Board 8 > The critics say Yes! to Suicide Squad

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MoogleKupo141 08/08/21 11:37:00 PM #51:	Mongal is such a weird choice. its hard for me to see this super powerful space lady concerning herself with knocking time off her earth prison sentence. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:956909655] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mongal is such a weird choice. its hard for me to see this super powerful space lady concerning herself with knocking time off her earth prison sentence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 08/08/21 11:59:40 PM #52:	bryans7 posted... ~~Plus I got a live-action Starro the Conqueror and Arm-Fall-Off Boy, I could never completely hate it. Arm-Fall-Off Boy. Insane.~~ Is that his actual comic name? --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:956910140] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>bryans7 posted... </cite> <quote>Plus I got a live-action Starro the Conqueror and Arm-Fall-Off Boy, I could never completely hate it. Arm-Fall-Off Boy. Insane.</quote>Is that his actual comic name? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 08/09/21 12:35:19 AM #53:	Yeah. The comics version is a pretty different situation (not a criminal, lives in the future and in space(?)), but the basic premise of guy with removable arms is the same. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:956910840] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. The comics version is a pretty different situation (not a criminal, lives in the future and in space(?)), but the basic premise of guy with removable arms is the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 08/09/21 2:30:01 AM #54:	How funny and silly. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:956912524] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>How funny and silly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/09/21 5:57:06 PM #55:	So I'm reading that Yondu's actor plays Savant in the movie and Mantis's actor cameos in the strip club scene. Now I'm wondering if the oddball choices like Mongal and Weasel are specifically meant to be digs at GotG (as stand-ins for Gamora and Rocket). Maybe I'm overthinking it, but in that case who are the stand-ins for Drax and Starlord? TDK and Pete Davidson? edit: okay apparently Gunn's brother does mocap for both Rocket and Weasel, and Bautista was almost cast as someone, so I am definitely not overthinking it --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956931313] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>So I'm reading that Yondu's actor plays Savant in the movie and Mantis's actor cameos in the strip club scene. Now I'm wondering if the oddball choices like Mongal and Weasel are specifically meant to be digs at GotG (as stand-ins for Gamora and Rocket). Maybe I'm overthinking it, but in that case who are the stand-ins for Drax and Starlord? TDK and Pete Davidson? edit: okay apparently Gunn's brother does mocap for both Rocket and Weasel, and Bautista was almost cast as someone, so I am definitely not overthinking it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/09/21 6:22:39 PM #56:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... So I'm reading that Yondu's actor plays Savant in the movie and Mantis's actor cameos in the strip club scene. Now I'm wondering if the oddball choices like Mongal and Weasel are specifically meant to be digs at GotG (as stand-ins for Gamora and Rocket). Maybe I'm overthinking it, but in that case who are the stand-ins for Drax and Starlord? TDK and Pete Davidson? edit: okay apparently Gunn's brother does mocap for both Rocket and Weasel, and Bautista was almost cast as someone, so I am definitely not overthinking it I think you are overthinking it a bit. Gunn's brother is involved in his projects because he's obviously very easy for him to get and he's experienced. Likewise, Bautista was almost cast at the time because he wanted to work with Gunn more and at the time it seemed like GotG3 wasn't going to happen due to Disney firing Gunn. Gunn's obviously going to push to get people he likes working with cast in his movies, as any director does. It's not impossible, but the characters are there for about a blink of an eye so it seems weird to think it's an intentional dig when it's basically over so fast. EDIT: Oh. Apparently Gunn already said Weasel is based on Bill the Cat from the Bloom County comic strip. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:956932114] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>So I'm reading that Yondu's actor plays Savant in the movie and Mantis's actor cameos in the strip club scene. Now I'm wondering if the oddball choices like Mongal and Weasel are specifically meant to be digs at GotG (as stand-ins for Gamora and Rocket). Maybe I'm overthinking it, but in that case who are the stand-ins for Drax and Starlord? TDK and Pete Davidson? edit: okay apparently Gunn's brother does mocap for both Rocket and Weasel, and Bautista was almost cast as someone, so I am definitely not overthinking it</quote> I think you are overthinking it a bit. Gunn's brother is involved in his projects because he's obviously very easy for him to get and he's experienced. Likewise, Bautista was almost cast at the time because he wanted to work with Gunn more and at the time it seemed like GotG3 wasn't going to happen due to Disney firing Gunn. Gunn's obviously going to push to get people he likes working with cast in his movies, as any director does. It's not impossible, but the characters are there for about a blink of an eye so it seems weird to think it's an intentional dig when it's basically over so fast. EDIT: Oh. Apparently Gunn already said Weasel is based on Bill the Cat from the Bloom County comic strip. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/09/21 7:14:51 PM #57:	None of that is mutually exclusive, in fact I'd say the fact that they don't stick around long to be part of the point. And really it's Mongal that's the sticking point here. It's hard to stress how little sense it makes that she's here and how much MORE sense it makes if she's a Gamora expy. She's a jobber in the comics, but a jobber on par with Superman and Wonder Woman, so no real reason to be on the Squad. She and Gamora even have similar backstories - both are daughters of an intergalactic despot with a sibling rivalry. Her existence implies her much more notorious father and brother exist, which doesn't even matter for the DCEU. It's a pretty good joke! --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956933612] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>None of that is mutually exclusive, in fact I'd say the fact that they don't stick around long to be part of the point. And really it's Mongal that's the sticking point here. It's hard to stress how little sense it makes that she's here and how much MORE sense it makes if she's a Gamora expy. She's a jobber in the comics, but a jobber on par with Superman and Wonder Woman, so no real reason to be on the Squad. She and Gamora even have similar backstories - both are daughters of an intergalactic despot with a sibling rivalry. Her existence implies her much more notorious father and brother exist, which doesn't even matter for the DCEU. It's a pretty good joke! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xenosaga 08/09/21 7:19:15 PM #58:	Couldn't think of who Weasel reminded me of but it finally hit me: the Sonic from the first movie trailer. --- thcam ruz elliw red <cite>xenosaga posted [p:956933764] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Couldn't think of who Weasel reminded me of but it finally hit me: the Sonic from the first movie trailer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/09/21 7:24:29 PM #59:	i think james gunn casts sean gunn in most of his movies. he was definitely in super. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956933925] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>i think james gunn casts sean gunn in most of his movies. he was definitely in super. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/10/21 1:26:21 AM #60:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... She's a jobber in the comics, but a jobber on par with Superman and Wonder Woman, so no real reason to be on the Squad. I think this is quite literally the point. She's on a much higher level, power-wise, than the others, so throwing her in just for the role that she had is likely the extent of the joke. Either way, the theory falls apart since Weasel was specifically based on something else, not Rocket. I think you're trying to meta a bit too hard, here, since nothing actually in the movie itself points to them being some GotG meta joke at all. EDIT: Ultimately, it kinda stops at the fact that Gunn likes using several of the same actors in most of his movies. He's worked with Michael Rooker and Seann Gunn a lot. Nathan Fillion, too. The first two weren't picked because of GotG, they were picked because he likes working with them. That's also why they're in GotG. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:956943008] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>She's a jobber in the comics, but a jobber on par with Superman and Wonder Woman, so no real reason to be on the Squad.</quote> I think this is quite literally the point. She's on a much higher level, power-wise, than the others, so throwing her in just for the role that she had is likely the extent of the joke. Either way, the theory falls apart since Weasel was specifically based on something else, not Rocket. I think you're trying to meta a bit too hard, here, since nothing actually in the movie itself points to them being some GotG meta joke at all. EDIT: Ultimately, it kinda stops at the fact that Gunn likes using several of the same actors in most of his movies. He's worked with Michael Rooker and Seann Gunn a lot. Nathan Fillion, too. The first two weren't picked because of GotG, they were picked because he likes working with them. That's also why they're in GotG. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/10/21 2:06:01 AM #61:	I had a good time with The Squad - it was an enjoyable enough romp for what it was. Honestly, I wish it had gone further than it did. It wasn't out there enough for me, personally. I had a couple other minor hang-ups with how we seem to be presenting the Squad as a whole - Waller yelling, for example, really felt out-of-character. After all, this is a woman who has watched her family be gunned down one-by-one in pointless street crime. I think origins of her character really don't lean to her being callous about innocent lives or being quite so politically gung-ho. In Checkmate, she is certainly more protective of American interests, but even there she has global interests at heart. She certainly makes morally gray decisions, but I've always read her (in the context of the morality of the time of a comics' publication) as oddly heroic. Here, her behavior just rubbed me the wrong way. I also think more Harley needed to be cut from the film. The arc should have been the arc of a javelin, with Harley along for the ride, honestly. That five-minute hold-up with her Corto Maltesan boyfriend just did zippo for me. That said, I think this was definitely a step in the right direction for a Suicide Squad movie. Raunchy and irreverent and ultimately touching on a few interests themes that I think will be cool to explore in Peacemaker's series. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:956943596] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>I had a good time with The Squad - it was an enjoyable enough romp for what it was. Honestly, I wish it had gone further than it did. It wasn't out there enough for me, personally. I had a couple other minor hang-ups with how we seem to be presenting the Squad as a whole - Waller yelling, for example, really felt out-of-character. After all, this is a woman who has watched her family be gunned down one-by-one in pointless street crime. I think origins of her character really don't lean to her being callous about innocent lives or being quite so politically gung-ho. In Checkmate, she is certainly more protective of American interests, but even there she has global interests at heart. She certainly makes morally gray decisions, but I've always read her (in the context of the morality of the time of a comics' publication) as oddly heroic. Here, her behavior just rubbed me the wrong way. I also think more Harley needed to be cut from the film. The arc should have been the arc of a javelin, with Harley along for the ride, honestly. That five-minute hold-up with her Corto Maltesan boyfriend just did zippo for me. That said, I think this was definitely a step in the right direction for a Suicide Squad movie. Raunchy and irreverent and ultimately touching on a few interests themes that I think will be cool to explore in Peacemaker's series. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/10/21 2:12:21 AM #62:	Everything about the Harley romance stuff, and that character existing in the first place, was just pointless and could have completely been ripped from the movie at no consequence. There is no reason you can't just cut from Harley getting captured to her being tortured. The "young hip leader" whatever his name was served no purpose and it could have just been the general. The more cynical part of me feels like the entire sequence exists purely to push against the narrative Harley is going through in just about ever other medium right now and give her a big case of the not-gays. Probably getting a bit too tinfoil hat there, though. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:956943671] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Everything about the Harley romance stuff, and that character existing in the first place, was just pointless and could have completely been ripped from the movie at no consequence. There is no reason you can't just cut from Harley getting captured to her being tortured. The "young hip leader" whatever his name was served no purpose and it could have just been the general. The more cynical part of me feels like the entire sequence exists purely to push against the narrative Harley is going through in just about ever other medium right now and give her a big case of the not-gays. Probably getting a bit too tinfoil hat there, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 08/10/21 7:55:03 AM #63:	So this movie is a box-office flop? --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:956947546] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>So this movie is a box-office flop? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 08/10/21 8:11:03 AM #64:	I mean most people are probably watching it on HBO Max and not going to the theater especially with the pandemic worsening by the day --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:956947798] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>I mean most people are probably watching it on HBO Max and not going to the theater especially with the pandemic worsening by the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/10/21 10:38:07 AM #65:	Harley ~~shooting the general and saying she'd promised herself she'd murder her next boyfriend at the first sign of any red flags~~ was one of the funniest jokes in the movie so hard disagree on cutting that scene. I think what is happening here is that Margot Robbie's Harley doesn't have broad appeal, so you guys may not see it, but I see a ton of love for her elsewhere. Also Harley is canonically bisexual which mean, yes, she will occasionally be interested in men. Which is not to say they shouldn't put her with Ivy in live action (Margot Robbie herself pushes for this btw), but just that bisexuality does in fact be like that. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956950930] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Harley shooting the general and saying she'd promised herself she'd murder her next boyfriend at the first sign of any red flags was one of the funniest jokes in the movie so hard disagree on cutting that scene. I think what is happening here is that Margot Robbie's Harley doesn't have broad appeal, so you guys may not see it, but I see a ton of love for her elsewhere. Also Harley is canonically bisexual which mean, yes, she will occasionally be interested in men. Which is not to say they shouldn't put her with Ivy in live action (Margot Robbie herself pushes for this btw), but just that bisexuality does in fact be like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/10/21 10:45:41 AM #66:	Oh and as for why the general even exists, this movie is gesturing loudly but vaguely at real-world politics, though it's pretty confused and doesn't really have a clear message about it. But all I'll say is, it is very interesting that they had the anti-American coup leader that the Squad came to ruin legitimately be a naive idealist and hopeless romantic before handing the power over to his more ruthless and militaristic subordinates. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956951118] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Oh and as for why the general even exists, this movie is gesturing loudly but vaguely at real-world politics, though it's pretty confused and doesn't really have a clear message about it. But all I'll say is, it is very interesting that they had the anti-American coup leader that the Squad came to ruin legitimately be a naive idealist and hopeless romantic before handing the power over to his more ruthless and militaristic subordinates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 08/10/21 10:53:32 AM #67:	Ok, I must be dumb. What is everyones problem with Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:956951297] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Ok, I must be dumb. What is everyones problem with Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/10/21 10:54:57 AM #68:	redrocket posted... Ok, I must be dumb. What is everyones problem with Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn? I don't know if anyone has a problem with the actress so much as they feel Harley has been overplayed (between being the "star" of the original Suicide Squad, to getting her own movie that wasn't universally praised, to being a part of this film, when she didn't necessarily need to be in it.) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:956951334] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>Ok, I must be dumb. What is everyones problem with Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn?</quote> I don't know if anyone has a problem with the actress so much as they feel Harley has been overplayed (between being the "star" of the original Suicide Squad, to getting her own movie that wasn't universally praised, to being a part of this film, when she didn't necessarily need to be in it.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 08/10/21 11:04:37 AM #69:	Inviso posted... I don't know if anyone has a problem with the actress so much as they feel Harley has been overplayed (between being the "star" of the original Suicide Squad, to getting her own movie that wasn't universally praised, to being a part of this film, when she didn't necessarily need to be in it.) what Ok, what Im taking from this is that people just dont like her character, since there are many, many comic book characters who have appeared in more than checks notes three movies without anyone complaining they were overplayed. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:956951586] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know if anyone has a problem with the actress so much as they feel Harley has been overplayed (between being the "star" of the original Suicide Squad, to getting her own movie that wasn't universally praised, to being a part of this film, when she didn't necessarily need to be in it.)</quote> what Ok, what Im taking from this is that people just dont like her character, since there are many, many comic book characters who have appeared in more than checks notes three movies without anyone complaining they were overplayed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 11:10:25 AM #70:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Also Harley is canonically bisexual which mean, yes, she will occasionally be interested in men. Which is not to say they shouldn't put her with Ivy in live action (Margot Robbie herself pushes for this btw), but just that bisexuality does in fact be like that. i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway. i'm a lot more bothered by the way they handled loki in his show, where they gave him a completely heteronormative relationship and just mentioned him being bi once in a throwaway line. god forbid we ever see a male superhero (or villain) in a relationship with another guy. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956951729] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Also Harley is canonically bisexual which mean, yes, she will occasionally be interested in men. Which is not to say they shouldn't put her with Ivy in live action (Margot Robbie herself pushes for this btw), but just that bisexuality does in fact be like that.</quote> i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway. i'm a lot more bothered by the way they handled loki in his show, where they gave him a completely heteronormative relationship and just mentioned him being bi once in a throwaway line. god forbid we ever see a male superhero (or villain) in a relationship with another guy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 11:12:46 AM #71:	i personally think harley quinn works best in small doses (in other words, having her in a 22 minute episode of a batman TAS episode is fine). in a feature length movie, she gets on my nerves after awhile. haven't seen suicide squad 2 yet but that was part of the reason why i didn't like birds of prey. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956951795] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>i personally think harley quinn works best in small doses (in other words, having her in a 22 minute episode of a batman TAS episode is fine). in a feature length movie, she gets on my nerves after awhile. haven't seen suicide squad 2 yet but that was part of the reason why i didn't like birds of prey. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/10/21 11:18:15 AM #72:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway. We already have one lesbian relationship, who cares about another? lol? redrocket posted... what Ok, what Im taking from this is that people just dont like her character, since there are many, many comic book characters who have appeared in more than checks notes three movies without anyone complaining they were overplayed. For me, I don't particularly find Diet Deadpool Harley Quinn all that interesting. She isn't like your Batmans or your Supermans who actually have depth you can build a film around. They literally made up a character for Harley so she could have one scene where they pretend she has any real depth to her character before moving on. Compare her to, say, even the Harley Quinn cartoon version of Harley. Tremendously more interesting there. In here, she's just... a glorified meme machine, really. She just felt really hamfisted into this one and out of place, and considering this team, that says a lot. It's hard for me to dump on it too much, because I think there's a lot of wasted potential with development of characters in this movie, but I've found Harley to just be so boring in all three of them even if she has a few good lines in each film. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:956951941] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway.</quote>We already have one lesbian relationship, who cares about another? lol? redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>what Ok, what Im taking from this is that people just dont like her character, since there are many, many comic book characters who have appeared in more than checks notes three movies without anyone complaining they were overplayed.</quote>For me, I don't particularly find Diet Deadpool Harley Quinn all that interesting. She isn't like your Batmans or your Supermans who actually have depth you can build a film around. They literally made up a character for Harley so she could have one scene where they pretend she has any real depth to her character before moving on. Compare her to, say, even the Harley Quinn cartoon version of Harley. Tremendously more interesting there. In here, she's just... a glorified meme machine, really. She just felt really hamfisted into this one and out of place, and considering this team, that says a lot. It's hard for me to dump on it too much, because I think there's a lot of wasted potential with development of characters in this movie, but I've found Harley to just be so boring in all three of them even if she has a few good lines in each film. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 11:24:58 AM #73:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... We already have one lesbian relationship, who cares about another? lol? uh, yes? i'm all for harley being in a lesbian relationship, just saying it wouldn't be super groundbreaking and meaningful at this point. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956952099] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>We already have one lesbian relationship, who cares about another? lol?</quote> uh, yes? i'm all for harley being in a lesbian relationship, just saying it wouldn't be super groundbreaking and meaningful at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/10/21 11:28:38 AM #74:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway. i'm a lot more bothered by the way they handled loki in his show, where they gave him a completely heteronormative relationship and just mentioned him being bi once in a throwaway line. god forbid we ever see a male superhero (or villain) in a relationship with another guy. Doom Patrol is a fantastic show. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:956952190] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i don't really care if harley hooks up with a chick tbqh. we already have negasonic teenage warhead anyway. i'm a lot more bothered by the way they handled loki in his show, where they gave him a completely heteronormative relationship and just mentioned him being bi once in a throwaway line. god forbid we ever see a male superhero (or villain) in a relationship with another guy.</quote> Doom Patrol is a fantastic show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/10/21 11:35:24 AM #75:	Mr Lasastryke posted... uh, yes? i'm all for harley being in a lesbian relationship, just saying it wouldn't be super groundbreaking and meaningful at this point. First off, I forgot that Negasonic Teenage Warhead was a lesbian in that movie and I saw it twice. Second, who cares if it's groundbreaking and meaningful? It should just be a regular thing they throw in there, if anything. It should be treated as normal and not something special. The Harley Quinn cartoon, for instance, does a great job of it without treating it like this groundbreaking thing. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:956952378] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>uh, yes? i'm all for harley being in a lesbian relationship, just saying it wouldn't be super groundbreaking and meaningful at this point.</quote>First off, I forgot that Negasonic Teenage Warhead was a lesbian in that movie and I saw it twice. Second, who cares if it's groundbreaking and meaningful? It should just be a regular thing they throw in there, if anything. It should be treated as normal and not something special. The Harley Quinn cartoon, for instance, does a great job of it without treating it like this groundbreaking thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 08/10/21 11:43:40 AM #76:	ninkendo posted... I mean most people are probably watching it on HBO Max and not going to the theater especially with the pandemic worsening by the day Also there's no more novelty and the stuff that drew people to the first movie besides that like Will Smith, Batman and The Joker are MIA. Plus this movie is rated R which I was not even aware of, yet cost $185 million to make, probably because there's a CGI character featured prominently? And there are like no big names in the movie - Margot Robbie just isn't a leading lady and what's the last hit Stallone headlined that wasn't a Rocky or Expendables movie? It also just struck me that Birds of Prey has the 4th-highest Rotten Tomatoes score of the DCEU. Wow. I get the feeling these last few DCEU movies were greenlit hoping the brand would be stronger by now which suffice to say has not happened yet. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:956952568] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>ninkendo posted... </cite> <quote>I mean most people are probably watching it on HBO Max and not going to the theater especially with the pandemic worsening by the day</quote> Also there's no more novelty and the stuff that drew people to the first movie besides that like Will Smith, Batman and The Joker are MIA. Plus this movie is rated R which I was not even aware of, yet cost $185 million to make, probably because there's a CGI character featured prominently? And there are like no big names in the movie - Margot Robbie just isn't a leading lady and what's the last hit Stallone headlined that wasn't a Rocky or Expendables movie? It also just struck me that Birds of Prey has the 4th-highest Rotten Tomatoes score of the DCEU. Wow. I get the feeling these last few DCEU movies were greenlit hoping the brand would be stronger by now which suffice to say has not happened yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSBM_Guy 08/10/21 11:44:49 AM #77:	LinkMarioSamus posted... Also there's no more novelty and the stuff that drew people to the first movie besides that like Will Smith, Batman and The Joker are MIA. Plus this movie is rated R which I was not even aware of, yet cost $185 million to make, probably because there's a CGI character featured prominently? And there are like no big names in the movie - Margot Robbie just isn't a leading lady and what's the last hit Stallone headlined that wasn't a Rocky or Expendables movie? what --- Bitto I feel completely refreshed. Like I just put on fresh underwear on New Year's Day. <cite>SSBM_Guy posted [p:956952607] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote>Also there's no more novelty and the stuff that drew people to the first movie besides that like Will Smith, Batman and The Joker are MIA. Plus this movie is rated R which I was not even aware of, yet cost $185 million to make, probably because there's a CGI character featured prominently? And there are like no big names in the movie - Margot Robbie just isn't a leading lady and what's the last hit Stallone headlined that wasn't a Rocky or Expendables movie?</quote> what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 08/10/21 11:48:32 AM #78:	LinkMarioSamus posted... So this movie is a box-office flop? This is 70% due to Delta , 20% due to HBO max, and 10% general movie audience really hating the first one in my opinion --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:956952713] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote>So this movie is a box-office flop?</quote> This is 70% due to Delta , 20% due to HBO max, and 10% general movie audience really hating the first one in my opinion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 12:32:55 PM #79:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Second, who cares if it's groundbreaking and meaningful? It should just be a regular thing they throw in there, if anything. It should be treated as normal and not something special. The Harley Quinn cartoon, for instance, does a great job of it without treating it like this groundbreaking thing. not sure why you're arguing with me, I don't disagree with any of this. i'm just explaining why i'm not exactly outraged about harley apparently not being in a lesbian relationship in this movie. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956954010] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>Second, who cares if it's groundbreaking and meaningful? It should just be a regular thing they throw in there, if anything. It should be treated as normal and not something special. The Harley Quinn cartoon, for instance, does a great job of it without treating it like this groundbreaking thing.</quote> not sure why you're arguing with me, I don't disagree with any of this. i'm just explaining why i'm not exactly outraged about harley apparently not being in a lesbian relationship in this movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/10/21 12:36:07 PM #80:	UshiromiyaEva posted... Doom Patrol is a fantastic show. yeah, season 3 fucking when??? --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956954100] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Doom Patrol is a fantastic show.</quote> yeah, season 3 fucking when??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/10/21 12:37:39 PM #81:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... yeah, season 3 fucking when??? Technically season 2 isn't over. The finale was put on hold due to Covid and its actually up in the air whether they will ever even finish it. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:956954147] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>yeah, season 3 fucking when???</quote> Technically season 2 isn't over. The finale was put on hold due to Covid and its actually up in the air whether they will ever even finish it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/10/21 12:44:05 PM #82:	UshiromiyaEva posted... Technically season 2 isn't over. The finale was put on hold due to Covid and its actually up in the air whether they will ever even finish it. That's... absolutely untrue. It's back in September. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:956954340] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Technically season 2 isn't over. The finale was put on hold due to Covid and its actually up in the air whether they will ever even finish it.</quote>That's... absolutely untrue. It's back in September. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/10/21 1:01:50 PM #83:	Oh, looks like my information is old then. That was definitely the case a while back. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:956954890] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Oh, looks like my information is old then. That was definitely the case a while back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/10/21 1:59:54 PM #84:	Mr Lasastryke posted... not sure why you're arguing with me, I don't disagree with any of this. i'm just explaining why i'm not exactly outraged about harley apparently not being in a lesbian relationship in this movie. Because you're acting weird about it homie. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:956956562] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>not sure why you're arguing with me, I don't disagree with any of this. i'm just explaining why i'm not exactly outraged about harley apparently not being in a lesbian relationship in this movie.</quote>Because you're acting weird about it homie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grand Kirby 08/10/21 2:57:44 PM #85:	colliding posted... general movie audience really hating the first one in my opinion But general movie audiences loved the first one. It was critics and hardcore fans who hated it --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan <cite>Grand Kirby posted [p:956958206] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>colliding posted... </cite> <quote>general movie audience really hating the first one in my opinion</quote>But general movie audiences loved the first one. It was critics and hardcore fans who hated it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/10/21 3:00:51 PM #86:	Grand Kirby posted... But general movie audiences loved the first one. What --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:956958299] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Grand Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>But general movie audiences loved the first one.</quote> What </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 08/10/21 3:05:53 PM #87:	Yeah that is Definitely not the case. At best meh. Box office is not reception! --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:956958446] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Yeah that is Definitely not the case. At best meh. Box office is not reception! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/10/21 3:09:46 PM #88:	Well it did make a bunch of money, I dunno if that directly translates into love from the general audience though. It has a rotten audience score whereas its sequels do not. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956958546] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Well it did make a bunch of money, I dunno if that directly translates into love from the general audience though. It has a rotten audience score whereas its sequels do not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grand Kirby 08/10/21 3:13:43 PM #89:	I mean, it made a ton of money, and audience reviews were much higher than critical reviews. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I don't like it, and it gets trashed in places all over the internet, but there's a lot of people who really liked those awful gritty DC movies and still fight for them. --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan <cite>Grand Kirby posted [p:956958666] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>I mean, it made a ton of money, and audience reviews were much higher than critical reviews. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I don't like it, and it gets trashed in places all over the internet, but there's a lot of people who really liked those awful gritty DC movies and still fight for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 08/10/21 3:28:47 PM #90:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I think what is happening here is that Margot Robbie's Harley doesn't have broad appeal, Margot Robbie's Harley has an insane amount of broad appeal. Just not among hardcore nerds. When James Gunn asked if there was anything he needed to include from the original Studio Squad, the studio said that Margot Robbie was the one thing they'd want to see come back. She's one of the most popular comic book characters among casuals right now. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:956959074] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>I think what is happening here is that Margot Robbie's Harley doesn't have broad appeal,</quote>Margot Robbie's Harley has an insane amount of broad appeal. Just not among hardcore nerds. When James Gunn asked if there was anything he needed to include from the original Studio Squad, the studio said that Margot Robbie was the one thing they'd want to see come back. She's one of the most popular comic book characters among casuals right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 3:29:22 PM #91:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Because you're acting weird about it homie. ...it's weird that i'm not outraged that harley isn't in a lesbian relationship in a movie i haven't seen yet? ok. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956959088] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>Because you're acting weird about it homie.</quote> ...it's weird that i'm not outraged that harley isn't in a lesbian relationship in a movie i haven't seen yet? ok. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 3:33:06 PM #93:	Grand Kirby posted... I mean, it made a ton of money, the phantom menace made a ton of money too. that doesn't mean shit. (yes, i know prequelists exist, but "general audiences" certainly didn't love the movie.) and audience reviews were much higher than critical reviews. were they actually good, though? i've never met a single person who liked the original suicide squad, for what it's worth. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956959212] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Grand Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, it made a ton of money,</quote> the phantom menace made a ton of money too. that doesn't mean shit. (yes, i know prequelists exist, but "general audiences" certainly didn't love the movie.) <quote>and audience reviews were much higher than critical reviews.</quote> were they actually good, though? i've never met a single person who liked the original suicide squad, for what it's worth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 08/10/21 3:36:48 PM #94:	KamikazePotato posted... Margot Robbie's Harley has an insane amount of broad appeal. Just not among hardcore nerds. When James Gunn asked if there was anything he needed to include from the original Studio Squad, the studio said that Margot Robbie was the one thing they'd want to see come back. She's one of the most popular comic book characters among casuals right now. Correct, "universal appeal" would have been a better term for me to use. The specific demographic she doesn't hit is a subset of hardcore male comic book nerd who, let's be honest, self-select for posting on internet forums. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:956959303] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Margot Robbie's Harley has an insane amount of broad appeal. Just not among hardcore nerds. When James Gunn asked if there was anything he needed to include from the original Studio Squad, the studio said that Margot Robbie was the one thing they'd want to see come back. She's one of the most popular comic book characters among casuals right now.</quote> Correct, "universal appeal" would have been a better term for me to use. The specific demographic she doesn't hit is a subset of hardcore male comic book nerd who, let's be honest, self-select for posting on internet forums. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 08/10/21 3:39:33 PM #95:	Lightning Strikes posted... Yeah that is Definitely not the case. At best meh. Box office is not reception! Yeah I hate it when that critical dissonance narrative is pushed when it's probably just a relatively few "hardcore" fans blowing it out of proportion or just being contrarian in general. See Batman v. Superman or The Last Jedi for examples. Even worse if you're using the Rotten Tomatoes audience scores as indicators otherwise you'd be left with the impression that casual moviegoers loved stuff like the Death Wish remake, many of the Disney live-action remakes, The Rise of Skywalker, and Terminator: Dark Fate. Although my brother thinks Batman v. Superman was never going to be a big blockbuster movie because of it following on from Man of Steel or something? --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:956959373] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Lightning Strikes posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah that is Definitely not the case. At best meh. Box office is not reception!</quote> Yeah I hate it when that critical dissonance narrative is pushed when it's probably just a relatively few "hardcore" fans blowing it out of proportion or just being contrarian in general. See Batman v. Superman or The Last Jedi for examples. Even worse if you're using the Rotten Tomatoes audience scores as indicators otherwise you'd be left with the impression that casual moviegoers loved stuff like the Death Wish remake, many of the Disney live-action remakes, The Rise of Skywalker, and Terminator: Dark Fate. Although my brother thinks Batman v. Superman was never going to be a big blockbuster movie because of it following on from Man of Steel or something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grand Kirby 08/10/21 3:40:02 PM #96:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i've never met a single person who liked the original suicide squad, for what it's worth. ...right. I'm trying to say there's a difference between "general people" and "people you know". A lot of people have difficulty understanding that. People always seem to narrowly focus on the opinions of people they've met or in the sub-cultures they hang out, like in the websites they visit, or the curated content of social media they use and mistakenly assume that's general opinion and then wonder why they still make Transformers movies when everyone hates them, or why Two and Half Men was so popular when everyone knows it was a terrible show. A lot of people I know hate the first Suicide Squad. A lot more people I've never met and will never ever meet enjoyed it. --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan <cite>Grand Kirby posted [p:956959390] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i've never met a single person who liked the original suicide squad, for what it's worth.</quote>...right. I'm trying to say there's a difference between "general people" and "people you know". A lot of people have difficulty understanding that. People always seem to narrowly focus on the opinions of people they've met or in the sub-cultures they hang out, like in the websites they visit, or the curated content of social media they use and mistakenly assume that's general opinion and then wonder why they still make Transformers movies when everyone hates them, or why Two and Half Men was so popular when everyone knows it was a terrible show. A lot of people I know hate the first Suicide Squad. A lot more people I've never met and will never ever meet enjoyed it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 08/10/21 3:40:26 PM #97:	Loads of movies get panned by audiences and make a ton of money. Thats what marketing is for. The Last Airbender was profitable, as was Godzilla 98. And getting a rotten audience score is pretty tough without review bombing. The nature of audience scores means they will always be higher than low critic scores. On the subject of box office Suicide Squad had awful holds for a non-sequel blockbuster that released in August with no competition. It made 2.42x its opening weekend, by comparison Guardians of the Galaxy releasing in the same window two years prior made 3.54x its opening weekend. Even the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie that released that August made 2.89x its opening. Green Lantern made 2.21x in the more competitive month of June. So while it had a huge gross its legs were poor indicating bad word of mouth. All indicators are that audience reception was not good. It just had good marketing. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:956959397] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Loads of movies get panned by audiences and make a ton of money. Thats what marketing is for. The Last Airbender was profitable, as was Godzilla 98. And getting a rotten audience score is pretty tough without review bombing. The nature of audience scores means they will always be higher than low critic scores. On the subject of box office Suicide Squad had awful holds for a non-sequel blockbuster that released in August with no competition. It made 2.42x its opening weekend, by comparison Guardians of the Galaxy releasing in the same window two years prior made 3.54x its opening weekend. Even the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie that released that August made 2.89x its opening. Green Lantern made 2.21x in the more competitive month of June. So while it had a huge gross its legs were poor indicating bad word of mouth. All indicators are that audience reception was not good. It just had good marketing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 08/10/21 3:46:05 PM #98:	I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:956959565] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/10/21 3:54:16 PM #99:	Grand Kirby posted... ...right. I'm trying to say there's a difference between "general people" and "people you know". A lot of people have difficulty understanding that. People always seem to narrowly focus on the opinions of people they've met or in the sub-cultures they hang out, like in the websites they visit, or the curated content of social media they use and mistakenly assume that's general opinion and then wonder why they still make Transformers movies when everyone hates them, or why Two and Half Men was so popular when everyone knows it was a terrible show. A lot of people I know hate the first Suicide Squad. A lot more people I've never met and will never ever meet enjoyed it. you get that i actually know people who are different than the kinds of people who would post on a dying video game message board, right? i know someone who loves the transformers movie series. i know someone who legitimately thinks attack of the clones is the best star wars movie ever made. i don't know anyone who likes the original suicide squad. yes, it's anecdotal evidence that doesn't mean much (hence why i said "for what it's worth"). but if the movie is as beloved by general moviegoers as you claim it is, i think it's pretty noteworthy that i haven't met a single person who got enjoyment out of it. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:956959805] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>Grand Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>...right. I'm trying to say there's a difference between "general people" and "people you know". A lot of people have difficulty understanding that. People always seem to narrowly focus on the opinions of people they've met or in the sub-cultures they hang out, like in the websites they visit, or the curated content of social media they use and mistakenly assume that's general opinion and then wonder why they still make Transformers movies when everyone hates them, or why Two and Half Men was so popular when everyone knows it was a terrible show. A lot of people I know hate the first Suicide Squad. A lot more people I've never met and will never ever meet enjoyed it.</quote> you get that i actually know people who are different than the kinds of people who would post on a dying video game message board, right? i know someone who loves the transformers movie series. i know someone who legitimately thinks attack of the clones is the best star wars movie ever made. i don't know anyone who likes the original suicide squad. yes, it's anecdotal evidence that doesn't mean much (hence why i said "for what it's worth"). but if the movie is as beloved by general moviegoers as you claim it is, i think it's pretty noteworthy that i haven't met a single person who got enjoyment out of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 08/10/21 4:01:23 PM #100:	HashtagSEP posted... I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it. I enjoyed Robbie in Wolf of Wall Street and Once Upon A Time in Hollywood but I don't really know about Harley Quinn. I mean, she was one of the best aspects of Suicide Squad, but Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy is one of the best aspects of Batman & Robin so that statement is meaningless. Yes I have actually seen Batman & Robin. It was such a hot mess I don't regret it one iota, although I don't have any problems with the campiness of Schumacher's Batman films at all. The execution is what sucks. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:956960003] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it.</quote> I enjoyed Robbie in Wolf of Wall Street and Once Upon A Time in Hollywood but I don't really know about Harley Quinn. I mean, she was one of the best aspects of Suicide Squad, but Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy is one of the best aspects of Batman & Robin so that statement is meaningless. Yes I have actually seen Batman & Robin. It was such a hot mess I don't regret it one iota, although I don't have any problems with the campiness of Schumacher's Batman films at all. The execution is what sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/10/21 4:09:55 PM #101:	HashtagSEP posted... I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it. I think that's part of the DC push to make her commercially viable. Unlike the well-regarded cult classic series of The Secret Six, DC was looking for commercial success rather than critical acclaim, so Harley lost the harder edge and truly unique psychological profile that I think gave us meat for the bone, rather than just a quirky sometimes-killer. Marvel and DC seem to both be going through this phase where they can't have truly evil or psychotic characters; they always need a little bit of an out. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:956960219] in The critic... [t:79596289]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>I don't really think I'm a comic nerd at all, I know next to nothing that isn't in the movies. I just think the Harley character is kinda thin to basically be the center of three movies. Like somebody said, she's basically a meme machine instead of having actual depth, which was great at first but it's kinda wearing thin on me now. I get why she has broad appeal, I'm just personally kinda over it.</quote>I think that's part of the DC push to make her commercially viable. Unlike the well-regarded cult classic series of The Secret Six, DC was looking for commercial success rather than critical acclaim, so Harley lost the harder edge and truly unique psychological profile that I think gave us meat for the bone, rather than just a quirky sometimes-killer. Marvel and DC seem to both be going through this phase where they can't have truly evil or psychotic characters; they always need a little bit of an out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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