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Harebrayne is a top tier defendant. Love that guy.

I really like the designs of the G2-3 jury. I think the corn girl is the only miss. I do slightly wish the foreman is a former character, but eh, the well is kinda small to draw from at this point.

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"[Freud] started his scientific career by trying to explain the sexuality of a fish. And he failed."

I like Shanna a lot, but this is a pretty boring design.

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I haven't watched many westerns at all, but I always conceptually liked westerns. Only watched Django Unchained and GBU on this list, though.

I did however watch The Sisters Brothers a few days ago and I really liked it. I thought the acting from the four main actors were really good. Somehow, Joaquin Phoenix was the weakest link. I also really liked the daily living activities. I notice I tend to enjoy that more and more in movies; scenes where the action slows down and you see these mundane things that give you a look into what the characters' lives are like.

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Yeah, I love the G2-3 characters and their themes. I wish Drebber's music played more often!

I'll offer up 4-2 because I like the Kitakis, Trucy, and Klavier's theme, but those are mostly main character themes being so good. G2-3 and 3-2 feel a little more unique since their one-off characters with really good themes.

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I only brought up Story Mode because it seems like people either forgot that it existed or don't feel they need to use it. The second is fine. The first is just a reminder because it helped me enjoy the game more.

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I can give examples because I used Story Mode in just a few cases.

G2-3 The final testimony with Sithe and Drebber where the contradiction is about the blood wound and the stab. I'm glad I turned it on there because I don't think I would have ever gotten it. I already game overed once with all 5 penalties and I actually thought the contradiction was on Drebber rather than Sithe.

G2-5 Several instances in the final day especially when switching back and forth to the various murders in the past. Like I said, I have no interest in figuring out which of 5-7 relevant pieces of evidence best fits the question and I was already kinda stressed for time and just wanted to close the case out. Again, I only turned on Story Mode after getting a game over.

While I didn't turn it on for it, the first testimony of G2-5 is another solid example of turning on Story Mode because the contradiction is so minor and is not even satisfying to find. And I'm really only advocating the use of Story Mode when you're getting frustrated and to really use it as an anti-frustration feature first-and-foremost.

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"[Freud] started his scientific career by trying to explain the sexuality of a fish. And he failed."

anyone who's complaining about the difficulty of the cases is being stubborn and not even trying out story mode which would have taken away a lot of the frustration

ace attorney is already pretty much a visual novel and there is just not a lot of joy in figuring out which of 6 similar evidence best fits the question being asked

that's the hill I'm gonna die on

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I'm loving all the references to Holmes' stories. Some of them, I had no idea. Toby the dog felt like a natural nickname to Tobias Gregson.

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Regarding G2-2, I think I have a theory on what happened there.

Someone mentioned that they could not figure out why G1-4 and G2-2 were split into 2 different cases. I was gnawing on that for a while and I think it was actually 1 entire case and was meant to be the 4th case in GAA1. Day 1 was supposed to go on as normal with Soseki being declared innocent. Day 2 starts off with Shamspeare's murder, Soseki getting put into jail again, and ending with Green coming back.

I think the big issue here is pacing. G2-2 is a 2 day case, so if you combine that with G1-4, you get a 3 day case, something not seen since PW1. I think they had too many ideas with G2-2 (i.e. Shamspeare's murder) and just decided to make it its own case. But it couldn't be the finale Case 5 of GAA1 because...uh...it doesn't have any gravitas for a final case. And it couldn't be Case 1 of GAA2 because it doesn't really feel like a Case 1 and loses some classic Case 1 archetypes (prosecutor Payne, trial-only segment, etc.)

So there you have it. Due to pacing issues, G1-4 was meant to be 1 case. It had too many ideas for its own good, so it split into 2 cases and the second case literally could not be done until G2-2.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Where was he in AA5 and AA6

Why did Scruffy get snubbed

if I had to guess, it's because gumshoe's role as detective has just been scrubbed so much. Mild GAA1 spoilers.one thing I really loved in GAA is the detective role is kinda split between Sholmes and Gregson. Sholmes is your friendly helpful detective with the cool investigation gimmicks and Gregson is...friendly to your face, but a lot more ambiguous where he stands. You might forget it, but Gumshoe doesn't feel like a true pal until he literally saves your life at the end of 1-3. After that, Gumshoe basically becomes a friendly and lovable part of the main cast and every detective since then follows the same footsteps. I feel a lot of GAA characters really benefit from taking classic AA archetypes and splitting them into 2 or 3 or 4 way more developed characters.

I can't wait to finish GAA and go through entire character and case rankings. I have so much to say!

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colliding posted...

AA7 ends with a scene where nick finally gets to "present" a ring to a waifu/edgeworth of your choice. Gumshoe is your best man.

holy shit, I actually really love this idea lol

they won't have the balls to do it though. you basically gotta bring back Iris and somehow excuse the fact that phoenix basically went an entire decade without mentioning her once

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Man I mean vanilla and you know it!

Boy 6-6 sure is a forgettable case though, huh? 5-6 easily takes the cake there. Plus major spite towards 6-6 for shading Athena, which most of that game does which is the main reason I don't have it in second place. Give me my Athena Cykes game!

I feel like 6-6 might be better on a replay. It's a weird case because it has Case 3 Syndrome (wacky case that's filler in the main plot) but it's DLC. But there's no real good place to play the DLC case because the game is so tight. 6-4 in itself is kind of a filler case anyways and 2 clearly filler cases back-to-back feels gross.

I think the strat might be to play 6-6 after finishing SOJ, but like......very long after. Because 6-5 is so much to digest and playing 6-6 right after it showcases its weaknesses hardcore. I do have to give 6-6 props (SOJ minor spoilers) for being the only case in SOJ to have Maya as Phoenix's investigation partner. What's the point of Maya being back without classic Phoenix/Maya banter!

also I love Athena, I really do. I don't know if making Athena a big part of AA7 is the play, but it's something I'm hopeful for. GAA has shown me a lot about the importance of patience, so maybe Athena deserves her own trilogy...!

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I'm still in the middle of GAA2 (just finished G2-4 day 1), so I don't want to touch this too much, but I feel very confident in this game ranking:

3 = G2 > 1 > 6 > E2 > Layton > 2 > 5 > G1 > 4 > E1

AA is my favorite game series and, honestly, more like my favorite entertainment media. PW3 is incredible, but GAA2 just feels on another level, especially now that I'm much older and have had more experience trying out different story-based games like Danganronpa, Zero Escape, Undertale, etc. One of the things I really love about Ace Attorney is that it has so much heart and sophistication behind the writing. This is very obvious with the Original Trilogy. It's something that other VNs get every now and then but AA has such a consistent level of quality that it astounds me. Out of 55 cases, I think I only really dislike a handful of them. That's insane.

One thing that really bothers me about DD is the writing feels really sloppy. 5-3 and 5-5 spoilers. This is most obvious with the "dark age of the law." I really can't stand it. It's so vague, but also so central to the main finale of the game that it drives me crazy. It reminds me so much of Danganronpa's Most Terrible Despair-Inducing Awful Event in the World or some shit. How am I expected to take it seriously and with the gravitas the plot demands when it doesn't even seem to take itself seriously? The Phantom is the weakest "main villain" in every game by a mile and defeating him feels so hollow. It's why DD ranks so low even though I generally like every single case in DD except 5-1. It's so interesting, because SOJ has the exact opposite problem: only 2 real stand-out cases but much better writing and story all around.

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I really need to get through these write-ups when I have the time. I love Mega Man music and I love your write-ups.

I think Dark Man is still in? I always really loved that song and I could never verbalize why. Glad to see it.

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"[Freud] started his scientific career by trying to explain the sexuality of a fish. And he failed."

I really liked Shamspeare, but I fully admit that I'm a big fan of that archetype and I expect many other people not to be. He just reminds me of my friend's D&D bard character in so many ways.

I also like his theme song a lot

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I spent the entire case trying to figure out what Odie Asman's pun was and you got it in minutes.

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I love Auchi in G2-1. It's nice to have his serious side in G1-1 and then his joke side in G2-1.

Menimemo...and really G2-1 as a whole kinda reminds me of Wellington and 2-1. It's a simple, but fast case with a culprit with fun animations. I feel like I would have loved Menimemo if I played a few years ago. He's just OK. Great animations though.

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"[Freud] started his scientific career by trying to explain the sexuality of a fish. And he failed."

Yeah, protagonist gets a lot. Along with spoken words, you also get all their thoughts too.

I'm not exactly sure how incorrect dialogue is handled, because there's a ton more added to GAA than other games. Scuse me, summation examination, and dance of deduction all adds a ton of unique incorrect dialogue.

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DD in general likes to believe AJ doesn't exist

I'm fine with no jury content in DD and SOJ. It doesn't really fit either theme of the game, anyways. That said, I'd be OK with the jury coming back in AA7, especially with how it's implemented in GAA2. I'm not sure how they're going to twist themselves lore-wise to do that, but it's Ace Attorney. That's what they're skilled at.

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I'm not a really big fan of the "cold but vulnerable woman finally smiling after winning the case" archetype in PW, but Gina did a number on me.

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Eh, yeah, 3-2 has its flaws, but I don't really care. I love Ron, I love Atmey, and I love the set-up of the crime too much.

E2-2, if it was more polished, would probably be my top Case 2. Unfortunately, it's definitely a case that suffers from dialogue bloat and a lack of charisma among the characters.

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I would take 4-3 over DR1-3 and DR2-3 without a question

at least 4-3 has the sound board

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5-2's great because it has such a strong and memorable introduction to Blackquill and the murder mystery is surprisingly really good. I feel like I like it more on each playthrough I do of it.

Case 2 is definitely more and more of the weak link as the series goes on. 3-2, 5-2, and G2-2 are my favorites right now.

I always thought Case 3 syndrome is more about the case being in a weird non-traditional setting than it being bad!

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LeonhartFour posted...

The Skulkin brothers are great, and they feel like obvious parodies of Mario and Luigi. I guess Gregson would be Wario, and Benedict would be...Waluigi...?

I love the Skulkin Brothers. I didnt realize until midway through the case that theyre also Godfather parodies with their fruits and their music.

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Gatekeeper is everything I could have hoped for

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Dels posted...

This game's cases don't adhere to the usual format, so it's hard to compare them by number.

Case 1 is a case 1.

Case 2 is like, a prologue.

Case 3 is like a case 1 again. Maybe a case 4 like T&T's.

Case 4 is like a case 2.

And case 5 is like, a case 3 like AAI's or SoJ's where it's involved and has big plot relevance and stakes for the main characters, but not like an actual epic case.

I'm hoping GAA2 will have something that actually feels like we've reached cases 4 and 5!

Yeah, treating GAA like any other Ace Attorney game where you rank it by case just feels like a fool's errand. It's technically right, but it's not really.

It definitely makes me want to do a character ranking, though, because I love the characters of GAA a ton! It's really what makes G1-5 sing. It's kinda like 2-4 in that it just sorta glues all the characters together and develops them: Phoenix, Maya, Gumshoe, Edgeworth, Franziska. I remember really loving the PW cast after 2-4. G1-5 is the same but for Ryunosuke, Susato, Sholmes, Iris, Gina, van Zieks, and Gregson.

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Glad to hear you liked Case 5! It really did save GAA1 for me. I'd probably put GAA1 a little above AJ and AAI1, possibly above DD too. A good finale case goes a loooong way, which is something those 3 games definitely lacked in.

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"[Freud] started his scientific career by trying to explain the sexuality of a fish. And he failed."

He's just a tourist who wants to wisit the Crystal Tower.

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is it possible to turn on story mode for a few moments and turn it back off? GAA can be pretty cryptic at times, especially during investigations

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Just finished G2-2. Depending on how the rest of GAA2 goes, this might actually be as good as PW3. If youre a huge Ace Attorney fan, I really think you need to try GAA2, regardless of your opinion on GAA1.

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G1-4 being longer than 5-6 hurts my brain

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LeonhartFour posted...

Brown suit and hat with the blue bowtie dude. He almost looks like Lay D. Furst, but it's definitely a different guy.

Yeah, I like that guy. He reminds me of the spiky hair guy in Quiplash. Very plucky.

My thoughts on multiple witnesses and Summation Examinations is that they wanted to keep the spirit of cross-examinations but not in a way that can be solved through cross-examination. You have evidence and contradictions, its just presented to the player in a different way. I like the new ideas but I wish they were more explored and less of an alternate solution, if you follow me.

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Dels posted...

also i wouldn't say it's that simple to do it well

like, if i recall, lost odyssey had this but it was the most basic execution of it, just a single timed hit for normal attacks, and it wasn't very satisfying at all. mario RPGs work so well because there's all sorts of variety to it and they really make you feel the impact viscerally. just adding a timed circle to a normal attack doesn't actually feel very good.

there's also YIIK which makes every single action in a battle into a minigame

it makes normal battles really long

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Also there's no more novelty and the stuff that drew people to the first movie besides that like Will Smith, Batman and The Joker are MIA. Plus this movie is rated R which I was not even aware of, yet cost $185 million to make, probably because there's a CGI character featured prominently? And there are like no big names in the movie - Margot Robbie just isn't a leading lady and what's the last hit Stallone headlined that wasn't a Rocky or Expendables movie?

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GAA1 beaten. Overall, OK game but I feel pretty good on the game in retrospect. Quick thoughts on each case.

Case 1 - Good intro case thats a little too long. I love Auchi and Kazuma. Very strong intro to Ryonusuke too.
Case 2 - Not a good case but it makes more sense thinking of this case as a Dance of Deduction intro case. Sholmes saves this case from being bottom 5.
Case 3 - Great case, only held back that its basically the third intro case, this time just for summation examination. I love the intrigue and how much it sets up the rest of the plot.
Case 4 - Yikes, this is 6-4 but without any of the fun. Easy bottom 5 case.
Case 5 - Really great finale case without actually being too difficult. Its a hell of a slow burn but its sooooo worth it. Honestly gave me 2-4 vibes. Easy too 10 case, only held back by the fact that this isnt technically a finale and a still pretty simple murder mystery.

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It was above average. Its a weird dynamic because the first one was SO bad. If this was the first one, I might have been pretty happy with it.

Honesty, the Harley stuff feels like the lowest point of the movie.

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honestly you can probably just describe them by their gimmick

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Immune: Miles Edgeworth (Ace Attorney)
Boot: Mario (Super Mario Bros.)

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G1-2 is longer than G1-1? Huh.

And G1-2 Middle is the shortest segment in the series.

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Immune: Missile (Ghost Trick)
Boot: Alucard (Castlevania)

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Immune: Miles Edgeworth (Ace Attorney)
Boot: Mario (Super Mario Bros.)

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Immune: Aerith Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Boot: Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII)

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6/10

I'm surprised how much I don't remember the story. I think it was an interesting and fresh idea, but yeah, the execution is really lacking.

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MZero posted...

you lost me at visual novel

still the greatest? I agree!

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the OT (and especially PW1) does not waste your time

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Here's how I did it.

Golden Deer (1st) - Standard playthrough.
Blue Lions (2nd) - More experimentation with classes and units.
Black Eagles (3rd) - DLC run with DLC classes and units.

Normal/Casual for 1st, Hard/Casual for 2nd and 3rd.

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glad to know that other people liked this game's story too. it definitely made a mark on me. I'm a sucker for those "revisiting the series' past" stories anyways.

Past games:

Disco Elysium - 10
Sonic 2006 - 3.5

Just finished DE a few days ago. Easy 10 here. I don't think there's anything I need to explain here. Sonic 06's story is bad, but not that bad. There's definitely some good ideas in there. The fact that the ending makes the entire game non-canon is also just brilliant, though perhaps in an unintended way. At the very least, it needs to beat FE Fates...!

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- Instead of an attorney's badge, we have a collar pin to indicate we're a student. Just glad we have these forms of ID available to us.

And it's shaped like the Ace Attorney logo!

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this is a pretty good top 3

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