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Most states, even with masks orders, don't have any force of law backing them, so there's nothing a store employee could likely do. "Violating store policy" isn't an arrestable offense; management can ask you to leave and police can mediate if it escalates to the antimasker refusing to leave private/corporate property, but the police would not proactively respond to someone flauting health protocols.

In Maryland, for instance, the governor's order has required masks for months, but he specifically said that there would not be legal enforcement of it.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

fleeing and attacking

These are opposites.

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Topic needs more pictorial proof.

tag

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I like Vegy pretty well.

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RedJackson posted...

I can relate so hard dude it's not even funny - I can even feel tears that are starting to singe my eyes because at times I look at how extremely social I am now because of how lonely I was a kid

I get this overwhelming feeling in my throat at times like something wants to come out but can't.. like I'm being choked up by my stress.

I am so sorry to read that man, I totally am, I really wish no kid didn't have to face those realities.. I hate seeing people by themselves and I hate knowing people here or anywhere suffered that **** because I would've sat with them or tried to make them feel less lonely being a kid who cried craving that, who grew up being brutally hard on myself for feeling 'guilty' that I was even thinking 'this isn't right.. something just isn't right'

I know it's just the Internet, but I love you, man. It sucks so hard. That constriction and lump at the back of the throat, oof, I can taste it. Ouch. Sometimes, when I'm talking about all this and do find myself about to cry, I half-involuntarily say "poor little kid." It feels weird to say it about myself, but it's more for all the little kids in that position than me specifically. Best of luck to you and your heart and the poor, little kid you had to be.

I guess the best thing for people like us to do other than try to heal and grow is to donate to relevant charities, join up with Big Brothers-type programs and try to help out with the lives of other kids in some way. I've had a conflicted feeling on whether to adopt kids when I'm a bit stabler and away from her, but no way can I even consider that until then; a kid living with or nearby her would not only be subjected to her negs, but would also be poisoned against me with her manic-pixie-godmothering. ("Vanai makes you eat vegetables and do homework; I'll take you to the zoo on school days and teach you to throw secretly-purchased fried chicken bones out the car window!").

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NotYou posted...

at least she didn't make you wear a chastity belt?

Not a belt, but as a seamstress, she made a lot of my outfits and they were never flattering, including for my wedding. And there was some weird nooooot molestation that went on during fittings.

Stalolin posted...

Damn, sorry to hear that. I hope you can still have a good life and feel like you experienced some of the things you missed, or at least close enough to be fulfilled!

Thanks! I'm pretty all right. I was considering trying therapy out before the pandemic hit; I'm just on the reddit for RaisedByNarcissists now instead. I really love my dad and I will miss living on the property when we move out, but I just can't with her and I sure won't spend what's left of my youth (~3 years) living with her. I've done a lot of traveling, I have a good marriage and I've met almost a dozen CEmen. She wishes she could be me. :P

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rivers posted...

fifty
is 100 still possible? i have a vague memory of that being an option in 2000 and that people who had been using it were grandfathered in when ceejus cut the limit to 50

My settings only go up to 50 because I lost my old account over ten years ago, but I think I remember it having a 100 option.

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Ving_Rhames posted...

why click more

It's easier to keep track of the topic and to act as a barrier on whether it's worth wasting my precious life seconds on; I'm not going to enter a topic that already has 9 pages going on unless it's something I care about.

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(nt)

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

significantly different sized breasts

I heard about this a lot in health class and body-positivity memes, but I've never encountered it in real life.

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Stalolin posted...

can you expand on what your circumstances were growing up?

tl;dr: Don't bother reading it, it turned into a whole pity party. Basically, I had a narcissist mom who kept me isolated and discouraged me from setting or working toward goals.

My circumstances were pretty normal from the outside and other people on CE have definitely had worse things going on. My life is and always has been blessed. I lived in the same house my whole childhood and my parents were married, unhappily but very stably. We didn't have a lot of extra money, but we never had to worry about groceries or heat or car repairs, so solidly middle-class in a good school district and all that.

But I had/have a narcissist, hoarder, quintessential Boomer mother who also has some undiagnosed social disorder. I'm not trying to be mean, she truly has no understanding of social cues of what's appropriate, is unable to follow simple conversations, is a pathological liar... She is in constant competition with me even now, at 31. She likes to project this attitude of being a breezy hippie, but she's a micromanaging toddler with no actual foresight and no inner bliss.

I wasn't allowed to have friends over I can still count how many times it happened because it was so rare. Her reason was always that she "just didn't feel like dealing with it" and that the house was "trashed," but we weren't allowed to get rid of anything and any attempt to systematically tidy up had her devolving into screaming within ten minutes. I wasn't allowed to go over to friends' houses because "then we'd have to invite them over here sometime." Our house is gorgeous because my dad spent all his free time (he worked a full-time job and she didn't) cleaning and maintaining the house and property. So other than her hoarding, which was kept out of sight from the main area we would be entertaining in, it was all just bullshit.

She was a freelance seamstress, but she complained whenever she got work and would just shut herself in her sewing room watching cop shows and smoking weed, using the project she wasn't working on or billing as an excuse to not let me have friends over or take me anywhere. "You can't take things so seriously" is what I was always told when I wanted to do something, when a promised outing was denied/"forgotten," when I had a goal I wanted to keep track of, when I thought an unfinished goal of hers might be fun to do together, when I had a frustration about something and wanted help from her... Just always, her answer was to chillax and quit.

I was dissuaded from sports or extracurriculars; I wasn't allowed to quit once I signed up, but the whole season, she would complain about how much of a burden it was to drive me around and put toxic earworms into my mind about the people there or the rigors of the hobby or the infeasibility of it becoming a lucrative, worthwhile or skillful use of my time, so I usually gave up after a year unless it was something I really wanted to hope for. She also gaslit me about those things I did like and was good at; she called me 'unathletic' my whole life, despite me swimming by age three, doing five years of dance, climbing trees and hauling bricks my whole childhood, three years of competitive swimming, two years of intramural weightlifting club, using a stationary bike for twenty miles a day in high school while reading my homework, and then rowing in grad school. And she kept me on starvation diets from about age 8 until I moved out, despite being morbidly obese herself.

I wasn't allowed to have toys in my room, so I spent all my time in the basement playing by myself, surrounded by her half-fished projects she got bored with (like me). This isolation extended into high school; dates were allowed to come over for Sunday dinner and a movie on the couch, but there were no parties in or out of the house, I had to be home by 8:30 on nights that I worked and I wasn't allowed to drive to school on days I didn't work. The only thing I was allowed to do was high school theater in the props department, because she taught the tech kids to sew (for free, just as an excuse to not have full-time work or to help my dad with the house). She gave the tech kids fun and useful life advice about dating and drugs, then would come home and accuse me of doing the partying that they had told her about them doing. And, like, punish me for it. I got onto CE when I was 14 or 15 because it was the only place I could make friends without her being the famous "Cool Mom" who overshadowed me. She even made me give her my AIM password and would log in to pretend to be me sometimes.

I got to have a literal handful of sleepovers and five birthday parties between birth and 21. I was expected to come home multiple times a month during undergrad. She told me from the time I was a kid that it would be my job to take care of them both when they were old and "change her diapers." I actually did move back in with them when I was 28 with my spouse, but it's so intolerable that we've been looking to move out. I love my dad and he's my idol, but he got the Bad Ending with her.

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I fucked up in college and grad school big-time, both socially and academically. I grew up in weird circumstances, so I didn't know how to focus or make friends and in retrospect I really missed out on a lot.

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SoundNetwork posted...

What if they try it and still don't like it

Guerrilla Soldier posted...

i don't think of myself as being better as those who are picky...
but at least we all acknowledge food is awesome

See, if they try something and don't like it, that's fine. Everyone has stuff they don't like. Even if they're incidentally picky, but don't realize it, that can be worked with. But someone who actually identifies themselves as "picky" and finds descriptive and comforting use in the word, naaaah. That's not just preferences, that's a worldview. A worldview that doesn't acknowledge food is awesome.

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'Pumped-Up Kicks' and 'Maxwell's Silver Hamer' both played during the March For Our Lives in D.C. along with other pop music. It was extremely inappropriate.

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Shout out to any Marylanders who shout out the O.

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K181 posted...

But one guy remembered the others but was quiet about it out of embarrassment over no one else remembering.

"Oh, gosh, maybe it's just me, better not say anything. AWK-ward."

lol yeah, that f'ing threw me.


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Yeah, not liking or not favoring certain things is one thing, but at some point, just grow the gris up. Like, I don't loooooove cauliflower, but it's okay, solid B+ food. I don't buy or make it for myself much, but I won't avoid it at a party if someone is serving it. I don't like pineapple pizza, but I can appreciate other salty-savory/sweet interplays in food.

When somebody says they're picky, I lose respect for them, but it's not because of the food. It honestly says a lot about their willingness to try new things or to develop appreciation outside their understanding, as well as their ability to handle other real-world situations that require discomfort or adjustment.

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Halloween has been really sad the whole past fifteen+ years. "Trunk-or-treat" bullshit replacing actual holiday fun because parents refuse to introduce themselves to their neighbors the rest of the year.

Personally, I think Halloween would have been the ideal time for us to have aimed for a return to normalcy: kids would be wearing masks anyway and would only be interested in grabbing candy from bowls. Make your kids wash your hands and keep the candy on the fridge overnight so the virus can die (I think 12 hours is the longest I've seen it reported to live on a surface) and *bam* a Halloween that 1965 could envy.

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Nor should they be. All variations in human behavior aren't grounds for becoming a protected class. Furries are not systematically discriminated against because, despite being incurable and unrepentant fetishists, all they want to do is weird sex things in private. Until and unless they start bragging about their kinks, no one has any way of knowing or discriminating against them.

Sexual fetishes are not class characteristics.

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And I just find myself daydreaming about what kind of person they are. Like, gosh, I hope you're nice in real life.

The files are boring and scripted, so there's nothing juicy ever, though it probably also colors my perceptions of these people I'll never see or meet. When I hear a spritely Welsh woman ask for eight cheeseburgers with bacon or a breathy Aussie ask for a six week trip to Borneo, I can't help but think about how much fun it'd be to know that character in real life.

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CEmen if I can choose who they are. CEgals if I can't.

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Plot twist: TC is looking to hire a hiring manager and is tricking us into posting our resumes.

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I'm not, but I've hired four people in my jobs across the years, so maybe I cold help a little. What's up?

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Imagine being in a world of the rebirth of dreams and being named Seymour.

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Nintendo keeps all their assets in clay pots.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Pretending to be imprisoned for war crimes, convincing Gestahl to fake a surrender, just to ambush espers in their home land is some of the most convoluted way of killing shit in any Final Fantasy game.

The important thing is none of us were all secretly raised in the same orphanage and just plum forgot about it.

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Either a Silent or a Boomer, yeah, probably. Silent Generation came before Boomers. Most Greatest Generation members are dead, but depending on how old she is, she could be one of those.

Not sure of the applicability of generational designations across cultures before globalization, but I guess if anything made it globally acceptable, it'd be the World Wars.

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Terra was hot but so damn damaged.

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averagejoel posted...

you're making the same mistake as you were initially. sex is a lot more complicated than "sperm or egg" and this reductive binary is no longer sufficient for scientific purposes.

Reread my first post, including the part you quoted at me. I don't know why you think you're educating me or disputing what I said. 'Scientific purposes' are specifically acknowledged in my first and second post in how I account for multitudinous intersex conditions and the fact that this knowledge is valuable for the knowledge base of humankind, but claiming high-level, minute variation in the main categories as a gotcha is not useful or intelligent.

How is treating the peaks insufficient now? Human reproduction and sex has not changed in the past twenty years and these new discoveries while fascinating are not evidence that overturns anything we've understood fundamentally about biological sex, reproductive sex or the way gender is meted out and enforced cross-culturally.

If sex and gender aren't the same thing (they're not, but you can't have the latter without the former), what is the value in the rhetorical expansion of biological sex into an unknowable mire of magic and variability?

We still don't even know how the broad 'female' body works because it hasn't been considered worthy of study except for birthing purposes. Our entire oppression structure of Gender, in all societies, is based on female reproduction and the meeting of sperm and egg and the world doesn't even understand what causes miscarriages yet. The male and female categories are useful scientifically and sociologically, on top of and even separate from the sociological categories Man and Woman.

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averagejoel posted...

saying there are two sexes is reductive. there are too many factors to consider. genitals and chromosomes are just the tip of the iceberg

Fiiiiine, but calling eyes "blue" or "brown" or any color word is reductive too, then. The confluence of factors which results in a creature that creates ova is female and that which creates sperm is male. Reproduction is about ramming things together and seeing what sticks, not perfection and the sublime. This expansion of knowledge is useful in the human project, but the lay definition of sex can make generalities like "the Earth is round [no, it's an irregular shape!]" and "egg and sperm meet to begin the development of a fetus [no, the first stage of cleavage is called embryogenesis and the egg and sperm don't 'meet' since they completely lack agency!].

The oppression structure gender exists because about half of the natural population can be made to birth young due to the confluence of their biology, and 51% of the population has external genitalia that overwhelmingly correlate with that reproductive capacity and therefore receive the subordinate socialization within the gender structure of their local culture and time.

There's a lot to know about human biology that we don't know yet, but that's no reason to pretend humanity hasn't had a pretty strong track record of figuring out who the ones who likely-could-create-ova and raising them in a different way than the ones who likely-could-create-sperm.

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There are two sexes and multiple intersex conditions that are variations on those two, the exceptions that prove the rule. There is no third sex, all intersex conditions are not the same and intersex isn't trans.

Gender is a framework of labor division and behavior control that begins at birth, or even before in societies that use ultrasound for novelty. Suites of behavior are deemed acceptable or not for a child based on the role they are being groomed to occupy. There are two genders in most cultures across the planet and across time that track with the two sexes, categorized by appearance of external genitalia at birth based on presumed reproductive capacity; globally rare, but in existence are societies that have three or five gender categories, which are typically a not-so-flattering way of dealing with intersex conditions and homosexuality. In theory, there could be any number of genders, but practically the distinctions would be grouped together after a little while.

The Western proliferation of self-identified categories is recent and forced, not in line with the 'traditional' cultures they are misunderstanding and appropriating. Furthermore, across cultures that represent more than two genders, female people are overwhelmingly still shunted into categories that mirror the common understanding of 'Woman-as-nurturer,' a role which is enforced by their reproductive capacity regardless of their sense of self. This is because oppression structures do not care about inner fulfillment.

There are innately and naturally zero genders, just like there is not a real thing such as "Money" out in the ether of the universe, despite the number of currencies that exist and the real harm that Money does.

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I can name five off the top of my head.

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Who is going to have any public power to name-and-shame a woman for racism if she's walking alone at home at night? The only reason people would have to even know about my tale would be if I went around saying "A Black guy was walking behind me last night and I was nervous about it."

If I were a White woman one night and there were a Black guy behind me on the path and it somehow got out that I had implicit racial bias, I guess I'd be annoyed by the public misperception of my fear, but there's not much some rando on the street can do to me if he doesn't even do anything to me. Like, what does "being labeled racist" in this situation mean? No one is really risking cancelation any time soon just from picking up their pace on the sidewalk.

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CE used to do massive phone conference calls of like eight to fifteen of us, back before the Internet could support reliable videos.

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Tenlaar posted...

It's fine if it's a short term thing, like it's been a long standing problem and you want to be able to sit down and have a conversation and say "look, these are things that have happened in the last month so that you can better understand what I'm talking about." If it's just for general score keeping purposes, then it's unhealthy behavior.

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I mean...
https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp

Emergency Preparedness and Response > Specific Hazards > Chemical Emergencies > A-Z > Riot control agents/tear gas

Riot control agents (sometimes referred to as tear gas) are chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin.

Riot control agents are used by law enforcement officials for crowd control and by individuals and the general public for personal protection (for example, pepper spray).

Riot control agents work by causing irritation to the area of contact (for example, eyes, skin, nose) within seconds of exposure.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Why the f*** they keep interviewing her and asking questions about 2016

Fucking this.

Everyone keeps asking her questions, then getting personally insulted when she answers them. They just want to keep feeding the outrage machine of her refusing to "go away" by continually asking her for interviews. They want to force a powerful, competent woman into the position of getting pushed for interviews and debasing herself by saying "Oh, my, no, dearie, it's not my place..."

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Be aloof

After posting pictures of yourself right now.

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Now that streaming on demand and suchlike are a thing, could there please be a special feature that allows us to watch a show in order once it's done? All the back and forth in time intrigue can be sort of fun, but that's all any show does anymore.

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But you were grinning in the picture, so it was okay.

It's raining now, so I'm glad we're in the Hall of Presidents or whatever we're learning about in here.

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How long are you gonna be? Can I get in line for a ride while I wait?

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We could always go bowling instead.

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Today's the day~ I've been up since 6:00. Where are you gaiz?

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MachineJaipur posted...

But this topic only has 2 pages of posts

I'm old as hell and do 10 per page. But it always escalates quickly.

I did actually read all the posts eventually and am glad CE is mostly righteous. Police are so damn jumpy.

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None yet. I had an idea for one this past Winter that would match a scar on my opposite ankle in color and alignment, but would have a personal slogan in stylized script. The pandemic put a hold on it and I've been waffling since conceiving of it, but I'm still sort of tilted towards yes.

If I ever went back to Japan, I wouldn't be able to get into onsen anymore and that's the one thing holding me back. Not that I have plans to make Japan travel part of my lifestyle, but what a thing to have to miss out on if I did.

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