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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:40:20 PM #328 | It's not about Extreme Rules it's about wrestling show booking theory Extreme Rules is boring match placement and structure is interesting --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:36:09 PM #324 | Are you exhausted or memeing --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:34:15 PM #322 | It definitely wasn't 100% exhaustion I just think that crowd if it wasn't exhausted doesn't do it And that it would be less likely for that crowd to crap on a match that wasn't an Iron Man match like 2 minutes in. I do think that that crowd would have had a very short attention span but it would've been just a little longer. Maybe 5 minutes, maybe 10. And if they were into it before getting bored they wouldn't have crapped on it. Once the shitstorm has begun though having a cool moment or two isn't going to bring them out of it. Like I said I do blame the crowd, I just don't even close to primarily blaming it. A better crowd would be comatose instead of derailing the match, which is definitely an improvement, but it's overly apologetic for whoever put that card together being shit at their job to claim it's the crowd's "fault" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:25:25 PM #319 | StealThisSheen posted... But you literally just argued that early falls/near falls may have helped In a match that was NOT A FUCKING 30 MINUTE IRON MAN MATCH BECAUSE IT COULD ACTUALLY END CHRIST --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:24:39 PM #318 | It was 10 minutes of filler followed by 1 minute of intrigue followed by 13 minutes of filler. 1 minute of good stuff doesn't suddenly make the match able to end early --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:20:59 PM #315 | StealThisSheen posted... I mean 90% of the falls happened in the first half of the match so I don't think this was the problem Early near falls don't matter in a 30 minute Iron Man match because the match literally can't end then --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:20:22 PM #314 | StealThisSheen posted... Like, people can't say "I just want good matches" and then go "But this one didn't have a story I liked so I crapped on it in 50 seconds" Well I'd argue an Iron Man match with the feud as it was very unlikely to be a good match. People would boo Jinder and Roman only 50 seconds in too. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:18:33 PM #312 | It's not both ways One is "you have a very small time limit to hook them before exhaustion sets in" and the other is "you cannot hook them no matter what you do because no one cares about Iron Man Matches for the first 80% of the match anymore" A less tired crowd may have had the patience to not die sitting through 24 minutes of filler if it was entertaining enough filler but a 3 hour dead crowd can't. They either die or they entertain themselves. Tease some near falls immediately and don't put a literal 30 minute minimum time on the match and the audience hasn't resigned themselves to 24 minutes of filler and are more receptive to excitement --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:10:43 PM #309 | StealThisSheen posted... But they did decide they weren't going to even remotely give the match a chance before it even started, since the countdown stuff started immediately. They weren't going to give it a chance because they were exhausted at that point and didn't want to see a pointless 30 minute match between 2 good workers. Without the timer they'd probably have given it some time to hook them (as they weren't immediately soured by "ugh why is this 30 minutes I just want this show to end") and it may have worked if the match was paced quickly early, even if it ultimately lasted 30 minutes. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:05:31 PM #306 | StealThisSheen posted... There are reasons the crowd reacted how it did The crux of the disagreement is rock thinks the reasons the crowd acted that way is because they were total dickheads and they were going to be total dickheads regardless. I think they can be dickheads without necessarily acting that way if the card was laid out differently. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 11:02:09 PM #304 | I think if you had an Iron Man match people wanted to see they wouldn't have done that. It was clear they'd turned on the match before even giving it a chance. That crowd has had matches with timers before and not acted like that To open the show they may have wanted to see it After three hours of tepid action no one wants to see much of any wrestling though, much less that match which was guaranteed to waste another half an hour of their life minimum --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:51:51 PM #301 | I think you're misunderstanding my position here I think the crowd was bad but I think the booking was worse and best case scenario you're not getting a rowdy crowd for the ME but it would be a dead one --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:41:15 PM #298 | Crowd reaction is definitely a big deal. I think Hogan Warrior WM6 is a legit 4* match despite containing like 15 minutes of rest holds. But you gotta earn that reaction to some extent no matter where you are. I don't think any audience on Earth gives nonstop hype for this PPV --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:35:24 PM #295 | To clarify what I'm saying there a larger sample isn't always a more accurate one. I have more reason to believe a bunch of people on a GameFAQs message board about a video game popularity contest who happen to post in a wrestling topic on that board represents wrestling fans because it hasn't been primed by WWE encouraging us to come here and to be positive so our post will get on TV Pittsburgh would actually be okay-- that sample is mostly tainted by the fact that only people who are willing to buy a ticket for 2018 WWE are in it moreso than it being near Pittsburgh. Worse tainted or less tainted than Twitter people posting in an Extreme Rules feed I dunno but I'd probably lean less if we're gauging positive reactions vs negative. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:25:37 PM #293 | Not really. People who post on Twitter are a very specific type of fan that have been further skewed by a WWE that actively encourages sycophantic posting on Twitter. I'd sooner trust the audience at Extreme Rules an accurate cross section of the fan base (though that has other obvious problems) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:19:39 PM #291 | I respect thoughts from this topic more than random goobers from Twitter. Have you read fans on Twitter --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:11:07 PM #288 | Cena vs Orton wasn't thoroughly run into the ground, not Iron Man Matches <_< Reactions from when it was announced. A 30 minute iron man match is just a poorly booked 30 minute time limit draw 60 minute ones are cool though not with very little feud build like this one Yeah there's been a couple of feuds over the last few years that I really thought could justify it. This obviously couldn't. This seems to be to more like "OK, these guys are really good, will probably put on a really strong match, and we can now guarantee they're going to go 30 minutes". Yeah this is just a 'we know this feud has no heat but these are two good hands and we're gonna let them go 30, please watch people who like good matches' which is honestly probably the best way to book Ziggler in 2018 I mean I guess this isn't exactly proclaiming it death but only Jakyl had a remotely positive reaction to it overall, despite containing guys that will presumably wrestle a good match. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 10:00:22 PM #284 | TheRock1525 posted... Lopen posted...Also before you claim it's an excuse many people were saying that match was going to be death immediately as it was announced. Many people in this topic, including myself. Not sure where you were. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:59:26 PM #283 | Orton vs Cena when they had an Iron Man match wasn't quite thoroughly run into the ground yet IIRC. Also it had actual stakes. But I mean watch the actual matches and the audience will be dead for any of those matches for the first half. The audience never rioted because they were never after 3 hours of trash but they've always been slower starters than you'd expect cause the audience is trained for a certain type of match that Iron Man matches work directly counter to --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:52:56 PM #280 | Also before you claim it's an excuse many people were saying that match was going to be death immediately as it was announced. These were probably the same people who had a clue that Almas was not a main roster draw but you know --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:48:06 PM #278 | Audiences have acted like Jackasses for matches they didn't want to see many many times. They haven't for Iron Man matches because they're generally accompanied by good builds If you think knowing the match is 30 minutes doesn't matter though you pretty much haven't paid attention to any WWE matches in the 21st century. The audience doesn't care about matches until they think a finish is possible. Guess what's true about a 30 minute Iron Man matches for the first 25 minutes... --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:43:34 PM #276 | I feel the same way honestly and almost didn't put that. But it was too good not to post Put it down to 30 minutes if you must you get the point --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:35:25 PM #274 | And here's an extreme example if you can't piece together why that would matter. Say there is a match announced... I dunno, pick two random guys you don't care a bit about and put them in a match. I'll just pick two guys I think most people don't care about for the sake of a most ridiculous example: Roman Reigns vs Jinder Mahal Okay, so you don't really care about watching these two have a match, but you'll probably begrudgingly accept it. Now let's change the match. Roman Reigns vs Jinder Mahal (90 minute iron man match) How hyped are you at the beginning of the 90 minutes to devote the next hour and a half of your life to watching two guys you don't really care about watching wrestle have a match. Now consider your reaction if you'd already been watching an underwhelming wrestling show for 3 and a half hours beforehand. If it was just announced as a singles match, you'd probably just watch it, right? But I imagine your reaction to that match listing I gave after 3 hours and 30 minutes of wrestling is to just go home. Obviously the reaction to Dolph vs Rollins isn't going to be as bad, but to many people watching them wrestle isn't necessarily much more exciting than Jinder vs Roman, given the lack of build. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:16:44 PM #273 | TheRock1525 posted... Yet the match before they had no problems putting together "A-J Sty-les/Rusev Day" dueling chants despite supposedly being burnt-out from the PPV not being any good and Styles/Rusev being a feud as underwhelming as Rollins/Ziggler. It was a match they did not care about that was guaranteed BEFOREHAND to go 30 minutes why is this not getting through to you as a difference that matters <_< --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Best of the Trope Day 47: Heterosexual Life Partners |
| Lopen 07/18/18 9:12:37 PM #10 | Shawn and Gus (Psych) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 11: Knights and Demons |
| Lopen 07/18/18 8:31:14 PM #358 | It's actually X-G if you place any value on your time. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 8:26:06 PM #265 | Things to blame in order for the crowd flipping out on that match: 1. 30m Iron Man match with no heat is taking place 2. No heat match in the main event 3. 4 hour PPV 4. PPV was bad up till that point 5. Pittsburgh audience 2-3 (and 4 in a way I suppose) were unable to be avoided but I do think making less of these things line up all at once, even if you're only removing one of the factors (4 also gets mitigated if the Iron Man match is earlier since it is in theory a good match), would help --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 11 |
| Lopen 07/18/18 8:14:10 PM #9 | The Hurricane Mighty Molly --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 8:01:50 PM #257 | I feel like despite stressing that knowing ahead of time it would be 30 minutes is the whole reason it being heatless (and at the end of the card) matters so much it has somehow gone completely over rock's head that that is what I was stressing <_< --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:45:08 PM #254 | The fundamental issue is an Iron Man Match with no heat is exponentially worse than a normal match without any. It literally feels like your time is guaranteed to be wasted going in. And at the end of a 4 hour show? I think most crowds are acting up there, not just Pittsburgh --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:41:56 PM #251 | Heatless feud that 1. Isn't guaranteed to go 30 minutes 2. Has some built in heat in that Rusev winning the WWE Title is at least kinda exciting, whereas no one cares a lick who actually is IC Champion I must stress how much it being a match that is guaranteed to go 30 minutes hurts it when it has no heat though. Hurts it way more than if it was a singles match that just happened to go 30 minutes --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:31:28 PM #248 | Jakyl25 posted... Really you shouldnt book it as that stipulation at all, but at least that part isnt Hunters fault Also this is the bigger problem than the card positioning obviously but if you must have a no heat Iron Man match that's how it must be placed I think --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:30:19 PM #247 | AJ vs Rusev is the obvious main event choice on the card I feel yeah. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:13:03 PM #244 | Here's the theory behind where to place it though, since you seem to think that blaming the crowd here is fair - You don't want it at a time where the crowd is dead just wants to go home, because they now know they have to wait at minimum 30 minutes for this match they hardly care about to end and aren't going to give it anything resembling a chance - You do want it at a time the crowd needs a small boost because it probably will be an exciting match in spite of it having no heat and will get them back into the show I think any time before after 2 hours have elapsed is a safe place to put it. Any time after that you're asking for trouble. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 7:03:45 PM #243 | Opener is actually where I was thinking to put it but honestly anywhere before Hour 3 would be fine. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:58:58 PM #239 | Putting a 30m Iron Man Match with no heat at the of a 4 hour card is terrible booking regardless of crowd so yeah I can blame Trips --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:47:13 PM #72 | The irony is I would've saved Kuja there if I had another save. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:46:05 PM #68 | I wasn't going to outbid that but I did enjoy running the price up --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:43:34 PM #64 | 4 NR Delita + 4 Day 15 Saves --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:41:54 PM #61 | 4 NR Delita --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:41:10 PM #59 | NR Delita --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:40:32 PM #56 | Wiegraf --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 6:39:49 PM #52 | Delita --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 13 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 5:10:25 PM #20 | Squall Barret --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 40: New 6* abilities are going to Torment you |
| Lopen 07/18/18 5:07:39 PM #149 | The good news my abysmal earth party can beat Ixion The bad news...  ... uhh... actually that's way closer to 30s than I was expecting. This one should actually be farmable. Ixion must be a jobber. Or I've underestimated Guy and Rydia as viable Earth DPS. Probably a bit of both. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time |
| Lopen 07/18/18 3:22:15 PM #234 | You can easily determine which Sin Cara is which by looking at the mark on their boots anyway --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 40: New 6* abilities are going to Torment you |
| Lopen 07/18/18 3:20:22 PM #148 | The good news my abysmal wind party can beat Midgarsomr The bad news...  Yeah I won't be farming this for a while. Hopefully I can squeak by Ixion once and unlock Dark/Holy. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 11: Knights and Demons |
| Lopen 07/18/18 2:29:39 PM #343 | Jack is strong but you have to use Jack which is a definite negative The oni is strong too but again you gotta use the oni --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters Special Edition: Day 12 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 07/18/18 1:46:27 PM #32 | Delita Cloud --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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