Lurker > Scotty_Rogers

SonGaton posted...

I kinda doubt T-dog forgot it on purpose.

He forgot it because its design is forgettable. He could remember SS1 and SS3. But not SS2? Why do you think he conveniently forgot the one that looks so similar to SS1?

Scotland, if the eyes were red we'd instead have topics from you complaining that SSJ2 is just a recolor of SSJ1.

I like recolors, so no.
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Ayyy fam!

Japanese women da bess women
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This time on The Fam!

*swag*

Next time on The Fam!
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I agree, however, it can be distinguishable if the animators put effort.

Clearly they can't put enough effort to care about minor things like muscle definition, specific color shades, hair spikiness, electricity, etc

How you gonna let slide them slacking off?

Because I can see why they would mess up on those things. They're very minor.

SSJ2 should look like the next step towards SSJ3. Longer hair. Darker eyes. Lightning signifies that the SSJ2 is bursting with energy. The sadistic facial expressing represents the effect SSJ2 has on the mind, which is to say if a Saiyan goes level 2, that means he is looking to fucking hurt you. Compare that with SSJ1 which is fueled by rage.

Already responded to these things dawg. It'd just look like SS1. Just make the eyes red and there'd be no issue.
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Once, yeah.
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I'm pissed the fuck off.
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how would that affect his chances of dating
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I only have 2 active SS2 topics on this board.

One for my redesign
The other for this
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Lmao
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what deficiencies?
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Monolith1676 posted...

I am 6'10" and girls give me one glance at me and they always look terrified. Since I was 15 I have only had two gfs that I did not meet off the internet, the other 20+ I had to meet online.

There's a limit to how hot tallness can be for women.

If you're taller than 6'5" and you don't play basketball you're probably fucked
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jt a lucky man
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Choosing the poop that smell the least bad.
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Protagonist: Scotty_Rogers
Other Protagonists: Rest of The Fam
Love interest for the protagonist: McKayla Maroney
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Sami1000 posted...

IHeartRadiation posted...

It's almost a shame everyone keeps falling for this

This the first time i'm seeing this and tc is correct. SSJ2 should look different.

Indeed. Doesn't have to be drastically different, but different enough so you can distinguish it from SS1 at any and all times without someone telling you how it looks like.

Making the eyes red would have done this:

Lazy photoshop on my part, but Gohan actually stands out. With green eyes, he doesn't:
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

That's pink lightning. SSJ2 is blue lightning

Nah, it can also be yellow and even purple.

Also, why do you think the lightning matters when it's blue? Because someone told you it does. Lightning is lightning. With just your own eyes, with no one telling you jack shit, you won't give a fuck about the lightning, regardless of the color. Stop thinking arbitrarily.
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Did you think Future Gohan got a new form when he got lightning in this scene:

I know you didn't.
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Shut up, Savage. You're not 21, you're at least 30.

You also agree with me on Super Saiyan 2.
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can somebody help me
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PiOverlord posted...

Yeah, I always thought ssj2 was lazy.

Darkninja42 posted...

I'm not gonna lie, when I was younger first watching the series and Goku went SS3 I was like 'when the hell did he go SS2'?

Also, I don't think the dub ever explicitly called it 2 when it first happened, they were like Enhanced Saiyan or something like that, which confused me too. Could be wrong about that, though.

Sami1000 posted...

Actually i agree. Now that i think about it, the SSJ2 form is pretty lazy tbh. Funny, that it never crossed my mind before.

uwnim posted...

Scotty is actually right this time.

These gentlemen agree with me. Toriyama agreed with me as well when he said he forgot SS2 even existed. Form sucks so badly the creator forgot it existed.
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known2FAIL posted...

I'm not responding to any of that.

You're taking the L.

Because you consider "casual fan" someone that knows nothing about the series at all.

When did I say anything about "casual fans"? When did I say anything about someone who knows nothing about the series at all? Reading comprehension. I'm talking about viewers in general.

You really live up to your username homie
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known2FAIL posted...

Lol. It's not the same stop it.

They're clearly the same lightning.

We know SS has a gold aura.

Why you changing the subject to aura? This is about lightning.

Nappa didn't have that.

He actually did. Lol:

The concept of SS wasn't even introduced at that point in the series.

But he still didn't look transformed.

The concept of SS being introduced is, like I said, the series telling you things. You shouldn't need the series to tell you anything about how something looks. Decide with your own eyes.

Also, the lightning isn't drawn the same.

They're clearly the same kind of lightning. Not drawn exactly the same, but that has to do with art style, nothing more.
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known2FAIL posted...

1. So you pick a random point in an arc after it's been proven that Vegeta is SS2 to complain about his firm?

My point is that someone could easily mistake him to be SS1 in that scene, because he looks exactly like he does when he's SS1 in that scene.

They drew lightning around SS2 at certain times during fights and when they show off the transformation.

If the thing that is supposed to set it apart from SS1 isn't always present, that's a problem. You should be able to tell it's different from SS1 at any and all times, not only when there's lightning present.

It may be lazy but they don't draw lightning all the time after it's established it's SS2.

Which makes it hard to tell it apart from SS1.

2. You assume he is SS1 in that scene because of the fact that there is no lightning. Sure your average viewer won't know for sure

Mm-hmm. Glad we agree.

The series promptly address it later showing lightning. They even make it very clear when Goku explain SS transformations to fat buu.

If the series actually has to tell you how a form looks, that's a problem. You shouldn't need the series to actually explain you anything about how forms look. One look with your own eyes should be enough.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
• Spikier hair standing on end almost as if hair was growing straight up (get it? cuz SSJ3 hair grew longer).

Almost every SS1 hair go straight up. And longer hair itself doesn't make it look like different form; you'd just look like a long hair SS1.

• Ever present lightning. I'm talking like this shit is lashing out randomly and all over the place. SSJ2 would NOT have a "powered down" mode. That would just simply be FPSSJ.

Lmao dawg artists and animators are not going to draw the lightning all the time. That's just inconvenient. I can't think of a single transformation in this show that always has aura/lightning on at all times.

• Glowing would also be less controlled, unlike SSJ1.

It'd still look the same. SS1 glows as well.

• Eye being a darker green would also foreshadow the pupil that appears in SSJ3.

That's not a foreshadowing. The color of the eyes has nothing to do with the pupil. Furthermore, SS1 eyes have been many shades of green in the franchise. Light green, dark green, blueish green, etc. SS2 having a dark shade of green eyes isn't going to be noticeable.

Besides, red is such a inconsistent color.

The fuck makes a color "inconsistent"?

Super Saiyans have always been green eyes, yellow hair.

And? Changing the eye color entirely would make it easy to see it's a different kind of Super Saiyan, so you wouldn't get it mixed up with SS.

• Facial expression will be sadistic. That's different than anger or rage.

Anyone can make a sadistic facial expression. That doesn't make them look transformed. You don't look transformed when you change your facial expression. Silly logic.

• About muscle definition, I'm just going to address this as I would everything else you're writing off as "varied art style". THAT is the problem with DBZ in general.

It's not. Most every series has various art styles. Not every artist/animator working on a series draws the same way.

It's not the fault of the described form, but the laziness of the animators.

If a design isn't remarkable enough for a bunch of animators to be consistent with, then that is a problem with the design. A design should be distinct enough for people to not screw up drawing.
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known2FAIL posted...

2. Your logic is flawed with the Nappa picture.

No, it ain't dawg

Your logic is "Lightning makes SS2 look like different form to SS1", correct? In other words, "Lightning makes someone look like they're in different form to when they don't have lightning". Arguing that your logic only applies to Super Saiyans is arbitrary.

Nappa don't look like he in a different when have that lightning. You only think lightning makes SS2 look different form to SS1 because someone told you it does.

Also that lightning is not the same type of litghning used for SS2 and you know it.

Clearly look the same.
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You know this scene, guys? *SPOILERS*:

Vegeta's supposed to be SS2. But he has no lightning.

You know this scene:

He's SS1. No lightning.

You think the average viewer is going to assume Vegeta's in a different form in these scenes ... even though literally nothing sets his appearance apart in them?

The only reason you'd know he's in a different form is if someone were tell you. The only reason I know Vegeta's SS2 in the first video is because the story said he was.
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known2FAIL posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

In that picture? Yes.

You're saying that if you didn't already know what Gohan's specific SS1 looked like, you would be able to tell he's SS2 in that picture? That's a lie and you know it. There's absolutely nothing that sets his appearance apart from the other gold haired characters there.

It's easy to tell. The lightening is a dead giveaway. The lightening is a dead giveaway

Even though the lightning isn't always present and SS1 often has lightning as well? Yeah, no. You wouldn't think the lightning signified anything unless someone were to tell you it does. Case in point:


You don't think the lightning makes Nappa look transformed here. You're arbitrarily declaring that lightning makes SS2 look distinct to SS1.
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Laserion posted...

No.

Yes.

Just hair separated into thinner, more abundant spikes for SS2 than it is for SS1

Hair spikiness has absolutely nothing to do with the forms themselves. It only has to do with art style, which changes at random in this series. Not every artist working on the series draws the spikes the same, and Toriyama himself isn't consistent on how he draws hair spikes.

Spikier hair isn't going to make it look like a different form, just like spikier hair doesn't make these pics look like different forms:



The average viewer does not give two fucks about the precise spikiness of hair.

They also use brighter yellow for SS1 and paler yellow for SS2.

lol, no they don't. SS1 and SS2 are the same color.

The shade of yellow used depends on the art style, nothing to do with the forms themselves. Stop clutching at straws dawg.

Red eyes is a simple change that's easy to notice:
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i heard majin buu translates to either of those things in english
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

If I were to redesign SSJ2, I would go with

• No bangs; all hair is spiked up

Still would look SS1 in general. If the average person saw an SS2 that looked like that, they would just assume it a bang-less SS1

• More lightning so that it looks dangerous just standing next to a SSJ2

Lightning ain't noticeable dawg. And what about in scenes where the SS2 is powered down (meaning no lightning nor aura). Form should easy to identify at all times, even when no aura/lightning is present

• More glow (but less than SSJ3)

SS1 can glow too.

• Eye color is a deeper green

Simply changing the shade of the eye color isn't noticeable; color shades vary on art style, too. Just change it entirely. Red would be a good color for the eyes.

• Face has an almost sadistic expression

You can change your facial expression regardless of form. Average viewer will just think it's an SS1 who happens to be angry

• Muscles are more defined

Muscle definition varies on art style.

Basically a more intense SSJ1.

Looking like an intense SS1 is still looking SS1. So it'd be easy to get them mixed up.

Just make the eyes red dawg. SS1 has green eyes. SS2 having red eyes would set it apart easily; one look at the eyes would make it easy to tell it apart from SS1:
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Lightning

Means nothing on its own.

combined with

Combining the lightning with something else doesn't make it any more noticeable.

a hairstyle change

That's the only change you can notice. But even if one's specific SS2 hairstyle is different to their specific SS1 hairstyle, they will still look SS1 in general. SS1 can be variety of hairstyles:



If you did not know what Gohan actual SS1 look like, you will assume him to be SS1 here. Because his specific SS2, while different to his specific SS1, looks SS1 in general.

And some characters' hairstyle don't even change at all! So you don't think SS2 Vegeta look like different form, lmao, glad you admitted that

Just take the L dawg. Even Toriyama admitted the form was forgettable.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Since when did people care what casuals think?

People who aren't nerds. This series isn't even consistent on it and SS1's appearances. SS2 often has no lightning. SS1 has lightning. There is plenty of confusion regarding the forms.

If SS2 had more distinct design, there wouldn't endless arguments like "Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Dabra"

Nobody would mistake Napa for being SS2 because regular super saiyan didn't exist in the story yet.

This isn't about being mistaken for SS2.

Lightning didn't make Nappa look like he was in a different form to base. So why does it lightning suddenly make SS2 look different to SS1? It doesn't; the series only tells you it does. Completely arbitrary.
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Squall28 posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Squall28 posted...

Their hair is like a thousand times spikier.

No it's not. The series is never consistent on hair spikiness; that simply has to do with art style.



Does SS2 Gohan have spikier hair than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks here. lol nope

pls stop making things up.

Goku and Vegeta are SSJ2

lol no they're not

SS2 Goku has fewer bangs:

And there is literally no change to Vegeta's hairstyle as SS2.
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just pick red
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could be good
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any fam members who arent on gamefaqs atm
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Average viewer don't give fuck about lightning

you think all those times SS1 got lightning they thought "OMG NEW FORM"?



He not even SS2 here! no one cares about lightning
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Squall28 posted...

Their hair is like a thousand times spikier.

No it's not. The series is never consistent on hair spikiness; that simply has to do with art style.



Does SS2 Gohan have spikier hair than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks here. lol nope

pls stop making things up.
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I don't hate people who are enjoying life.

I just hate how inferior I feel when I see them enjoy life.
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Welcome back fam
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LightHawKnight posted...

Anyone with half a brain would.

No, they wouldn't. If you weren't told about SS2 having lightning, you wouldn't care about the lightning.

Tell me mun.




do these look like separate forms just because one has lightning and the other doesn't? stop covering your ears!
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you think the average viewer will think "OMG HE TRANSFORMED" just because they see the lightning? LOL
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You don't have to DB fan to know how SS1 look like

Show someone who know SS1 but not SS2 a pic of SS2. They won't think it different form
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Even Toriyama forgot SS2 existed!
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there is no change in facial expression. SS2 has the same face as SS1
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