Board 8 > Leonhart Plays The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Spoilers)

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Maybe I should just refer to him as Billy Gunn from here on out.

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I'm no scientist so maybe I'm completely off-base, but wouldn't breaking someone apart at the molecular level kill them, even if you put them back together immediately afterwards?

I mean, I get that the machine doesn't actually work, just speaking hypothetically here.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I'm no scientist so maybe I'm completely off-base, but wouldn't breaking someone apart at the molecular level kill them, even if you put them back together immediately afterwards?

I mean, I get that the machine doesn't actually work, just speaking hypothetically here.

I'm no scientist either but the answer is "yes" and also "there's a huge philosophical debate about whether or not it's even you coming out the other side"

so it's basically the Ship of Theseus problem, assuming the person coming out on the other side even comes out alive

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"There's a saying in Japan: the darkest spot is right under the lighthouse."

I feel like Godot used this saying in 3-5 to explain why Maya wouldn't have been able to see her attacker, although he didn't say it quite like that. It was something like, "Under the lighthouse, darkness reigns" or something similar.

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Sorry, haven't had time to play the last couple days. Been busy, but hopefully will get to play some tomorrow.

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So about G2-3, trial part 2
Am I dumb for not figuring out that the "birdcage" was inside the balloon before the game brought it up? I feel like this is the first time that those 2 games were actualy ahead of me :|

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The wax museum is such a great location, probably the best one in these two games.

One of these days, I should do a location ranking for the series.

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aw yeah found the customary ladder/stepladder conversation

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I'm already liking Madame Tusspells because it allows me to remember the French I learned in high school, much like Jean Armstrong

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Huh, this is the first detective story reference I've found that isn't from Holmes. The killer policeman, Ottermole, is actually from a Thomas Burke story called "The Hands of Mr. Ottermole." I've never read it, but I had to look it up since I assumed it was a reference to something!

John Clay is a Holmes reference to the story called "The Red-Headed League," although he is a criminal, not a policeman. His accomplice went by the alias Duncan Ross, for the record.

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The approach van Zieks takes to this case is really interesting. He's claiming his friend deliberately murdered Billy Gunn...but since he claims the experiment was a success in the process, it ensures his device will be protected under the new act and won't have to be divulged to the public or be torn apart by a police investigation.

Certainly an odd way to deal with your friend, but it's honestly probably in keeping with Harebrayne's wishes since all he really cares about is making sure his device is preserved. He's willing to be punished for Asman's death, even if he insists it wasn't intentional.

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LeonhartFour posted...

The approach van Zieks takes to this case is really interesting. He's claiming his friend deliberately murdered Billy Gunn...but since he claims the experiment was a success in the process, it ensures his device will be protected under the new act and won't have to be divulged to the public or be torn apart by a police investigation.

Certainly an odd way to deal with your friend, but it's honestly probably in keeping with Harebrayne's wishes since all he really cares about is making sure his device is preserved. He's willing to be punished for Asman's death, even if he insists it wasn't intentional.

It took me awhile to get this since using the machine as a murder weapon would still have it get taken apart- which is why Albert asked for Ryunosuke's help in the first place. It took me until awhile after I beat the case before realizing that the reason Albert confesses is that if Albert had killed Asman with the screwdriver then the screwdriver is the murder weapon and the machine is uninvolved and can still be protected by the act.
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Harebrayne is so great. There probably hasn't been a defendant so damaging to his own case (who isn't trying to intentionally take the fall for someone else, that is) since Ron DeLite.

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The only case that matters is his hypothesis

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actually this is similar to 3-2 in other ways in that Phoenix and Ryunosuke are both arguing from things they know aren't true (the identity of Mask*DeMasque and the possibility of instantaneous kinesis, respectively), but since the court currently accepts them as facts, they use them to their advantage

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The name of the Bohemian boy is Wilhelm Gottsreich Sigismond Ormstein, which is the name of the King of Bohemia who visited Sherlock Holmes in the appropriately titled story, "A Scandal in Bohemia," although there was also a "von" before Ormstein. He wore a mask to disguise his identity, much like this boy does in this case.

also Gina says "That's the twentieth century for ya," so we're at least in the 1900s!

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LeonhartFour posted...

The name of the Bohemian boy is Wilhelm Gottsreich Sigismond Ormstein, which is the name of the King of Bohemia who visited Sherlock Holmes in the appropriately titled story, "A Scandal in Bohemia," although there was also a "von" before Ormstein. He wore a mask to disguise his identity, much like this boy does in this case.

I don't know if you read the image gallery notes yet, but it was mentioned there!
There are also other mentions of references, it's a good read, I think

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I haven't read them for the second game yet. I read all the stuff for the first game after I finished it.

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oh I just got Balthazar Lune's name pun, nice

also as someone who watched an LP of these games beforehand I did not remember this dude and the Bohemian kid at all

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I like the ethical dilemma Ryunosuke is put in where he has to decide whether to pursue his theory that the entire experiment was a ruse against his client's wishes, or acknowledge Harebrayne's confession in order to protect his machine, even though he knows it's wrong.

The GAA games are almost like one giant homage to 2-4 in one way or another.

also this has easily been the best jury so far, four testimonies without randomly calling for a verdict and they're actually helpful to the case

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oh heck yeah they brought back the Ryutaro Objection theme for Susato's dramatic return

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Ryutaro Objection is up there in an already stacked soundtrack for sure

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wait I just realized that the dude who was KO'd at the wax museum was the jury foreman in McGilded's trial whoa

speaking of jury foremen I need a designation for the foreman of this jury

I can't call him "brown suit" since I already have that one dude called that (and it's more tan than brown, I guess), so maybe "newspaper juror" since he's had a newspaper in his hands at times

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Harebrayne being blindfolded before being taken by carriage to Drebber's workshop is a trope used in two high tier Holmes stories, "The Engineer's Thumb," and "The Greek Interpreter."

Enoch Drebber comes from the name of a victim in the very first Holmes story, "A Study in Scarlet," for the record.

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I'm loving all the references to Holmes' stories. Some of them, I had no idea. Toby the dog felt like a natural nickname to Tobias Gregson.

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LeonhartFour posted...

wait I just realized that the dude who was KO'd at the wax museum was the jury foreman in McGilded's trial whoa

lol, really?
They recycle them a lot and sometimes it's confusing if those are really the same characters or not
Like the doctor jury and the one with the hearing problems look the same but are different characters (I think? was it ever confirmed?)

In a way it reminds me of the Layton games having the same NPCs in the puzzles

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Nanis23 posted...

Like the doctor jury and the one with the hearing problems look the same but are different characters (I think? was it ever confirmed?)

I'm pretty sure they're the same guy

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unless the guy has a twin for some inexplicable reason I imagine we're being led to believe it's the same person

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wow Ryunosuke is Team Ladder, what a betrayal of his lineage

or I guess technically Phoenix would be the betrayer of the lineage

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I'm pretty sure he's stepladder. When Iris calls it a ladder, he says that in Japan there's a different term for ladders that fold like that and then Iris says that they do in England as well, a stepladder, and chastises him for having cultural assumptions.
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When Susato calls it a stepladder, he just goes, "Yes...a stepladder," and his inner monologue is like, "I'm pretty sure I just narrowly avoided an argument."

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I took that to mean he actually agrees with her unlike with the spade/shovel
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I guess that's one way to look at it, but to me, it read like he was agreeing with her to avoid another spade/shovel argument because he could see it coming from a mile away.

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That's true, it is ambiguous there by itself. But if you examined it prior with Iris he wanted to refer to it as stepladder.
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He did, but it almost felt like he was trying to show off that they have more than one way to refer to a ladder, which is what Iris seems to call him out on. Like he understands "stepladder" is technically correct, but he would still refer to it as "ladder" in casual conversation.

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He specifically refers to the ladder in the waxwork as one of those ladders that folds and thus has a different term in Japanese so he's clearly referring to that specific ladder as a stepladder.
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Yes, again, it feels like he's trying to show off that Japanese is more technical and precise, until Iris points out that English also has a word for that type of ladder.

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Yeah, so I don't see how that makes him a ladder guy if he already intended to correct someone about it.
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Again, I don't think he's correcting so much as showing off, but either way, I think Ryunosuke is being noncommittal on purpose with Susato.

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Fair enough. I do think it's more likely that he's still a stepladder guy though.
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I'm more of a spade guy

I liked how Leon and Gifted made a argument about the stepladder argument

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lol I noticed that
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Nanis23 posted...

I liked how Leon and Gifted made a argument about the stepladder argument

A very meta performance

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So Leon
Kind of a off-topic but not really

If I don't like reading books, what is the best way to experience Sherlock Holmes stories? is the 2010 TV show a good place to start?

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If you don't like reading books, then listen to an audiobook!

Seriously though, the BBC Sherlock show is good, but it's Sherlock set in modern times. Like GAA, it takes liberties with the source material.

If you want more faithful adaptations, you'd have to watch old shows and movies.

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This is clearly an anti-gravity device

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Gotta love someone being super smart but then having such a bad memory that he can't remember a six digit code and worse can't remember where it was written!

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One of the things that's consistent with the Doyle's portrayal of Holmes is his, uh, "selective memory." He says that the human mind only has so much space for knowledge, so anything he has no use for, he "deletes" to make room for other things, including details of his past cases.

In the first book, there's a humorous exchange between Holmes and Watson when the latter learns that the former is unaware that the earth revolves around the sun instead of the other way around, and Holmes says the knowledge makes no practical difference in his life, so he sees no need to commit it to memory.

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