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That's mostly what I can say about it. Might be the most average game I've played in a while but I'm still playing and having fun so I guess it's doing something right? Has a bunch of flaws but I like shooting things while flying a robot.

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Side note to tran - I think you should play CrossCode if you haven't. Would definitely be up your alley,

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Anyway, I think I'm getting away from the original point I was trying to make, is that the issue with voice acting in modern JRPGs isn't so much the VA itself but the writing that goes along with it. I don't think the VA work for JRPGs or other 'anime' games is on average not any better or worse than other genres - some of its bad, some of its good. But the material those VAs have to work with can be...questionable. A lot of JRPG (and any game that comes out of Japan, honestly) writing still tends to be extremely exaggerated, and while fun in certain doses, it often just doesn't work when someone has to voice the line and try to be taken seriously. They've gotten better about it over the years but every time I buy a JRPG I still feel like I'm rolling the dice on whether or not I'll be embarrassed by a lot of what I'll be listening to.

I have faith in the FF7 Remake but there's no way it doesn't have some degree of weirdness in it. That's just how Japan does things.

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Also, do the Nier games count as JRPGs, because the voice acting in both of them was pretty stellar

transience posted...

I think ff7 remake is the outlier though, not the rule. that game is being treated with the utmost of care. you won't find a modern jrpg that will get the same kind of attention.

You say that, but they've kept all the potential weird/corny lines out of the trailers


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linid0t posted...

So does Japanese VA not save the tidus laughing scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDocsZkWK0

You tell me lmao

(also the laughing scene is a good scene and is maybe the most misrepresented scene in any video game ever)

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My take: the worst of the Bernie Sanders supporters are more overbearing to deal with the worst of the supporters of say, Warren or Biden. This is partially because Sanders is often screwed over by the media and this can get aggravating for them, but it's still my perception.

This is partially fueled by knowing several Bernie Bros in real life who switched to Trump.

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Japanese voice acting can be pretty trash (especially the way they portray a lot of female characters), it's just more difficult to tell unless you're a native speaker.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

I've wondered sometimes if voice acting is the reason I'm not as into a lot of modern RPGs.

Well, most of those games have the option to turn off VA, so you might want to give that a try sometime.

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transience posted...

just removed voice acting altogether.

This is why I changed my mind on wanting an FF9 remake when I heard Zidane speaking for the first time. FF9 has a lot of goofy lines that I love but don't ever want to be heard.

I also think this is the secret litmus test for what makes a modern JRPG work - in the age of voice acting, can you write dialogue that isn't embarrassing to hear out loud? This achievement isn't even consistent within specific JRPG series - consider Xenoblade 1 vs. Xenoblade 2, or Tales of Berseria vs. Tales of Graces.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I've never really minded FFX's voice work, but a game has to have truly horrendous voice acting for it to negatively impact my opinion of it. I can tolerate a lot on that front...!

Thanks for giving me an excuse to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bangt7d9vGA

It even has some of your favorite characters in it!

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I think all things considered, FFX has aged mostly well. Basically no game released in the early 2000s with a cinematic-and-full-cutscenes-with-voice-acting experience holds up by today's standards (exceptions being MGS2 and Silent Hill 2), but FFX still manages to keep its emotional core despite the jank.

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The "Rey is nobody" thing from TLJ is the one part of that movie I completely and without reservation thought was good writing and should have been kept. So, of course...

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RPG battle speed matters a lot to me at this point in my life. I'm glad I held out for Dragon Quest 11 Switch because I can't imagine playing that game at the normal speed settings.

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Being able to turn off random battles was the best part of FF8, so I'm all for more games having that option at least.

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I used to want an FF9 remake (and it's still tempting after seeing how good the FF7 remake is shaping up to be), but hearing Zidane's voiced lines in Dissidia made me rethink that. I don't think the game needs modernizations so much as updates. Which the Steam port does a good job at, especially with stuff like this:

https://sites.google.com/view/moguri-mod/home

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Devil Survivor 2 is terrible, and I really liked 1.

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Persona 5 needed to change up its music every now and then. For an OST with supposedly 80+ songs, I swear I heard maybe 10 of them throughtout the entire game.

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If we're going that route, I'll say that The House in Fata Morgana would be the only thing here where I'd be actively annoyed if it didn't make the cut

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I actually just played one of the games on that list in between sending my list and today, and I would have voted for it. Oops.

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I could write a lot about Persona 5, but quick summary is that it didn't work for me. Outside of highly improved aesthetics, I think it was a step back in literally every other way.

Dragon Quest 3 is really good.

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Forky

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Paratroopa1 posted...

The thing that bugs me about there being a "Rey Palpatine theory" two years ago is that it's really more of a "guess" than it is a "theory."

Yeah, I don't buy that Rey was 100% supposed to be a Palpatine from the start. Or that they even know WHAT she was going to be.

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The failings of the ST are a result of the incompetence of basically every higher-up involved in them. No point in reducing the situation to one person.

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The moral degradation of the US isn't the sole cause, but it contributed, just like Brexit did. All these trends across different countries are feeding into each other.

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FF8's localization seemed amazing after playing FFT.

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FF8's romance is weird but it's the least weird part of that game's narrative. The actual plot is a frankenstein mess. An entertaining one, but still.

EDIT: Oh oops was replying the end of the last page discussion. Point still stands!

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Xenoblade 1 is still Game of the Ever. Can't wait for the remake.

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Frustration with the gacha is also all they talked about in regards to the game! That and the bad plot. I don't think I heard a single positive thing about the game from him and he put around 40 hours into it. He was the same way with Xenoblade X though, so maybe the guy just can't stop playing JRPGs even if he doesn't like them.

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I have a few friend who played Xenoblade 2. All he did was complain about it, then go back to playing it. Gacha is scary.

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I played the PC version of Bloodstained and enjoyed it a lot. The only SotN-like game I consider to be on par with...well, SotN. Dawn of Sorrow is pretty cool though.

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MichelBollinger posted...

ignoring side content that was made based off of them

I think this is the main reason people have comparatively warmed up to the Prequels over time. A lot of good side content based off of it has come out over time. It's the best time period in Star Wars to set a game, or a book, or a TV show or whatever. The Clone Wars animated series is still the best thing the franchise has ever done.

It's enough to make someone forget that the actual movies are dogshit.

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MichelBollinger posted...

I mean god, Harrison Ford in that movie has just absolutely given up on giving a shit.

Harrison Ford more or less gave up on the role after Episode 4. He's said as much. Anyone who read the interviews he gave on Star Wars wouldn't have considered it a spoiler that Han got killed off in Episode 7! He'd been trying to get them to do that for decades!

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As someone who doesn't really like Star Wars, I think most of the movies are kind of bad (but fun) and that society as a whole is crazy for elevating the series to the level it's on. The throne room scenes in RotJ are great - rest of the movie ranges from mediocre to questionable. Still probably the third-best movie in the series!

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Dragon Warrior 1+2 on the GBC was great back in the day.

Hollow Knight could have been SO good but honestly exploring the map for extras kinda sucked at times. It took too long to get around.

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Majora's Mask is what you get when a game's dev team, halve it, tell them they have a year to make a sequel (while re-using assets), then basically let them do whatever they want.

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I think JFA is straight up a bad game until 2-4, which is easily the high point of the entire series. Weird game.

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1. Desert Golf

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Jakyl25 posted...

And yet

https://news.gallup.com/poll/269711/republican-satisfaction-healthcare-costs-surges.aspx

This is the most interesting 'partisan divide' graph I've ever seen. That's a ton of Republicans that have been gaslighted into being okay with being put into lifelong debt over a health scare.

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Continuing from the last topic: the "guy I'd like to have a beer with" thing being a voter motivation is not a meme, lol

Side note: If Trump is reelected, I put his odds at running for 3rd term at 40%.

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Demon's Souls is an excellent game, probably my third favorite in the series, and it's unfortunate that it's confined to PS3 exclusive hell. At least PS4 games will work on PS5, so Bloodborne continues to have a shelf life.

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In Demon's Souls, if you were in 'hollowed' form you had half your max health. You only became Human again after beating a boss. You 'hollowed' again immediately after your first death. There's a ring to negate this to 75% of your max health. It's easily missable and there's only two accessory slots for rings.

I love that game.

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xp1337 posted...

I didn't want to derail the topic while you were playing but I started Dark Souls II yesterday and lmao at some of these mechanics. Death no longer just turns you hollow, it inflicts a debuff that drops your max HP. And it stacks with consecutive deaths! I was running around at like half my true max HP at one point!

Guess you never played Demon's Souls, eh

If it really bugs you, look up the Ring of Binding

I replayed Dark Souls 2 recently, and my main takeaway from it is that its best parts are as good as the best of Dark Souls 1 but that it's REALLY long and has a lot of average parts in the middle.

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Youtube has a bunch of video dedicated to explaining Dark Soul's lore. Something to check out if you're interested!

Dark Souls and Bloodborne are the GOAT From Software games, although the others are also very good.

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Kenri posted...

So Bed of Chaos is the worst boss in the series, right?

Fixed that for you.


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Considering how bad Berseria's environment designs/graphics were, I'm okay with them taking their time to make a game outside of 2004.

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foolm0r0n posted...

A vacation day is a contract that gives you 8 hours of salary for free, with some restrictions.

Bold to assume that company is offering paid vacation days instead of "this is how many times you can not show up before we start docking your pay" days

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List sent.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red Sox is literally parodying the Republican party and I don't know how anyone could have missed this fact for years. He is the Stephen Colbert of our time.

Nobody missed it. red sox has said multiple times that he's playing devil's advocate to the topic for fun. People still reply to him.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont mind all the bad and mocking posts about Trump per se, but they can be extremely frustrating when a discussion is started or trying to be started and it gets totally ended by consecutive Look how dumb Trump is posts.

I would take this notion more seriously if people weren't still humoring Corrin/red sox/ect. Half the discussions in this topic are worthless


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