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Depends on what you want out of it.

I went in expecting "Fallout: New Vegas IN SPACE", because that's how most people describe it, but I was ultimately disappointed because it felt like the Diet Coke version of New Vegas. Like, you could see the framework that would have made it an awesome game, but everything felt half-assed and underdeveloped, to the point where you're always going "That wasn't as good as it could have/should have been."

What really hurt for me is the fact that narrative is always one of my biggest selling points for games (especially RPGs), with characterization a close second - yet there are some major flaws in the story and most of the NPCs are bland as fuck (they're mostly one-note jokes that I can't imagine ever allowing on to my ship if I was playing the game logically as opposed to going "I have to be stupid here so as not to miss content"). In the same vein, a lot of the quests sort of feel so immersion-breaking that it ruins the game's one selling point. There were WAY too many points where I was pulled completely out of the story because it felt like I was playing a tabletop RPG run by a shitty railroading DM.

With New Vegas I was motivated to play multiple times, with multiple different sorts of characters, trying to experience the story in different ways, because I was invested in the story, characters, and setting. With Outer Worlds, I never felt compelled to play it a second time (and barely finished the game the first time through), because almost every aspect of the story, setting, gameplay, music, and everything else just felt mediocre.

It also doesn't help that the entire running joke of the game is "CAPITALISM IS BAD!", but there's no complexity to it, and the joke starts running thin very, very quickly. They'd probably justify the lack of subtlety with "Hey, it's satire!", but good satire has to do more than just hit you in the face with the message over and over and over again.

It might be worth picking up if you can get it for $10-20 or so, but $30-40 is starting to feel too high, and anything more than that feels like too much.
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I never played Superman 64.

But I did own/play this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7U2TFIayos
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Mead posted...

he created the big spooky genre

Ironically, he didn't - his early influences were Lord Dunsany, Arthur Machen, and Victorian Era Gothic Horror in general:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plunkett,_18th_Baron_of_Dunsany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Machen

Dunsany's the one who tended to influence Lovecraft's Dream Cycle stuff, Machen tended to inspire the darker stuff. And Lovecraft was pretty clearly a huge Anglophile who felt like he was born a few decades too late, as he would have reveled in the Victorian Era.

Lovecraft certainly helped popularize it (and helped inspire a new generation of horror writers that followed him), but he was more an intermediary link in the chain rather than the start of it.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

while trying to make actual characters who care about (something Lovecraft's work never does)

He was pretty much the opposite of a people-person, and was definitely misanthropic in general, so it's not entirely surprising that he couldn't really convey that sort of sociability and charisma in his characters.

Basically, he didn't really care about his characters as anything other than plot devices to tell the story (and most of the time, he didn't really care about the story as anything other than an excuse to write 27 pages worth of adjectives like cyclopean or eldritch with 1-2 pages of story thrown in to justify it all).

If anything, it's kind of surprising that he was sociable enough to maintain such a robust letter-writing circle in spite of his personality tendencies. But let's be honest, he was pretty much the archetypal Internet message board poster, just eight decades too early.
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Zeus posted...

You've posted over 4x as many topics as I have >_>

I've apparently posted 58. And I was kind of surprised it was that high.

I've apparently posted 25417 times. Which I feel would have been ridiculously higher if the site was keeping stats from the beginning and not just 2013. These days my AMP rarely breaks 100 (it's at 77 right now), but back at my peak I was pretty regularly nailing something like 800-1000 every day, with almost every one of those posts on PotD back when it was purging every 3 days.

That would be like 90000 posts in just one year, and I was maintaining that pace for multiple years from somewhere around 2004 to 2011 or so. So that'd be like more than a half-million posts. Which is kind of insane, now that I do the math.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Wait until they get to Yosemite Sam and Marvin the Martian...

Well, to be fair, Tiny Toons got around that sort of shit as far back as the early 90s, with Montana Max and Elmyra being versions of the adult characters that were still sterilized to some degree (with Elmyra sort of being a cross between Elmer and the Abominable Snowman, and Max is sort of like Yosemite Sam crossed with an evil Richie Rich). Because apparently they didn't want the kid versions of those characters running around with guns.

So it's not like they can't kind of tweak character concepts.

Hell, some of the newer cartoons with Sylvester and Tweety have them as friends (which is a pretty far cry from Sylvester trying to eat him 99% of the time), so it's not like they view any of this stuff sacrosanct.

Hell, if they viewed any of this as all that sacred, this would literally never have existed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHtdJ1l0EQ
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Zeus posted...

At any rate, scythes and axes are terrible hunting weapons. If they're not giving him a bow, at the very least he should have a spear.

And a magic helmet.







...though I'm kind of more bothered by the fact that someone, somewhere in the world thinks that guns are universally terrible, but it's perfectly acceptable to try and murder someone with an axe/scythe instead.

Maybe, if this is such a problem for them, they should just, oh, I don't know, not have him be a hunter? It's not like it would be the first time they've changed the context of a Looney Tunes character.
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ChaosAzeroth posted...

My favorite is The Cats of Ulthar, mostly because the cats eat the asshole cat killers tbh.

I could never get into it, because I dislike cats.

Lovecraft's fondness for them is just more proof that he was a terrible person!
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GanonsSpirit posted...

That being said, Whisperer in the Dark is terrifying.

Ehh.

The problem with a lot of Lovecraft is that you know there's usually a twist coming, and it usually becomes kind of obvious what the twist is going to be, so you wind up defusing a lot of the tension because you know where the story is going, and don't necessarily care all that much about the main characters that their inevitable doom is going to have all that much impact on you.

Though if I had to pick my top stories, I might go Rats in the Walls and Dreams in the Witch House. Though my absolute favorite story he ever wrote is and has always been The Case of Charles Dexter Ward.
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Mead posted...

this stupid show totally holds up

I feel like that's only true for the first couple seasons - after a certain point, it feels like the quality goes downhill.

That seems to be the case for a lot of similar "weird humor" type cartoons. Sealab kind of peaks with the Bizarro episode and takes a huge dip once Murphy leaves (because his voice actor died in real life). Ren and Stimpy started gettimg stupid even before they fired John K (and it got worse after).

A lot of Adult Swim shows that are great to start out kind of wear out their welcome really fast (and some of them are just kind of terrible from the start and never improve).

That being said, me and my friends still occasionally quote Meatwad or Carl like at least once a month.
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It's my main selling point. I would happily play a game with fantastic story and mediocre gameplay long before I'd play a game with mediocre story and fantastic gameplay. I'm also much more inclined to suffer through annoying gameplay quirks to experience a great story than I am suffering through terrible story just because the gameplay mechanics are kind of fun.

In theory I can still enjoy games with no real story to speak of (like Tetris, or just dicking around building things in Minecraft), but as I get older I seek those sorts of games out less and less.

I was a huge fan of the Telltale games (which are basically just visual novels/interactive narrative with a handful of quick-time events thrown in to look more like a game), at least for the stories I was actually interested in (Tales from the Borderlands was one of my favorite games from its time, and Minecraft: Story Mode impressed me a hell of a lot more than I thought it would).
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Zeus posted...

I can understand that his work isn't necessarily as accessible because of his choice of words, allusions, references, etc, at times

I'd argue it's more a case of changing culture. He was writing in a style that would have been extremely appreciated and unsettling in its era, but in a case of "Seinfeld is Unfunny", so many writers since have copied his style, things like the Twilight Zone happened, and movies and horror games in general have so desensitized us to suspense-driven creepiness that it's very hard to read anything he wrote as a modern reader and get as much out of it as you would have if you were reading it in the 30s.

It's not just his assumptions about race or fear that science would ultimately kill us all or drive us insane that are kind of dissonant to modern audiences, it's that most of his stories just aren't scary for us now. But that's not really his fault or the fault of the work, it's the fact that we're not the same people we were 100 years ago.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

You mean aside from the time a dude rams Cthulhu with a boat and puts him back to sleep?

That's not really what happens in that story.

He starts to wake up because "the stars are right", and he goes back to sleep because they shift again. It's the cosmic equivalent of him hitting the snooze alarm.

It's made pretty clear that the boat doesn't really do much to him at all. And the real threat of the story isn't Cthulhu himself, as much as the cult (which can be thwarted, and which is probably going to kill the narrator after the story ends). When Cthulhu actually wakes up for good, everybody's pretty much fucked.

The narrator escapes Cthulhu. That's about the most you can hope for.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Imagine a true adaption of A Colour Out of Space.
Where after making a bunch of buildup, the main character very reasonably moves away.

People would hate it.

I'm trying to remember, but I can't recall if this is from that story or if I'm confusing it for another one, but doesn't that story end with the river being dammed and the whole area getting turned into a reservoir, implying that all of the locals are potentially drinking tainted space water? Or was it another story that ended that way?
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helIy posted...

HE MADE A MISTAKE

I make typos all the time. I've never claimed to be perfect. It probably says more about you than it does me if you've never noticed them before.

I've actually made more than I used to since I started typing posts on my current laptop, because it occasionally screws things up on me even aside from the things I screw up myself from writing nearly every post stream-of-consciousness style. But I usually try to reread a post after I've posted it to see if anything blatant leaps out at me (and if it does, I edit it).
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Mead posted...

we wouldnt be able to comprehend what was on the screen

If they could somehow make a show that would literally drive anyone watching it insane from cosmic horror, I'd respect them so much more.
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Zikten posted...

But I think the creatures they fight are from his ideas.

Fighting creatures also isn't very Lovecraftian.

In his philosophy, the true horror of things like Cthulhu isn't that they're monsters that want to destroy us, as much as it is that we're utterly insignificant to them. They can slay thousands of us without even realizing we're there, because we're not important to them in any way. Like how humans never worry (or even really notice or think about) about how many ants we kill when we build a house or dig out a hole for an in-ground pool.

To Lovecraft, humans are essentially powerless and doomed. And the more knowledge we gain, the more we learn how the universe truly works, the more terrified and insane we'll be, because we'd realize just how helpless we really are and how meaningless every facet of our existence is. We can't fight something like Cthulhu any more than a single ant can murder you and tear your entire house down. All you can really do is live in denial and hope you don't accidentally run into something that tears you apart on the molecular level from another dimension.

Most of the bullshit about using magical Elder Signs to fight cultists or otherwise giving characters anything resembling a hope of victory or success isn't actually Lovecraft - it's August Derleth's fanfiction versions of Lovecraft's stories. Most of what people think of as "The Cthulhu Mythos" was never actually written by Lovecraft.

An accurate Lovecraft TV show would probably be incredibly depressing to modern audiences.
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Revelation34 posted...

Is it Lovecraft in name only?

If it's set outside of New England, the main characters are black, and the show is anti-racism, it's definitely not Lovecraftian.
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Since we're piling on catastrophes, I'm just going to point out that GameFAQs apparently just changed its code again, forcing more invasive server pings into every page load if you want full functionality on the site. I just had to whitelist a couple more servers for javascript to be able to quotepost or vote in polls.

Truly, this is the darkest timeline.
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blu posted...

because theyre chasing happiness.

Studies have been done that suggest that the mere concept of wanting to be happy or believing that you should be happy is itself a major trigger for unhappiness.

The happiest people tend to be people who don't even have a concept of happiness, or who just never think about it. The more we all worry about being happy or try to be happy, the less likely we ever will be.

It also tends to tie into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_hedonism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill
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Wave, you really need to figure out which dark god you pissed off and find a way to make amends somehow.

I know you love and admire Spider-Man, but if you're going to try and emulate him you should aspire to his sense of responsibility and never-say-die attitude, not the "Parker Luck".
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When the race war begins, most of the people posting on this board are going to get themselves fisted to death in about 20 minutes.
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It's already started for some, so yes.
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It didn't have to explain them. It chose to explain them.

It chose... poorly.
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Muscles posted...

Antifa are violent assholes, and hypocrites who want fascism, just with their opinions, why would you want to defend them?

To be fair, if they're actually innocent, literally everyone should want to defend them.

It's not "Innocent until I don't like you, and then I hope you're wrongfully accused." At least not in any justice system I'd ever want to be subject to.

That being said, the real question is whether or not they ARE innocent or guilty.
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blu posted...

told her thanks for the reminder.

If you're going to go through life as a door mat, you should probably learn to be more zen about getting shit on.
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Zikten posted...

I'd buy a mansion and convert it into a gaming shrine. and just fill the house with every console and game.

Get a house with like two dozen spare rooms. Put one TV/monitor and one console in each room. Then decorate the room with tchotchkes and souvenirs from that console's IP (so lots of Mario and Link stuff in the Nintendo rooms, Halo/Master Chief stuff in the Xbox rooms, Pac-Man and ET ironically in the Atari 2600 room). Each room essentially becomes a shrine to that console, with the centerpiece being the ability to play games on that console.

Once you've got the whole thing set-up, you could always charge admission and invite people in like it was an overall video game museum.
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This was sort of that:

http://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/c64/578989-project-space-station
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Metalsonic66 posted...

JK bro I was just making a joke about the way you worded that

Well, to be fair, I do hate other people's happiness, and seek to destroy it as often as possible.
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You probably don't want to ask him for advice.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Wasn't bad at all.

It's crazy sweet, though. It's more like borderline alcoholic grape juice than it is an actual wine.
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I prefer purple.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Bouteille_de_Manischewitz%2C_c%C3%A9page_Concord.jpg
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CedarPointcp posted...

It was just that it was scrapped cause of too many catastrophes?

It was scrapped for two reasons. One, the tech was insanely obsolete (they were built on 1970s tech, some of which literally no longer existed, which NASA would have to salvage scrap yards or custom build to replace). And two, because it made further moon landings (as well as any other planetary landing anywhere other than Earth) impossible, because it required landing strips/runways to land (and if something went wrong and you couldn't make it to one, you were kind of fucked).

Really, the only selling point of the shuttles in the first place was that they were cheaper than normal rocket launches (because you could reuse the lander over and over). But they wound up limiting what we could do beyond simply launching/repairing/recovering satellites or traveling to space stations.

So a conscious decision was made to abandon them in favor of more modern tech that could be more easily repaired/replaced, and which could be used for eventual moon/Mars landings. But then you actually have to come up with worthwhile designs and build them, which costs money, which means most taxpayers whine about how much NASA is getting and demand cutbacks.

The rise of international space programs and private flights led to even more scaling back - there's definitely a belief that there's no reason to fund a national space program anymore if we can just subcontract out to other people.
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Mead posted...

This seems like a dumb goal but you do you

Could be worse. A friend of mine decided about 20 years ago that he was going to track down one of every console ever made, back to the 1970s/Gen 1, and as many games for each of them as he could possibly find (including odd foreign/import games, as long as they would play on a basic console). He refinished his basement so he could set up multiple TVs, with different input types, so he could effectively set up any one of the consoles whenever he wanted. Basically turned the whole thing into a gaming shrine.

He also had a Virtual Boy.

He was nowhere near having every game ever for any console (let alone every console), but he's sunk a LOT of money into that collection. He kind of tapered off after his second and third kid were born (twins), but he recently started up again (because like everyone else, he's stuck at home with too much free time at the moment).

What really made his plans utterly insane is that he wasn't just buying the games, he was trying to beat them all - or at least outsource beating them to other people. Whenever someone beat a game, he'd take a picture of the end screen and post it on his MySpace page (later shifted to a Facebook page, and at this point I have no idea where he's hosting the pics these days).

At least once, he held a party and had people over solely so that they could all kind of collaborate to beat some older NES games that he was having trouble with on his own. While having games on the other TVs as well so people could play other things (I was running a Jeopardy tournament on one of them, there was a fair bit of Halo going on at one point, etc). I think that might be the night I got really drunk and beat Zelda II for him, though it might actually be the night I got really drunk and beat Maniac Mansion instead.
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I've been watching way more GI Joe than is healthy for the human mind.

I'm getting tempted to go dig out my old Find-Your-Fate GI Joe books from 35 years ago and reread them again.

If this keeps going I may go completely insane, dig out the old Cobra Commander costume I made for Halloween like 15 years ago, and then just go around shouting at people in a loud raspy voice and trying to conquer the world.
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You fool!
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Hipster :P

Nah. I don't dislike those things because other people like them. I'm just pointing out that other people's criteria isn't necessarily mine.

As an example, the greatest platformer game of the last 20 years is still going to be a shitty game to me, because I don't like platformers. You may think it's the greatest game ever made - I'm still going to dislike it.

And it's far easier and more likely to dislike something for not being what I want, as opposed to it being something I do want, but somehow not being good enough at what it does to impress me while somehow everyone else absolutely loves it.



Zeus posted...

If there's something that's like it but better, I'd love to know about it.

Nearly every other WRPG released in the last 20 years, for starters.

Being an open sandbox doesn't really make up for mediocre combat mechanics and incredibly weak writing. Especially since the open-world is itself the reason why the narrative tends to be so disjointed and weak - they essentially can't write strong story structure because they have no idea where the player is going to go and when. Over-reliance on mission markers means they handicap exploration to some degree (in spite of that being one of its main selling points), and most missions are pretty interchangeable overall (as most of them just consist of clearing nearly identical dungeons and occasionally fighting a boss, occasionally broken up by fetch quests). It's part of why ESO managed to be a pretty effective MMO - a lot of Skyrim's framework was tailor-made for MMO style of play (this is not a compliment).

I'm also personally annoyed by the "nearly any NPC can die" mechanics, since they tend to cause far more annoyance and frustration than they ever do inspire a feeling of immersion or personal empowerment (especially when combined with bugs or poor coding that wind up killing NPCs for no good reason entirely outside of your control, locking you out of things with no recourse to fix it unless you're playing on PC and can cheat with console commands). Worse, that feeling of expendability (combined with the aforementioned problems with open-world narrative) means that most NPCs are incredibly generic, because they have neither the time nor the inclination to really delve into any character's personality or story (and the constantly repeated voice sets don't help with that either). It's not quite as bad as the cardboard cutout NPCs in Fable, but it tends to become obvious for much the same reason, when you're thinking about getting married (probably just to get the Achivement/Trophy), only to realize that it's barely worth bothering and there's very little difference between the potential partners anyway.

Combined with just how damned buggy the game can be (and how often you may need to check a FAQ or wiki to find ways to bypass quest-breaking bugs and glitches), and a lot of the Skyrim experience basically boils down to a lot of busywork punctuated by occasional frustration (from bugs, poor design, shit coding, or outright game crashes). For some people none of this matters because they think the scenery is beautiful and just enjoy looking at it, but that isn't going to be a selling point for everyone (and some people will be too distracted by the fact that 99% of the people in Skyrim look terrible unless you're using mods).

Speaking of mods, they're the main reason why people praise the game so much - because there are so many mods out there to tweak things in different ways. But that doesn't really change the fact that the base game is kind of mediocre (and says more about the creativity of the audience than it does about the worth of the developer).
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I feel like I'm more likely to dislike games people love than I am to just like them. If the reasons they love the game are things I care about, I'd probably be just as excited about it. But if the reasons why people love it are things I don't care about or actively dislike, then I'm going to be apathetic at best and at worst I'm going to hate it.

The only game I can honestly think of that I sort of enjoy but not LOVE that people can't stop jerking off over is Skyrim. I don't even remotely think it's the best RPG ever (or the best RPG of its era, or even just the best RPG of specific subgenres), but it's an okay time-waster/grind simulator if you're in the mood for that sort of thing. But I think it's more addictive than enjoyable.
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captpackrat posted...

No, you have to bombard yourself with gamma rays, get bitten by a radioactive spider, or land in a drum of toxic waste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq_RsNQjo7U
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My father had it, but it was fairly minor, and it didn't bother him enough to try and medicate for it or anything.

He actually did take quinine, though - in its simplest and safest form as part of tonic water. He deliberately drank tonic water for that reason (and for a couple others), and he said he thought it helped him, but it's always hard to judge from subjective anecdotal evidence.
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Mead posted...

It is more than a little suspicious that so many of these protests seemed to have flipped a switch and escalated into destruction and violence across the country in a seemingly narrow timeframe, after having been relatively peaceful and non confrontational for days

It's worth noting that mob mentality in general tends to become a very simplistic form of "monkey see, monkey do". All you really need is for one group to hit critical mass, which in turn will provoke other groups to follow suit. In a world where pretty much everyone is plugged in to the Internet at all times and information can circle the world a dozen times before you put on your shoes in the morning, it wouldn't take long at all for one spark to trigger an immediate and rapid response.

Basically, when humans gather in groups - whether physically or ideologically - we tend to get stupider and more emotional.
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For literally everything that exists on Earth, if there are at least three fans of that thing on the Internet, at least one of those fans will be toxic.

This is because people, in general, suck. And when you remove immediacy and consequences for actions from the equation, people allow that suck to blossom and bloom in full and vibrant view.
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I came in to vote for the animated series, but of the two provided options, I'm voting "None of the Above".
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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Too bad nobody told her that about half of protesters are just there to cause trouble. Because they know they can get away with it.

She knows, that's part of why she's pissed.
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I'm a wealthy adult white male. They basically exist to serve me.
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Usually 99% of YouTube recommendations are worthless trash to me, but it recommended this video/channel to me, and I kind of like the premise of this particular series of videos he's put out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3uWY5hTU0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_E97MDCIX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pgyW1LoC0

I think I shouted something along the lines of "Oh fuck yes!" at least a couple times per video.

There's also a bunch of other interesting videos on his site (between him and Todd in the Shadows One Hit Wonderland videos, I've apparently been on a music theory kick lately).
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papercup posted...

Eww. american cheese is concentrated awful.

It's literally just a mild cheddar.
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Lokarin posted...

$500 to destroy the world.

brb, I've got to go make a bank withdrawal.



Revelation34 posted...

Never heard of that one.

WHAT?! What madness is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBaZHONIWOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGgCIlDQ9A8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1f-_s6EqXc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLpGdxQibw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo6RH1HG9oI

It was the first miniseries of the cartoon, which was popular enough to greenlight a second miniseries (The Weather Dominator), which in turn led to the first full series (which itself started with the Pyramid of Darkness miniseries). The cartoon only ran for two seasons, after which it was essentially cancelled. They'd made a movie to sort of cap things off, but wound up only releasing it on TV/VHS rather than in theaters (as opposed to Transformers getting a theatrical release).

They technically brought it back for a "season three", but it was radically different, was produced by an entirely different studio, with cheaper animation budget, and pretty much everything about it was worse.

After that they've occasionally rebooted the franchise every now and then, but like most 80s kids, I don't really give a shit about any of it other than the original series.



Revelation34 posted...

Am I the only one that remembers Exosquad?

I vaguely remember the name, but I know nothing about it.
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"Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76
"POwned again." --- blight family

No just on principle, because Pepsi.

But also no in general, because bleh.



Muscles posted...

Its decent but I feel like you might as well just get vanilla icecream and make a float

If you're going to do that, you'd also be better off with root beer instead of cola.
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"Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76
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