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wallmasterz posted...

So we cant clear someone just because scum ulti didnt pretend to suspect them

Either Ulti named no scum on his list or he should have been trying to bus the scum from his list

Do you agree with this?

You think it's me and FD but you voted me earlier after I voted FD?

Why does me x FD make any sense. I feel like you're not even trying to find a scummate for me that makes sense.

Here is what I challenge you to do.

1. Assume I am scum. Find my scummate based on how the two of us have played the game. Use actual examples from the game to support your stance.
2. Assume I am not scum. Find the two scum based on how they have played the game. Use actual in game posts and actions to support your stance.

Complete both exercises and share the results.

Of course he posts reads now as I make that post. That poe actually looks decent if you throw me out.

Let's talk about Corrik. Why do you think Ulti would not bus Corrik if he's scum? Can you give a reason for that? Do you think Ulti is above bussing?

Like he can't give any town reads

Can't give a third scum in case he's wrong. Can scarcely even give a second scum.

I think the problem wallz is having is that my reads have been for the most part good so he's finding precious little people for me to get steered into so he has to just grit his teeth and call me scum and hope no one notices he's not actually playing the game.

Wallz is like willfully avoiding trying to do anything that isn't getting me lynched pretty much

10

Single handedly makes its game worth playing (and imo in contention for best PW game) and probably the main reason I considered not giving 1-3 a 9.

Just perfect. It feels so high stakes with Maya's involement, the twists all hit, it doesn't overstay its welcome, and the annoying staple characters that plague other cases don't do more than they should.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast
Robot Chicken
Rick and Morty

Unlike a lot of people in this game I show my work

I can walk you through the full evolution of my suspicions and it's largely all there for you to read

Compare to Sir Chris who has gone

Lopen scum -> Lopen bad town -> Lopen scum
Sultan lock scum I tunnel him for 30 hours -> Sultan is ignored even when he claims an ability -> Sultan still ignored
FD might be a good shot for vig -> I'm going to lynch Lopen instead of considering FD might be scum

Or Wallz who has gone I tunnel Lopen all game -> actually Lopen might be town it's Kirby -> no wate it's Lopen again

Note you and Sultan have both given some merit to lynching mzero btw. As did Lea. You're not all scum so don't act like it's absurd to the point where you'd have to he scum to consider it.

Like you can say "oh why is mzero in your town pile" but no one actually made a very compelling case other than "why would scum bus" I basically had to dig it up myself

(Sbell was only scum because of Mzero read-- doesn't actually count)

Forceful_Dragon posted...

There are two people in your town pile who you said you previously would be lynching today at the exclusion of any others.

Wondering if you knew that.

I do but now I've digested the flips and stuff

Really you just need to talk me through why people being scum doesn't make sense with logic that isn't "but why would they bus???"

I think I'm pretty set in this btw.

Like if I start conspiracy braining into my town pile just lynch me right away.

I honestly think Chris is slam dunk scum and then depending what he flips you fork into Sultan or Wallz depending on whether he flips GF or not

Like I know you think it's me but I have no idea who your other suspects are and who is even in your town pile. I actually know at least two of FD's suspects

Can everyone give their top Scum choices and town reads?

This is me right now

Scum
Chris
Wallz
Sultan

Town
Mzero
Corrik
Sbell

??? (Leaning town)
FD

Have you, wallz?

Good enough for me

Now ISO Sir Chris and realize I'm right and let's win

Mudkip
Hariyama
Rayquaza
Salamance

The Boss

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You seem to be of the impression that scum actually scanned me (and with who/what?) whereas I was only of the impression that a caught ulti was going down with a salvo of bullshit.

Incorrect. I'm saying if scum did scan you that wouldn't make any sense because scum having an alignment detecting role doesn't make sense so them actually having scanned to get that info made a lot less sense than Ulti just knowing you're GF or something.

My issue was more that I thought you were not denying Ulti was telling the truth about how you scan-- so you're saying there's nothing in your role that you're aware of that implies you scan as anything other than your proper alignment, right?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also I didn't deny being 4th alignment? The hell I didn't.

My response is that scum must surely kill me to stop me from using my power to get them lynched with fewer total votals, and that once I'm dead at scums hands everyone will see me having flipped town.

In what world is "my body will flip town" not a denial? .

Ulti seemed to imply you'd scan as 4th alignment which you specifically did not deny

You said you're town but how I read it is you were miller(ish), not outright denying how you're scanned

That being said

I think 3 scum with Scare being able to kill himself seems really rough for scum

It is probably 4 scum with the excess of killing roles being tempered by Ulti and Scare's suiciding at mylo if the conditions aren't met

Forceful_Dragon posted...

My conclusions are that it might have been 3vs12 to prevent scare from running away with the game with strong RNG and to give Ulti more time to knock out his list before mylo.

I could see this actually. Ulti apparently not having any bus targets on his list would fit that scenario a lot better too.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We still don't know what circumstances put a gun in Chris's hand but he seemed to say he did not have the option to kill on night 1.

I think Chris is a scum extra kill that only works if 2+ scum are dead.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sounds like you only think Chris is scum cuz wallz reaching

Not at all

Chris has a lot of strikes against him. His suspicion list has low key been everywhere. Day 1 he was tunneling you, day 2 he abandoned you and didn't bat an eyelash when you had a killing ability when he apparently also has one. Day 2 he was saying kill FD, when I suggest to do it day 3 he says I'm scum. He also spent the first bit of the game basically using roleplaying as a crutch to do nothing useful-- and frankly I can't see why scum would kill Lea over him if Chris himself wasn't scum.

Lynching Chris first over wall is mostly used to help solve wall. If Chris just flips scum scanning scum we can mostly clear wall. I think they're both scum BUT Chris + you or Chris + FD is kind of a possibility too.

It could be Chris + FD (+ ???)

Chris having zero interest in pursuing FD and instead lateraling to me is also weird considering he was saying Lea shooting him was a solid pick yesterday

At this point I pretty much only want to lynch Chris though. Him going for the lynch on me just doesn't fit his game up through this point. If we want to consider whether it's FD we can do that after Chris flips.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But if wallz is town this makes no sense to lynch Chris before Wallz

What? If Wallz is town we don't want to lynch him at all?

Corrik7 posted...

If he was godfather, he wouldn't need to discern if you were bluffing.

He would

I just said Chris was scum. I could have figured that out via something like MZero's ridiculous "I saw the whole flavor" scan or detective or whatever else.

On the flip side

If Chris is just a guilty scanning scum it makes Wallz look better as I feel scum would have more reason to believe me and kill me n1 if they had reason to believe it was a legitimate scan

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Am I missing something? When did Chris scan Town?? Or am exhausted and being an idiot lol

When I revealed I scanned Chris scum Wallz immediately began role fishing and trying to figure out how I knew he was scum.

It didn't seem town at all and the natural conclusion I reached was that Chris was GF so he was using that to discern if I was bluffing.

Further he started day 2 immediately attacking me which feels like he was running interference from me claiming my scan on Chris because even as a bluff it would be dangerous.

##Vote: Chris

No more posts from me for a good while

Please try to solve the game so I'm not just talking to myself

Sultan also feels a lot more in character to suspect me than Chris

Sultan is always paranoid of me
Chris tends to say "Lopen is Lopening:

In the end the reason I'd rather vote Chris is

If Chris DOESN'T flip GF it makes Wallz look a lot better

It's either 2/3 of them or all of them, but Chris's flip allows us to solve Wallz vs Sultan pretty easily

At the moment

My lynch preference is

Chris >= Wallz >> Sultan.

Ultimately I can't reconcile why Chris who has an extra kill doesn't immediately jump to Sultan being scum yesterday after he suspected him day 1 and encourage Lea to shoot Sultan.

Like to me it seems like he'd want to claim "I kill I don't think town has that many extra kills"

Perhaps Chris is scum extra kill that only unlocks when 2 scum have fallen.

Anyway

I implore you

SBell
Corrik
FD
MZero

And whoever is town (if any) of Sir Chris, Wallz, and Sultan

This game is quickly becoming idle central. Do not allow scum to lynch me for trying to solve the game again and being ridiculous again. Yes you can blame me but at some point some of the blame falls on you for continuing to mislynch me late game for playing the same way I always do.

Help me figure out which two of the three it is out of those guys it is (or if it's all 3 just agree to consolidate on someone)

And let's get it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80732461

This is what IGCD meant to post

wallmasterz posted...

pre-emptively attacking me as I suspect FD but I'm not sure

We got here with 10 hours of sleeping and digesting the game state and seeing how people reacted to my vote

Official guess

Wallz + Sultan + Chris

Everyone who thinks I'm town and wants to work together, work to convince me of one of those three. No longer interested in an FD lynch or an MZero lynch.

I strongly prefer Wallz of the three but Sultan + Chris are having big scummate energy the longer this game unfolds so I'm willing to listen to arguments for any of the three.

I still think if we flipped Chris as GF we'd basically have Wallz caught so there is that to consider if you're feeling it.

Honestly at the moment I want to flip Wallz and see if he has a lylo suicide mechanic like Ulti and Scare both had

Perhaps scum is loaded with extra kills and the mechanic that balances them out is that if the game ends too quickly they just all die.

Chris jumping to suspecting me now does undoubtedly feel opportunistic-- and a big thing that had me suspecting Wallz was him fishing for how I scanned Chris.

Why did Chris bury the Sultan lead so easily when he suspected him day 1 and Sultan had an extra extra kill? I don't see the scum equity for killing Kirby but maybe it's just he thought Kirby might be 3p?

Ugh. POE now has Chris back in it. Let's just lynch Wallz and go from there.

##Vote: Wallz

Sbell

Here are the posts of note

UltimaterializerX posted...

Almost forgot.

Speaking of FD, he really is a fourth alignment because we scanned him as such. Telling town this doesnt violate any playing to win rules, and we truly dont even know if this makes him not-town in the first place. Call it WIFOM or lying all you want, but both this and that message telling me I should target Andy absolutely did happen night 1. The fact that no one claimed the message means it wasnt sent by town, because that message should auto town confirm given my own alignment. Ergo, it probably wasnt sent by town and we have a third fourth party scan confirmed in the game now. Im like 95% sure FD sent me that message last night.

FD is not on my mafia team. This is an absolute truth. He could be town with shenanigans going on, who knows, but the fourth alignment scan happened. Take this as you will.

Anyone want to ask questions while Im having my fun?

Enchantress posted...

I don't know why scum would have an alignment scan so I don't put much stock in it tbh

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Lea correctly points out that scum wouldn't have any reason to have a scan that detects alignments

However FD at no point in this conversation outright denies that he has a 4th alignment scan-- he merely says that scum is setting him up and that he will flip town.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

lol Ulti. Nice posturing, but you and I both know that scum is going to have to to kill me at some point to remove the chance of me lynching scum in low player situations. And when you have to do that I'll be flipped town anyways.

What this means is that Ulti was likely right-- the only reason he'd know this is one of the following

• Scum has an alignment based scan.
• Ulti read his scummate's role PM and threw some WIFOM in there

I am heavily leaning that there are just three scum here (counter balanced by Scare being suicidal and Ulti usually dying at LYLO if scum gets too far ahead) and Wallz/Sultan are pre-emptively attacking me as I suspect FD but I'm not sure.

You Don't Know Jack

So anyway I noticed when I left with an afk vote on FD the following things happened

Wallz ratcheted up aggression
Sultan ratcheted up aggression/shade

Everyone else kinda just was like "ok why"

Meaning if FD is actually scum your remaining scum is almost certainly in Wallz and Sultan. And I kinda think it could be both.

(Chris did too but he's town because scum never shoots Kirby there-- he's just wrong, probably roleplaying again cause we like being wrong)

Funny thing is you also didn't say the obvious counter argument

You should be trying to confirm mzero is town -- there was a much better answer to it not being a bus than "herp why would he bus his teammate that Lea was going to shoot" that I found not you or FD or Sultan.

Mzero himself didn't even believe that when he said that was a slip he was just antagonizing me.

I was saying the ability is "super overpowered" as stated because I was theorizing it doesn't exist at all and was quite literally just mzero reading his scummate's role PM

I will say given Ulti's ability is kind of an escape valve for scum sweeping too early I could see the game actually having 5 scum

My POE is currently FD Wallz Sultan

Lopen posted...

he's right about his 4th alignment because he has MZero's dayscan ability

By the way this is a joke about him reading scummate role PMs

Please don't say I slipped again lol

So here's how it is

Yes I obviously thought Kirby and possibly Lea were scum. My mind doing as it does jumped to scum thinking the game was in hand if mzero didn't get caught because why would scum shoot Lea.

Anyway once Mzero declared he had a million ways to not die it became clear to me that he probably doesn't bluff about that as scum. His unwillingness to share his remaining abilities felt townish

I decided to go back and reread day 2. Mzero was hinting day scan WAY before Ulti was under super heat. I personally don't believe he would plan this as a gambit that far in advance as he would need an actual day scan ability to use it on town. Ergo probably just town with an imo poorly designed jack. And Lea was probably shot because she would have stopped Kirby from just being steamrolled

What I did find odd was that FD did not say this and started to feed into my suspicions to start the day. I decided to look into him and found some choice stuff from Ulti about them having scanned FD as a fourth alignment or whatever

Lea said a very interesting question "why would scum have an alignment scan" and it's like yeah why would they.

FD didn't argue that he wasn't 4th alignment, just that Ulti was trying to set him up

So either Ulti was right about his 4th alignment because they have a scan that would make no sense for scum to have or he's right about his 4th alignment because he has MZero's dayscan ability

Thinking FD is their GF and that's in his ability somewhere. I am however more than willing to lynch Wallz today if people would prefer as his opportunism is way beyond the pale at the moment. He basically jumped back on me immediately when the court of Public opinion allowed after spending the tail end of yesterday saying I might be town

Oh you'd like me to vote you again?

So anyway

##Vote: FD

Tell us the last two Pokemon

That's why we have so many kills

They were for the final boss Mzero