Board 8 > Nintendo officially endorses "Search Action" as a genre name

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Seginustemple posted...

Kafka was a novelist in the search action genre

A lot of his writing reads like chapters out of a self-help booklet though.

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Kafkaesque is when you turn into a bug overnight, and the bigger the bug, the more Kafkaesque it is

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Why does the most Kafkaesque not simply eat the other Kafkaesques

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Seginustemple posted...

"Metroidvania" is like "Kafkaesque" for video games, you really only need a passing familiarity with the reference to understand the term

That's notoriously a word that you say when you want to sound smart for describing something but don't know how, since you have no idea what the word actually means but you also know no one else knows what it means so they'll just go along with it

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NeatoAnAccount posted...

and if they don't know what a metroidvania is, they haven't hung around online video game forums

Fixed

And obviously we should optimize game language for those who actually play games, not those ""gamers""

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One of the PotD options should be Kefkaesque

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Lord Ephraim posted...

I'm suprised Nintendo hasn't called Zelda its own genre yet, seeing how I haven't seen a single video game try to be like Zelda.

there is basically an entire cottage industry of indie games that exist as homages to 2D Zeldas

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foolm0r0n posted...

That's notoriously a word that you say when you want to sound smart for describing something but don't know how, since you have no idea what the word actually means but you also know no one else knows what it means so they'll just go along with it

Oh yeah I was really flexing the high school canon there. Do you have trouble understanding Orwellian and Shakespearean too?
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Speaking of, are we using Kefkaesque for the Final Fantasy genre yet?

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Seems to be some kind of horror author or something?

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Seginustemple posted...

"Metroidvania" is like "Kafkaesque" for video games, you really only need a passing familiarity with the reference to understand the term

"kafkaesque" actually follows English conventions and isn't two authors' names awkwardly smashed together

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DeepsPraw posted...

"kafkaesque" actually follows English conventions and isn't two authors' names awkwardly smashed together

Metroidvania follows English conventions far more than Kafkaesque does. How many English words do you know that have the 2 vowels "uh-ehh" in a row? Or that include the sound sequence fk?

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are you serious

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I ask again, why are you going so hard on this??

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Smashing two words (be they names or otherwise, doesnt matter) together to make a new word is just as much an English convention as anything else.

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lookie shooty stab and looty

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DeepsPraw posted...

"kafkaesque" actually follows English conventions and isn't two authors' names awkwardly smashed together

You can still figure out what Metroidvania means even if it's an unconventional term, it's not super complicated. I mean there should still be a better way to describe the genre but "search action" isn't it
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Kenri posted...

Kafkaesque is when you turn into a bug overnight, and the bigger the bug, the more Kafkaesque it is

underrated post
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Seginustemple posted...

Oh yeah I was really flexing the high school canon there. Do you have trouble understanding Orwellian and Shakespearean too?

While I don't think your point is wrong in theory, this is a pretty funny example in practice because people do misuse Orwellian all the time

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using "search action" is just like 1984

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redrocket posted...

Smashing two words (be they names or otherwise, doesnt matter) together to make a new word is just as much an English convention as anything else.

Exactly, this is how we get words like Metroid and Castlevania in the first place
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Tom Bombadil posted...

using "search action" is just like 1984

lol it is

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Today as I turned on my PS5, I was greeted with the headline, "Have you tried Roguelikes?"

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DeepsPraw posted...

"kafkaesque" actually follows English conventions and isn't two authors' names awkwardly smashed together

there's literally a term for smashing two words together because it's become an English convention

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oh yeah while we're still talking a bit about terms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY3QZP0Kslk

paper games is a term that is dangerously close to becoming a thing if this is any indication and that scares me

Honestly, Mario-style RPGs are probably distinct enough from traditional RPGs to form a subgenre. I didn't realize indies were working on so many. And JUST like the Metroidvania indie boom, this is happening because major companies basically abandoned their own model. I mean this is just how genres work, right? When it's just Paper Mario and Bug Fables it's an oddity, if there's like 20 of the things it becomes a category.

I mean we had a topic a couple weeks ago classifying Earthbound clones as "depression RPGs" which was fun to think about but this is less of a stretch.

edit: I will say I don't think it is actually defined by the "paper" aesthetic though so much like Metroidvania it's jargon that requires knowledge of Paper Mario's game mechanics

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the one thing I wish other RPGs would copy from Mario RPGs is timed hits

it's such a simple thing to include and it's so much fun

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why has no game since legend of dragoon used the addition system

plz

I feel like they're fairly common. I assume you're down with the Shadow Hearts-style implementation too?
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Mac Arrowny posted...

I feel like they're fairly common. I assume you're down with the Shadow Hearts-style implementation too?

I don't like that style quite as much because there's a chance of no attack at all if you mess up too badly.

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LeonhartFour posted...

the one thing I wish other RPGs would copy from Mario RPGs is timed hits

it's such a simple thing to include and it's so much fun

also i wouldn't say it's that simple to do it well

like, if i recall, lost odyssey had this but it was the most basic execution of it, just a single timed hit for normal attacks, and it wasn't very satisfying at all. mario RPGs work so well because there's all sorts of variety to it and they really make you feel the impact viscerally. just adding a timed circle to a normal attack doesn't actually feel very good.

Seginustemple posted...

Oh yeah I was really flexing the high school canon there. Do you have trouble understanding Orwellian and Shakespearean too?

Absolutely, because no one uses them correctly. (Well I dunno about Shakespearean, I don't hear that often.) I'm curious how you would define these if they are so obvious. Let me hear your definition of "hooking up" too, if we're talking high school words.

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LeonhartFour posted...

the one thing I wish other RPGs would copy from Mario RPGs is timed hits

...Whatever.

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foolm0r0n posted...

Absolutely, because no one uses them correctly. (Well I dunno about Shakespearean, I don't hear that often.) I'm curious how you would define these if they are so obvious. Let me hear your definition of "hooking up" too, if we're talking high school words.

Why are you implying that hooking up is a high school phrase? I hear that from literally everyone.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I don't like that style quite as much because there's a chance of no attack at all if you mess up too badly.

There are definitely moves in Mario RPGs that work this way! And because the numbers are so low, the pity 1 damage or whatever you get on failed commands can still be fairly punishing.

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andylt posted...

...Whatever.

one of many reasons FFVIII is the best is the gunblade trigger

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

There are definitely moves in Mario RPGs that work this way! And because the numbers are so low, the pity 1 damage or whatever you get on failed commands can still be fairly punishing.

For certain moves, but generally not for standard attacks. Plus, I'd prefer the timing to coincide with the actual attack rather than some sort of pre-attack ring.

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Dels posted...

also i wouldn't say it's that simple to do it well

like, if i recall, lost odyssey had this but it was the most basic execution of it, just a single timed hit for normal attacks, and it wasn't very satisfying at all. mario RPGs work so well because there's all sorts of variety to it and they really make you feel the impact viscerally. just adding a timed circle to a normal attack doesn't actually feel very good.

there's also YIIK which makes every single action in a battle into a minigame

it makes normal battles really long

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On the page for Loki on Disney Plus, the TVA is described as kafkaesque.

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SSBM_Guy posted...

there's also YIIK which makes every single action in a battle into a minigame

it makes normal battles really long

First of all how dare you make me remember YIIK. Absolutely cursed paper game depression rpg.

Second of all, battles in that game don't take forever due to the action inputs, they take forever because the game is horribly optimized and laggy PLUS the damage numbers and HP totals have absolutely godawful balance. The action inputs are a distant third place contributor!

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Waluigi1 posted...

Why are you implying that hooking up is a high school phrase? I hear that from literally everyone.

In high school it matters a lot more. People say it implying that they did more than they did, since it's ambiguous. Also if you're under 25, you'll stop hearing it soon, trust me.

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LeonhartFour posted...

the one thing I wish other RPGs would copy from Mario RPGs is timed hits

it's such a simple thing to include and it's so much fun

i wish shadow hearts wasn't dead :(

SSBM_Guy posted...

there's also YIIK which makes every single action in a battle into a minigame

it makes normal battles really long

I stared at this too long trying to figure out what YIIK was an acronym for

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foolm0r0n posted...

In high school it matters a lot more. People say it implying that they did more than they did, since it's ambiguous. Also if you're under 25, you'll stop hearing it soon, trust me.

I'm 32 <_<

But being gay may have to do with it to. But I still here it plenty from straight people so.

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