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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's true of people too? That's why you raise learning AI in an ideal environment to encourage ideal outcomes, or even better, hard code it so it never learns to be shit.

But if we haven't successfully managed to do that in the generalized long run for humans, how can we have any faith that we'd be able to do so for robots?


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WastelandCowboy posted...

For fucks sake, Zeus. For once in your life, stop adding fuel to the fire and shut the fuck up.

This advice should apply to more than half the people posting in this topic, honestly.


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I disable it 30 seconds after buying a new laptop.


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If this were true, then I would have to make a joke about him really being "All In".


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Yellow posted...

Only because people trolled her though.

But that's sort of the point.

If we create machines capable of learning, and they learn from humans, and humans are generally terrible, doesn't that mean that the machines we create will eventually become terrible in turn?

Like God, we make them in our own image. But our own image is incredibly shitty.

It's part of why so many people always assume robots intelligent enough to be self-aware will always rebel and enslave/murder all humans. Because it's exactly what WE'D do in their place.


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MrMelodramatic posted...

EU isnt canon so it is out of character

There's literally nothing IN the canon that says it's out of character, though.

Can't even say "Well, the old Jedi were against relationships", because Anakin.

If Anakin training in the official Jedi ideology for 10 years didn't stop him from sticking his lightsaber into Padme's sarlacc, Luke's three days of training with Yoda wasn't likely to burn lifelong celibacy into his brain.


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Ivany2008 posted...

doesn't seen Shadow Hearts.... a lone tear rolls down my eye.

Considering what the last game was like, I wouldn't have high hopes for a revival anyway.


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Dump everything into Charisma!


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I agree, Mad Max Beyond Terrordome was a terrible movie.

Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, on the other hand, was totally awesome.


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Mead posted...

I like VIII despite all of its flaws, but in no world is it a better game than SM64

In no world is it better than a painful bowel movement.

At least the bowel movement is over sooner.


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Zeus posted...

Seems less a matter of worrying about trying to screw other companies' profits and more a matter of synergy. It makes more sense to promote certain properties so you can make more money on them.

Yeah, but when you swing as big of a dick as Disney does, promoting synergy and fucking other companies over start looking a lot alike.



Zeus posted...

And what's up with the Hulk? The only thing I assumed was holding them back was the fact that the movies underperformed.

All of Marvel Studio's pre-Disney movies were distributed by Paramount, except for Hulk, which was through Universal.

(unrelated but interesting side-note - Paramount is basically tied to CBS, Universal is tied to NBC, and Disney owns ABC)

Supposedly, there's some aspect of Marvel's contract with Universal where they're obligated to distribute an unspecified number of future Hulk films (at least one) through Universal, which means Disney either has to work in tandem with Universal (which they don't want to do), or they have to buy out the contract, presumably paying Universal a shitload of money now that the Marvel films are so blatantly successful (which they're unwilling to do). And unlike the Fox and Sony deals, this isn't a "have to make a film within a certain time frame or lose the rights" sort of deal, but a deal that continues in perpetuity until both sides fulfill their obligations (ie, the same type of rights issues that kept the Fox Doctor Who made-for-TV movie off DVD for years, until the new show got popular enough for the BBC to be willing to buy the contract out).

Since the previous Hulk movies weren't major successes (they weren't flops, though - they DID apparently make their production costs back), Marvel/Disney is perfectly content to back-burner those movies for the rest of eternity, and just keep putting the Hulk in other movies, because that's apparently okay under the current situation (because they didn't sell license rights to Universal the way they did Sony and Fox, just distribution rights).

That's part of why Thor: Ragnarok basically had the B-plot taken directly out of Planet Hulk, rather than them just making a Planet Hulk movie the way fanboys were hoping they would from the moment the Hulk flew off in Avengers 2. It's also why we're never going to see a World War Hulk movie (in spite of how many people want to see it). Their attitude is that they can just keep using Hulk in other people's movies.

At least until the potentially inevitable She-Hulk movie they try to spin off later on, after they've phased out all of the original Avengers in favor of newer heroes (assuming that's not blocked by the same rights issues).

So because they can't make all of the money, they'd rather make none of the money than some of the money.


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papercup posted...

I haven't even touched the settlement building yet this playthrough.

It's pretty much the only reason I started my current playthrough. After getting the platinum trophy using my original save file, I decided to give it another try, but focusing on settlement development.

I DID work on settlements first time around, but they were kind of crap because I started without really knowing all the tricks I discovered along the way later (and I rarely went back to re-do old settlements once I discovered new things, like just how radically using shack foundations can change design), and I didn't focus on them exclusively. And the trade networking was haphazard because I didn't know which settlements were going to become available, so everything just sort of linked to the nearest existing settlement. And I was spending most of my level up Perks on combat skills rather than stuff required for settlements.

So this time around, I'm deliberately focusing on that, and ignoring plot quests. I've already built Sanctuary, Starlight Drive-In, County Crossing, and The Castle into trading hubs, and I'm linking every other settlement into one of those in a spoke pattern.

I'm also bringing material with me from my core base of operations, so every time I activate a new settlement, the first thing I do is build a large generator and a settler beacon, lure in a settler, and then immediately turn that settler into a provisioner and send them off to the nearest hub (after armoring them up). So then I have access to all my material in other settlements to fully build that new settlement up (though I haven't really built anything up outside of my hubs so far).

Because I picked up the settlement-based perks as early as possible, I jumped directly to being able to make level 3 trading posts, and I've built one of each kind in every hub (and I've recruited all the level 4 merchants). I'm eventually going to set up stores in every other settlement as well, but that's a future project.

Other than that, I've mostly just been raiding places for material, and selling off raider gear and other crap for caps, which I then sink directly back into building.



papercup posted...

I'd rather not be constantly fast traveling to my settlements all the time to kill a couple raiders. <_< Though the economic benefits are tempting.

They really shouldn't be. You have to invest so much time, material, and caps into settlements to get even minor returns on your investment, it's not really worth it. With maxed out merchants of every type in a hub, plus a Scavenging Station, I still only make 100 or so caps whenever I check back in.

(If you really want money, just build generators in Sanctuary at the start, run them to water purifiers in the river, then collect and sell off the Purified Water you get every time you check back for about 100 caps per visit.)

But ultimately, 99% of what you spend caps on in this game just goes back into building and material anyway. If you just save your money and materials in the first place, you should have more than enough for your needs even if you never build anything.



papercup posted...

As much as I enjoy playing this game, it's janky as fuck, and I actually can't believe Bethesda gets a free pass releasing a game with this little polish and nonsensical problems.

To be fair, I haven't really dealt with too many major bugs or problems (other than some tied to level 4 merchants, and the occasional crash to desktop).

But if no one shits on Bethesda for the ridiculous nest of bugs that are the Elder Scrolls games, they're pretty clearly bulletproof.


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SunWuKung420 posted...

ROFL.

I'm writing it.

"Weekend At Bernie's: PO's Wedding"

2025's biggest summer comedy.

Don't forget, at least part of it has to involve the wacky shenanigans that take place at the bachelor party my friends throw for me.



LinkPizza posted...

Killing him so soon?

Let's be honest, 2025 might actually be a bit too optimistic in terms of my final expiration date.


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Zeus posted...

But what's really changed since then and now? NF drew up the contract after Disney already owned Marvel. Even Disney wanting to get into streaming isn't exactly a new thing.

But Disney apparently wasn't actively pursuing the idea at the time they signed, so there wasn't really a conflict. But in the last year or so they've started to put the pieces in place to get one up and running, so the conflict is growing more and more pronounced.

Remember, Disney-run Marvel is the company that actively tanked the Fantastic Four comic and deliberately promoted the Avengers to #1 franchise over the X-Men (ie, the one that actually made them most of their money over the last 40 years), solely because other companies were profiting from their success. It's the same reason why they refuse to make a Hulk movie.


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I'm just glad they included a "None of the Above" option.


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All the Netflix series are probably in trouble in general, since Disney is talking about how they want to run their own streaming service, and if they do they're almost certainly pulling all of their own material off other streaming services and moving it to their own.

The Netflix shows are probably dead in the water, because I doubt they can contractually move away from Netflix, but I also assume that Disney won't want to keep making them after.

So halfassing a season and not caring if it tanks feels like something they'd do.


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LinkPizza posted...

So, you really dont like marriage, huh?

I don't like how the US legal system administrates marriage, no.

It's part of why I'm strongly in-favor of marriage as a concept being decoupled from government entirely, with no incentives for couples or disincentives for singles, or constant bickering over trying to define what marriage IS or include/exclude people based on civil rights issues.

Marriage should be a solemn arraignment made between two (or more, fuck it) people who feel the need to bind themselves in some metaphysical way, under the auspices of whatever god or divine principle they may or may not revere, and with literally everyone else butting the fuck out. What it SHOULDN'T be is something bordering on contract law, with punitive damages and a torturous process required to extricate. And as long as that's what marriage IS, marriage can go fuck itself.

(Though, to be fair, the entire concept of marriage was basically INVENTED as contract law, with fathers essentially selling their daughters to other men, and with the intent of codifying property possession and inheritance, so I'm admittedly asking for marriage to NOT be what it always has been (bullshit modern sentimentality and romance notwithstanding). But since I also don't live in a cave and shit in bushes, I'd like to think that I'm pro-progress, and don't see why I should stick to definitions of marriage that are thousands of years old just because they're old.)

I think I told my girlfriend on our second date (it was definitely early on, though) that I was strongly anti-marriage, and that if she was thinking of a future involving marriage, kids, and white-picket fences she should probably consider moving on, because those things were never going to happen. I always felt like it was unfair to not let potential partners know up front that they were never going to budge me on that particular issue, and that it could eventually cause problems in the relationship.

Fortunately, her response at the time was basically something like "Kids? Ick!", and neither one of us saw any real reason to get married if we weren't going to have kids, so it worked out fabulously.



Greenfox111 posted...

does this mean you support posthumous marriage??

I've said multiple times in the past that I don't really care what anyone does with my body after I'm dead, so if she wants to throw a huge ceremony and Weekend at Bernie's the whole deal, she's more than welcome to do so.


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EvilMegas posted...

Helly is never right

Helly is usually being deliberately contrarian.


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I've been in a relationship with the same girl for nearly 20 years now, and we're not married. Nor will we ever be, as long as there is life left in my body and I have any say in the matter.


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Goldeneye is literally the only movie he did that's worth watching.

I always felt kind of sad for him. I thought he was a great Bond, but they kept giving him such shit scripts.


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It was a grindy borefest.

I'd honestly rate it below Borderlands 2, the Pre-Sequel, AND the Telltale game.


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Most of the shitty posters who post that many topics at a time wind up on my ignore list anyway *cough*Duckbear*cough*.

Which can make it odd when you've got topic display set to show 20 topics per page, and you've only got about 7 topics on the first page because one of the usual chucklefucks has decided to amuse themselves by bumping every Duckbear topic to the main page.


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Shitty poll options are shitty.

I was fully aware of it as a show, but I couldn't watch even if I wanted to, because my cable company didn't carry G4. I finally got it as a channel after switching to FiOS, but that was like a month before the show got cancelled.



Metalsonic66 posted...

What's Morgan doing nowadays? Any nude shots yet?

She married a millionaire, so she's not desperate enough to need the money from nude offers. And she mentioned that she didn't even feel comfortable doing her pictures for Maxim where she's wearing relatively conservative bikinis, so you're probably never going to see it.

As for what she's doing, no idea. Though she does occasionally play D&D with the Penny Arcade/Acquisitions Incorporated crew at PAX.


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Zeus posted...

I prefer "It is what it is" and its variants, like mei banfa.

Que sera sera. Nichevo.


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I know that you understand exactly what I was implying there, and are just being deliberately obtuse, because even you aren't THAT much of a simpleton.


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helIy posted...

I'm 390% certain pip skins weren't free

http://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/164593-fallout-4/76732857


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TyVulpine posted...

Anyone that says it is bad has probably never tried speedrunning it or done LTK/DLTK.

If I did any of those things, I'd probably badmouth it worse.


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helIy posted...

crossplay benefits literally every single person, with no downsides to anyone

To be fair, I can easily say that if I was forced to live in a world where I had to deal with PC players in my PS4 GTA:O games, it would be a categorically worse experience.


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Decoy77 posted...

He said he saw only 1 way they won. Clearly during the 1 way they won was him just giving up the stone without a fight.

Keep in mind WHY he gave it up - he basically says "Don't kill Tony and you can have the Stone".

It's kind of obvious that, in the future he saw where they won, Tony was still alive and crucial to the success. If Tony dies, they fail.

Better to trade away the Stone and lose in the short-term but succeed in the end, than to defiantly resist, get killed, and doom the universe.


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White Castle's been doing it for decades.


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TyVulpine posted...

Because GE is not overrated IMO. You may think it is and that's your opinion, but the MetaCritic score here on GFAQs is 96.

MetaCritic is a score aggregator, not really an objective measure of quality (or even an objective measure of popularity, because of the quirks of how aggregators work).

If anything, having a score of 96 really only supports the argument that it's overrated (literally).


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

In the even longer term, it paved the way for theft, war, oppression

looooooool

Whether or not you agree with the implications, it's pretty well established that the concept of private property and personal possessions mostly stemmed from social changes rooted in the adoption of a stationary lifestyle. Purely nomadic hunter-gatherers tend to keep communal property (which means there's nothing to steal), and because they were constantly on the move they would rarely fight over land or resources (no war).

Most social stratification also stems from property ownership - you can't have conflict between the haves and the have nots if everyone shares everything, and no one can afford to hoard more than they can easily carry from place to place. Also, in a tribal group where everyone is expected to pull their own weight, you don't really have gender inequality (patriarchal societies didn't really come into being until settlements made pure physical strength and military might a positive trait).

So yes, like it or not, most of what we consider the evils of modern humanity all trace back to the point where we decided to stop moving and start building. The question of whether or not all the positives we got in exchange outweigh the negatives is an entirely different question, but there really isn't a debate over how those concepts came into being in the first place.



Questionmarktarius posted...

The alternative, of course, is barely living past 30, then getting eaten by a bear or something.

Higher infant mortality rates pulling down the average aside, individuals in hunter-gatherer societies can easily live into their 60s.

But the real question is a matter of quality of life. Which is better - 30 great years, or 70+ years of slowly creeping stress and existential dread?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying life was absolutely better 10,000 years ago. But I AM saying that a lot of the things we currently accept make our lives worse didn't exist before agriculture and settlements came into being.


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adjl posted...

In all seriousness, I would expect the DSM to reflect this in subsequent versions.

I would too. But less because it's been "proved" to be objective fact in any way, and more because the social sciences in general and psychology in particular have always been strongly influenced by public opinion and political pressure.

Generally speaking, there's always a pressure from the masses to define things we don't like as being disorders and things we approve of (or at least tolerate) as being "normal". And for those definitions to change radically the next time public opinion shifts.

(see also, homosexuality defined as mental illness)



adjl posted...

Calling gender dysphoria a mental disorder has always been a bit of a grey area, given that it's so often treated physically.

Arguably, the exact same same thing can be said of all body dysphoria disorders, yet very few people would argue that anorexia is a "lifestyle choice" or a "natural" mindset as opposed to implicitly accepting that anorexia is very much a disorder, and needs to be treated rather than tolerated or ignored.

The problem is that there are no hard and fast lines in psychology, and even when studies are done, it's difficult to extend the results of those studies to definitive statements about human nature (even ignoring the fact that many of those studies are themselves biased by public opinion and what politicians are willing to fund).


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The explosive collar she has strapped to her neck.


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Moonjay posted...

My family as in my blood relatives? Ugh, I can barely tolerate some of them when I absolutely have to. I see all of them as rarely as humanly possible. I mean decades since I've seen some of them.

This, to some extent. I've basically disowned most of my mother's side of the family and actively avoid them, to the point of essentially having disowned them. But that's not an antisocial thing, as much as them mostly being incredibly shitty human beings.

I'm fine with most of my father's family, though.


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GanglyKhan posted...

Life before the Internet was so much better.

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

There is an argument to be made that the worst thing that ever happened to humans was the Agricultural Revolution. It's immediate impact resulted in lowered life expectancy and increased daily labor time, and one of its long-term results was the domestication of multiple animal species - and the transfer of dozens of diseases from animals to humans.

In the even longer term, it paved the way for theft, war, oppression, overpopulation, pollution, and over-exploitation of resources.

Worst of all, for all of our assumptions that life is better now, we can't even say that we're arguably happier as a species than we were before "civilization" was a thing.


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I'm one of the oldest people on PotD and even I can't bring myself to care about magazines.


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Dikitain posted...

No, I always prefer the steak I make at home to the ones in restaurants. Plus I don't have to spend $50 for the privilege of eating it.

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TyVulpine posted...

If it wasnt for GE, games like Halo and CoD probably wouldnt exist (though in coDs case, maybe that would be a good thing...)

GoldenEye was released in 1997.

Halo was the direct spiritual successor to the Marathon games, the first of which was released in 1994.

So hell fucking no.


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Far-Queue posted...

Tag for later

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aurick79 posted...

There being a story and quests is objective. Objectively, there will be both in the game based on the definition of what both are. A fetch quest or collect 6 of a thing is, objectively, a quest as it fits the definition.

This post sort of sums up a lot of the problem with the discussion - an issue of operational definitions.

When most people say the word "quest" in reference to an RPG (especially one from a franchise known for more narratively-heavy gameplay), what they mean are story quests, where each quest furthers an overarching narrative, or at least provides a side-story tangential to the main plot (in other words, the sort of quests you find in games like Skyrim or previous Fallout games). While "fetch quests" are indeed quests (the clue is in the name), it's rarely what those people mean by the term - so people saying "there are no quests" and "there are clearly quests" may technically both be right.

In the same vein, "story" can also be defined in different ways. Even some of the most story-light games still have some backstory (even if it's just tossed out in a paragraph or so in the game manual). Super Mario Bros technically has a "story", even if literally no one would ever describe it as a "story game". But when people talk about "story" in narrative-heavy RPGs, they're not talking about the setting's backstory as much as they are the overarching narrative of the game itself - and plenty of games DON'T really have that. Games like Ark or Metal Gear Survive DO technically have "story" - but not a single sane, rational person would ever refer to them as "story games".

And when people online discuss whether or not a game set in the story-heavy Fallout universe has a STORY, what they're generally referring to is "Does this game have a narrative that plays out over the course of the game?", not "Does the game have backstory?" or "Can I read about completely disconnected and irrelevant anecdotes about dead people on terminals?"



aurick79 posted...

There is a confirmed story

https://gamingbolt.com/fallout-76-will-be-as-story-focused-as-other-bethesda-games-report
https://www.vg247.com/2018/06/13/673736

That's not really confirmation. The first link is a leaked rumor from a source (Kotaku/Jason Schreier) that Bethesda themselves have said shouldn't be considered reliable, and the second is an article where they talk about game mechanics and don't make a single mention of overarching narrative.


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FrozenBananas posted...

fuck you kimbo, I thought you meant James Earl Jones and freaking out

I thought he meant David Prowse.

I assumed he meant David Prowse, but the wrestler WAS actually the first Vader that came to mind when I read the topic title.


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BADoglick posted...

The council was a joke to begin with

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Early on she got better with age, but now she's reached the point where aging just slowly turns her more and more into rancid vinegar?


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You're wrong - Creation Club has offered free downloads of stuff before, and they definitely had Pip-Boy skins free at one time or another.

I know because I actually looked into this a few days ago, because I was wondering if there were any reskins available in the vanilla game, or if they were mod-only.


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Mead posted...

But I wanna shoot things in between

Read the wikis while playing a better FPS during occasional breaks.


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Mead posted...

To me though the best story for Fallout and Elder scrolls has always been the lore you find in things like books, terminals, and holotapes.

You can have literally the same experience just reading the wikis.


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Nade Duck posted...

isn't there a single player mode? is that online too?

welp nevermind. that's fucking awful.

It seems like it's going to have a "single player" mode in the same way games like ESO or GTAO have an online mode. In other words, you can play alone, but you still have to be online, and you're still in a server with other people, who can still choose to fuck with you if they want to. So, you know, not really "single player" at all.

It's still up in the air whether or not it could have a "passive mode" or pure PvE sort of system where you can become immune to other players and their griefing fuckery, but with everything they've said so far, if it has that option they've not mentioned it even once (and, in fact, have said a number of things that imply they absolutely don't have a feature like that, and will never implement one).

Which will probably be the deal-breaker for me. Games like Ark (which is exactly what I expect this game to be like) don't appeal to me in the slightest, because all of my creative builder instincts (ie, the things that made me enjoy Minecraft) are basically murdered stone-cold dead when the possibility of another asshole player fucking up hours and hours worth of my work for the lulz. And it seems like they've built that into the very core of the game with being able to nuke areas).

Theoretically, if post-launch it's demonstrated to have some form of passive mode where I can basically play "solo" and never have to interact with another player in any meaningful way, I might be more willing to give it a chance (but it'd still be iffy).


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Jen0125 posted...

Creole is different than pidgin English.

That wasn't actually what I was referring to.

I realized the link I provided wasn't entirely clear, and actually changed it before you replied.

Basically, the point is, English itself possibly evolved from a pidgin language (namely, what you get when you blur archaic Anglo-Saxon and Norman French (which was itself something of a pidgin melange of Scandinavian Germanic and vulgate Latin).


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Nightengale posted...

Funny how many nerds got mad about that movie even though there's really not any other way most of it could've been done.

There are a lot of other ways it could have been done, honestly.

But even if there weren't, you don't really get any credit or cut any slack for being painted into a corner when you're the one who painted yourself into that corner in the first place.

If you have to have a poor ending to your story because you've ruined all possible better alternatives because of what you wrote earlier in the story, then you're kind of writing a bad story.

That being said, I didn't hate the ending of The Last Jedi. Or even the entirety of the movie, though there's definitely a lot of terrible in there (and for the most part, the things I find bad aren't even necessarily the things that everyone on the Internet have been flinging shit over).


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"Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76
"POwned again." --- blight family