not considering the possibility that Tsumugi went there at a different time. This feels like a plot hole. Keebo could have gone there one hour earlier and nobody would have noticed.

The "give birth" thing is clever and I hadn't noticed that myself. But it's STILL not conclusive. I can see Tsumugi's goose cooking in her eyes, though.

Bye Monosuke. You suck at arguing.

We are about to solve the case for good and Monokuma is like "lol so exciting". Fuck.

Now he's rushing the case. We are about to be trolled, huh.

This closing argument even has fewer panels. It's like the whole thing is just a distraction.

It starts at Act 4 this time. Cool.

NEW ACT 5 unlocked.

No Hangman's Gambit. No Mind Mine. No rythm game. No Debate Scrum or 3-way debate thing. Unused truth bullets in the list. I'm calling sheganigans.

And Tsumugi played the Junko card. Damn Tsumugi, that's too simple.

Oh shit. Tsumugi is Junko.

It's always Junko.

The 53rd. Okay.

But the trial is still not over, so I guess the twist this time will be "it's not actually Junko after all". This is gonna be fun.

I guess she's either a clone or a robot. And if robot, she has Virtual!Junko installed in her CPU. Told you that AI was going to come back in some way.

She said Kokichi is a remnant. Contradiction detected.

I was right. The cast is not aware of Despair Arc. They think it was just Junko.

They also seem to think the killing game was the cause of despair, but that's flat out wrong. The killing game was just the icing on the cake.

Hmm the book kind of contradicts the original canon too, if it ignores the existance of the Reserve Course.

Ok maybe there isn't a save point and we are close to the end, but this is taking too long. I'm taking a break.

SeabassDebeste posted...

kaito and maki are arguably bottom 3

Oh boy you're gonna dislike my rankings.

Cast members (including Monokuma) be like "Okay Shuichi you brought us here now wtf do we do".

We are going to redo 3-1. This gun be fun. Cospox will not save you this time, Tsumugi.

Shuichi is being revolutionary right now. Monokuma is never wrong. Sure, 3-5 just happened, but even then the possibility of Monokuma being wrong would force the whole game to stop. The closest we have to that is Junko's actions in 1-5/6, and even then she played a lot of 4D chess to be able to pull that "cheat" off.

Shuichi is straight up calling BS and betting his life on that claim. I like the way this kid plays. We've come a very long way from 3-1. Kyoko would be proud.

Rebuttal Showdown vs the Monokubs. I dig it.

Someone else was at the library. And in that case, 3-1 is cracked open. Kaede's whole setup could have just failed. Bravo, Shuichi.

RIP again, Monokid. At least this game knows to kill the worst kub first every time. And lol at the twisted Lion King reference. 2nd time this series has one.

I gotta say, Monokuma terrorizing his kubs with that detonator is incredibly fun. Though it's creepy that the mastermind kleeps making new versions of them only to kill them in cruel ways.

Monodam is basically the MVP of the team this time.

New way to plain Danganronpa: hire your offspring to do it for you and threaten to kill them if they fail. Creative.

First layer of trolling: show the PoV character looking at the murder weapon but not her taking it so you can reveal later that she used it. Second layer: 5 cases later, reveal the murder weapon she grabbed was not the same one that was used. DR in a nutshell.

I asked earlier if 3-1 could be topped and they did even more than that: they improved 3-1 altogether.

Damon Gant is amazing.

Yes, Himiko. You were useful. In fact, you probably just solved the entire mystery. Good job.

Monokuma yelling "All glory to the killing game!" is both creepy and cool.

We'll have another class trial. But this won't be about figuring out a murder, just "the truth". Which makes this more like 2-6 then 1-6, meh.

They have a point though, Monokuma accepted it easily. I guess it doesn't matter if the kids figure out the setting, they need to stop these infinite killing games altogether. How they will do that is the question.

Keebo's inner voice is back. They mentioned something about his antenna hair too. Was it missing during his ssj mode? I don't remember.

Keebo is finally proud of being a robot. Because it's not just being human that matters, but being able to save your friends and find hope. Good job, Keebo.

Oh boy, the bugs are mini Monokumas with cameras. THAT'S where the cameras were all along.

Monokubs had a sixth ranger! What a tweeest! We need a new opening now, there's always a new opening when a sixth ranger is introduced.

"All your relationships will end in love triangles curse". Damn, Himiko makes some scary curses.

Monokuma places bombs in the kubs. For some reason. Can't say I mind killing the kubs again, though.

Keebo is cool but he's not top tier material imo.

A hidden passageway connected to the girl's bathroom. Suddenly my Tsumugi theory comes back with a vengeance. Cospox my ass.

I guess she is Kaede's sister, then?

"Kaede having a twin doesn't really matter, does it?" Sorry Shuichi, but if something is mentioned, it matters.

Well I guess the mastermind is either Kaede or her sister, and my Tsumugi theory is more or less busted. And Kaede/sister is the mother the kubs kept mentioning. Possibly the one Rantaro wanted to win with, too. I'm mentioning both because there is a 50% chance the one who died in chapter 1 is the sister, not the real Kaede.

With this, DR has 2 secret twin plots in 3 games, tieing with what AA had at the same point (though one of AA's used plastic surgery to cheat). AA would later gain a third twin plot, but only in the second trilogy.

Gonta's bug plot comes up out of nowhere, and in a weird way.

Ok so Himiko checked Rantaro's room already. Though she found nothing. Poor Himiko, she just wanted to help.

Monotaro attacks, but Keebo takes him down with a karate move. Cool.

The limit limit ends, but the game brings me back to the previous scene with half of it left. Phew.

By the way thanks for telling me to ignore the time limit, guys. I pretty much took my time to check things out.

We enter the boss room to meet... a giant Monokuma head. Let me guess, Junko AI is in it again?

Motherkuma is a dumb but cool boss name.

Shuichi figures something out from the shot put ball, but I don't. Nobody has pink hair except Junko. Well, Kaede had pink clothes, I guess.

Two shot put balls, though. One that killed Rantaro and one that... didn't? One for each twin? Hmm.

I second on Motherkuma wanting killing games to never end because they are so fun. Shut up and take my money.

Kaede/Twin comes to this room whenever Monokuma needs a spare. Wait, didn't he need a spare in the middle of Chapter 1? I don't remember the sequence of events from it, but that's probably a key point.

I would pay to play Rantaro's original killing game, honestly.

We get a somewhat silly flashback of Monokuma appearing and starting the game. The most interesting point is Shuichi being awake, I suppose.

Oh so they were woken up one by one. Makes it impossible to figure out who the mastermind is.

Himiko is trapped. Shuichi's plan to rescue her is ask Monokuma. I guess he wants another trial? We need a corpse for that first, though.

Time is up again. This mechanic is really annoying.

I meet a flashback light control panel. It has a bunch of memories to remember, but they seem to contradict each other. Are all the flashback lights... lieing? Maybe the original trilogy is a story inside a story?

Himiko shows up out nowhere, apparently having escaped from the girl's bathroom. Weird.

DR1 had a deal made with Monokuma to unlock all the rooms. DR2 had virtual!Junko just volunteer all the info because that was part of her keikaku. DRV3 has a berserk robot tearing all the locked doors apart. Progress.

Rantaro's lab has a bunch of portraits, and two safes. I'm guessing Ultimate Thief. Which is cool but kind of mundane for the game's most mysterious character.

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but I love how Himiko's laugh sounds like an evil witch's.

Well, I guess that "Twins B" is the vault password. So much for an evil twin plot.

Spent some time trying to figure out the animal password. Then I remembered... Horse A! But this makes things weird because Kokichi eventually changed that writing. Was he the one who originally wrote it, or did he just change it?

I managed to do it a few seconds before the game shows me, so I don't feel completely stupid.

Oh hey it's that video from Rantaro we saw like... 2 chapters ago?

Oh boy the plot thickens!

There was a killing game before this one, and Rantaro won. He's the Ultimate Survivor. Makes me wonder if he had an actual talent before that one, or his natural talent is just winning killing games. Also he wanted the second one for some reason. Or is it the second one? Monokuma said the killing game is eternal, maybe there were many games before this one. Also the fact only 2 people make it is important, but Rantaro wasn't allowed to reveal it to his future self for some reason. Finally, he had a perk at the start, which he was going to use to end the game if it wasn't for Kaede and her rolling ball.

Another pointless memory. Now onto Rantaro's room.

Or not. Shuichi wants to check what is probably the Monokuma Door on the basement, and Tsumugi wants to check a new door that just appeared.

We see the 16 students meeting up right before the trip. I wonder if Kiyo was already planning on murdering all the girls in this scene.

AAAAAAAAAND the twin plot is back! I didn't expect it to be Kaede's twin, though.

Inb4 Kaede is the mastermind. This game could do anything.

Ok, so when we last checked, we had just lost two great characters to a Case 5 again, Monokuma had activated a flashback light that apparently does nothing, Junko had appeared in a scene that lacked a lot of context, and Keebo had gone rogue.

I just watched what looks like a creepy promotional video. Some lame kid named Makoto is depressed but thankfully there is entertainment (killing game?) in his phone to keep him distracted. Moving on...

90% of the game's budget just flashed before my eyes for a few seconds.

Shuichi calling Keebo with the same voiced line they used for Debate Scrum sounds silly.

What's with those kids and mass suicide plans?

Hmm I wonder if Keebo's inner voice being silenced is the result of that flashback light.

Eh DR2's killing game didn't have an audience either but I'll take the argument. Then again, DR2's plot was a special kind of silly.

Monokid: "Let's kill him until he dies from it!". lol.

An epic battle between Keebo and the Exisals begins. I'd play that game.

Now comes the part where we get into the final locked rooms to learn all the truth about the plot. This time around the stuff they know is so negative that I expect the new revelations to make things more hopeful.

Is Kokichi really confirmed as a remnant of despair? Cuz they keep saying that.

Keebo's battle opens up a very covenient hole on the floor of the room I happen to be right now.

A timed mission? I guess that's the dumb mini-game you guys talked about? Eh.

Ooooh Kokichi's lab. I'm curious.

This lab looks awesome. But as Shuichi pointed out, it's probably all just a prank.

"That doesn't seem like something the remnants of despair would use". Eh I dunno Shuichi, have you seen those freaks?

We find a mysterious book. Classic Case 6.

Maki gives a rundown of previous game's plots. The DR1 part sounds accurate. The DR2 part feels lacking, but I don't blame those kids for not knowing what happened in that simulator.

Ok so Shuichi claims the book contradicts his memories of the story. Checking the truth bullet, the only thing weird is that it seems to exclude the Reserve Course. Otherwise it all seems fine. Hmm...

The flashback light finally activates, but it doesn't seem to reveal anything new. Well, that lame kid from the chapter intro is in it. Final villain maybe?

Ok so the boulder moving mini-game isn't based on free time points like I was fearing, just on a level up thing that appeared just now.

Wtf are those exisals doing?

Ok, first things first. What is Rantaro's efigy doing here? Was Kokichi planning to revive him? I'm down to that.

The game doesn't let me investigate the effigy, though, even though it's the most interesting object here.

We find Kokichi's motive video, which reveals his organization was responsible for... nonviolent crimes and pranks. Yeah this sounds like a Kokichi thing.

The second most interesting thing in the room is that board showing everyone's pictures. The game doesn't let me check that either. Meh.

Maki stayed behind to check Kokichi's blueprints, but her "friendship power" stays. Stupid gameplay and story segregation.

I stop to grab a hidden Monokuma who is riding a floating rocket. Priorities.

"Twins b"

Oh shit is this an evil twin plot? But whose? Rantaro? Tsumugi? Shuichi? Everything is possible now.

We see a memory of Shuichi talking to Makoto. Which, again, doesn't reveal anything new.

I unlock the Keebo Gun, which is basically yelling for Keebo to come save me. lol.

Eh I really hope I don't have to repeat this entire investigation, because it doesn't seem like I'm gonna make it under the time limit.

Raka_Putra posted...

I especially love it when they have freakin' rakugo.

Fun fact I rewatched Kill la Kill some time after playing AA6 and managed to spot a Rakugo reference that time around.

AA is not the only work that showcases extremely obscure Japanese culture but is certainly the only one I know that dedicates a full arc to it.

Leonhart4 posted...

I dunno. I think 1-5 gives it a run for its money at times!

I'm biased because I watched the 2nd half of 1-5 instead of playing.

And I did because my laptop mic wasn't working. So... yeah.

Anagram posted...

- I attempt to not present the letter from the safe to von Karma, because thats obviously insane and stupid and no one would ever do that, but the game apparently cannot progress unless I do, so he stuns us with a taser. I lose the letter, but gain the murder bullet from DL-6.

It seems to be an AA1 thing where every case must involve losing critical evidence because Phoenix decided to show it to the killer for no reason.

LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, the time zone thing forced their hand, and at this point, I think it's too much of an inside joke with them and the fanbase to just revert to it being set in Japan.

also I don't think Robert Hammond is actually a pun per se

I think it's just supposed to "sound" like a lawyer name

"Ham" is police slang for "dead body" in Brazil. Unlikely to be that, but...

Anagram posted...

- This game needs to be better at telling you where to go. After ripping off the plank of wood, I went to literally every location before Studio 2 again. Later, with no indication, I was supposed to go into Will Powers dressing room to meet the director. Sal Manella, huh? Not, uh, not your best pun name, game.

Don't worry, 1-3 is as bad as investigation sequences will ever be in this series.

Anagram posted...

2. I wanted to laugh at how, if this was really such a huge embarrassment and famous case, Phoenix Wright the lawyer would surely know about it, right?

PW doesn't know much about law in general. But who needs that when you can just interrogate the nearest bird and pray it works

Yes I might have the urge to post a bunch of comparisons with DR since I've been doing the reverse in my thread.

Anagram posted...

- As Phoenix goes to call the cops, a woman across the street calls them on her phone. Detective Gumshoe arrives shortly thereafter. He declares that the victim wrote the killers name in her own blood, case closed! Wow, this guy is a pretty bad cop.

If this was Danganronpa he would be the world's best detective.

Well, at least in 1-1.

Also tagged.

Oh btw guys I'll likely won't do any gameplay until friday. Maybe saturday. Keep the thread bumped for me if I forget.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I mean, as much as that is true, voting for Korekiyo also would have led to a correct outcome, so the people on that side weren't really wrong. Shuichi was wrong in a "good process, bad result" kind of way. Results wise I still count it as a loss.

It was really weird from a game perspective too because I REALLY thought it was going to turn out to be a thing where Korekiyo wasn't the true killer which would have been a nice twist, and at the time of the scrum debate I was like "oh wow, this is gonna be a great twist!" But then he just kinda was so ok.

Yeah this game passed on two chances to let someone kill and go unpunished. First with Kiyo, then Kaito. It would be interesting to see the interactions after it happened.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I really liked 3-5 but I just don't really get the point of Kaito blowing the plan for no particular reason - I think either;

1) the plan works, the game is blown, and that sets the stage for the finale

OR

2) Kaito has to give up the plan in order to save Maki

but it was kind of silly the way they did it

There was still a 50% chance Monokuma would see through the ruse and get everyone killed. And he wasn't really giving signs of buying it.

And Kaito is a man of principle, he refuses to kill or let his friends kill. It's illogical, but it's why he's so great.

DeepsPraw posted...

Every killer THINKS they have good reasons, that doesn't mean those reasons are actually good or justified

Sure, but to say they don't deserve redemption is a bit extreme. Danganronpa is not black and white.

Gonta
Kirumi
Kaede
Kaito
Gundham
Peko
Nagito
Munakata
Sakakura
Tengan

All commited killings for what they thought were good reasons.

The difference is Kokichi acted like a smug asshole while doing it.

DeepsPraw posted...

Kokichi killed Miu in cold blood and sacrificed Gonta to do it

He's not a good guy. He doesn't get redeemed

He's not that close to pure evil either. A bunch of people commited killings for good reasons in this series.

Oh shit it's Kaito who is in the robot isn't he.

How do you even make the body in the video look like someone else though. Is there a way to edit videos nobody knows about?

I'm so confused.

Heh. The pause button. Simple, but sneaky enough I didn't think of it before.

The problem is imagining why Kokichi would even agree to dieing in Kaito's place. I guess this is where we learn his hidden depths, or something? Unless we really have a hidden corpse so they are both alive. But then what is the case about? Nobody is dead?

Though the way it looks now, they didn't even need a corpse. Just the coat and some blood. The press moves down so fast it's hard to see if there's a person under it after the video is resumed.

But Kaito is still poisoned. How does he get to live now?

Maybe they cut someone's arm and put under the press to look like a body when it's just the arm. Also explains where the body comes from. Whoever is inside that exisal is lacking an arm now.

"But I just summed it up so nicely..." lol poor Himiko, you don't get to be the main character.

Oh yeah it's just Kokichi who was crushed. Still, why did he agree to it?

"Victim helped". Another entry in the compendium of awkward Hangman's Gambit phrases.

Well, if Kaito killed Kokichi, then he dies, and Maki lives. But then why not just showing up and confessing? Did he think he could beat Monokuma, or something?

"Who else would agree to die just to execute their plan?". Weeeeeeell... a certain psycho comes to mind. Sakura kind of counts, too.

Monokuma: "no, I'd still kill you all". Such a great party member.

Now let's go over how every character except Tsumugi built this amazing murder plot.

The "dark mysterious figure" wearing Kaito's clothers is hilariously silly.

This game doesn't have an octagon to provide useful items for the resident psycho, but it has a Miu.

Kaito/Kokichi has a point. What if the bodies were just... not switched? There is no proof, both solutions are possible. An AA prosecutor would tear this theory apart.

There are two steps for this now. The kids vote. Then Monokuma decides if they are right or not. And then he verifies if he called that right or not. 25% chance the culprit dies, 25% chance everyone but the culprit dies, 50% the killing game is forced to stop due to Monokuma breaking the rules. That's some nice odds. Nagito would have a field day with them.

We still haven't lied in this trial. I guess now's the time?

Shuichi lieing seems ridiculous at first but then you remember half the cast of this series hides silly things then reveals them mid-case. Shuichi is just playing along with that. I like this development, it turns the whole series on its head. It's self aware. It's delicious.

Well yeah. If they vote for Kokichi and they are wrong, that 25% where only the culprit dies is out. It's either beat Monokuma, or game over. Which is amazing since this is 3-5.

DANMIT KAITO WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Why do you have to be such a shounen hero? Godanmit.

Kokichi wanting to stop the game and save everyone was the reveletation I waited for all game. He's a ~mostly~ good guy all along.

"Why do you think this game started again?", Kokichi asks. Because of Hope. Because of Makoto. Because Maki remembers all of it and you don't. In the end, Makoto ruined everything from his grave. I bet nobody saw THAT coming.

Or... maybe those memories are fake and the first trilogy isn't canon after all? lol. Could see it too.

Someone is watching. But humanity should be extinct. Is there a Future Foundation V3 too?

They keep saying Kokichi is a remnant of despair, but is that even confirmed?

Well, he's saying he wants to bring the mastermind to despair, so maybe he is.

I guess the point of Kaito's sickness is to make his death now a bit easier to swallow. A bit.

YAAAAAAY the kubs are back! Rise and shine, ursine!

Damn, Maki. Why does every case end have to be sad as fuck? This fucking game.

Kaito has literal flaming eyes. Because.

I have a feeling he's gonna be incredibly badass in his punishment scene.

Heh. Kaito refused to be executed and died in his own terms. Screw you, bear!

Goodbye, Luminary of the Stars. And goodbye, Supreme Leader. You two were the best characters in this game.

Junko? Is that you?

I'm not sure if I'm annoyed because this game is not being original or pleased because Junko is one of my favorite villains in fiction. Then again, it's probably another fake out.

Well, the VA matches I think.

Why didn't Keebo show up at the night training scene? This is suspicious af.

HOLY SHIT KEEBO. I'm not even sure if I smile because you look badass now or yell at you because you probably something stupid.

Did Maki just admit she poisoned Kokichi? Is it that simple?

Maki gets it. Kokichi's actions have been way too convoluted. There are shenanigans in play. But I don't think she's even close to grasping the depth of those shenanigans. Her theory doesn't even include Rantaro yet.

Kokichi didn't know about remnants of despair because Kokichi didn't know shit. He made everything up.

Oh shit Kaito died to protect this asshole.

This gonna be a triple death. Godanmit. You are evil, Danganronpa.

But Kaito, you are a godamn idiot if Maki gets executed because of this.

This stopped being a case and became a soap opera. I don't mind it, tbh. Cool stuff.

Everything is revealed, but Kokichi STILL hasn't left the robot. This ain't done yet.

Shuichi FTW. The case is only over when it's over.

This is a Phoenix Wright feat right there. The defender confesses and Shuichi is like: "nope, there's something you missed".

Oh shit so the press was the murder weapon after well. What a tweeeest!

I didn't see that coming because I was under the impression the electrobomb was a normal EMP. But reading it carefully, it only disables sensors and communicators. Not mechanical things. And the game led me to believe the press was a fake murder weapon and the poison was the real one, but the poison was the curve ball since the start. Clever.

Oh shit Kokichi just pulled a Nagito. It's impossible to know whether Kaito was still alive when he was put in the press. This case is now a coinflip.

Well there is only one path now imo. Vote Kokichi. If he did it, he dies. If he didn't, everyone but Maki dies. It's not the ideal scenario but at least it guarantees Kokichi dieing and the Maki living, with the others as a possible bonus.

But the fact I'm seeing this path makes me think there is yet another layer to Kokichi's plan. Or whoever is inside that robot.

I try to vote Kokichi, but Monokuma cuts that. lol.

Wait, Monokuma doesn't know who did it? That's against the rules.

Well, makes sense. There are no cameras in this game. Or a program to oversee everything like in DR2. Even if there were cameras, they couldn't check Kaito's pulse while the press was about to crush him.

Oh the electrobomb stopped the cameras too.

A case Monokuma himself can't solve. This is so meta. I love it.

"It's possible that Kokichi is just lying to us". That's the quote that defines this game, tbh.

The cat is out of the bag. Kokichi is just a secondary villain.

Miu for MVP. Hijacking critical Killing Game material. Nobody in the DR1 and DR2 casts ever pulled this off. The closest anyone came to that was Chihiro with that alter-ego.

Monokuma and Kokichi trying to one-up each other is fantastic.

"Monokuma joins your party". FUCK YEAAAAAAAAH. I love this case.

Trial begins.

So, I think the obvious explanation is that the murder weapon were poisoned arrows, and the victim was already dead when they were put under the press, otherwise the safety system would have worked.

Oh Maki I know you want to prove Kaito is dead but challenging me to a rebuttal showdown this early? You're gonna be crushed.

And entire game and I'd never noticed Kaito wore one sleeve outside of the arm and the other one normally. lol.

I win the showdown but Maki doesn't give a fuck.

Monokuma brings out the suspect. That was faster than I had expected.

It's Kaito, yay! In an exisal, because why not.

RIP Kokichi. You were an amazing villain. But the same thing I said to Nagito applies to you. Becoming the game's secondary villain does not help your survivability past the penultimate case.

Okay, is Monokuma fucking with me? Of course he is.

I googled the reference and it's Frank Sinatra. That's pretty old.

Okay, video evidence of Kaito being crushed. That's pretty decisive.

RIP Kaito? Eh, I don't trust this game anymore.

"That's because I used my magic to transfer all my barf over to you". lol Himiko, never change.

Kokichi does not know who Junko is. Heh.

"Everything you buy will go on sale the next day Cure". That sounds horrifying.

Oh boy, Himiko helped with the murder by bringing the crossbow there, but only found out what was done with it now.

It's amazing how at a moment like this the writers choose to make Himiko the accidental accomplice, even though she's already had enough screentime in this game. Not Tsumugi. Because Tsumugi must be kept from interacting with the plot at all costs.

"You've been weird since we mentioned small holes!" lol. It would be great if Miu was still alive.

Himiko and Maki both start defending themselves, so we get a 3-way debate. Cuz Kokichi also has to go "maybe I did it lol".

Ok Maki is onto something. The narration suggests it and I agree. This can't just be angst at Shuichi.

Heh. The exisal has a voice changer. Trolls everywhere.

The exisal claims to be Kaito now but I'm not buying until I see it.

Guess: they're both dead/dieing. Maybe they are even both in the exisal. The poison does take a few hours to work.

The gameplay asks me to pick one of the two and I pick Kaito. Hmm... I'm not even sure if I can trust the gameplay anymore. The only damning evidence is that video, but that's too easy. There is no other evidence that I remember, though.

It's debate scum time. And I'll defend the Kaito = dead side.

Debate scum won, but the bastard still doesn't open the exisal.

Yeah Keebo don't consider this won until you've gone through all of that truth bullet list. This game is not trust-worthy.

"Only one arrow was fired". I think that was the easiest non-stop debate in the series. What's even the point?

Oooooh so Himiko only took one arrow to the hangar. Spicy.

I smell balloney.

Might be the first time in this game I actually think the timing is good for a psyche taxi. To figure out some impossible contradiction. Not just repeat stuff that's already obvious.

Oh boy it's Maki who brought the arrows. Tell me she's not the culprit.

Maki came in and killed Kokichi? Then Kokichi killed Kaito? I'm scared that this actually sounds like the most logical explanation.

Oh so that's why Maki said she would use an knife and not a hammer. I love how this series foreshadows things.

Took half a trial but we finally got the poison to be brought up. This is the most critical point of discussion.

Ok so she knows Kokichi didn't do it but she has nothing to lose. If they get a mistrial, Kokichi dies. I wonder who would live, though. Maki herself?

That's a very shitty way to fight for hope, though. Making humanity go extinct. Makoto would yell at you for not shooting higher.

I'm getting 1-5 vibes. Maybe the trial ends here but then is resumed.

Eh no it's the intermission. There's more shit to go down. I feel like we've used almost every truth bullet, though.

So the most obvious suspects are Kokichi and Kaito themselves. For killing each other. A third party is possible, but I can only see it if it's Maki (for Kaito-related drama) or the Mastermind (in a case that would prolong to 3-6, probably). Tsumugi, Himiko and Keebo are too secondary if they aren't the Mastermind themselves. This is Case 5, it's too plot-centered for random killers.

A new fifth case, a new guitar-heavy song. This one is pretty cool.

For some reason this song is lower than the others. Which makes it hard to listen to without messing with the sound settings all the time.

Tsumugi lampshades how he has few appearances in this game, and how he's second only to Tsumugi. Hmm.

It seems like a remix of investigation songs from the previous two games, and the main theme.

Wow, action really went down at the bathroom. This looks more like a murder scene than the press room.

Oh boy Himiko did shady stuff. And so did Keebo, but Keebo's shady stuff is evidence for Himiko's, so he is less likely guilty.

To see Kokichi's clothes in a toilet seat gives me a strange feeling of glee. It's like that's where the guy belongs.

Monokuma is now openly talking about hope and despair. It's hard to compare to what we had before though, because normally it would be the kubs talking about random shit.

Oooooh Monokuma will execute Kaito/Kokichi if they don't show up. I guess the mystery will be solved now.

Maki is now Munakata. Shit.

The trial starts. But the living guy is waiting "behind the scenes". Damn, Monokuma.

benjamin3740 posted...

And you'll notice they managed to never mention hope or despair in this game at all.... well until where you're at now of course.

Yes I had noticed hope and despair were much less pronouned here. I thought they had just ditched the Ultimate Despair plot altogether and went for something new. After the mess that was DR3, would be nice to have a fresh start.

Raka_Putra posted...

Upupupupu.That really was what the promotional materials said.

Well, just...keep playing.

lmao

I guess you guys just wanted me to have the same experience you had, right?

Ok so this is basically a sequel to DR3.

And the mastermind and/or Kokichi is another fucking lackey of Junko. Should have imagined.

Amazing. They still think the world has been destroyed, but now they remember having studied in Makoto's academy, so they are filled with hope again. Makoto is OP.

I think Kaito has that virus they are talking about.

Himiko trying to make jokes with Maki and receiving death glares is my new favorite character interaction.

Shuichi sees Monokuma, and he decides to sneak up past him instead of realizing there is some kind of trap.

Have I mentioned I love Kaito? Yeah.

Time to make our assult. Or fail at it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KAITO

Damn guys stop speculating on who the victim could be and read the damn Monokuma File.

The Monokuma file reveals nothing. Of course.

I have to go to sleep for today and I don't know what is worse: the betrayal from B8, or not knowing who is dead.

benjamin3740 posted...

I don't feel like it's a spoiler to say this... since it was made clear in the pre-release of this game, and I want to set your expectations. This is a new universe of danganronpa. Danganronpa 3 was the end of the Hope's Peak storyline. Hence why this is V3. They didn't want to be tied down to that expanding story arc anymore

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Free time. I spend it catching up on the stuff I had seen in my grinding but didn't save. Meh.

I gotta say, Monokuma looks classy as fuck sitting on a presidential chair in front of a top floor window drinking expensive-looking wine.

Yup, Maki will force the two to make peace, whether they like it or not.

Eh... what are you going to use weapons for, Kaito?

Kaito left before she could. Meh. Also, those two are turning into a very cute couple by the minute.

Mysterious stuff happening at the night of Case 5. Here... we go!

Poor Kaito. Little does he know we are probably already in space, though.

Is it just me or there's no motive this time?

Kaito wants people to fight. This sounds like a dumb idea, but feels good to hear it anyway.

I've played a lot of mafia games. Tsumugi clearly feels like a mafioso who is trying to stop the townies from doing something smart but in the end goes along with them not to feel suspicious.

Tsumugi: "One man's moe is another man's trash". Eh... okay?

The plan is interrupted by the only thing possibly scarier than Monokuma. Kokichi.

Again, another fake bomb plot in Case 5.

Kokichi's super evil self can't last much long because he has to lie about it. I mean, he's a bastard, but he'll never be fully serious about it.

Maki, there is a way to make Kokichi talk that doesn't involve killing him. Ever heard of torture? The bastard does deserve it. But I guess you only know how to kill people.

Time to grab the electrohammers, beat the unbeatable mini-game, then find out we are strained in space or something and there's no escaping anyway.

Damn these hammers are OP. And yet it still took me two tries.

There is a non-zero chance opening this door will just suck them all into the vacuum of space. Though that would end the game. lol.

Oh they are not in space. I liked my theory, meh. There are still a lot of hints the school is a spaceship, though, so maybe it has yet to launch. So the truth is basically Tragedy all over again.

The world is so fucked up they can't even breathe, damn.

It's Kokichi, with Demon Face #4. Of course.

Man, if what Kokichi is saying is true, this game can't possibly have a happy ending (at least not like we got in DR3). Only 7 humans are left. And besides, we need a sequel to V3 too!

Oh ok, so we did go to space, then went back to Earth because Monokuma is a dick. I got close enough.

Kokichi just confessed to being the mastermind. And also revealed Demon Face #5. I think at some point his faces will just be replaced by a black cloud or something.

I don't buy it, though. You are lieing again, Kokichi. The game wouldn't just take away the fun of figuring out who the mastermind is.

How you got the control of the exisals is anyone's guess, though.

Time to turn on the new flashback light that came up from nowhere and flip the plot upside down.

Wow I even predicted what the narration was going to say.

Why... am I seeing Hope's Peak Academy? And why is the DR1 song playing?

Did you bastards lie to me, Board 8?

Raka_Putra posted...

When the game sets up something like the Exisal hangars, there's this kind of foreboding feeling of what the final case(s) might be like.

Any blind guess who will be the victim, if any?

I dunno, we are getting to the point where it's hard for there to even be a victim. 1-5 had the Mukuro ploy, while 2-5 was... 2-5. We could just move to figuring out the mastermind or something. Or twarting Kokichi's plan. It's open-ended now.

Kaito could be it, he seems like the most expendable character now. Maaaybe Keebo or Tsumugi too.

Mewtwo59 posted...

So it's just Tsumugi, Himiko, and Keebo left to guess, right?

I think so.

Monokuma: "But the more I think about it, why did those kids even exist?". Yeah.

Kaito won't let a puny terminal illness get in the way of his mission to shape this party into an Ultimate Hope.

Shuichi has a point. Kokichi's problem is that he is the default suspect for every crime that happens from now on. If he wants to win, he should either plot the absolutely perfect crime (which is difficult when you're facing an Ultimate Detective), or do something more subtle, like what he just did to Gonta.

The problem is that Kokichi CAN do subtle. But he burned up all his goodwill in the last case, he'll have to do something even more effective now. Then again, he seems to have a plan.

The... Last Real Key and the Real Last Key. Also it seems that Monokuma gets the privillege to give out two prizes because he's the boss. Other bears could only give one prize each.

Kaito says there's no way the cockpit in his room will be real...

Oh shit I think I figured it out. We are in space, right? It's possible Gonta and Kokichi just saw the Earth in pieces or something. Also I recall seeing something about an alien disease. Could be related. Danganronpa is a space opera now.

Yep. Noah's Ark. Floating in space. I'm also gonna guess the school is not the entire spaceship, there is probably a bigger part, with more Ultimates watching the game or something. Wouldn't make sense to put just 16 people in a ship. Unless there are multiple ships.

I'm lowkey waiting for Maki to grab Shuichi and Kaito and say "make up already... or die".

Keebo: "a mecha could pop out!". lol.

Keebo, if you can't even memorize a code, you have failed as a robot.

This exisal hangar is totally the next crime scene. It has a convoluted means of entrance and a way to dispose of bodies. And the later ALSO has a convoluted control system.

I'm here wondering is the press safety system would work on Keebo and he decides to test it for me.

Sorry Keebo. You're not a person.

Bue let's be fair. You are more human than Kokichi, by a mile.

This door that looks like something out of Brutal Legend is probably Kokichi's. Which leaves only Rantaro's left.

Oh damn it's Rantaro's. Now that's interesting.

I almost want to make a truce with Kokichi just to see if he can pick this lab's lock.

Reg posted...

That's the one, yeah.

This was utter and complete proccess of elimination.

Final guess: Monotaro is Taka

Inviso posted...

He's major in case 3. So really, he's super important in 2/3 of the game.

I don't remember him doing anything in that case.

And yeah he's one of the major characters. Most stories tend to have major characters.

Inviso posted...

Nagito is quite literally the worst character in the entire franchise. He is a walking embodiment of a Gary Stu.

I don't think you are using the same definition of Gary Stu as everyone else. That requires other characters to actually like him, to begin with.

Chiaki is arguably much closer to that.

I like the DR2 cast overall, but as time goes on, the game loses some of its shine. DR1 just has a much more coherent plot. I realize that playing DRV3 and realizing how much I missed this school setting.

Like, 2-4 doesn't hold a candle to 1-4 or 3-4, because it's just a distraction. And 2-5 is also another distraction. Everything is a distraction to the main plot of "talking with giant Junko and then using magic deus ex powers to prevent her from taking over a bunch of corpses".

Irrelevance is the defining mark of the DR2 surviving cast.

But all of them still did more than Tsumugi. Even Akane got to be an idiot and almost get Nekomaru killed.

That said I think you make an interesting point on this cast being better in the sense that they are pretty good at spotting the curve balls and moving on.

Like, the case on Kaito didn't last the first 25% of 3-4.

But still, there was a case on Kaito. People don't even try to pin the blame on Tsumugi.

xp1337 posted...

yes, but counterpoint: it's yasuhiro

he was the original "but he's too dumb to pull it off"

and he only made you waste time because everyone in dr1 is a jerk and makes makoto do everything. the other casts at least try to help. >_>

I'm not comparing the quality of the cast. I agree Hiro is garbage.

I'm making a point on why I think Tsumugi is the mastermind.

If Tsumugi is not the mastermind, she's still a decent character comparable to the likes of Mondo and Celestia.

xp1337 posted...

yasuhiro

He was the main suspect for two consecutive cases.

Tsumugi isn't even a suspect. She doesn't even get to make us waste time like Hiro did.

Tsumugi now has the honor of being the only character in the series to make to Case 5 without ever doing anything important.

Yeah shes bad.

MrSmartGuy posted...

In the Save My Danganronpa Character contest held here a few months ago, Kokichi ended up like 7 full spots above Nagito (something like 5th to 12th), I said that was an absolute crock, and I got tons of shit from the other participants for having that opinion. *shrug*

12th is too low for Nagito, tbh.

But I'd argue 5th is too low for Kokichi too.

I could rank him #1 in the entire series and ii wouldn't feel wrong. Yet I don't wanna rank him first here yet because I don't think the bastard deserves that pleasure. Plus... I really like Kaito.

But he has all the marks of a great villain. The actual mastermind (*cough* Tsumu- *cough) will have a hard time not being outshined by him.

THREE HANGMAN'S GAMBITS? Do those developers think we actually enjoy those or something?

Gonta literally died for being left-handed. Amazing.

I'm not sure if they can outsad 3-1 but they are certainly trying. I love this game.

Ooooh Kaito is providing valid counterpoints. You go, Kaito!

But... Kaito is not the protagonist, so he doesn't get to solve things.

Fighting Kaito in a boss battle over it makes it twice as sad tbh.

Kokichi is what Byakuya would have become if he hadn't been softened by Makoto first.

But there is no Makoto here. Cuz Makoto died in 3-1. There is only a Kyoko, and Kyokos only pursue the truth. The world is hopeless.

I'll take back what I said early on: Byakuya is a bargain bin Kokichi.

Fourth case is when a top tier character becomes the murderer. That's the recurring theme, I guess.

Virtual world sprites in comic book form is extra cute.

Only one vote for Kikichi. I'm guessing it was from Kaito.

This series never gonna stop having Alter Egos, will it.

Oh so Gonta was turned into despair after learning about the Tragedy V3 (that's what I'm calling it now).

So we get to execute Gonta and watch stuffed bear childbirth at the same time. Exciting.

Gosh, someone punch Kokichi.

Wow, a triple execution. Nasty.

RIP Monokubs. In the end, I liked you guys. But Monokuma is the OG, and I don't like how this game has had so little of him. Maybe he's get to shine now.

I'm sorry, guys.

Kokichi is better than Nagito (though 2-5 is still the best case in the series so far).

The gig is up. Now they all know Kaito is dieing.

Yep, Shuichi. You can't win this game by playing it. You have to break it.

Even Kokichi seems to know that.

So the writings in the rock were from him. Damn.